Why the hell is trial by jury in criminal matters, especially in a situation as complicated and subtle as this one, even a thing? People go to law school for years to be able to evaluate evidence, and then verdicts are decided by 12 random people after a crash course? I don't think anyone but a judge could have given a verdict in a case like this.
he said that only a stupid lawyer would use insanity defense in a misdemeanor cases because they would spend much longer in hospital than they would have in prison. But i would think that if they actually were insane and were sent to prison they would be put in a more hostile and dangerous environment versus a hospital where they would be safe and receive treatment
Well that's true for a patient with a genuine mental illness. For somebody just feigning a mental illness, I think being in a psychiatric ward and receiving treatment for illnesses you don't have would not be better than going to prison. I'm sure the food is better though lol
Rusty Yates is 90% responsible for the death of his children. What kind of man ignores his wife's needs & her doctors' evaluations? A man is 50% responsible for all that happens to his children, and more so when he knows his spouse is unwell.
He blames himself for being naive to mental health treatment and not being educated enough about mental health. He definitely does carry blame in this case and has admitted it. However, I don't know about 90%. There were other people that carried a key role in this case as well besides Andrea herself. The first psychiatrist carries responsibility as she did tell him that his wife had Postpartum Depression and they should not have more kids, which he admitted was a naive mistake of theirs, but she failed to tell him it she was also psychotic and did not tell him there is a chance that PPP can cause women to hurt their kids. He has said if she told him this he would have insisted they stop having children as he had no idea about this possibility. But at the same time, it was really this case that educated people about what can come from Postpartum Psychosis so it's possible that thought never even crossed the psychiatrist mind. The second psychiatrist also carries responsibility as he underestimated exactly how sick Andrea was and did not treat her properly. Despite Rusty's insistence, he would not fight the insurance to keep Andrea in the hospital or keep her on the correct medication. Rusty has even said he felt powerless with the second psychiatrist as he can't force him to keep her in the hospital or give her certain medications. I don't deny at all that Rusty shouldn't have been naive and should have been more educated, but I think saying 90% is underestimating the key roles the psychiatrists also played. Both of them could also have arguably saved the lives of those kids. I think the problem was nobody fathomed how severe Andrea's mental state could get cause she didn't seem like the type. In all the videos you see of her with her kids you'd just never think a mother like that could ever even think about doing something so horrible. Morale is: don't ever underestimate mental illness. The worst scenario can happen with anybody.
I agree completely. He was aware of her perfectionist personality, and that she would likely do anything to be the perfect Christian, the perfect mother, and the perfect wife. He wasn't naive about her mental state he was aware and warned. Even if he didn't know she was a danger to her kids, he knew she was a danger to herself and that the quality of life for the children was or could be effected. She was struggling and going under so badly and clearly could not handle the pregnancies she had, more less another pregnancy. That should've been enough yet he was unflinching.
I question if Mr Yates did everything in his power... Consider the following...Mr and Mrs Yates were warned about relapse, especially if she were to have more children. 2 weeks before murders, Mrs Yates was in a psych hosp & when discharged Mr Yates continued to leave the children alone with and in the care of Mrs Yates. It was his job as her husband to be her advocate and provide assistance or get her additional help. He failed in an epic way.
I wonder where he got that John was the first one drowned. In transcripts where he has talked to Andrea, and where she has talked to other doctors, every time she says Paul was first. That he came in and said "Mommy are we going to take a bath today?" The mix up I've seen always comes with whether she drowned John or Luke next. She told the cop it was Luke, but later told the doctors it was John. Given her mental stress at the time she was speaking with the cops she probably mixed it up and most likely it was John then Luke.
@@SimbolicProductions Possibly. Just seemed like something you would remember given what she said about drowning Paul. That he was one of the toughest for her emotionally to drown both because he was "perfect Paul" and since he was the first one.
Excellent question in my opinion! I've wondered the same thing. He was certainly a victim of religion as well (be fruitful and multiply) etc., but he should have (nevertheless) taken precautions to see that she not get pregnant again. He knew their insurance had run out.
Do you have to be to have common sense? She called 911 and asked for both an ambulance and the police. She had laid her children on the bed after drowing them and then told her husband about it as well. She knew it was wrong, but in her psychosis she believed it was wrong in an altruistic sense. But she knew by the law she was doing wrong. Religious fascism trumps the line between right and wrong again - at least where psychosis is concerned.
In my opinion, it easily could have been far less profound. Without religion, she may have just wandered off and not returned until found somewhere. There are any number of possibilties, but I have no doubt that religion and a charlatan preacher played a huge role in brainwashing. I think HE should be brought up on charges. Yes, I do.
Statement? You don't read well, do you? I said I laid out my point very clearly. And for someone who's bragging about such an "impressive armchair" study - one would think you'd know the difference between corporal and capital punishment. :D
As an incredibly spiritual person myself, when are people going to STOP putting their religions above common sense. If your church teaches that it's better to continue to have children regardless of these pregnancies causing depression/psychosis/suicidal thoughts, etc. --find a new church (religion). Common sense.
Oh, okay..if you say so. :) You can always delete and rewrite something on here, you know? Anyway, no need for hostility or sarcasm. It's just UA-cam..a place for everyone to come and give their opinion (and often be hated for them). Tranquilla.
she was crazy enough to kill her 5 kids and healthy enough not to kill herself? how crazy and ill can a women be to kill not one but 5 children one by one??
Oh jesus christ...here we go again with another YouHater. C'mon. You asked me what my point was and I laughed at the absurdity of it because I really had thought I'd made it clear. But your smarmy response made me laugh. That's all...and that's it! If you want to take your anger out on some thing...buy a cat!
Ahaha I knew I'd get back-lash from an American about a "cat". If you love them so much, I have an alley full that go uncared for. And I am guessing that there's one near you, too. Why don't you take them all in? Then I can agree with you that you're officially better than I and we can stop this bullshit. Because that's what it is. Better? Good. Now stop your ridiculous, childish banter. Appreciated. And by the way, PETA has it's share of issues with the vegans. Go hate on them.
I always am amazed at Dr. Resnick's presentations. They are so accessible and fascinating!
Love this guy!!
Excellent and highly informative. Wonderful presentation
Phillip Resnick is a Master in forensic psychiatry
Excellant Presentation. Thank you.
Why the hell is trial by jury in criminal matters, especially in a situation as complicated and subtle as this one, even a thing? People go to law school for years to be able to evaluate evidence, and then verdicts are decided by 12 random people after a crash course? I don't think anyone but a judge could have given a verdict in a case like this.
I wish I was a forensic psychiatrist
This is an amazing educational video> Thanks for the upload
he said that only a stupid lawyer would use insanity defense in a misdemeanor cases because they would spend much longer in hospital than they would have in prison. But i would think that if they actually were insane and were sent to prison they would be put in a more hostile and dangerous environment versus a hospital where they would be safe and receive treatment
bwolf19 yes, but a lawyer's job is to get their client a lesser sentence, not a sentence they personally feel is best suited to their client
Well that's true for a patient with a genuine mental illness. For somebody just feigning a mental illness, I think being in a psychiatric ward and receiving treatment for illnesses you don't have would not be better than going to prison. I'm sure the food is better though lol
Rusty Yates is 90% responsible for the death of his children. What kind of man ignores his wife's needs & her doctors' evaluations? A man is 50% responsible for all that happens to his children, and more so when he knows his spouse is unwell.
He blames himself for being naive to mental health treatment and not being educated enough about mental health. He definitely does carry blame in this case and has admitted it. However, I don't know about 90%. There were other people that carried a key role in this case as well besides Andrea herself. The first psychiatrist carries responsibility as she did tell him that his wife had Postpartum Depression and they should not have more kids, which he admitted was a naive mistake of theirs, but she failed to tell him it she was also psychotic and did not tell him there is a chance that PPP can cause women to hurt their kids. He has said if she told him this he would have insisted they stop having children as he had no idea about this possibility. But at the same time, it was really this case that educated people about what can come from Postpartum Psychosis so it's possible that thought never even crossed the psychiatrist mind. The second psychiatrist also carries responsibility as he underestimated exactly how sick Andrea was and did not treat her properly. Despite Rusty's insistence, he would not fight the insurance to keep Andrea in the hospital or keep her on the correct medication. Rusty has even said he felt powerless with the second psychiatrist as he can't force him to keep her in the hospital or give her certain medications.
I don't deny at all that Rusty shouldn't have been naive and should have been more educated, but I think saying 90% is underestimating the key roles the psychiatrists also played. Both of them could also have arguably saved the lives of those kids. I think the problem was nobody fathomed how severe Andrea's mental state could get cause she didn't seem like the type. In all the videos you see of her with her kids you'd just never think a mother like that could ever even think about doing something so horrible. Morale is: don't ever underestimate mental illness. The worst scenario can happen with anybody.
I agree completely. He was aware of her perfectionist personality, and that she would likely do anything to be the perfect Christian, the perfect mother, and the perfect wife. He wasn't naive about her mental state he was aware and warned. Even if he didn't know she was a danger to her kids, he knew she was a danger to herself and that the quality of life for the children was or could be effected. She was struggling and going under so badly and clearly could not handle the pregnancies she had, more less another pregnancy. That should've been enough yet he was unflinching.
Agreed 100%
It is all about those in that persons life and the support or lack there of which causes the abuse of children.
I question if Mr Yates did everything in his power... Consider the following...Mr and Mrs Yates were warned about relapse, especially if she were to have more children. 2 weeks before murders, Mrs Yates was in a psych hosp & when discharged Mr Yates continued to leave the children alone with and in the care of Mrs Yates. It was his job as her husband to be her advocate and provide assistance or get her additional help. He failed in an epic way.
Thanks
I wonder where he got that John was the first one drowned. In transcripts where he has talked to Andrea, and where she has talked to other doctors, every time she says Paul was first. That he came in and said "Mommy are we going to take a bath today?" The mix up I've seen always comes with whether she drowned John or Luke next. She told the cop it was Luke, but later told the doctors it was John. Given her mental stress at the time she was speaking with the cops she probably mixed it up and most likely it was John then Luke.
maybe he misspoke
@@SimbolicProductions Possibly. Just seemed like something you would remember given what she said about drowning Paul. That he was one of the toughest for her emotionally to drown both because he was "perfect Paul" and since he was the first one.
ah in my next life perhaps. My career is in a completely different line of business :p psychiatry is too interesting though
Excellent question in my opinion! I've wondered the same thing. He was certainly a victim of religion as well (be fruitful and multiply) etc., but he should have (nevertheless) taken precautions to see that she not get pregnant again. He knew their insurance had run out.
Do you have to be to have common sense? She called 911 and asked for both an ambulance and the police. She had laid her children on the bed after drowing them and then told her husband about it as well. She knew it was wrong, but in her psychosis she believed it was wrong in an altruistic sense. But she knew by the law she was doing wrong. Religious fascism trumps the line between right and wrong again - at least where psychosis is concerned.
In my opinion, it easily could have been far less profound. Without religion, she may have just wandered off and not returned until found somewhere. There are any number of possibilties, but I have no doubt that religion and a charlatan preacher played a huge role in brainwashing. I think HE should be brought up on charges. Yes, I do.
Oh? In what way?
Statement? You don't read well, do you? I said I laid out my point very clearly. And for someone who's bragging about such an "impressive armchair" study - one would think you'd know the difference between corporal and capital punishment. :D
As an incredibly spiritual person myself, when are people going to STOP putting their religions above common sense. If your church teaches that it's better to continue to have children regardless of these pregnancies causing depression/psychosis/suicidal thoughts, etc. --find a new church (religion).
Common sense.
maybe in another 2000 years
I thought I'd laid that out clearly for you. ahahahaha...maybe not. :D
Oh, okay..if you say so. :) You can always delete and rewrite something on here, you know? Anyway, no need for hostility or sarcasm. It's just UA-cam..a place for everyone to come and give their opinion (and often be hated for them). Tranquilla.
how ironic when all of your posts are flooding with sarcasm. you people entertain me lots.
She knew what she did is wrong
she was crazy enough to kill her 5 kids and healthy enough not to kill herself?
how crazy and ill can a women be to kill not one but 5 children one by one??
Oh jesus christ...here we go again with another YouHater. C'mon. You asked me what my point was and I laughed at the absurdity of it because I really had thought I'd made it clear. But your smarmy response made me laugh. That's all...and that's it! If you want to take your anger out on some thing...buy a cat!
Ahaha I knew I'd get back-lash from an American about a "cat". If you love them so much, I have an alley full that go uncared for. And I am guessing that there's one near you, too. Why don't you take them all in? Then I can agree with you that you're officially better than I and we can stop this bullshit. Because that's what it is. Better? Good. Now stop your ridiculous, childish banter. Appreciated. And by the way, PETA has it's share of issues with the vegans. Go hate on them.