I wonder if they didn't go bankrupt, maybe the gap between them and Bayern will not be huge? Now, Bayern has 100m+ more in wage bill, 200m+ more in revenue. It's nearly impossible for Dortmund to chase.
The 12-13 campaign could’ve changed things a bit if they won the ucl. But instead, the next season the team fell off with Gotze sale, sad lewandowski, sad Klopp, Subotic injured, Weidenfeller becoming trash. And their signings were decent, but fell short and some of them didn’t even adapt till next season.
Rb leipzig had the same situation but they are in a better position than dortmund now but who knows Last season manager defender and captain all left for bayern
Dortmund have no professional goals anymore apart from maximizing shareholder profit while ripping of their fans. Hilarious club that has nothing to do with serving club values, they buy cheap talents instead and cash in the profit and the efficient Leipzig are slowly taking over
1) They didn’t go bankrupt 2) No the wage bill and revenue stuff wouldn’t have changed. Historically Bayern has always been a bigger club. Gladbach was far more competitive with Bavaria and Dortmund ever were.
We as a Club will forever be indebted to Aki Watzke for what he managed to achieve with the club in not only sporting success but financial stability. Without him, Borussia Dortmund 100% would not exist today.
Haha Watzke rips you off big time. What do you think about forcing the players to play the Monaco match no matter what after the bus attack? He wants your money and you are more than happy to give it to him while throwing club values under the bus. 2 domestic cups in 10 years and the dream with young talents who can hardly wait to leave the club after two years. Even Wolfsburg does better
@@gergelybodi3728 well, you really can't always keep your big talent in the club It's not like haaland will always be a dortmund player There is much in consideration with that, but i will let you find out yourself before you embarass yourself in the internet again
@@natsudama4604 it's not about sometimes not being able to keep them. Dembele, Sancho, Diallo all these guys went on a strike or complaining to the press because they wanted to force a move away, Haaland also never made a secret of it that he doesn't rate the sporting prospects at Dortmund, all je wanted is attacking midfielders servicing him which is exactly what the BVB is doing until they come against quality opposition.
Their business model is better now and they earn enough money to avoid another crisis like that, but they sacrefice their sporting success for that. You can see that with every year that comes and it just gets worse. Yes they got a lot of money for Dembele, Sancho and will for Haaland/Bellingham but the best players will leave the club, while the "bad" players will stay because of their high salary while not be able to sell them. They have to find a balance between money and sucess, because Leipzig and even Leverkusen could get the 2nd spot in the Bundesliga if Dortmund needs an transition year to integrate Adeyemi for Haaland for example,
@@Tailor-DKS another reason why they rarely fail their “2nd place run” every season is because other teams won’t spend money on “getting 2nd place”. No one wants to spend on their league success, being afraid of not making it. Instead, teams do one or two decent signings and try to reach European competitions, and once in those competitions, they spend a little bit more to make money back from them, and then they sell players for a better value. Of course, this makes their transition harder than when Dortmund does it because they already have better players available.
This is not to fault anyone for not using the ö,ä and ü letters in german names, but in german there exists an easy and official way around those letters: you can write ä as ae, ö as oe and ü as ue. The meaning stays the same and it would be the correct spelling instead of not using it. For example Moeller instead of Moller. Great video.
@@chuckcarter5741 This doesn't work for me, but I have my own work around for it since I use a lot of accented vowels. Not sure if it would work with a UK keyboard, on Windows just change the keyboard to United States-International, then you can add accents by pressing the quotations mark, then the letter you want accented
@@bri1085 oh really? personally I’ve never had an issue with it but then again the only “non English keyboard” characters I use are ä,ë and ü. it can get a bit funky when using different programs tho haha
Football fans consider Dortmund as an unambitious because of selling their key players but the truth is wealthy european clubs can come here and offer a player drooling amount of money later on we ended up losing our player. They can offer bewitching 500k per week which would fill out our whole starting eleven. Financially we can't compete against them that's all.
I wouldn’t say they’re unambitious but they didn’t do themselves favours by selling / letting players go directly to Bayern. At least they’ve learnt their lesson with selling Sancho out of the league and haaland possibly doing that as well
@@tombardsley3081 You either sell them and get a transfer fee or they will run down their contract and join Bayern anyway. We wanted Lewandowski to go to Madrid but he choose Bayern. Götze and Hummels ideally we would have sold to foreign clubs as well but they wanted to stay in Germany. Bayern have the pull of Barcelona/Madrid in Germany most young kids want to play for them. If you are outside of Germany many dont understand why so many players leave clubs like Sch*ke or Werder on a free/transfer to Bayern
@@jordandufner2197 it didn’t stop you from keeping someone like Reus in his prime despite interest from other clubs. Gotze was a release clause , Lewandowski was a free so those was different situations. Also trying to sell him to real was a bit silly since they already had Ronaldo and Benzema up front plus had just signed Bale. They didn’t need another striker. You can’t keep selling to Bayern though as the gap to beat them will continue to be there if you want to beat them in the league unless the recruitment to replace players is excellent (has been a bit hit and miss the last couple of seasons post sancho and haaland). I’m not singling Dortmund out for this. Leipzig did the same thing this season with upemecano and sabitzer despite interest from the premier league for upemecano for fees larger than what Bayern paid.
@@tombardsley3081 Reus choose to stay with us. He is not a example you can use as there have been numerous others that have left us in their prime. Loyalty is a rarity in football not something that is common. Götze did indeed have a release clause. That however does not stop foreign clubs from activating it,which is what we tried to do. Real made contact with us about Lewandowski despite already having insane attacking depth. Lastly I don't need a lecture from someone who doesn't follow this club, to the level that I do, on how to beat Bayern. You speak as if we are still selling to them,when the last time we did was in 2016. Watzke also stated that we would no longer sell to them post 2016.
@@jordandufner2197 contact but never really went into serious talks about signing him. And that’s good that you’ve stopped selling to Bayern now. You recognised that was part of the problem as to why Bayern have been keeping their advantage. It’s a shame that you had to sell players first to them before realising that despite teams in the past like Werder and Schalke getting weaker by that same method and Leipzig falling into that as well after you. I can understand selling to them if you’re not a serious contender to them but if you’re trying to beat them, selling to them is just giving them more advantages unless you make them pay ridiculous amounts like atletico made Barcelona pay for Griezmann
@@crystalz-h1d Dude. While at Dortmund he beat Bayern twice for the title and he got the all time scoring record for Dortmund in one season. That Klopp team was arguably one of the best teams ever in the Bundesliga
@@m.aununu.musaffa7466 They are second biggest club in Germany, 13th richest in the world and arguably have the best Football stadium in the world. Bvb are not in the mud
@@jprme7588 I use jacq term... im sure he mean infield aspect, like just go 16round champion league and gap with bayern, although still doing good in dfb pokal
You didn't mention the last game of the 2002-03 season. Dortmund needed a win at home against the already relegated Cottbus to qualify for the Champions League group stages...They fail (1-1), then knocked out at the qualifing rounds...Maybe history was very different if they had won that game.
This is a good example of what an amazing manager Jurgen Klopp truly is. He is not only able to make teams win trophies but also establish a solid framework and template that succeeding managers will ultimately follow - how Dortmund plays today owes a lot to Klopp's philosophy. Without Klopp, BVB will not or probably take a lot longer to be back in the map.
While Bayern maybe saw it as an opportunity to take advantage of PR headliners, Dortmund definitely used that chance to pay the wages and maintain the boat afloat. While it is not much, every single drop helped, and while I am a Bayern fan, I truly admire how they have enriched german football. I truly wished that Leverkusen, Schalke, Bremen, Hamburg, Monchengladbach and Dortmund regained their peak performance that made me fall in love with german football in the late 2000’s. All the sides were at top of their game locally and internationally. It is sad to see how Bayern ravaged much of the teams and a lot have been unable to recover. Dortmund has always been a team for which I feel bittersweet, that honorable opponent than rather from being an enemy, is actually an ally who fights to keep us getting better.
Most of the transfers mentioned were actually very good deals, I think Dortmund always knew how to find talents in the transfer market, it's the whole Bundesliga structure that confined them
Ah amoroso there's a name I haven't seen in a long time. But I remember him as one of the best strikers for the first couple of seasons in FM 01-02 of course players like to medira would be better than him but you'd have to wait like 4 years for that
Hope you ever do that video about the resurrection of Dortmund. It is not just about Klopp also about van Marwijk and especially the work behind the scenes by the directors.
Sounds so much like the tale of fiscal mismanagement at Leeds United, but with a very different outcome. Alas, Leeds never found their Watzke or Klopp, instead enduring successive demotions and a succession of terrible owners from which they have never fully recovered.
Visual masterpiece to go with a head spinning story. Chef's kiss to the scrolling timeline visualization. Also pertinently timed when taken in context of recent talks to do away with 50+1. Well played, lads & ladette. Well played indeed.
The yellow team that could, probably one of the only hope in beating Bayern in German domestic titles. It's been more than 10 years since they won their first league title, the Klopp factor.
Bayern are lacking defensively, Dortmund will strengthen their defense and getting some great attacking talent...if bayern fumble about again like they did this season Dortmund actually have a shot next year.
Honestly there is something to that. When players are used to winning big trophies and then that stops happening the players can easily end up unmotivated and arguing among each other. That happened to Dortmund when stars like Amoroso and Rosicky suddenly didn't win anymore, that's why Klopp had to come in and completely rebuild the team. Now it has happened to ManU which is why Rangnick, who was a Bundesliga coach back then and knows all about the story, advises ManU to do the same kind of rebuild.
Before i watched the video, i didn’t know how bad the situation really was. Now as i reflect on the video, they were so mismanaged that it defied logic what the leadership at the time were doing in the club. It was as if they were spending money to try to be with the big boys of Europe when in reality, they were a glitch in the matrix who shouldn’t have been that successful in that time period. Mind you the fact that their champions league title victory was a miracle and a great achievement but what followed was terrible spending, short term vision, awful decision making and things going wrong. It’s a good thing they had their issues resolved because they wouldn’t have had the success they had in the early to mid 2010s.
Yeah success is hard to maintain in football. If you win the league or even the Champions League you can't just spend the whole money for new players, because you have to pay a lot because of contract bonus payments plus you have to pay more for players wage and for new players because every club knows you have the money because of the success. And if you can't maintain the success, for example when you fail to qualify for the CL now, it could cause more harm than good for the club. So would you invest more to get successful again or save the money in case it won't work. It's just a vicious cycle for many clubs.
Their champions league run was not a miracle, they just beat their opponents. And looking at the scores, it was quite an easy campaign for them, their rivals didn’t even try, specially Juventus considering they demolished Ajax prior playing Dortmund. I suppose it’s not surprise, Juventus are an embarrassment when it comes to European cups
@@jprme7588 where’s their champions league then? Even Porto won one lol They spent 90M to sign Higuaín and have had Morata twice on their team, and they even agreed to shady deals with Bartomeu. I don’t think they know what they are doing.
@@TheThirdWorldCitizen Juventus has 2 champions league trophies, in the final against Dortmund they were literally the defending the champions. They also have 3 uefa cups (europa league) and 2 uefa super cups
@@TheSense13 that’s not really how debt works tho innit. Barca is over 1 billion euros in debt, yet they aren’t filing for bankruptcy. The loan from the Bavarians allowed Dortmund to pay their salaries, pay something towards their corporate taxes (of which they owed €5mil), and utilities and public transportation. They had enough operating cash inflow to get key creditors off their backs for a time. The loan was interest free as well.
@@1Matik_ come on, everybody knows, that these 2 mio. were just a drop in the ocean - yet Bayern fans always insist on having saved Borussia Dortmund. Well, they also insist on Uli Hoeneß beeing such an awesome and honest business man, as well as KH Rummenigge, Franz Beckenbauer and Mr. Dreyer... 😅🙈 Apart from that, it was a very short-term deal (only one month) and part of that was paid back a few months later with a rather high interest rate and Bayern secured the right to buy Frings... so it was neither saving Dortmund nor was it an act of charity.
Haven’t Bayern won the Bayernliga 10 years in a row now? The gap between Bayern and everyone else must be so disheartening for the rest of the Bayernliga.
@@tombardsley3081 in the same time period 6 German teams have won the Bundesliga and probably in the medium term (5-10 years) there will be another winner that isn’t Bayern. I think I can say with a high level of confidence that there will never be a Scottish team that will win the league for 20, 30 maybe 40 years…now that’s disheartening!
“There will never be a Scottish team *outside the old firm* that will win the league” Would be pretty weird if a non Scottish team won the Scottish league.
@@Montycat78 that’s not that many given how many there have been in England in the same time period. There have even been more different premier league winners than the Bundesliga has had in that window. Italy had 7 and at least the title race now is a lot tighter after juventus falling off. France have had 8 even if you discount PSG’s money starting since they won the league twice before then SPL is a very different issue compared to Germany. To me the top division is too small. It really should have a small expansion to 16 teams to avoid the constant 3-4 league games vs every team which could be more depending on the cup draws as well and there’d be a bit more competition. Plus they’ve also had recent issues over club owners given what happened to Rangers 10 years ago and Hearts fairly recently
Kloop is the best manager of all time No pep becouse he managed Barcelona Bayern Munich and Manchester City Rich club Kloop Win trophy's with low Budget team Pep Barca is something that we can forget 😭 Messi 😘 Xavi 😘 Inista 😘 Eto 😘 Villa 😘 Sergio 😘
of all time is a bit of a stretch. I would personally take the likes of Rinus Michels, Alex Ferguson, Valeri Lobanovski, Helenio Herrera, Ernst Happel, Johan Cruijff and probably Matt Busby over Klopp. Not that Klopp is a bad manager, I personally love how he lets his team play, but there are better coaches in history. I probably missed a lot of good coaches in my list too, I don't know all the older ones.
@@Cinematicnorance I was waiting for England or the English league to get mentioned in the comments somewhere. People are obsessed over English football
@@shaun7389 It's the other way around, to be honest. You don't hear La Liga, Serie A or Ligue 1 fans shouting "Bayernliga" or such dumb myths as the one above. It's always just the arrogant and ignorant EPL fanbase. Just look at the comments here, do you think they would be the same if the video was about some random English club? Yet, here they are, the EPL fans, going at it like cockroaches finding something to eat...
Seeing Bayern lending a hand to Dortmund for the health of the national game makes Celtic laughing whilst Rangers went up in smoke look even worse in retrospect.
So if Bayern didnt save Dortmund from been Broke maybe Dortmund could have been relegated in 2006 or 2007,2011 and 2012 bundesliga winners is gonna be leverkusen and Klopp,Reus,Gotze and Gundogan could have go to Leverkusen,Dortmund would have play very bad in 3 liga nowadays
Either u say German Markt or something or You learn to say "deutsche" xD in German and ending e is NOT SILENT. that's why it's porschEEE and not Porsch like Englisch people say xD
@Abdul Raheem We can't offer players the salaries that every plastic club can offer. What choice do you have but to sell, when a player wont extend his contract.
@Abdul Raheem check the history of the top European coaches, it often found that it takes serval clubs and seasons to learn, only in the UK do we dismiss managers so fast, still, he played Celtic so happy to see him fail LOL
nearly lol? with the club's performances and general lack of silverware over the course of the last several seasons, one would be lead to think that they did, in fact, go bankrupt 😂😂 *And no, I am not a Bayern fan for those who may think I'm here trolling. I quite like BVB, but it's so depressing watching this club stuggle over and over again with seemingly no remedy in sight.
@@antlereddruid8359 What do I mean by lack of silverware? Thank you for the question. Allow me to entertain you with an answer. Let's start from 2010. 12 years ago. In the space of 12 years, Borussia Dortmund has won a mere 2 Bundesliga titles. For comparisons sake, Bayern just finished winning their 10th title in a row. Let that sink it for just a moment. 10. Not 9. Not 8. 10. Let's continue. Dortmund have won the DFB Pokal on just three occasions between the present year of 2022, and our start date of 2010. Again, for comparisons sake, Bayern Munich, who as I am sure you're aware, is essentially Dortmund's closet semblance to a rival, have won a grand total of 22 trophies in the past 12 years. These include: 10 Bundesliga titles 2 UEFA Champions League titles 2 UEFA Super Cup titles 2 FIFA Club World Cup titles & 6 DFB Pokal titles In the last 10 years, Dortmund have won a grand total of 5 trophies (8 if you'd like to count their three successes in the 'curtain raiser' of German football, aka, the DFB Super Cup. I am in no way trying to demean BVB. As I stated in my initial comment, I like the club. I lime their fans. But the club is becoming more and more irrelevant in terms of success each and every year. Of course, it doesn't help that Bayern practically buy-up all the competition to themselves. But that's not really an excuse at the end of the day for BVB to have not won at least *1* league title in the last 10 years/seasons. I hope this helped ✌
@@JdDiehl your argument would make more sense if you include all the bundesliga clubs other than bayern. Historically, gladbach is a big club. So as Stuttgart and many more. Also, you Don't include the 50+1 rule, making it harder for any other club to get money if they aren't winning anything. So if you don't win things, you won't get things.
I wonder if they didn't go bankrupt, maybe the gap between them and Bayern will not be huge? Now, Bayern has 100m+ more in wage bill, 200m+ more in revenue. It's nearly impossible for Dortmund to chase.
The 12-13 campaign could’ve changed things a bit if they won the ucl. But instead, the next season the team fell off with Gotze sale, sad lewandowski, sad Klopp, Subotic injured, Weidenfeller becoming trash. And their signings were decent, but fell short and some of them didn’t even adapt till next season.
Rb leipzig had the same situation but they are in a better position than dortmund now but who knows
Last season manager defender and captain all left for bayern
@Abdul Raheem yes
Dortmund have no professional goals anymore apart from maximizing shareholder profit while ripping of their fans. Hilarious club that has nothing to do with serving club values, they buy cheap talents instead and cash in the profit and the efficient Leipzig are slowly taking over
1) They didn’t go bankrupt
2) No the wage bill and revenue stuff wouldn’t have changed. Historically Bayern has always been a bigger club. Gladbach was far more competitive with Bavaria and Dortmund ever were.
We as a Club will forever be indebted to Aki Watzke for what he managed to achieve with the club in not only sporting success but financial stability. Without him, Borussia Dortmund 100% would not exist today.
Haha Watzke rips you off big time. What do you think about forcing the players to play the Monaco match no matter what after the bus attack? He wants your money and you are more than happy to give it to him while throwing club values under the bus. 2 domestic cups in 10 years and the dream with young talents who can hardly wait to leave the club after two years. Even Wolfsburg does better
@@gergelybodi3728 well, you really can't always keep your big talent in the club
It's not like haaland will always be a dortmund player
There is much in consideration with that, but i will let you find out yourself before you embarass yourself in the internet again
@@natsudama4604 it's not about sometimes not being able to keep them. Dembele, Sancho, Diallo all these guys went on a strike or complaining to the press because they wanted to force a move away, Haaland also never made a secret of it that he doesn't rate the sporting prospects at Dortmund, all je wanted is attacking midfielders servicing him which is exactly what the BVB is doing until they come against quality opposition.
Watzke doesn’t care about player welfare.
@@jameslowell9702🤡🤡🤡
Looking at their current policy you can see that they truly learnt from their mistakes
Their business model is better now and they earn enough money to avoid another crisis like that, but they sacrefice their sporting success for that. You can see that with every year that comes and it just gets worse. Yes they got a lot of money for Dembele, Sancho and will for Haaland/Bellingham but the best players will leave the club, while the "bad" players will stay because of their high salary while not be able to sell them. They have to find a balance between money and sucess, because Leipzig and even Leverkusen could get the 2nd spot in the Bundesliga if Dortmund needs an transition year to integrate Adeyemi for Haaland for example,
@@Tailor-DKS true, they need to find a balance on the policy cos the whole point is to win trophies and rn their foot is off that pedal
what have they won?
@@Tailor-DKS another reason why they rarely fail their “2nd place run” every season is because other teams won’t spend money on “getting 2nd place”. No one wants to spend on their league success, being afraid of not making it. Instead, teams do one or two decent signings and try to reach European competitions, and once in those competitions, they spend a little bit more to make money back from them, and then they sell players for a better value. Of course, this makes their transition harder than when Dortmund does it because they already have better players available.
@@andrei19238 dfb pokal?
This is not to fault anyone for not using the ö,ä and ü letters in german names, but in german there exists an easy and official way around those letters: you can write ä as ae, ö as oe and ü as ue. The meaning stays the same and it would be the correct spelling instead of not using it. For example Moeller instead of Moller.
Great video.
True, or alternatively on English keyboards, software allowing, ctrl+shift+a gives you ä and the same with the rest
@@chuckcarter5741 This doesn't work for me, but I have my own work around for it since I use a lot of accented vowels. Not sure if it would work with a UK keyboard, on Windows just change the keyboard to United States-International, then you can add accents by pressing the quotations mark, then the letter you want accented
@@bri1085 oh really? personally I’ve never had an issue with it but then again the only “non English keyboard” characters I use are ä,ë and ü. it can get a bit funky when using different programs tho haha
Actually it‘s Müller or Mueller 😁
@@Pandemonium555 I have meant Andreas Möller mentioned in the video.
Football fans consider Dortmund as an unambitious because of selling their key players but the truth is wealthy european clubs can come here and offer a player drooling amount of money later on we ended up losing our player. They can offer bewitching 500k per week which would fill out our whole starting eleven. Financially we can't compete against them that's all.
I wouldn’t say they’re unambitious but they didn’t do themselves favours by selling / letting players go directly to Bayern. At least they’ve learnt their lesson with selling Sancho out of the league and haaland possibly doing that as well
@@tombardsley3081 You either sell them and get a transfer fee or they will run down their contract and join Bayern anyway. We wanted Lewandowski to go to Madrid but he choose Bayern. Götze and Hummels ideally we would have sold to foreign clubs as well but they wanted to stay in Germany. Bayern have the pull of Barcelona/Madrid in Germany most young kids want to play for them. If you are outside of Germany many dont understand why so many players leave clubs like Sch*ke or Werder on a free/transfer to Bayern
@@jordandufner2197 it didn’t stop you from keeping someone like Reus in his prime despite interest from other clubs. Gotze was a release clause , Lewandowski was a free so those was different situations. Also trying to sell him to real was a bit silly since they already had Ronaldo and Benzema up front plus had just signed Bale. They didn’t need another striker. You can’t keep selling to Bayern though as the gap to beat them will continue to be there if you want to beat them in the league unless the recruitment to replace players is excellent (has been a bit hit and miss the last couple of seasons post sancho and haaland). I’m not singling Dortmund out for this. Leipzig did the same thing this season with upemecano and sabitzer despite interest from the premier league for upemecano for fees larger than what Bayern paid.
@@tombardsley3081 Reus choose to stay with us. He is not a example you can use as there have been numerous others that have left us in their prime. Loyalty is a rarity in football not something that is common.
Götze did indeed have a release clause. That however does not stop foreign clubs from activating it,which is what we tried to do.
Real made contact with us about Lewandowski despite already having insane attacking depth.
Lastly I don't need a lecture from someone who doesn't follow this club, to the level that I do, on how to beat Bayern. You speak as if we are still selling to them,when the last time we did was in 2016. Watzke also stated that we would no longer sell to them post 2016.
@@jordandufner2197 contact but never really went into serious talks about signing him. And that’s good that you’ve stopped selling to Bayern now. You recognised that was part of the problem as to why Bayern have been keeping their advantage. It’s a shame that you had to sell players first to them before realising that despite teams in the past like Werder and Schalke getting weaker by that same method and Leipzig falling into that as well after you. I can understand selling to them if you’re not a serious contender to them but if you’re trying to beat them, selling to them is just giving them more advantages unless you make them pay ridiculous amounts like atletico made Barcelona pay for Griezmann
My God the buyout prices and "extravagant" spending in the 90s is like bargain basement prices compared to the insanity we see today
And then you remember how good of a manager Klopp is. He's been the savior of all the clubs he's been to.
He left Dortmund in mud
@@crystalz-h1d Dude. While at Dortmund he beat Bayern twice for the title and he got the all time scoring record for Dortmund in one season. That Klopp team was arguably one of the best teams ever in the Bundesliga
In mud, after great success and selling star players
@@m.aununu.musaffa7466 They are second biggest club in Germany, 13th richest in the world and arguably have the best Football stadium in the world. Bvb are not in the mud
@@jprme7588 I use jacq term... im sure he mean infield aspect, like just go 16round champion league and gap with bayern, although still doing good in dfb pokal
You didn't mention the last game of the 2002-03 season. Dortmund needed a win at home against the already relegated Cottbus to qualify for the Champions League group stages...They fail (1-1), then knocked out at the qualifing rounds...Maybe history was very different if they had won that game.
This is a good example of what an amazing manager Jurgen Klopp truly is. He is not only able to make teams win trophies but also establish a solid framework and template that succeeding managers will ultimately follow - how Dortmund plays today owes a lot to Klopp's philosophy.
Without Klopp, BVB will not or probably take a lot longer to be back in the map.
It goes both ways, bvb had many fans even before klopp, certainly he helped bvb but bvb also helped him get recognition.
Don't forget all the trash clearing Van Marwijk had to do pre Klopp as well.
@@Hyde_Hill truu
While Bayern maybe saw it as an opportunity to take advantage of PR headliners, Dortmund definitely used that chance to pay the wages and maintain the boat afloat. While it is not much, every single drop helped, and while I am a Bayern fan, I truly admire how they have enriched german football. I truly wished that Leverkusen, Schalke, Bremen, Hamburg, Monchengladbach and Dortmund regained their peak performance that made me fall in love with german football in the late 2000’s. All the sides were at top of their game locally and internationally. It is sad to see how Bayern ravaged much of the teams and a lot have been unable to recover. Dortmund has always been a team for which I feel bittersweet, that honorable opponent than rather from being an enemy, is actually an ally who fights to keep us getting better.
Most of the transfers mentioned were actually very good deals, I think Dortmund always knew how to find talents in the transfer market, it's the whole Bundesliga structure that confined them
Sounds a lot like what Barcelona did under the management of then Josep Bartomeu.
3:36 but Dortmund had qualified for the UCL in 2001 and played Liverpool in the group stage of the Champions League 01/02.
Ah amoroso there's a name I haven't seen in a long time. But I remember him as one of the best strikers for the first couple of seasons in FM 01-02 of course players like to medira would be better than him but you'd have to wait like 4 years for that
These illustrations are superb!
Hope you ever do that video about the resurrection of Dortmund. It is not just about Klopp also about van Marwijk and especially the work behind the scenes by the directors.
Sounds so much like the tale of fiscal mismanagement at Leeds United, but with a very different outcome. Alas, Leeds never found their Watzke or Klopp, instead enduring successive demotions and a succession of terrible owners from which they have never fully recovered.
Or a pile of Spanish teams: Santander, Deportivo La Coruna, Malaga (FFP violations), Heracles Alicante, and Xerez.
Sounds like Watzke has effectively been Dortmund's savior, good on him.
Yes, he was. True Dortmund fans will always be aware of and thankful for that! 🖤💛
Visual masterpiece to go with a head spinning story. Chef's kiss to the scrolling timeline visualization. Also pertinently timed when taken in context of recent talks to do away with 50+1.
Well played, lads & ladette. Well played indeed.
The yellow team that could, probably one of the only hope in beating Bayern in German domestic titles. It's been more than 10 years since they won their first league title, the Klopp factor.
I would like to see the recovery story in more detail.
I hope Dortmund finally win the Bundesliga after 10 years. I've never stopped hoping
Same, I will wait even more 10 years if that can happen.
Unlikely, the financial gap to Bayern is just too large by now.
Bayernliga won't let it
Bayern are lacking defensively, Dortmund will strengthen their defense and getting some great attacking talent...if bayern fumble about again like they did this season Dortmund actually have a shot next year.
@@antlereddruid8359 Haaland leaving will help Dortmund as they will re-invest it well into good young plaayers
please make a follow up video on their recovery
It wasn't because Gio blew out his hammy again?!
maybe one day Tifo can do one about how man utd nearly went bankrupt by 2022...
Good video 😊
Can you please make a video highlighting Chelsea’s potential cb crisis next season, and the most astute replacements out there to deal with it
Sounds like the current Manchester United
More like Barca
Actually it's even worse for man unt. The debt is ridiculous
Honestly there is something to that. When players are used to winning big trophies and then that stops happening the players can easily end up unmotivated and arguing among each other. That happened to Dortmund when stars like Amoroso and Rosicky suddenly didn't win anymore, that's why Klopp had to come in and completely rebuild the team. Now it has happened to ManU which is why Rangnick, who was a Bundesliga coach back then and knows all about the story, advises ManU to do the same kind of rebuild.
3:50 still an issue today
How I wish I could go back to 2004
Me too... but too many 'if' is bad
Does anyone know what the background track is? Or where I can find a playlist or something of the music tifo uses in their videos?
Entire documentary and English fans are still in the comments blaming Bayern lol stick to the premier league where all the good players are foreigners
Reminds me of what is going on in the Manchester United squad right now
Klopp really saved 3 clubs.
Not talking about Florian Homms Investment?
Before i watched the video, i didn’t know how bad the situation really was. Now as i reflect on the video, they were so mismanaged that it defied logic what the leadership at the time were doing in the club.
It was as if they were spending money to try to be with the big boys of Europe when in reality, they were a glitch in the matrix who shouldn’t have been that successful in that time period. Mind you the fact that their champions league title victory was a miracle and a great achievement but what followed was terrible spending, short term vision, awful decision making and things going wrong.
It’s a good thing they had their issues resolved because they wouldn’t have had the success they had in the early to mid 2010s.
Yeah success is hard to maintain in football. If you win the league or even the Champions League you can't just spend the whole money for new players, because you have to pay a lot because of contract bonus payments plus you have to pay more for players wage and for new players because every club knows you have the money because of the success.
And if you can't maintain the success, for example when you fail to qualify for the CL now, it could cause more harm than good for the club.
So would you invest more to get successful again or save the money in case it won't work. It's just a vicious cycle for many clubs.
Their champions league run was not a miracle, they just beat their opponents. And looking at the scores, it was quite an easy campaign for them, their rivals didn’t even try, specially Juventus considering they demolished Ajax prior playing Dortmund. I suppose it’s not surprise, Juventus are an embarrassment when it comes to European cups
@@TheThirdWorldCitizen What??!!?! Juventus are one of the most successful clubs in the world
@@jprme7588 where’s their champions league then? Even Porto won one lol
They spent 90M to sign Higuaín and have had Morata twice on their team, and they even agreed to shady deals with Bartomeu. I don’t think they know what they are doing.
@@TheThirdWorldCitizen Juventus has 2 champions league trophies, in the final against Dortmund they were literally the defending the champions. They also have 3 uefa cups (europa league) and 2 uefa super cups
Day one for asking for a pedri video
No wonder they are now an academy club...they grow players and sell them
Looking at these transfer fees players were cheap Jack was worth the whole BVB in the past
Now they make sure not to go bankrupt by ignoring sport success at all costs. Wow.
Do a video about the Canadian mens national team
we were so close to greatness. urgh
The blind "Bayern saved Dortmund" always made me laugh.
Why ?
@@1Matik_ Because it was an ignorant myth, of course.
@@1Matik_ Like the video said, they were 120 million in debt, Bayern's loan didn't really have them.
@@TheSense13 that’s not really how debt works tho innit. Barca is over 1 billion euros in debt, yet they aren’t filing for bankruptcy.
The loan from the Bavarians allowed Dortmund to pay their salaries, pay something towards their corporate taxes (of which they owed €5mil), and utilities and public transportation. They had enough operating cash inflow to get key creditors off their backs for a time. The loan was interest free as well.
@@1Matik_ come on, everybody knows, that these 2 mio. were just a drop in the ocean - yet Bayern fans always insist on having saved Borussia Dortmund. Well, they also insist on Uli Hoeneß beeing such an awesome and honest business man, as well as KH Rummenigge, Franz Beckenbauer and Mr. Dreyer... 😅🙈
Apart from that, it was a very short-term deal (only one month) and part of that was paid back a few months later with a rather high interest rate and Bayern secured the right to buy Frings... so it was neither saving Dortmund nor was it an act of charity.
Lollujo is currently trying to bankrupt them. But winning too. 😁
Next: “ how Everton got bankrupt.”
I truely believe if kloop haven’t left dorthmund they wouldn’t be this bad .
Looks like u didnt watch the video
Borussia Dortmund are probably the 2nd most successful German team behind Bayern Munich.
From Bayern’s perspective, should they really have bailed out Borussia Dortmund? Was it good for Bayern Munich’s development as a club?
They didn't do it alone
I cant think of a club that receives so much and praise for being run so well, yet havent won a title in over a decade.
Well they have won 2 German Cups but yeah no leauge title
Dortmund almost did a Bury
Shame they didn't
Haven’t Bayern won the Bayernliga 10 years in a row now?
The gap between Bayern and everyone else must be so disheartening for the rest of the Bayernliga.
Last time a Scottish club outside the old firm won the division was 84/85…it could be worse…
@@Montycat78 at least there are 2 clubs that can compete for it whereas here it’s just Bayern
@@tombardsley3081 in the same time period 6 German teams have won the Bundesliga and probably in the medium term (5-10 years) there will be another winner that isn’t Bayern. I think I can say with a high level of confidence that there will never be a Scottish team that will win the league for 20, 30 maybe 40 years…now that’s disheartening!
“There will never be a Scottish team *outside the old firm* that will win the league”
Would be pretty weird if a non Scottish team won the Scottish league.
@@Montycat78 that’s not that many given how many there have been in England in the same time period. There have even been more different premier league winners than the Bundesliga has had in that window. Italy had 7 and at least the title race now is a lot tighter after juventus falling off. France have had 8 even if you discount PSG’s money starting since they won the league twice before then
SPL is a very different issue compared to Germany. To me the top division is too small. It really should have a small expansion to 16 teams to avoid the constant 3-4 league games vs every team which could be more depending on the cup draws as well and there’d be a bit more competition. Plus they’ve also had recent issues over club owners given what happened to Rangers 10 years ago and Hearts fairly recently
Kloop is the best manager of all time
No pep becouse he managed Barcelona Bayern Munich and Manchester City Rich club
Kloop Win trophy's with low Budget team
Pep Barca is something that we can forget 😭 Messi 😘 Xavi 😘 Inista 😘 Eto 😘 Villa 😘 Sergio 😘
of all time is a bit of a stretch. I would personally take the likes of Rinus Michels, Alex Ferguson, Valeri Lobanovski, Helenio Herrera, Ernst Happel, Johan Cruijff and probably Matt Busby over Klopp. Not that Klopp is a bad manager, I personally love how he lets his team play, but there are better coaches in history. I probably missed a lot of good coaches in my list too, I don't know all the older ones.
English???
Why silly man talk serious
This seems like the German version of Leeds Utd's decline from EPL to EL1
reddit club
Maybe this why Dortmund keep selling their best talent to Bayern 😀
Last time a dortmund player transferred to Bayern, england just got kicked out of the euro by iceland......
@@Cinematicnorance I was waiting for England or the English league to get mentioned in the comments somewhere.
People are obsessed over English football
the last player we sold to bayern was Hummels in 2016. That was 6 years ago.
@@shaun7389 It's the other way around, to be honest. You don't hear La Liga, Serie A or Ligue 1 fans shouting "Bayernliga" or such dumb myths as the one above. It's always just the arrogant and ignorant EPL fanbase. Just look at the comments here, do you think they would be the same if the video was about some random English club? Yet, here they are, the EPL fans, going at it like cockroaches finding something to eat...
I hope this is bait
first here
1st
change the name of bundesliga to bayernliga
2nd
Seeing Bayern lending a hand to Dortmund for the health of the national game makes Celtic laughing whilst Rangers went up in smoke look even worse in retrospect.
Seriously? 🤣🤣🤣
So if Bayern didnt save Dortmund from been Broke maybe Dortmund could have been relegated in 2006 or 2007,2011 and 2012 bundesliga winners is gonna be leverkusen and Klopp,Reus,Gotze and Gundogan could have go to Leverkusen,Dortmund would have play very bad in 3 liga nowadays
bayern only gave 1million which was nice token payment but the debt was a lot more than that
@@ddman27 i mean bayern should never save dortmund by taking players from dortmund in future
Either u say German Markt or something or You learn to say "deutsche" xD in German and ending e is NOT SILENT. that's why it's porschEEE and not Porsch like Englisch people say xD
For as long as dortmund keeps on selling star players to bayern they will always fall short
Cmon bro it's almost 6 years since they do that.
Last player we sold to Bayern was Hummels in 2016.
@Abdul Raheem We can't offer players the salaries that every plastic club can offer. What choice do you have but to sell, when a player wont extend his contract.
Make a video on how Bruno made United worse than they are
Bruno Fernandes ?
typical English ignores Paul lambert
@Abdul Raheem he might improve but yeah
@Abdul Raheem check the history of the top European coaches, it often found that it takes serval clubs and seasons to learn, only in the UK do we dismiss managers so fast, still, he played Celtic so happy to see him fail LOL
Didn’t Bayern already bought them?
nearly lol? with the club's performances and general lack of silverware over the course of the last several seasons, one would be lead to think that they did, in fact, go bankrupt 😂😂
*And no, I am not a Bayern fan for those who may think I'm here trolling. I quite like BVB, but it's so depressing watching this club stuggle over and over again with seemingly no remedy in sight.
they won the cup last season wdym "lack of silverware"
Let's be honest though that was all bc of Haaland
@@jprme7588 somebody clearly doesn't watch the pokal last year
@@antlereddruid8359 What do I mean by lack of silverware? Thank you for the question. Allow me to entertain you with an answer.
Let's start from 2010. 12 years ago.
In the space of 12 years, Borussia Dortmund has won a mere 2 Bundesliga titles. For comparisons sake, Bayern just finished winning their 10th title in a row. Let that sink it for just a moment. 10. Not 9. Not 8. 10.
Let's continue.
Dortmund have won the DFB Pokal on just three occasions between the present year of 2022, and our start date of 2010.
Again, for comparisons sake, Bayern Munich, who as I am sure you're aware, is essentially Dortmund's closet semblance to a rival, have won a grand total of 22 trophies in the past 12 years. These include:
10 Bundesliga titles
2 UEFA Champions League titles
2 UEFA Super Cup titles
2 FIFA Club World Cup titles &
6 DFB Pokal titles
In the last 10 years, Dortmund have won a grand total of 5 trophies (8 if you'd like to count their three successes in the 'curtain raiser' of German football, aka, the DFB Super Cup.
I am in no way trying to demean BVB. As I stated in my initial comment, I like the club. I lime their fans. But the club is becoming more and more irrelevant in terms of success each and every year.
Of course, it doesn't help that Bayern practically buy-up all the competition to themselves. But that's not really an excuse at the end of the day for BVB to have not won at least *1* league title in the last 10 years/seasons.
I hope this helped ✌
@@JdDiehl your argument would make more sense if you include all the bundesliga clubs other than bayern. Historically, gladbach is a big club. So as Stuttgart and many more. Also, you Don't include the 50+1 rule, making it harder for any other club to get money if they aren't winning anything. So if you don't win things, you won't get things.