Metal Sonic really carried Eggman's army, what an MVP. Also, crazy that Moro animated the entire thing by himself, including the alternate scenarios. Masive respect.
Also props to him for asking to do all of it. He could've had help! They could've altered dimensions to use different artists for it, but not only did he want to do the whole thing, not only did he do the alternate scenarios _without being prompted,_ he even altered the post-fight scene to include Sage, who wasn't originally there. She was supposed to have been implied as having been on the Death Egg when it was transmutated, but... thought to add her at the end. There's doing the job, there's doing it well, there's going above-and-beyond, then there's "The next Death Battle has _no chance_ of being better than this one." MORO definitely hit that last one, s'why I _like_ how curious I am about Among Us vs. Fall Guys. I'm not thinking it'll be GOOD or BAD, I just want to know _what it'll be._ This Death Battle raised the bar; it's fine to let the bar settle in place for a bit.
“Bowser can withstand a black hole” Nuxanor: “I can’t believe they’re using game mechanics as feats” “Eggman can withstand a black hole” Nux-pentious: “That’s crazy, how is anyone supposed to beat this man?”
@@michaellatner975 I've been watching him for a while and even I noticed that detail about him when it comes to *death battles* Lol it's kinda funny in a way 🤭
Nux: they are taking feats that happened in the games? That’s so crazy bro Yes Nux, they are taking the feats at face value instead of dismissing them. That’s the point of comparing these characters
@@VictorCorona2They didn’t dismiss any feat. In fact they probably added some because most people didn’t expect the Sun Disk or Trillions x FTL Bardock feats
@@Bear0601 What I mean by that is that they gave the win to Omni Man just because he destroyed a planet (King Vegeta casually destroying 3 with one hand) that was way bigger than any planet Bardock or any other Saiyan had destroyed. Yet he didn't do it alone, since it required 3 viltrumites to do it. (Aaand destabilizing the planet's core but who cares about that am I right?) Besides the fact that Bardock scaled relatively close to King Vegeta and they even gave him his Super Saiyan transformation because they (were biased) thought he couldn't do anything against him.
@@VictorCorona2the thing is, the planet is WAYY more durable than anybody really thinks about? Like how the reason it got a “destabilized core” was because it was shot with a SUN BUSTING LASER, but who cares about the fact it tanked a casual star buster right?
I do find it interesting how Sage did successfully predict Bowser would jump into the way of the laser to defend his troops, so she aimed at them instead of at him.
Power of friendship ignored, That does tend to lead to a more damaging attack as well. Since its easier to prep for an attack directed at yourself then one you have to get in the way of.
Remember, Mario runs on cartoon logic, Sonic runs on anime logic. Sonic can show the impact of what goes on, but Mario just pulls off insane stuff casually due to the nature of those two logic systems. Also look into Super Paper Mario. Bowser was involved with dealing with something that was going to erase the multiverse, including all timelines.
While the latter thing is true, I really have issues with them including Paper Bowser stuff (not that it ended up changing much) as the RPG games they were choosing to include which had the Dream Stone ALSO showed that Paper Bowser is from a separate universe/dimension. So whilst the Paper Mario games ARE canon, that doesn't mean that both those Bowsers are literally the same character.
@@lukasruston8618actually, they are. With the exception of Paper Jam, there have been various instances where Paper Bowser has referenced things that have happened to regular Bowser and vice-versa. Additionally, Miyamoto himself went out and confirmed as much, saying that Paper Mario is canon and that both versions of Bowser are the same Bowser.
@@lukasruston8618they are using only the first 3 games Because the other paper Mario games contradict the game lore (but super paper Mario and the other 2 doesn’t do that)
Super Dimentio never unleashed a multiverse destroying attack. Regular Dimentio literally killed Bowser earlier in the game with a few explosions. Greatly exaggerated scaling.
@@reserven5795if you mean when they were sent to the underwhere to revive the pure heart to advance. It was stated by the queen that Mario and them weren’t actually killed but transported there and she just sent Mario and Luigi back.
I think the way they argued Army wasn’t the strongest even though their conclusion was still right, here’s how I’d put it: Bowser’s army, particularly King Boo, Jr and especially Kamek, provide the utility that perfectly compliments Bowser’s raw power. Metal is stronger than any member of Bowser’s army, but as we saw in the fight itself, Bowser deals with Metal personally. The point of the army comparison isn’t to say which is stronger, or whether enslaved programs make better soldiers than loyal conscious creatures, but to say how well each army compliments its king and members. The insane utility of Bowser’s generals and the sheer unpredictability of all the different power ups they could use make Bowser’s army better, especially because the power up variety directly counters Sage’s ability to plan, one of Eggman’s greatest assets.
Yeah thats a much better argument. I do think its worth considering what Eggman could do given prep time to make new robots specifically to fight bowser and his minions...but I also know the prep time argument is its own can of worms. At the very least I do think the idea of Eggman making at least one new robot to counter Bowser should have been mentioned though, even if Bowser had a minion that could counter it due to the variety on his end.
This is also, BTW, the exact same reason they mostly portrayed Eggman Vs Wily as a near draw(albeit Eggman at the time didn't have Infinite or Sage, and Sonic was overall considered a lot weaker. Still). Wily built his forces to compliment eachothers weaknesses and work well as a unified fighting force while Eggman didn't. Hence both the grunt vs grunt and Ace Robots vs Robot Masters fights favored Wily, his forces individually weaker could work together better. The difference in that fight is unlike Bowser(who was personally strong enough to deal with anything his army couldn't), Wily had absolutely zero answer to Metal Sonic, even at the time it was understood he could basically solo Wily's army including Super Base. However Roboenza exists, Wily would absolutely use it if the situation was going badly, and at the time Metal Sonic still had a strong disobedience track anyway that hadn't been fixed yet(not that fixing it would stop Roboenza), and Eggman at the time had nothing that could stop Metal Sonic either, hence a draw. Metal Sonic was strong enough to basically solo both of them, Wily had a tool that would make him go rogue(albeit that dooms him too), and it's Eggman's robot. Draw.
@@snickersnacker4502 One of the main universal rules listed in the credits of every episode is that combatants don’t know each other prior to the start of the fight (unless said otherwise for special cases, usually them knowing each other in their own canon) and that results in no prep time, so there’s no reason they should have brought it up. As you said, prep time is its own can of worms that Death Battle rightly avoids. The premise of the show is dropping combatants in the same area, then having them fight with the things they have used in canon and seeing which one wins. To my knowledge, Eggman doesn’t have the ability to design robots on the fly and somehow have them built and deployed near instantaneously, which is what he would need for something like that to have an impact on this format. I’m not going to disagree on the possibility that Eggman could build something to counter Bowser and his army but that would be more applicable in a larger scale and drawn-out war scenario, which I think breaches out of the realm of versus debates and into fanfiction. And as a personal aside, I find prep time to be disingenuous in versus debates because it is almost always used when it will give someone’s preferred side a significant advantage.
@@Ogiga99 Mkay! Didn't know that was there stance on that. I did mention it was its own can of worms so I can completely understand and respect that stance and preference. I can see it being worth considering personally, but I'm not going to base an entire argument around it.
@@maxspecs Dude accepted SUPER EGGMAN from a small instance in a comic, but denies Bowser and most of the dark magic like he’s never done it consistently.
@@juliofigueroa5567 if they used the egg wizard or time eater Bowser would be just a pile of (Magic) dust, they also completely ignored the abismal speed gap between Sonic characters and Mario characters Also, saying that Bowser is "clearly" more powerfull than eggman is just saying that you dont know anything about eggman with extra steps
Bruh, the Egg wizards creates quakes and controls lava, that’s barely magic and far below Eggman’s other abilities. As for speed, Eggman’s mechs aren’t as fast as you’d perceive them. None of them are at Sonic’s speed since Sonic easily catches up to them and bashes them constantly so they are FAR slower than that. Plus most of them can’t use their more powerful attacks while moving at higher speeds, so they have to be at a more closer range at a lower speed. And for time eater, well that’s also bullshit if you won’t allow Bowser to also pull instant win bullshit, time based attacks are countered, and like they said the trump items are a total waste of time to interpret. Wish granting stars and reality warping gemstones, it’s not even a category to bother with.
I'm only here to listen to Nux scream how certain things shouldn't be scaled or are misrepresented. "There's no way they're taking that so literally". That's the point for the past hundreds of battles.
It's a surprisingly close matchup where each side as a ton of arguments for winning, and death battle even stated as much, even if they did a poor job at getting that point across.
well in all honesty, i'm not sure how literal these feats are meant to be measured within the canon themselves. I don't necessarily think that nintendo or sega are putting to much stock into these types of abilities when they are making games. however, for death battle, it makes sense as to why they would take every feat literal during their analysis, since that's the whole appeal.
Funny thing is, this isn't even the first time Infinite got destroyed by Thwomp in a Bowser VS Eggman animation. Everyone just agrees that's the level of respect he deserves.
The Phantom Ruby's ability is essentially Psychosomatic Illusions. Illusions so powerful thry can be tangible, cause physical effects, and interact with the environment. That's honestly how I understand it.
While both survived Black Holes, as much as I love Eggman, Eggman only survives IN HIS VEHICLE. Bowser tanks everything on his own. Magic altering things screws Eggman over constantly as its a variable he cant contend with without Chaos Powers. I think it would have been a closer fight had they had Sage give Eggman Chaos Control. Eggman being able to make his thoughts into reality would have made Bowser have to really pull out his best Magic.
How would Eggman even be able to use Chaos Control? Besides, Bowser has resisted time-stops before, they even mention it during his analysis in a black-box in the top right at 6:11.
@atpid_cos ...Did you miss the part where they mention Super Eggman? Which is literally when Eggman uses the Chaos Emeralds together to get the same buff as Super Sonic/Super Neo Metal Sonic? I didn't say Eggman wins. I said it would be a closer fight.
@@nytecrow6452 Super Eggman was from using the _Phantom Ruby,_ not the Chaos Emeralds, which still requires a great deal of prepwork and--as mentioned--can be countered with the Wonder Flower.
@@arlenfreeman3439 That version of Eggman used the Ruby, but there have been times throughout the cartoons, games, and more where he has used Chaos Powers through the Emeralds to warp reality. I am not saying the Flower isn't better. It never needed to be used in this fight as portrayed. But they could have expanded it by having Eggman give up on Technical Supremacy and move to a literal battle of Intellect vs Magic via Chaos Power vs Bowser's World Magic.
I find it funny how Bowser's Army being able to work together and cover weaknesses(King Boo's immunity to illusions and gravity plus his magic powers perfectly countered Infinite) even if none of them were on the level of Sage or Metal Sonic was so important because more or less that's the exact same reason they deemed Eggman Vs Wily as a near draw in 2011(albeit Eggman at the time didn't have Infinite or Sage, and Sonic was overall considered a lot weaker. Still). Wily built his forces to compliment eachothers weaknesses and work well as a unified fighting force while Eggman didn't. Hence both the grunt vs grunt and Ace Robots vs Robot Masters fights favored Wily, his forces individually weaker could work together better, exploiting and covering weaknesses is his whole thing. The difference in that fight is unlike Bowser(who was personally strong enough to deal with anything his army couldn't), Wily had absolutely zero answer to Metal Sonic, even at the time it was understood he could basically solo Wily's army including Super Base. However Roboenza exists, Wily would absolutely use it if the situation was going badly, and at the time Metal Sonic still had a strong disobedience track anyway that hadn't been fixed yet(not that fixing it would stop Roboenza), and Eggman at the time had nothing that could stop Metal Sonic either, hence a draw. Metal Sonic was strong enough to basically solo both of them, Wily had a tool that would make him go rogue(albeit that dooms him too), and it's Eggman's robot. Draw. Bowser won for the same reason Wily drawed, better teamwork and covering weaknesses instead of solo fighters. Only difference is Bowser is strong enough to put down Metal Sonic.
Fr, I don’t have twitter but is this death battle really that problematic? Last I checked most people seemed to like it. Even those who disagreed with the outcome at least thought the animation was peak. Actually scratch that, I can totally believe twitter would still be mad at that.
@@cantmakeacreativename2072apparently so, there are the Toxic Sonic fans that are like disregarding and trying to debunk the fight (even several people here on UA-cam), I just backed off because it was so annoying.
I mean yeah the Phantom Ruby is broken but their point is that while it's perception based reality warping, Bowser has a counter in being able to warp actual reality so he could just say No to the Ruby's effects.
Funny enough, he didn't even need Kamek for the (obviously rigged) Chance Time (he has his own variant too), they both could steal the Ruby or even the Emeralds with regular magic. They just wanted it to be flashy in the animation.
@@Magma-Idiot-2001 Pretty sure the Emeralds are immune to those types of hax, same with transmutation (while not outright immune to transmutation, they function and act exactly the same as they normally do, meaning there's no benefit to transmuting them). Though I don't think the phantom ruby has the same types of hax/reality warping resistances.
The people that are mad at this make it 10 times better. I’ve had the opportunity to be able to listen to some dude rant 30 minutes long about how infinite could crush a thwomp or whatever. Completely disregarding the circumstances of the fight or the fact Death Battle said the fight can go 100000 different ways. I swear Sonic fans are something else. I’ve seen multiple sonic animation creators upset about the outcome and I’m just laughing my ass off. It’s just a cool animation bro.
even more so them ignoring *why* they used a thwomp...both for that is the level of disrespect infinite deserves but more importantly...he turned the gravity up. Boo just laughed and said 'aight bet'
Agreed, this was fucking amazing, no doubt in my mind that it is the best Death Battle they’ve done, loved every second of it! My favorite part (which I still get goosebumps from) is when Metal hurts Bowser’s son… IN FRONT OF HIM!!! Then proceeds to get backhanded, and overpowered by the pure RAGE infused Fury Bowser with a Grand Star on top… that shit was just gorgeous, and the blast creating a Black Hole was just sprinkles on top really
@@Void_Ghost_Beelz Will admit I was expecting to get a similar moment from Eggman for a bit. Sage getting hurt leading to a Dad V Dad moment just protecting their kids while the armies stop to watch the end of the fight o7
Sonic fans are some of the most humorless and annoying people in the vs battle community, so it makes me really happy whenever their character loses (unless it's my goat Metal) because God they're ANNOYING.
I'm a Sonic fan, and while I was surprised that Bowser won, I understood why after they went through the 5 categories at the end, but I was never mad at the outcome
I think eggman could have won but generally I agree that bowser wins most times. Like a 6/4 ratio. Bowser wins 6 out of 10 times and eggman wins the other 4.
I see it more like this: A single battle like this, Bowser definitely wins, but in an actual, prolonged war where Eggman can be strategic, Eggman wins for sure
@@zavexcapricious2519yeah eggman can just keep churning out troops and he is a master of strategy, bowser’s forces are limited and he lacks the smarts for a prolonged war. But the scenario is focused more on a single battle.
@@ERBanmech Bowser has ways of inflating his army size aswell through the use of Magic, and has multiple people who can perform that task. Though Eggman has the phantom ruby copies/prototypes to create clones. On top of the fact that his army is generally cheap to produce, especially modern versions since he doesn't need to use animals.
“NOOOO you cant take it literally!! Its not like it happened blatantly on screen, wasn’t portrayed as a gag, is literally part of the plot and story, and isnt an outlying feat by any means!!” Like, where the hell do you draw the line at what you can and cant scale? At what you find convenient?
Eggman always loses the first time, then comes back with a machine that directly counters what beat him last time and wins. He's the king of rematches. And they did amongus vs fallguys because they spent all their money on Bowser vs Eggman, obviously. The one after that will be sock puppets.
@@minihatsunemikufan They don't want to have to compete with the peak they just dropped, so it'll be less serious to compensate for the absolute cinema they created for this battle.
@@acrab6527 honestly I think it bowser knows he’s coming back again. He’s just gonna get the Dreamstone and if he has that it doesn’t matter how many rematches you throw at Bowser he still gonna win. Erasure is erasure it doesn’t care how strong you are are you made of matter congratulations you can be erased
Honestly, it's good that the next death battle is alot less intense. We all need a more low down one after the raw awesomeness that was Bowser vs Eggman.
Yeah, this was a 'catching lightning in a bottle' moment, lol. Moro animating it was definitely a big boon, but they actually put a good amount of effort into the explanation compared to other ones, lol. I will say however on the 'conquest of the universe' thing vs the planet respectively, Eggman had to fight a lot of Sonic Characters that were holding their own, while there was no one with Mario's strength to stop Bowser I think. Could be wrong, haven't played it in forever.
Where would sonic colors fall in this since Eggman did capture and enslave an entire race of aliens in that game while also setting up a theme park in space around the planet. (I forget if he brought the planets too or if that was part of what he built himself) ((And, did they give any attention to how the the planet and the park actually connected aside from elevator? I forgot tbh))
Bowser may have won, but Eggman’s presentation was so much better. Every new thing he brought to the battlefield was cooler than the last. I was rooting for him the entire time.
As for a more meta reason, Super Eggman didn't exist at the time when production started on the episode, and this wasn't something like adding an additional death for Jean Grey during the editing of Raven vs Phoenix. Because believe it or not, the episode was originally supposed to be part of Season 10 but got delayed for some fairly obvious reasons.
@@thecursed_1lordofcats738 MØRO animated the alternate scenarios, one of which shows Eggman's "Light-Man" form being countered by Bowser using the Wonder Flower abilities he got when he became Castle Bowser.
@atpid_cos fair, but that was something he asked to do after the rest of the animation was done. Same with the rest of the alternate scenarios shown during the conclusion.
Eggman's top trump cards are Metal Sonic, Sage and Infinite. The rest of his robots are "yes man"s Bowser's tops is Kamek, King Boo and Junior. But his army is coordinated, flexible and combined to cover weaknesses. Plus all of the members of the Koopa kingdom can use ALL the power up items, whilst only Sage and Metal could use the emeralds
Nah cause i was like, "Easy Egghead wins he deals with supersonic whos a universal threat! (Brain: Super Mario Galaxy) Wait...ok but Sonic generations? (Brain: a good couple of mario rpgs...)..shhiiiii"
"Anytime there is anything even slightly super saiyan related... they lose" Not true Broly beat Hulk, Shadow beat Ryuko, Metal Sonic beat Dr. Eggman & Dr. Wily, and Vegeta beat Shadow
Sonic has had way more episodes than that, and they've won quite a bit. Mario VS Sonic (2011), Eggman VS Wily, Luigi VS Tails, Amy VS Ramona, Shadow VS Ryūko, and Trunks VS Silver. Also, just to be clear, the literal creator of the show grew up specifically with Sonic and loves the franchise. Just because a series loses doesn't mean the team hates that franchise, and this mindset is extremely dumb because it contradicts itself all the time. Like when they were called Sega fanboys after the first two Mario VS Sonic episodes, but became Nintendo fanboys after DK VS Knuckles.
What I especially like about this fight is that they went into deeper detail in the alternate scenarios, preparing for all the “erm acthmually’s” the fan base was going to throw at them.
Miyamoto in person said how all of Mario is canon except hotel Mario (but contradictions are counted as parallel universes) like all paper Mario’s until super paper Mario
Poor Bowser all he wants to do hang out with his family and his true love Peach and that mustached menace always ruining everything, Mario is the true villain. Also if it came down to Eggman vs Bowser without the armies Bowser would win without question.
So far the Sonic Series has gotten only 6 Victories and the victors were (Amy Rose vs Ramona Flowers) Amy Rose (Xeno Trunks vs Archie Silver) Archie Silver (Shadow vs Ryuko) Shadow (Mario vs Sonic 2011) Sonic (Luigi vs Tails) Tails (Eggman vs Wily) Metal Sonic
Peach isn't kidnapped because she's weak, she's kidnapped because people care about her Funnily enough, that's typically why it's a "damsel". Their lives hold more value.
Still think the funny part was somewhere it was mentioned that infinite didnt actually die from the thwomp, he just teleported out of there, bro got clowned on so hard he had to take the entire fight out to contemplate his existence
@@ArynBacklogDragonBut he kinda fucked up when he did the last one… right in front of his dad… which was already in Fury form Bowser in his Fury form was the strongest non-super character on screen, so Metal had to go super just to go against him, but when he hurt Jr. that rage plus the Grand Star skyrocketed Bowser’s strength from the base of his Fury form, which would be stronger than Super Neo-Metal… but in all honesty, I just loved the fight in general Hell! Metal has not been this epic since ever! His slow walk as he transforms into Neo before absolutely shitting on Bowser with that kick was insane!!!
19:06 fun fact: this metal virus story arc first started in early 2019 but went all throughout 2020. A story where Eggman created a virus that caused a global pandemic and nearly destroyed the world. Quite unfortunate timing, but if anything that seem to only boost the people’s emotional attachment to the story, so I guess it all worked out in the end
to be honest, the fact metal sonic is even helping eggman is a bit of a stretch, because isn't metal sonic's entire thing he ONLY wants to fight sonic, and will actively betray eggman to do that, i don't see why metal sonic wouldn't just...abandon the fight the moment it becomes clear sonic has nothing to do with it. infinite losing to his own gravity manipulation is a plausible scenario, especially considering its confirmed infinite didn't actually lose, but was just in shock he got hit. i totally get why people don't like it though. i think the fact eggman sucks at loyalty would probably be a bigger factor to how bowser would win, infinite and metal sonic would likely betray him.
In the IDW Comics Eggman reprogrammed Metal to be 100% loyal to him after the whole situation with Neo Metal before. In fact, Neo Metal even took over Eggman’s army when Eggman went missing and had the sole intention of taking over the world in Eggman’s name. He’s loyal.
@@someGuy-kl7cbIt’s also worth pointing out that even in Sonic Heroes, Metal just locked Eggman away when he took over, he never tried killing Eggman even though FF he easily could have. Metal might be a little rebellious, but he doesn’t hate Eggman
They're taking _every_ thing (that is official (at the time)) literally, Nux. This has been a thing for years. Edit: VS Battle wiki fandom is not a really reliable source, since more often than not they included implicitly non-canon sources...
To be fair even if Infinite wasn't beaten by king boo and the madlad had two phantom rubies the outcome would've be the same, with kamek's dark magic he could swap those items again and again not only that BOWSER, BOWSER JR. AND HIS 7 KOOPALINGS (Iggy, Larry, Lemmy, Ludwig, Morton, Roy and Wendy). could do something against infinite and metal sonic.
I kind of wish Nux would pause to read the corner notes. Those tend to soften the blows sometimes. Also... maybe take a look at every Death Battle winner so far before saying things like, "This franchise never wins!" when around half of the fights featuring said franchise does indeed have wins, and "This condition means an instant loss!" when... that simply ain't true.
Even though the final Eggman bot was destroyed.. it was only destroyed by someone who could fight on the 6th dimensional plain which is more than anything bowser can output.
Dude loved your reaction and the battle was insane, plus the music went so hard, but bro I have a great battle for you to react to look up superman vs hulk and you will not be disappointed, the animator went all out with this project and it shows
35:10 I get genuine goosebumps and chills here. The music, the fact that Bowser Jr gets badly wounded here, all combined with how you know Bowser will respond to seeing his son get hurt like that gives me chills.
I love when nux watches a show about vs debates and is shocked when they discus the characters feats... 10/10 i wish i could only like and subscribe twice
2:37 to be fair, Mario murders hundreds of koopas, goombas, insectoids and literal ghosts in like, every game. And I'm also including every single brick block he breaks because they are all sealed away toads. Meaning each coin Mario gets from breaking blocks is the belongings of those dead toad. He's not only a murderer, but also a corpse robber...
His chair survived a black how eggman was in it and super eggman is super hard to manifest and the only time he pooled it off it’s was at least partly luck
I really hope Nux reacts to Game Apologists' Sonic IDW Comics (which are canon to the games) Speed Reading series , and Lowart's coverage of Archie Sonic.
I think the best way to explain the army perspective is that because the koopa troop genuinely work to counter eachothers weaknesses and can help them adapt to the egg armada's strategies. And eggman's army being just robots means they won't really adapt to any oncoming strategies mid fight. So it really becomes an entire army vs a few powerful shitflingers like Metal Sonic, who Bowser himself has no trouble dealing with.
Fun fact: MORO did the animation for this ALONE. And he did it voluntarily. He's crazy man!😅
Moro is goated. I'm finding this man's channel.
Wait… the guy who was part of Indie Cross??!!
@ YEP😁
YOO THATS SICKK!!! BRO HAS COME SO FAR!!
Cause Moro is the fucking goat!!!!
Metal Sonic really carried Eggman's army, what an MVP. Also, crazy that Moro animated the entire thing by himself, including the alternate scenarios. Masive respect.
Also props to him for asking to do all of it. He could've had help! They could've altered dimensions to use different artists for it, but not only did he want to do the whole thing, not only did he do the alternate scenarios _without being prompted,_ he even altered the post-fight scene to include Sage, who wasn't originally there. She was supposed to have been implied as having been on the Death Egg when it was transmutated, but... thought to add her at the end.
There's doing the job, there's doing it well, there's going above-and-beyond, then there's "The next Death Battle has _no chance_ of being better than this one." MORO definitely hit that last one, s'why I _like_ how curious I am about Among Us vs. Fall Guys. I'm not thinking it'll be GOOD or BAD, I just want to know _what it'll be._
This Death Battle raised the bar; it's fine to let the bar settle in place for a bit.
(Eggman surviving black holes)
Nux: I sleep
(Bowser surviving black holes)
Nux: ThEy CaN’t Be InClUdInG tHiS?!?!
Based Nux 😂
But it happened lmao 🤣
Based, completely based, the agenda will never die🗣🔥🔥🔥
“Bowser can withstand a black hole”
Nuxanor: “I can’t believe they’re using game mechanics as feats”
“Eggman can withstand a black hole”
Nux-pentious: “That’s crazy, how is anyone supposed to beat this man?”
Really though
I mean, he has shown in the past to be biased in the death battles (i think jokingly) ignoring feats certain people have.
@@michaellatner975 I've been watching him for a while and even I noticed that detail about him when it comes to *death battles* Lol it's kinda funny in a way 🤭
Nux: they are taking feats that happened in the games? That’s so crazy bro
Yes Nux, they are taking the feats at face value instead of dismissing them. That’s the point of comparing these characters
to be fair, they have done that quite a lot in the past, lol.
@@Fang1stBiggest example? Bardock Vs Omni Man.
@@VictorCorona2They didn’t dismiss any feat. In fact they probably added some because most people didn’t expect the Sun Disk or Trillions x FTL Bardock feats
@@Bear0601 What I mean by that is that they gave the win to Omni Man just because he destroyed a planet (King Vegeta casually destroying 3 with one hand) that was way bigger than any planet Bardock or any other Saiyan had destroyed. Yet he didn't do it alone, since it required 3 viltrumites to do it. (Aaand destabilizing the planet's core but who cares about that am I right?) Besides the fact that Bardock scaled relatively close to King Vegeta and they even gave him his Super Saiyan transformation because they (were biased) thought he couldn't do anything against him.
@@VictorCorona2the thing is, the planet is WAYY more durable than anybody really thinks about? Like how the reason it got a “destabilized core” was because it was shot with a SUN BUSTING LASER, but who cares about the fact it tanked a casual star buster right?
I do find it interesting how Sage did successfully predict Bowser would jump into the way of the laser to defend his troops, so she aimed at them instead of at him.
Power of friendship ignored,
That does tend to lead to a more damaging attack as well. Since its easier to prep for an attack directed at yourself then one you have to get in the way of.
Remember, Mario runs on cartoon logic, Sonic runs on anime logic. Sonic can show the impact of what goes on, but Mario just pulls off insane stuff casually due to the nature of those two logic systems.
Also look into Super Paper Mario. Bowser was involved with dealing with something that was going to erase the multiverse, including all timelines.
While the latter thing is true, I really have issues with them including Paper Bowser stuff (not that it ended up changing much) as the RPG games they were choosing to include which had the Dream Stone ALSO showed that Paper Bowser is from a separate universe/dimension. So whilst the Paper Mario games ARE canon, that doesn't mean that both those Bowsers are literally the same character.
@@lukasruston8618actually, they are. With the exception of Paper Jam, there have been various instances where Paper Bowser has referenced things that have happened to regular Bowser and vice-versa. Additionally, Miyamoto himself went out and confirmed as much, saying that Paper Mario is canon and that both versions of Bowser are the same Bowser.
@@lukasruston8618they are using only the first 3 games
Because the other paper Mario games contradict the game lore (but super paper Mario and the other 2 doesn’t do that)
Super Dimentio never unleashed a multiverse destroying attack. Regular Dimentio literally killed Bowser earlier in the game with a few explosions. Greatly exaggerated scaling.
@@reserven5795if you mean when they were sent to the underwhere to revive the pure heart to advance. It was stated by the queen that Mario and them weren’t actually killed but transported there and she just sent Mario and Luigi back.
I think the way they argued Army wasn’t the strongest even though their conclusion was still right, here’s how I’d put it:
Bowser’s army, particularly King Boo, Jr and especially Kamek, provide the utility that perfectly compliments Bowser’s raw power. Metal is stronger than any member of Bowser’s army, but as we saw in the fight itself, Bowser deals with Metal personally. The point of the army comparison isn’t to say which is stronger, or whether enslaved programs make better soldiers than loyal conscious creatures, but to say how well each army compliments its king and members. The insane utility of Bowser’s generals and the sheer unpredictability of all the different power ups they could use make Bowser’s army better, especially because the power up variety directly counters Sage’s ability to plan, one of Eggman’s greatest assets.
Yeah thats a much better argument. I do think its worth considering what Eggman could do given prep time to make new robots specifically to fight bowser and his minions...but I also know the prep time argument is its own can of worms.
At the very least I do think the idea of Eggman making at least one new robot to counter Bowser should have been mentioned though, even if Bowser had a minion that could counter it due to the variety on his end.
This is also, BTW, the exact same reason they mostly portrayed Eggman Vs Wily as a near draw(albeit Eggman at the time didn't have Infinite or Sage, and Sonic was overall considered a lot weaker. Still). Wily built his forces to compliment eachothers weaknesses and work well as a unified fighting force while Eggman didn't. Hence both the grunt vs grunt and Ace Robots vs Robot Masters fights favored Wily, his forces individually weaker could work together better.
The difference in that fight is unlike Bowser(who was personally strong enough to deal with anything his army couldn't), Wily had absolutely zero answer to Metal Sonic, even at the time it was understood he could basically solo Wily's army including Super Base. However Roboenza exists, Wily would absolutely use it if the situation was going badly, and at the time Metal Sonic still had a strong disobedience track anyway that hadn't been fixed yet(not that fixing it would stop Roboenza), and Eggman at the time had nothing that could stop Metal Sonic either, hence a draw. Metal Sonic was strong enough to basically solo both of them, Wily had a tool that would make him go rogue(albeit that dooms him too), and it's Eggman's robot. Draw.
@@snickersnacker4502 One of the main universal rules listed in the credits of every episode is that combatants don’t know each other prior to the start of the fight (unless said otherwise for special cases, usually them knowing each other in their own canon) and that results in no prep time, so there’s no reason they should have brought it up. As you said, prep time is its own can of worms that Death Battle rightly avoids.
The premise of the show is dropping combatants in the same area, then having them fight with the things they have used in canon and seeing which one wins. To my knowledge, Eggman doesn’t have the ability to design robots on the fly and somehow have them built and deployed near instantaneously, which is what he would need for something like that to have an impact on this format. I’m not going to disagree on the possibility that Eggman could build something to counter Bowser and his army but that would be more applicable in a larger scale and drawn-out war scenario, which I think breaches out of the realm of versus debates and into fanfiction.
And as a personal aside, I find prep time to be disingenuous in versus debates because it is almost always used when it will give someone’s preferred side a significant advantage.
Sage didn't even have to be in the area to Do something
@@Ogiga99 Mkay! Didn't know that was there stance on that. I did mention it was its own can of worms so I can completely understand and respect that stance and preference. I can see it being worth considering personally, but I'm not going to base an entire argument around it.
Nux: ARE YOU REALLY INCLUDING THE THING THAT THE CHARACTER DID IN CANON MEDIA AHHHHHH
Me:🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
He literally said he’s an Eggman stand. Of course he’s upset that Bowser is clearly more powerful than Eggman
“Nux do you really want to ignore everything? That is correct.”
@@maxspecs Dude accepted SUPER EGGMAN from a small instance in a comic, but denies Bowser and most of the dark magic like he’s never done it consistently.
@@juliofigueroa5567 if they used the egg wizard or time eater Bowser would be just a pile of (Magic) dust, they also completely ignored the abismal speed gap between Sonic characters and Mario characters
Also, saying that Bowser is "clearly" more powerfull than eggman is just saying that you dont know anything about eggman with extra steps
Bruh, the Egg wizards creates quakes and controls lava, that’s barely magic and far below Eggman’s other abilities. As for speed, Eggman’s mechs aren’t as fast as you’d perceive them. None of them are at Sonic’s speed since Sonic easily catches up to them and bashes them constantly so they are FAR slower than that. Plus most of them can’t use their more powerful attacks while moving at higher speeds, so they have to be at a more closer range at a lower speed. And for time eater, well that’s also bullshit if you won’t allow Bowser to also pull instant win bullshit, time based attacks are countered, and like they said the trump items are a total waste of time to interpret. Wish granting stars and reality warping gemstones, it’s not even a category to bother with.
Bowser may have conquered the universe
but has he pissed on the moon while cussing out Obama
You wouldn’t think it, but actually yes.
Wait... when???? @@maxspecs
The moon has been to Bowser, pissed on Obama while cussing out the universe
Donkey Kong did
I'm only here to listen to Nux scream how certain things shouldn't be scaled or are misrepresented. "There's no way they're taking that so literally". That's the point for the past hundreds of battles.
I only clicked this because Nux didn’t call this a one-sided massacre in the title.
True
It's a surprisingly close matchup where each side as a ton of arguments for winning, and death battle even stated as much, even if they did a poor job at getting that point across.
Yes, Nux. They are taking these feats done in canon games literally. That’s what they can canonically do.
well in all honesty, i'm not sure how literal these feats are meant to be measured within the canon themselves. I don't necessarily think that nintendo or sega are putting to much stock into these types of abilities when they are making games. however, for death battle, it makes sense as to why they would take every feat literal during their analysis, since that's the whole appeal.
What says it's canon?
@@ItsB1998 Nintendo????
@@keybordsmsh07 Where did they say that?
@ mf it’s literally their game.
Been waiting for this metal sonic be carrying
same
Who would win?
A Jackal with cosmic dimension breaking powers or
One Big Spikey Block Boi
a jackal turning up gravity massively
or
one big spikey boi falling on head
URGH
Funny thing is that Infinite had the most on-screen kills in the animation XD
Funny thing is, this isn't even the first time Infinite got destroyed by Thwomp in a Bowser VS Eggman animation. Everyone just agrees that's the level of respect he deserves.
Poor Infinite, getting the Silver treatment for the sins of his game rather than his own actions, lol.
The Phantom Ruby's ability is essentially Psychosomatic Illusions. Illusions so powerful thry can be tangible, cause physical effects, and interact with the environment. That's honestly how I understand it.
While both survived Black Holes, as much as I love Eggman, Eggman only survives IN HIS VEHICLE. Bowser tanks everything on his own. Magic altering things screws Eggman over constantly as its a variable he cant contend with without Chaos Powers.
I think it would have been a closer fight had they had Sage give Eggman Chaos Control. Eggman being able to make his thoughts into reality would have made Bowser have to really pull out his best Magic.
How would Eggman even be able to use Chaos Control? Besides, Bowser has resisted time-stops before, they even mention it during his analysis in a black-box in the top right at 6:11.
@atpid_cos ...Did you miss the part where they mention Super Eggman? Which is literally when Eggman uses the Chaos Emeralds together to get the same buff as Super Sonic/Super Neo Metal Sonic?
I didn't say Eggman wins. I said it would be a closer fight.
@@nytecrow6452 Super Eggman was from using the _Phantom Ruby,_ not the Chaos Emeralds, which still requires a great deal of prepwork and--as mentioned--can be countered with the Wonder Flower.
The thing is, it is a close matchup, and Death battle even said that a few times in the episode. They just got that point across poorly.
@@arlenfreeman3439 That version of Eggman used the Ruby, but there have been times throughout the cartoons, games, and more where he has used Chaos Powers through the Emeralds to warp reality.
I am not saying the Flower isn't better. It never needed to be used in this fight as portrayed. But they could have expanded it by having Eggman give up on Technical Supremacy and move to a literal battle of Intellect vs Magic via Chaos Power vs Bowser's World Magic.
Here’s the thing, Bowser goes by cartoon logic, AKA the Anything goes tier when his powers are generated. Egg man tried to remain in logic.
Y'all just say anything
I find it funny how Bowser's Army being able to work together and cover weaknesses(King Boo's immunity to illusions and gravity plus his magic powers perfectly countered Infinite) even if none of them were on the level of Sage or Metal Sonic was so important because more or less that's the exact same reason they deemed Eggman Vs Wily as a near draw in 2011(albeit Eggman at the time didn't have Infinite or Sage, and Sonic was overall considered a lot weaker. Still).
Wily built his forces to compliment eachothers weaknesses and work well as a unified fighting force while Eggman didn't. Hence both the grunt vs grunt and Ace Robots vs Robot Masters fights favored Wily, his forces individually weaker could work together better, exploiting and covering weaknesses is his whole thing.
The difference in that fight is unlike Bowser(who was personally strong enough to deal with anything his army couldn't), Wily had absolutely zero answer to Metal Sonic, even at the time it was understood he could basically solo Wily's army including Super Base. However Roboenza exists, Wily would absolutely use it if the situation was going badly, and at the time Metal Sonic still had a strong disobedience track anyway that hadn't been fixed yet(not that fixing it would stop Roboenza), and Eggman at the time had nothing that could stop Metal Sonic either, hence a draw. Metal Sonic was strong enough to basically solo both of them, Wily had a tool that would make him go rogue(albeit that dooms him too), and it's Eggman's robot. Draw.
Bowser won for the same reason Wily drawed, better teamwork and covering weaknesses instead of solo fighters. Only difference is Bowser is strong enough to put down Metal Sonic.
Nux has consumed so much Twitter brainrot that now every topic he tackles is a "situation"
Fr, I don’t have twitter but is this death battle really that problematic? Last I checked most people seemed to like it. Even those who disagreed with the outcome at least thought the animation was peak.
Actually scratch that, I can totally believe twitter would still be mad at that.
@@cantmakeacreativename2072apparently so, there are the Toxic Sonic fans that are like disregarding and trying to debunk the fight (even several people here on UA-cam), I just backed off because it was so annoying.
I mean yeah the Phantom Ruby is broken but their point is that while it's perception based reality warping, Bowser has a counter in being able to warp actual reality so he could just say No to the Ruby's effects.
Funny enough, he didn't even need Kamek for the (obviously rigged) Chance Time (he has his own variant too), they both could steal the Ruby or even the Emeralds with regular magic. They just wanted it to be flashy in the animation.
@@Magma-Idiot-2001 Pretty sure the Emeralds are immune to those types of hax, same with transmutation (while not outright immune to transmutation, they function and act exactly the same as they normally do, meaning there's no benefit to transmuting them). Though I don't think the phantom ruby has the same types of hax/reality warping resistances.
@@magnitudex4347 I wasn't saying they could be mutated, I was saying that Bowser and Kamek could yoink them.
@@magnitudex4347 now my mind, thinking of chaos frogs -_-
@@ajm2487 Truly, the ultimate life form.
The animator Moro even asked for extra work because he got bored and that is the origin of the extra animations in the explanation
Honestly, massive respect for Moro regardless of how ya feel bout the actual fight o7
The people that are mad at this make it 10 times better. I’ve had the opportunity to be able to listen to some dude rant 30 minutes long about how infinite could crush a thwomp or whatever. Completely disregarding the circumstances of the fight or the fact Death Battle said the fight can go 100000 different ways. I swear Sonic fans are something else. I’ve seen multiple sonic animation creators upset about the outcome and I’m just laughing my ass off. It’s just a cool animation bro.
even more so them ignoring *why* they used a thwomp...both for that is the level of disrespect infinite deserves but more importantly...he turned the gravity up. Boo just laughed and said 'aight bet'
Agreed, this was fucking amazing, no doubt in my mind that it is the best Death Battle they’ve done, loved every second of it! My favorite part (which I still get goosebumps from) is when Metal hurts Bowser’s son… IN FRONT OF HIM!!! Then proceeds to get backhanded, and overpowered by the pure RAGE infused Fury Bowser with a Grand Star on top… that shit was just gorgeous, and the blast creating a Black Hole was just sprinkles on top really
@@Void_Ghost_Beelz Will admit I was expecting to get a similar moment from Eggman for a bit. Sage getting hurt leading to a Dad V Dad moment just protecting their kids while the armies stop to watch the end of the fight o7
Sonic fans are some of the most humorless and annoying people in the vs battle community, so it makes me really happy whenever their character loses (unless it's my goat Metal) because God they're ANNOYING.
I'm a Sonic fan, and while I was surprised that Bowser won, I understood why after they went through the 5 categories at the end, but I was never mad at the outcome
I think eggman could have won but generally I agree that bowser wins most times. Like a 6/4 ratio. Bowser wins 6 out of 10 times and eggman wins the other 4.
Yeah that's fair honestly
I see it more like this: A single battle like this, Bowser definitely wins, but in an actual, prolonged war where Eggman can be strategic, Eggman wins for sure
@@zavexcapricious2519yeah eggman can just keep churning out troops and he is a master of strategy, bowser’s forces are limited and he lacks the smarts for a prolonged war. But the scenario is focused more on a single battle.
Give Eggman prep time, and he wins like 70% of the time in my opinion. Though prep time isn't allowed in death battle, so...
@@ERBanmech Bowser has ways of inflating his army size aswell through the use of Magic, and has multiple people who can perform that task. Though Eggman has the phantom ruby copies/prototypes to create clones. On top of the fact that his army is generally cheap to produce, especially modern versions since he doesn't need to use animals.
“NOOOO you cant take it literally!! Its not like it happened blatantly on screen, wasn’t portrayed as a gag, is literally part of the plot and story, and isnt an outlying feat by any means!!”
Like, where the hell do you draw the line at what you can and cant scale? At what you find convenient?
I love when DB takes powers literal because it pisses off the losers stans whom are fine with if being used for their guy.
As if this episode wasn't goated enough, the backing track's vocals were done by Victor "Bury The Light" Borba.
I love how people use Bury the Light as his middle name.
Knew it sounded familiar
Eggman always loses the first time, then comes back with a machine that directly counters what beat him last time and wins. He's the king of rematches.
And they did amongus vs fallguys because they spent all their money on Bowser vs Eggman, obviously. The one after that will be sock puppets.
Nah, they probably just think it's fun to do a meme matchup
@@minihatsunemikufan They don't want to have to compete with the peak they just dropped, so it'll be less serious to compensate for the absolute cinema they created for this battle.
If I recall correctly, it's a community voted match-up. So regardless how ridiculous it seems, its what the people want.
@@acrab6527 honestly I think it bowser knows he’s coming back again. He’s just gonna get the Dreamstone and if he has that it doesn’t matter how many rematches you throw at Bowser he still gonna win. Erasure is erasure it doesn’t care how strong you are are you made of matter congratulations you can be erased
Honestly, it's good that the next death battle is alot less intense. We all need a more low down one after the raw awesomeness that was Bowser vs Eggman.
The idea that this is the best Death Battle ever is pretty widely shared by most of the internet
I like how Nux always is in the side that loses
Yeah, this was a 'catching lightning in a bottle' moment, lol. Moro animating it was definitely a big boon, but they actually put a good amount of effort into the explanation compared to other ones, lol. I will say however on the 'conquest of the universe' thing vs the planet respectively, Eggman had to fight a lot of Sonic Characters that were holding their own, while there was no one with Mario's strength to stop Bowser I think. Could be wrong, haven't played it in forever.
Eggman also has no desire to conquer the universe. He really only wants to create eggman land and prove that he's superior to sonic by destroying him
Where would sonic colors fall in this since Eggman did capture and enslave an entire race of aliens in that game while also setting up a theme park in space around the planet. (I forget if he brought the planets too or if that was part of what he built himself)
((And, did they give any attention to how the the planet and the park actually connected aside from elevator? I forgot tbh))
Bowser may have won, but Eggman’s presentation was so much better. Every new thing he brought to the battlefield was cooler than the last. I was rooting for him the entire time.
In their defense when you drop an 11 out of 10 episode, it only makes sense to follow up with the joke episode.
When he skipped the AD under 10 seconds is how I be when watching deathbattle!
The fact that Mario is able to beat Bowser just proves how busted Mario is.
Eggman couldn't have gone super mode because the ruby was destroyed
There are 2 phantom rubies the prototype infinite has and the real one Eggman has. Infinite and his ruby were consumed by Eggmans by the end of Forces
@starkiller1289 then he forgot to use it
As for a more meta reason, Super Eggman didn't exist at the time when production started on the episode, and this wasn't something like adding an additional death for Jean Grey during the editing of Raven vs Phoenix. Because believe it or not, the episode was originally supposed to be part of Season 10 but got delayed for some fairly obvious reasons.
@@thecursed_1lordofcats738 MØRO animated the alternate scenarios, one of which shows Eggman's "Light-Man" form being countered by Bowser using the Wonder Flower abilities he got when he became Castle Bowser.
@atpid_cos fair, but that was something he asked to do after the rest of the animation was done. Same with the rest of the alternate scenarios shown during the conclusion.
Less than 1 minute crew, LES GO!
Eggman's top trump cards are Metal Sonic, Sage and Infinite. The rest of his robots are "yes man"s
Bowser's tops is Kamek, King Boo and Junior. But his army is coordinated, flexible and combined to cover weaknesses. Plus all of the members of the Koopa kingdom can use ALL the power up items, whilst only Sage and Metal could use the emeralds
Nah cause i was like, "Easy Egghead wins he deals with supersonic whos a universal threat! (Brain: Super Mario Galaxy) Wait...ok but Sonic generations? (Brain: a good couple of mario rpgs...)..shhiiiii"
For every Sonic 06, there's 3 Mario RPGs
@@Five_FingersofDeathLiterally in this case.
Infinite bends reality will
Reality bends at king’s boo will
I loved how they added alternate ending at the end for things they didn’t use during the fight
As many said in the og video, Metal Sonia's crash out after failing chance time is justified. Bro lost that bs and went Neo.
"Anytime there is anything even slightly super saiyan related... they lose"
Not true Broly beat Hulk, Shadow beat Ryuko, Metal Sonic beat Dr. Eggman & Dr. Wily, and Vegeta beat Shadow
"Thay love sonic characters" Haven't thay literally only had like four kids with sonic and only one of them has a win with shadow vs ryuko?
There’s 13 Sonic episodes
And even then, it's still a loss cause Shadow had to kill his favourite character.
Silver vs Trunks?
Luigi vs Tails? The original Mario vs Sonic? Eggman vs Willy?
Sonic has had way more episodes than that, and they've won quite a bit. Mario VS Sonic (2011), Eggman VS Wily, Luigi VS Tails, Amy VS Ramona, Shadow VS Ryūko, and Trunks VS Silver. Also, just to be clear, the literal creator of the show grew up specifically with Sonic and loves the franchise. Just because a series loses doesn't mean the team hates that franchise, and this mindset is extremely dumb because it contradicts itself all the time. Like when they were called Sega fanboys after the first two Mario VS Sonic episodes, but became Nintendo fanboys after DK VS Knuckles.
“I’ll crush you!” From metal sonic is a fun refrence to Super Mario Bros. Z! Ya love to see it!
What I especially like about this fight is that they went into deeper detail in the alternate scenarios, preparing for all the “erm acthmually’s” the fan base was going to throw at them.
Miyamoto in person said how all of Mario is canon except hotel Mario (but contradictions are counted as parallel universes) like all paper Mario’s until super paper Mario
Metal Transforms, drops the coldest line of the episode, kicks Bowser in the chest.
Poor Bowser all he wants to do hang out with his family and his true love Peach and that mustached menace always ruining everything, Mario is the true villain. Also if it came down to Eggman vs Bowser without the armies Bowser would win without question.
So far the Sonic Series has gotten only 6 Victories and the victors were
(Amy Rose vs Ramona Flowers) Amy Rose
(Xeno Trunks vs Archie Silver) Archie Silver
(Shadow vs Ryuko) Shadow
(Mario vs Sonic 2011) Sonic
(Luigi vs Tails) Tails
(Eggman vs Wily) Metal Sonic
Wasn't Eggman Vs. Wily actually a Tie?
@@moronichybrid Metal Sonic killed both.
Peach isn't kidnapped because she's weak, she's kidnapped because people care about her
Funnily enough, that's typically why it's a "damsel". Their lives hold more value.
gotta tell chibi theres another bowser video
Every time Nux has us look at the title to figure out his thoughts it's neither of the given options
This has been the least rigged fight in a while
The fights aren’t rigged
Still think the funny part was somewhere it was mentioned that infinite didnt actually die from the thwomp, he just teleported out of there, bro got clowned on so hard he had to take the entire fight out to contemplate his existence
You could call this Bowser vs Metal Sonic and no one would know the difference.
Metal Sonic was useless, Sage and Eggman did all the work
@@luleysokarey3882Me when I spread misinformation:
@@luleysokarey3882bud did we wach the same thing? Metal sonic was carrying they lost the second metal died
My guy, Metal sonic single handedly took out King Boo, Kamek, and Bowser Jr.
@@ArynBacklogDragonBut he kinda fucked up when he did the last one… right in front of his dad… which was already in Fury form
Bowser in his Fury form was the strongest non-super character on screen, so Metal had to go super just to go against him, but when he hurt Jr. that rage plus the Grand Star skyrocketed Bowser’s strength from the base of his Fury form, which would be stronger than Super Neo-Metal… but in all honesty, I just loved the fight in general
Hell! Metal has not been this epic since ever! His slow walk as he transforms into Neo before absolutely shitting on Bowser with that kick was insane!!!
3:36 (Wheeze hahaha-ing) HE COOKED! This is original god tier creativity.
19:06 fun fact: this metal virus story arc first started in early 2019 but went all throughout 2020. A story where Eggman created a virus that caused a global pandemic and nearly destroyed the world. Quite unfortunate timing, but if anything that seem to only boost the people’s emotional attachment to the story, so I guess it all worked out in the end
20:20
regarding the wiki thing on the multiversal stuff due to super sonic beating him.
wasnt sonic holding back?
Most likely, he never usually goes for the kill on Eggman unless Tails is killed or something.
0:30 the rest of the Kirby lore “am I a joke to you”
0:58 you were incorrect on both.
There's also the ark which can piss on the moon apparently. Welcome the tilted towers of the Sonic fandom everybody.
You should take these events literally in these battles. That is how you power scale
Nux seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how DB works, but only when its the character he's not backing
Kamek the goat Ngl, single-handedly fucked up Metal via Mario part 💀
to be honest, the fact metal sonic is even helping eggman is a bit of a stretch, because isn't metal sonic's entire thing he ONLY wants to fight sonic, and will actively betray eggman to do that, i don't see why metal sonic wouldn't just...abandon the fight the moment it becomes clear sonic has nothing to do with it.
infinite losing to his own gravity manipulation is a plausible scenario, especially considering its confirmed infinite didn't actually lose, but was just in shock he got hit. i totally get why people don't like it though.
i think the fact eggman sucks at loyalty would probably be a bigger factor to how bowser would win, infinite and metal sonic would likely betray him.
man is just crumpled beneath that thwomp. in the yamcha pose. questioning his life choices after losing yet again to his own damn power.
In the IDW Comics Eggman reprogrammed Metal to be 100% loyal to him after the whole situation with Neo Metal before. In fact, Neo Metal even took over Eggman’s army when Eggman went missing and had the sole intention of taking over the world in Eggman’s name. He’s loyal.
@@beef3442 oh, im sorry i didn't know that.
@@someGuy-kl7cbIt’s also worth pointing out that even in Sonic Heroes, Metal just locked Eggman away when he took over, he never tried killing Eggman even though FF he easily could have.
Metal might be a little rebellious, but he doesn’t hate Eggman
metal sonic: you betray your boss ONE TIME among however many games and SUDDENLY that's your ENTIRE PERSONALITY!
The moment they lost the Ruby it was game over.
Facts
They're taking _every_ thing (that is official (at the time)) literally, Nux. This has been a thing for years.
Edit: VS Battle wiki fandom is not a really reliable source, since more often than not they included implicitly non-canon sources...
To be fair even if Infinite wasn't beaten by king boo and the madlad had two phantom rubies the outcome would've be the same, with kamek's dark magic he could swap those items again and again not only that BOWSER, BOWSER JR. AND HIS 7 KOOPALINGS (Iggy, Larry, Lemmy, Ludwig, Morton, Roy and Wendy). could do something against infinite and metal sonic.
The animation is so good that the video need 2 sponsors
I'm desperately hoping that Among vs Fall Guys will be as peak as this one, because that would be the funniest thing ever
I kind of wish Nux would pause to read the corner notes. Those tend to soften the blows sometimes.
Also... maybe take a look at every Death Battle winner so far before saying things like, "This franchise never wins!" when around half of the fights featuring said franchise does indeed have wins, and "This condition means an instant loss!" when... that simply ain't true.
Best Death Battle, legitimately, 15/10 they came back STRONK
Even though the final Eggman bot was destroyed.. it was only destroyed by someone who could fight on the 6th dimensional plain which is more than anything bowser can output.
I hope Nux notices the V-Tuber edit in Eggman’s segment
Huh
@@ajm2487 during the scene talking about eggman being a loner it shows eggman watching Korone in her sonic costume
@ajm2487 there's a moment where Boom Eggman is watching a hologram and Korone is edited on it. It's a real blink and you'll miss it moment
Nux, I cannot TELL you how much of an impact you’ve had on my life. You legit inspired me to be ME! No masking, just my own weird self!
Thank you. 💙
Who let Moro cook 😂
Death Battle, and I'm happy that they did.
It is so good my eyes feel like
👁️👄👁️
I was waiting for this reaction specifically jaja, nice
I love the fact that they included alternate scenarios.
Dude loved your reaction and the battle was insane, plus the music went so hard, but bro I have a great battle for you to react to look up superman vs hulk and you will not be disappointed, the animator went all out with this project and it shows
Bowser in a tank top: This ain't an army it's a family.
"He Who Koops & Breaks the Egg Lives to Koop Another Day"
Can we talk about the fact that Death Battle called Bowser an "evil king" seconds after describing how he's against racism?
35:10 I get genuine goosebumps and chills here. The music, the fact that Bowser Jr gets badly wounded here, all combined with how you know Bowser will respond to seeing his son get hurt like that gives me chills.
I love when nux watches a show about vs debates and is shocked when they discus the characters feats... 10/10 i wish i could only like and subscribe twice
2:37 to be fair, Mario murders hundreds of koopas, goombas, insectoids and literal ghosts in like, every game. And I'm also including every single brick block he breaks because they are all sealed away toads. Meaning each coin Mario gets from breaking blocks is the belongings of those dead toad. He's not only a murderer, but also a corpse robber...
The egg pod can withstand black holes, not eggman, he’s a flesh and blood man
I thought it was KSI that went off on having an IQ of 1 8 9 😅😂
The battle animation was dope.
Was waiting for this since I saw the fight when it came out, IT'S SHOWTIME
I gotta get a load of this.
The SALT 😂😂😂😂
His chair survived a black how eggman was in it and super eggman is super hard to manifest and the only time he pooled it off it’s was at least partly luck
Bowser Jr.'s expression at the end just screams "You f'ed around... now you're about to find out..."
I really hope Nux reacts to Game Apologists' Sonic IDW Comics (which are canon to the games) Speed Reading series , and Lowart's coverage of Archie Sonic.
I think the best way to explain the army perspective is that because the koopa troop genuinely work to counter eachothers weaknesses and can help them adapt to the egg armada's strategies. And eggman's army being just robots means they won't really adapt to any oncoming strategies mid fight. So it really becomes an entire army vs a few powerful shitflingers like Metal Sonic, who Bowser himself has no trouble dealing with.
“Anything is possible with the power of friendship!”
Nux: **ROBOT SLAVES!**
Nuxanor: i dont believe in the power of friendship!
chat: and that is why you lose...
I think the battle is fair. Only thing I would say different is Armies is a tie. Even so, Bowser still wins
ALSO WITH THE POWER OF FREINDSHIP Eggman's ARMY IS ALL CONNECTED BY PROGAM!
😮❤ This was just awesome!!!!!! 🎉🎉❤❤