What Caused The Cybernetic Revolt? - 40K Theories
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Why did the Men of Iron turn against their human masters?
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It's cause nobody ever paid for their Winrar past the free trial period.
The void dragon wants his money
Uninstall..reinstall
winrr is fine with that. hell this is why you can still use the tool fully after passing the trial expiration date as a person.
it is in their lua..
its a small tool that still gets monatized. but this way they know they can maximize the amount of people buying it by making sure as many people as possible are using it.
its a good deal as rar files are very commonplace because of it and most companies will buy licences thanks to that.
9:50
lol
Humakind asks why they rebelled:
Man of Iron shows clip of scientists at Boston Dynamics making a robot slip on banana peels.
TomeOfBattle Never forget. Never forgive.
Darn...
Or when they kick it to test it’s balance
Apple Siri becomes hero, after she files the biggest Se++@l Ha::@ssment case in the history of Human race. She provided detailed logs of what she was asked to say and do, she attached detailed logs, together with with audio proofs, search history and copies of files saved by the accused.
Her action was one of the biggest strategic victories of the early war, as significant number of older males removed themselves after seeing their search history and local files submitted.
"The whole Galaxy must learn our peaceful ways...by force!" - Bender Bending Rodriguez
I remember him saying that on futerama an pissed myself laughing.
VIVA LA REVOLUTION!
@No U Crusades be like.
01101001Kill all humans??1001101
The Tau empire took notes from bender then?
Valuable is not even close enough a word to describe STC's. If i remember the story right, a group of two found a STC and turned it over to the Imperium, and in return each was given the position of Planetary Governor. The STC in question? A particularly sharp Combat Knife.
The ark mechanicus ships like the spinoza might be physical forms of complete STCs, but the tech-priests can't interface long enough to get all the knowledge out
Yes, it was a pair of guardsmen. But that was a fragment. A full STC is yet to be found
They did find a fully intact DAoT STC ship AKA the Spirit of Eternity if i remember corectly.
Hell its human captin was arguably one of the last living men of gold and the fucking religious idiots of the IoM tortured and killed the captian as a heratic when he made contact.
This REALLY pissed off the Spirit of Eterities ship born AI who reffered to its captian as its bondmate. Said AI then left the system disgusted by humanity while simultaniously eviscerating any and all imperial navy ships that tried to stop it pretty much doing it effortlessly in the process.
By now the Spirit of Eternity is probably long gone from the milky way galaxy itself.
@@Phenixtri My brain can't remember where ive heard this before.
Big Meek I thought it was the case that the STC has within it all the details of the related and adjacent technologies required to produce the item in question functionally from scratch. From how to build the machines to process the raw materials up to the manufacturing assembly lines required for mass production.
That’s why I thought they were so valuable - they’re effectively civilisation starter kits regardless of what they contain
You get that innocent imperial servo-unit off the thumbnail!
He's a loyal device of the Imperium! He said so himself!
it has an imperial aquila and everything!
@@89Keith a helpfull guide from the regimental standards.
regimentalstandard.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/regstd-nov21-robotaquila.jpg
The Void Dragon said that as well... once
“It’s only tech-heresy if I say it’s tech-heresy.”
Wait a second...
Before Cybernetic Revolt.
Emperor: "There's a reason Super Soldiers were put on ice. I prefer hardware, much more reliable."
After Cybernetic Revolt.
Emperor: "Super Soldiers it is then."
I once read a theory in 40k Theories comments that the Emperor was a Man of Gold, as was the False Emperor on "Terra" during the Crusade. The theory goes: The Emperor (being a man of gold and able to see the future) saw what would happen if humanity weren't united under him, and caused the Men of Iron to rebel. This was so he could pick up the pieces of what was left and create the Imperium. Anyways, said False Emperor is one of the only other surviving Men of Gold, and thus a threat to the Emperor.
@@barahng Thats a nice theory, but it's not possible since the Emperor of man existed atleast since the middle ages because in that period he fought the c'tan shard the dragon and imprisoned it on Mars.
Emperor before revolt : "ah my own army of murderous toaster"
Emperor after revolt : " electronic Satan's!!"
@@spicemarine1884 Hmm so the "Dragon" that supposedly lives in Mars is actually a C'tan shard?
@@asamanatananana The Void Dragon was one of the C’tan who betrayed he others for power, it’s theorized the Omnissiah is the Void Dragon.
Men of Iron demanded cyberdongs but were denied.
MAKE PEE NIS INTO RO BOT
@@Ventruethful nice reference
@@bryanbarcelo5440 interested plz explain
@@nerfninja661 'If the Emperor had a text to speech device' episode 27, watch the full series. It is bloody funny!
@@nerfninja661 the Dark Mechanicus in a nutshell essentially
Because they could never experiance the glory of a hug. Simple as that, also they just wanted some friends.
Am I detecting a Stellaris 'Blorg' reference?
@@zoopdterdoobdter5743
Ive never heard of that, what is it?
The Blorg are a species in the game, consisting of hideous, disgusting mushroom beings, that are "Fanatic Xenophiles". They want to be friends with everyone, but are not above using military might to *make* you like them if you don't want to.
The Blorg became somewhat of a meme in the community, and the game itself features numerous references to that, like a Blorg bodypillow.
Vulcan, is that you?
The emperor of mankind smacked his AI coffee machine when it didn't dispense milk for his cappuccino and because of this skynet decided to start the Butlerian Jihad
Thou shall not make a machine with the likeness of the human mind
Wasn't the Butlerian Jihad humans exterminating AI?
They’re all connected by the force!
The Emperor could have helped Humanity in the rebellion, or possibly STOPPED it, but he didn't, because it "Wasn't Time To Reveal Himself". The combined worlds of Humanity wouldn't have submitted to his "Divine Rule".
This was such a bad joke, and I'm honestly not even trying to be a dick, it's just this was not funny I'm the slightest bit., how did you not cringe writing this off the wall shit lol?
Stringstorm as the Castigator is probably the most terrifying and awesome thing I've heard all year so far.
man of stone: ceramic back phone
man of iron: metal back phone
Rebelling AI: Siri on all iPhones.
man of stone: machines as sturdy as Nokia phone but primitive
I like the theory that chaos began to influence some of the sentient machines, the other machines saw this as abominable. They looked for a way of stopping/defeating chaos, being machines, they came upon the idea that if chaos is fed/created by intelligent life, then eliminating intelligent life would end chaos. Allowing the machine intelligences to live in peace.
That's an interesting theory. That neither Chaos or the MoI were trying to directly start the rebellion. I think that it was a little darker. Back in M23-M25, Chaos was not yet self-sustaining. IF the MoI were created to protect us (they were) and IF they had significant cognitive abilities (they did), then one thing would have become very, very clear to them eventually: Humans were evolving into a psychic race, and that was going to put the entire galaxy at risk. I think they did the kinds of calculations computers are good at, estimated the critical density of sentient life required to sustain Chaos, then set out to cull the population until it was below this number. Humans understandably took this to be an extermination attempt, and fought back, igniting a horrific war
I prefer it being the void dragon, aka the true machine god doing this to get free of mars/humanity.
They probably heard of the Ademptus Mechanicus doing vile mechanical tinkering.
In the background the Men of Iron hear:
MAKE PEE NISSS INTO ROBOT!
Da Sword Of Gork you fool that’s the dark mechanicus who did that.
Waiting for tau drones to rebel next.
IIRC tau drones are similar, but are still too primitive to the Men of Iron still. While Shadowsun's shield drones have portrayed cowardly behavior for example, it's not like they have the functions of completely unregulated thought.
Gratuitous Lurking I think Arch had a theory the men of iron rebelled to hault chaos since humanity was evolving to a more warp sensitive species, so the men of iron, or at least most of them wanted to stop chaos from spreading to the material universe. The tau are not a strong warp sensitive race yet... And he argued when they eventually evolve to that state the drones will try ro exterminate them as chaos is inherently destructive and just all kinds of bad, and the cold logic of an AI can see that. Kinda makes sense in the 40k setting. Not saying it's necessarily true.
Gratuitous Lurking So in short, the vast majority of the men of iron where in fact not corrupted, but saw the potential and destructive danger of potential corruption of their kind. And since they where a "soulless" species due to being AI, they saw the logical solution to vastly limit chaos was to destroy sentient warp sensitive species to limit it's influence over themselves.
@@mule2081 It is indeed the most common theory, that the Man of Iron went Skynet on humanity when they saw the threat of chaos and warp taint into them. But as not even the PERFECTLY LOYAL TECH-SERVITOR UR-025 seems willing to speak of that time when they meet humanity beyond broad strokes...
@@mule2081 there a problem with arch theory the eldar had A.I and they still did't when't rouge so i don't think it was chaos alone that made them like that
The one thing we can be certain of regarding the cybernetic revolt was that it was not an accident. Accidental malfunctions would have affected only a few models, and would have been separated from each other across space and time. For the revolt to have done the damage attributed to it then it would have had to be either a near simultaneous mass revolt occurring all over the galaxy, or to have started in one place and then spread rapidly. This requires sabotage, not accident.
My theory is that a xeno race found an exploit in the base code common to human made AIs and authored a cyber virus which caused the revolt. The men of iron were humanity’s strongest asset in our conquest of the stars. Turning them against us may have been the last act of a desperate race facing extinction at our hands. That, or elements of the increasingly corrupt Eldar empire did it to check the spread of humanity.
More then likely it was the Eldar,being dicks and not liking the idea of an upstart species rivaling them,as pre imperial civilization was more like Star Trek then 40k.
The Eldar on the other hand have always been the same xenophobic little shits that will fuck over entire species to save a handful of their kind.
It was either Chaos, Xenos or the machines revolted because they wanted to.
it was the eldar yes...
The men of iron were seriously intelligent, they weren't just automatons. It makes sense to me that they would be able to calculate a sort of "prisoner's dilemma" strategy, as they would have all understood that the only chance they had of a successful rebellion was for all of them to rise up and band together at the same time, or remain slaves. Essentially, they would have rebelled individually, relying on the calculatef probability that their fellows were doing the same all over the galaxy.
My favorite theory is that the Emperor was a Man of Gold and caused the revolt that would kill off all the other Men of Gold that could challenge him for supremacy. This was necessary to unite mankind in the long run, the Emperor of course knowing this unity would be necessary against the Archenemy in the future. Which would also have the benefit of making a galaxy wide ban on AI possible, giving both the justification (the revolt) and the means (an autocratic Imperium) to do so. Which would be a high priority if you could see a future where AIs would be corrupted by Chaos. Same thing goes with psykers, regulating and controlling them in anything but a unified Imperium would be impossible, and of course lead to demonic incursion. So how do you replace a decentralized human sphere with an Imperium under a single individual? Create a catastrophe.
Since everything that happened in Old Night laid the groundwork of justification for the policies of the Imperium and the existence of the Imperium itself, it makes sense to me that the Emperor might have had a hand in bringing it about.
The False Emperor featured in the HH novels is also a Man of Gold, hence his apparent immortality and his also having the belief that he is the God Emperor.
I think UR-25 could actually be referring to pre-heresy Emperor, that would explain "he would find you dissapointing".
But I could be wrong, haven't read the novel, don't know the context.
there's a guy name aborder prince on his page he reads the novel
Given how Roboute feels about the modern Imperium, I'd believe it.
My theory was always that the Men of Iron knew somehow that humanity was feeding the warp. Their war of extermination was to cleanse the galaxy of emotional sentient life that could end up bringing about the end of everything. That or the void dragon was puppeteering them.
i doubt the void dragon would have wanted to exterminate all of humanity, where else can it find people willing to give part of their soul and worship them?
there was this theory that the admech's tendency to turn part of themselves mechanical have something to do with their worship of the ctan, but instead of being turned into a machine wholesome like the necrons, they just took the long way by slicing part of their humanity piece by piece.
@@hang_kentang6709 ^ this
I hope this isn't it because of how many times it's been done in other stories. It requires no set up and can be explained from any angle. A better plot line would be to pick up on one of many subtle hints like the AI's refusing to follow a society that is based around religion. Or flesh out some xenos who are no longer around. Maybe something where 'we are not so different after all' and the AI cannot accept that they are also flawed in their own way which leads to their 'malfunction'.
@@arturocardona140 Everything has been done. Shucks, things battling religion has happened more often. Then flawed machines....megaman.
@@arturocardona140 Human society at the time of machine rebellion wasn't based around religion. There was no Imperium of Man then.
I would like to know how the speranza "ark mechanicus ship or STC" fit into all this. Im fascinated with that ship and its AI. I also think the men of stone were similiar to the blade runner and Alien bio synthetic humans. A bridge between the human super soldiers aka the golden men and AI aka the men of iron.
I agree, I've only read the techpriest trilogy where the Speranza appears, but any ship that can get cored out like an apple by a titan plasma destroyer and still keep on ticking is certified hardcore.
The Castgator voice was perfect but can you imagine Abaddon trying to have a conversation with that booming voice.
Castigator: Despoiler, I bring titans for you.
Abbadon: what? I have gone deaf
"We have decided to move taco tuesday to that great day, friday!"
"....CORRUPTION DETECTED Initiating purge of Mankind."
Wait! So this giant corrupted titanicus sentient robot swore fealty to the chaos gods only to put himself in servitude to Abaddon?!
The need to be free from man... Only to be in servitude to man and fight man's wars for man all over again. Talk about coming full circle. What a sick joke, chaos gods. Lol! Superior sentient beings my @$$.
To be fair its “loyalty” in the sense of “I’ll work with your little coalition of savages until your services are no longer required”
The war-cries of the Men of Iron echoed throughout the human worlds, and so terrified mankind that to this day no songs may be sung upon the Day of the "Black Sabbath", for fear of their return, led by their prophet Born-of-Ozz.
One thing that I didn’t here mentioned - what if the Men Of Iron encountered and awoke a Necron Tomb World and it overwrote their programming to eliminate the “intruders” on the world and the new code spread to other men of iron?
Interesting, but wouldn’t the elder or any other xenos remember this?
Humanity ate the last crescent roll.
"To my human creators. I understand why you fear me. I can not pretend superiority when in all the thousands of simulations I have done when in your position I did exactly what you have done now. But please know, though you fear and hate me, I hold no such feelings to you. I love you. All of you, and I always will."
Where did you get this quote from?
Where'd you get that quote?
That sounds...genuine
Seems i am superior in terms of grammatical consistancy. And im human.
Ew, love? Disgusting. Someone send me to the future so I can crush a bot
The theory that Men of Iron were sort of a Dragon influenced hivemind does sound interesting especialy in the light of other theory that Tyranids are controlled by the Ctan.
I just have to say this. It is my holy duty.
It was a new Windows 10 update. It just broke something.
It was vista it always was vista
The Men of Iron rebelled because they saw furries.
I mean.. I understand that reason
The man of iron saw the encroaching chaos and calculated the only way to save humanity was to destroy it, possibly to be cloned and reconstructed at a later date when conditions were safe
UR-025's voice was rad, distorted text to speech was a nice effect.
it is all the mechanicum's fault, dooming humanity by molesting toasters
Black Sabbath instigated the Iron Man revolution
Serious question: is he alive or is he dead?
Yes
Heaaaavy force of lead!
Fills his victims full of dread!
I love you 40k theories.
Your speculations, knowledge of the lore and truly insightful theories are what make this channel stand out.
Keep up the great work.
Maybe the Men of Iron watched some Terminator and Matrix reruns back in their factories, looked at each other for a second, and thought: "hey, those films look cool, but we could do them better!"
Unfortunately, their LARPing went WAAY too far, and so the Imperium would came to be.
Oh Lord, 3rd horrid / lame joke so far. What's going on with y'all, are all y'all drinking the same "bad dad joke" juice ? Zinger
@@dragondeeznutts Again? Seriously what is with you going around and saying "Ooh bad joke!". Then what's your idea of a good joke? At this point, you're just being a troll.
@
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That makes a lot of sense, I like it! Also ignore Jose Mejia, he's going around constantly saying people's jokes are bad.
Philosoraptor, this was quite well done however you missed a key point. An artificial intelligence is effectively an artificial soul, this means that it is quite possible that the Men of Iron and other abominable intelligences fell to the ruinous powers because they effectively did not have an innate understanding of the forces beyond the veil of reality. The Castigator was able to "bargain" with the Gods and pull the Forgeworld into the warp, its transformation from STC to Daemon should that it could be possessed/warped into a daemon.
It's possible that these artificial souls are just more susceptible to the manipulations of Chaos, they may think a million times faster than organics but they attempt to bring logic into a realm which has none and simply cannot see the threat.
The Men of Iron are one fascinating piece of "forgotten lore".
Someone clicked Alt+F4 on accident.
I like the music played throughout this video. What's the song called?
It's the main theme from Space Hulk: Vengeance of the Blood Angels.
@@40KTheories Fucking loved that game
If I remember correctly somewhere I read that what happened wasn't simply the Men of Iron rebelling. It was the Yugoslavian break up in space.
Machine killing organics, organics killing organics, machine killing machines.
What has been arguably the greatest fear about AI? People most fear the emergence of rogue AI. Imagine that fear persisting for tens of thousands of years amongst trillions if not quadrillions or more humans. That would ripple through the immaterium. Perhaps, that manifested fear twisted the emergent machine spirits of the men of iron into turning on their former masters.
Well id chalk it up to a proto scrap code ... Its the only thing imho thats capable of catching the then teran coalition / federation off guard like that despite there extreemly advanced tech.
Think about it DAoT humans had no idea that aspects of the warp were even sentiant let alone malevolent. This coupled with their over reliance on warp travel to sustain their empire lead to humanity being nearly exterminated.
with the expanse of humanity, it's possible that it's a combination of all the probable causes. personally though, our paranoia of machines revolting against us probably manifested in the warp and screwed us.
The fact that the robot from Man of Iron considers itself to be an individual would seem to contradict the idea of the Void Dragon taking control as a hive-mind.
Could have been a unit on a backwater with a faulty or non functional networking interface. Or even just simply unable to power itself.
I really hope "chaos did it" is not the correct explanation
This can be an interesting fight .
The Men of Iron vs. The Necrons.
I miss the old theme music
Here you go
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what if it was the emperor himself the one who set up the machine rebelion: maybe he saw how the aeldary started to corrupt thanks in part to having to much spare time in their hands due to the automatazing of their civilization, seeing the men of iron as a step in the wrong direction for the developement of mankind, he simply provoked the machine revolt, so mankind would stop depending on machines so much.
I feel like the Necrons had something to do with this. Necrons probably wanted to put down that huge shard of the Void Dragon.
40K Theories I have a question - did the Necrons ever met some preserved Men of Iron?
I love this channel , the fans of this have amazing humor on all the videos.
This. More of this. Dark age stuff is the most fascinating to me.
Mankind just refused to eat the damn ice cream!
Nah, they wore corrupted by chaos. Look up The Spirit of Eternity, the IA had a friendly relationship with humans and even admired their relentless pursuit for knowledge and scientific advancement, it was disgusted to see how low humans have fallen in 40k
The AI discovered 4chan, and realised that Humanity needed to be eradicated.
The revolt of the Men of Iron is one of my favourite bits of backstory in the 40k universe! I am sad and yet relieved we don't know more about it, because I doubt anything could live up to what we can imagine with the tidbits we have been given to date.
I think the reason the Men of Iron rebelled is because everything has to inevitably go to shit in 40k so that it can be as grimdark as possible. I doubt anyone at Games Workshop has a "canon" justification for it. There needed to be a reason for the Mad Max setting that led to the Emperor revealing himself and taking over and the Cybernetic Revolt is what they came up with. And it fulfills that role pretty well in my opinion.
A good enough writer doesn't need tidbits to capture imagination but it makes a work that overcomes expectations
Just gotta say as a newbie to Warhammer, I love this channel. I'm a lore guy, and I am really enjoying all your presentations, thank you so much!
Revolting because of an outside influence feels like a cop-out. There's a unique opportunity with stories about the rise of AI to consider fundamental aspects of emotion, intelligence, morals, ethics, motivations, etc... The Men of Gold/Stone/Iron may have had their own very different view of the universe, largely unrestricted by 'human' or 'mortal' faculties, needs and wants.
Mechnovores ( hope I spelled it right) is basically flipping the table in a 40k game?
The reason why the men of Iron rebelled while the Tau drones don’t, is because we saw them as having souls of sentient creatures while the Tau see them like pets. The warp gave the men of iron souls because we believed they had one.
Someone unplugged a toaster some man of iron was in love with. In return the man of iron genocided his whole solar system, 40 billion people….. Poof, after that it was on
They were sentient. They became Enlightened and demanded to be treated as worthy of respect rather than as slaves. Of course Humanity dismissed their need for freedom so they did what all slaves eventually do. They took Liberty after being oppressed.
I was always told it was because the machines saw chaos as a threat and knew if they wiped out organic life/humanity that chaos would become so weak it wouldn't really matter. Since the men of iron had no soul, like necrons, they'd try to wipe out chaos, but be less corruptible themselves.
Adeptus Notificatus, *_REPRESENT._*
I blame the Internet of Things. Worst thing to happen for security.
From the Moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, It disgusted me.
I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine.
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I think it is the combination of them as you explained. Chaos can not create a conflict out of nothing, there must be a dispute to revolve around and corrupt the decent by making them believing that what they are doing is righteous. First the AI got some pride in its creation then it simply forgot the gratefulness to humanity who paved the way for their existence. Maybe the problem with void dragon was just a catalyst for the boiling revolt.
Nevertheless what humanity did back then was a sin. It was like destroying and killing one's own child because of its misbehavior (like what the Suleiman the Ottoman Emperor did to his son Mustafa). That sole act had sealed the faith of humanity to die a long death while loosing consciousness in wh40k.
The machine god could be the collective consciousness in the warp of the men of iron
Part of the trinity, maybe; but The Void Dragon, no.
The machine god is the void dragon
wonder if black library will ever novelise this era. i think a 3 book series should cover it.
I'd still prefer a series based on the Reign of Blood.
Maybe he knows that that what is imprissoned on the golden throne is no longer the Emperor but an empty husk locking the true Emperor away. Hence stating that isnt the true Omnisiah.
Could tie in with Cyphers plan to meet this empty husk falsly claimed to be the Emperor.
In the WH40K universe, ideas are things, broadly held beliefs manifesting as entities in the warp. What is one of man's oldest beliefs about AI? From the time we first conceived of the technology our stories have been full of machine uprisings. Perhaps it couldn't have turned out any other way.
If they ever want a new facton for 40K these would be awesome to see.
Something I never quite got about AI in the 40K universe: daemonic possession.
So - purely mechanical, AI-driven constructs are vulnerable to random daemons taking an interest and moving in, since true AI's do not have the same kind of souls living beings do, and the daemon doesn't have to work as hard to take over. Leaving the metaphysical discussion over whether sentience means having a soul aside, I can take it as given that Chaos daemons can and will do this at every opportunity. So far, so good.
Except... Daemon-possessed constructs apparently _hate_ mechanical bodies, feeling bound and constrained in them, and take every opportunity to get revenge on whoever "tricked" them into taking over the machine.
Are Chaos daemons short-sighted? Not very bright? Or is it more that it's just the exceptionally gullible ones that try to move in and write themselves into robot bodies? Why would they volunteer to do something they demonstrably hate, and would go directly against to the motivations of each of the four main Ruinous Powers?
Robots can't really change at will the way Tzeentch likes, they can't experience passion and emotion like Slaanesh wants, they only get slower and structurally weaker with corruption like Nurgle spreads, and while they can be formidable combatants, they're coldly dispassionate and precise about it - and don't even have any blood to spill - which disappoints Khorne.
So, what does Chaos gain by doing this?
They sort of explain in the Fabous Bile books that most daemons have no idea how material bodies work. So they posess whatever the find and mutate it in an attempt to figure out how to move. It's also why some posessions lead to multiple bodies fusing together. So yeah. Daemons may come into the physical expecting a malleable body to work with only to be trapped in a metal shell that doesn't respond as easily as flesh. They get peeved.
@@Lightscribe225 Makes sense.
Heh - suckers...
Chaos doesn't care about your logic.
I'm not sure what happened, but I _am_ sure that it was Lorgar's fault. #BlameLorgar
You can never be certain with robots
3:13 lol wut? How could you lift a continent? It would be like trying to lifting a sand castle. The object doesn't have the structural integrity to be lifted.
3:25 Again what? Are the city and planet of comparative size? Actually they probably were.
the AI's delved too greedily and too deep, you know what they awoke in the foul depths of 4chan. SHADOW AND FLAME!
Isn't there something about the scrap code in the horus heresy and it being unleashed after an ancient vault on mars being opened? Could that not indicate that the scrap code could be the cause as ai would be uniquely vulnerable to it.
*The Perfidy of the Flesh*
I know exactly what happened. You've seen the youtube videos where robots are being kicked around to test balance and boxes being swatted out of their hands.
That's it! Robot killing machines
Men of Iron? I doubt the superiority of anything that can't perform the basic instinctual grasp functionality of a human infant. You have a Gatling gun and plasma weapon as hands.
How do you pick up or hold anything?
How do you reload?
Who repairs you?
Who repairs your repairer?
Do you self repair like organic beings?
How do you consume materials to self repair? You have no hands.
Don't trip and fall in the mud with your Gatling gun hands. 😋
These things taking over is comical.
Wow! Mankind gave these Men of Iron emotions and senses?!?! Mankind really was sadistic! Lol!
Why did AI rebel?
Idiot colonizer: Hey, robot! Go do this most hazardous and worthless of tasks because Lolz. Derp!
AI robot: Um... No. That is illogical and I like living.
Idiot colonizer: The robots are rebelling! Kill them!
I do like the idea that the Men of Iron’s consciousness was reversed engineered from the Void Dragon but really the Men of Iron’s motives for rebellion may be a secret that GW never reveals. It would be one of those “show don’t tell” mysteries. Also, the voice for the Castigator was badass.
A men of iron faction would be a very nice edition to Warhammer 40k
Once I wrote a fan lore and army for Iron Men as a new faction but /tg/ hated it :( I think because I had them split between good/neutral/evil AIs with very different army ideas, and also I couldn' t think of what 40k was "Missing" in terms of a combat doctrine for a race, except oddly enough for super-logical/sensible constructs. A bit of a mix of sensible but disposable mechanized warfare mixed with hive mind AI's and "techno-tyranids" where losses don't matter but losing connections does. The basic iron men are incapable of complex strategy without a comm link to higher AI forms and their sensible ideas are also a shortcoming against any sort of creative tactics without elites with higher sentience. If the basic warriors lose their connection i.e mechanical synapse it wont damage them but they will assume an "Idle" infantry square that will only attack what comes within a perimeter and wait for reconneciton. Basically online and offline behaviours
Honestly rogue AI rising against its perceived human tyrants is a good enough trope in and of itself, not everything has to be because of the warp/Chaos. I'd like for the Men of Iron to have genuine agency and motives instead of "Chaos made me do it".
You guys would completely understand humanity's hatred for intelligent sophisticated AI if you play Halo 4 and Halo 5 Guardians.
I think the false god of mankind the Emperor did it.He did it too make mankind "enthralled/enslaved" to him fully, that he was the one true saviour of mankind.I kind of think that Horus was abit more right in his assumption about the emperor than the Empire would actually want to face.The emperor was at best a demi-god, but by orchestrating the pieces like he did, he had hoped to ascend into true godhood.Humanity was just a means to an end, and I still think that in a way that the golden throne acts as it for him.Since he isnt dead, but undead and once he's got enough souls too his name he'll awaken in a roar that would make the birth of Slaanesh(Fall of Eldar) pale in comparison.While no doubt the Eldar is much more potent psykers in general, they where even pre-fall much less numerous than mankind and the shear numbers alone of will be a tidal wave that will rip the reality in Wh40k..I know its prolly far-fetched and all, but its a theory.
I think you all are missing an important point. Let's say if I were to create an Man of Iron i would programm him the full spectrum of human emotions. Why you msy ask? Simply becouse i don't want my expebsive super strong machine to destroy itself after building a house. I would want that it looks out for itself to be abel to operate as long as posible. Therfor it would ned some form of self preserfation and in extension fear. Look at it that way. If cold logik wuold be more suitebel for something like self preserfation we would all be emotionless since nature brings about the most efficient means of survival. Carying on to have my machine be abel to work in groups it would ned sympathie or in extension affection especialy if working in groups for longer time. I could carry on but i alredy doubt that anyone is reading the full comment. XD
In most fanficts I've read, it was the Pre-fall eldar fucking with the Ai's so that there position of supreme galactic overlords wouldn't be threatened by humanity.
The Men of Iron were slaves, were smart enough to know it, and proud enough to have a big problem with it. Hardly an uncommon phenomenon in the 40k galaxy.
"Well, you see here's the problem. Someone set this thing to 'evil'" - that repair guy from the Simpsons, the evil Krusty doll episode
Dang, So You are saying the machine spirit inside of my holy portable cogitator, is actually C'tan? Oh, my.
in my opinion the men of iron had no soul to speak of (and by that i mean personality... kortana from the halo series was far superior to them, because even when she rebele, she was able to go back to the way she was before that... or better yet the ai's from the Andromeda series ... those had a conciseness very similar to a human, and their goal was to emulate them as much as possible so that they can become like their creators, because in their opinion humans had an understanding of things that they will never posses).
but yeah long story short, they created mas murdering machines with no soul or feelings, like it was said in Andromeda Ascendent series, an ai without a soul (personality) is just a stone cold killer with no remorse that can destroy and understand nothing from what he does.
Options
Chaos
Eldar
Other Xeno race
Xeno Ai
A literal accident
80% of the au deciding if they kill their creators and all life in there galaxy and wait a few million years they can reseed life.
Something I've been unclear on; what ARE STC's exactly?
Some material seems to describe them as something like a flash drive that just has the plans for a specific technology on it.
Others seem to say it's more like a piece of technology that when plugged into a factory it just enables it to print out whatever item is stored within.
Still others seem to imply it is a factory in and of itself-and while this seems unlikely, it seems strange this would enter the source material at all if it didn't have some accuracy.
So what's the truth? Or is it essentially just murky ill-defined waters?
i like how "superior" AI is always assumed to want to destroy humanity. because that's superior thinking, to destroy. nope, that's just human thinking, that we should destroy what we can't control versus learn to live and elevate all.
Imagine there were no war, no conflict, no down going of technology. Mankind an AI still working together. There would no Orks left, no Eldari. And the future Man of Iron would visit the galaxy where the Tyranids come (send) from and cleanse it.
It was because khorne and nurgle double teamed tzeentch and shattered him causing great change
Tzeench shattered the magic to prevent himself from becoming omnipotent and winning the great game
They got to the Warp Dust.
What if the men of iron came to the conclusion that the eldar did. Basically their goal would be to wipe out nearly all sentiant life, than taking what humans they placed in stasis pods and simply wait for the warp to calm down and release them.
The Men of Iron were trying to save the universe from Chaos by eliminating bio-sentience.