The defense attorney only cares about the acquittal. My statment and yours are opinions because there is nothing in this film to justify either stance, it is only your bias.
The system is broken when your innocent your Guilty when your Guilty your innocent a new justice system is needed Now by the people for the people ⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖
Did a great job of not giving the viewer the truth and showing the effects of the justice system on all of its participants. This is how it is for the lawyers involved especially, when the circumstances of a case are not clear and defined. This movie raises a lot of questions about the justice system.
The plea rate in criminal cases is much higher than the quoted 58%. More like 85% and may be higher. I have seen innocent people take plea deals rather than take the risk of loosing at trials and face stiffer sentences. For those who take to trial, less than 50% get a not guilty verdict. So it does not matter what strategy one takes when being charged criminally, the odds are stacked against that individually greatly.
What really turns this system and the percentages you are quoting 'on its ear' is the caliber of the lawyers involved (monied cases). That's when all kind of things happen for those who can afford it. Truly amazing with what some people can get away with..........
+Dark Matter Most people will plead out because they don't want to spend years waiting for a trail behind bars. Even the innocent will plead out just to get out of jail.
So much for the Justice system - where deals are constantly being made to relieve the system of its workload; the truth is no longer relevant at all. A very good movie brilliantly illustrating the problem.
This must be a shortened version of this movie. I remember seeing this movie where the defendent's attorney went to the place where the crime was committed and found that the lighting was not enough to make a perfect identification and he also brought out that the victim was under the influence of drugs. The defendant got off. Why this movie ended this way is beyond me. Where is the whole movie?
That's kind of the whole point you don't know why. Does he decide to plead guilty cuz he doesn't want to roll his dice on being convicted of a crime he didn't commit. Or did he realize the gig is up. In a lot of these criminal defense cases the only person who knows that is the defendant.
@@watchgoose He knew a JURY would feel sympathy for her and therefore convict him. So he takes the plea, even though he is innocent, in order to avoid a jury trial and thereby get a shorter sentence. It sucks,, but that is our "justice" system. And THAT is the point of the movie.
Mara T Yirka The only movie she could really act was in Dirty Dancing....She's acted as a really dumb lawyer in this one....The movie is great though....
The defense could have torn apart the girl's story about visiting a non existant friend at the address and shown her to be a druggie whose evidence was suspect.
seriously she lied about what she was doing there and being a junkie and the lawyer wasnt confident of exposing a junkies lie?? this is the same as confessing under torture...they keep dangling thw sword of 20 years on him ...thats a decision made out of fear ...its not truth or justice....they shouldnt be allowed to offer deals like that and take it back...the same 2 to 4 years should apply at the trial as well...otherwise its plain torture
This Denise has a very typical victim mentality. She forgets that getting into accidents such as face cutting is her criminal occupation's hazard. Old but good movie.
so ladies n gentlemen it's up to you to choose the ending.You can have the guy innocent or guilty N the girl liar or not,it's up to you to decide,you r the real judge..u got the evidences n now you decide.This movie is a masterpiece. But I know who is telling the truth
The, Girl a liar all day long, she was stoned when she bought more ,DRUGS. DRUGS, DRUGS. 😢 😮 😢 .BECAUSE I HAVE A SON AND 💙 I KNOW. SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYBODY ❤ 🎉 .
Haven't seen the prosecutor since she danced with Swayze in the dance movie. This was very good movie. There is much improvement needed in the justice system. I know they r overloaded with cases. One major improvement is the death penalty not imprisonment if crime is killing. Prisons r too full. This movie was very good story. Very good acting.
that last court room scene is so off the wall ...all of a sudden he wants to take a 2 to 4 ....after all the drama of him being told what it would mean if he didn't take it ....most of the movie was built around that .....total bollocks!!
Very good movie with very convincing actors. Forrest Whittaker is consistently excellent in any role he plays. Did his character do time for the crime because he was scared of the trial? I think so.
Shocking. A flawed system for sure.... but dealing with overwhelming numbers of crime, liars and con artists..... I just don't know. I think a good part of the movie was Williams' lawyer in the balance between dedication and futility. It's easy to see how these lawyers & judges become hardened.
With the defendant taking a plea offer, he cannot have the case reviewed in the future, so if exculpatory evidence is discovered, it is of no use. Also, if he had to pay restitution, ALL of that money goes into the judges pocket. Nice system there. Other than what I posted before this, I saw this movie a long time ago with one of my sisters.
I always thought Rosie Perez was really pretty with a perfectly hourglass frame. she's a pretty good actress also. loved this movie! Thanks for this film. :-]
These court proceedings are no different than todays. It sad to know how many innocent people go to jail because of mistaken identity. In today's society, if you don't have the money, you are going to jail no matter how innocent you are. Lawlessness is in the courts!!
Guys I need help I'm little confused we knew at the first time The Chase Williams was an innocent and that girl whatever her name was she was a liar so what kind of end was that,
It doesn't matter if she went there to buy drugs. She didn't deserve to be rob are get her face cut.. No one doesn't deserve that. Even so that they have a past history with crime. He was dependent on that she wouldn't have show up for court after she did that when Jessie want a his deal. I know how the system works in Louisiana they are ready to make a deal in our justice system. This movie reminds me that it could have been in Louisiana
@@deborahromero9196 Do you realize she never say his face during the robbery ? She lied! she took a guess that it was him. She said she was 100% sure it was him and she wasnot
@@deborahromero9196 yeah but if she cant be honest about why she went there that she was high ...then why should anyone have to believe her testimony...its very relevant that the only eyewitness was high at the time...would you convict a man based solely on the testimony of a witness who was drugged? and no other evidence....the prosecution had no case...and the defense lawyer surely would have known that
@@deborahromero9196 where is the other evidence...did they find the stolen goods...did they get any other witness testifying that jesse steals and hurts people...nope...nothing...neither side did any digging or homework...and burden of proof is on prosecution
This is a sanitize version of NYC system. IT'S WAY WORSE THAN IS PORTRAYED HERE. No legal aid lawyer is going to work that hard on case, they don't have the time. I will say most legal aid lawyers are great people who I have a Ton of respect for.
+k m venezia For most, you have to really pay attention, though, some are working with the court and sometimes they are friends with the prosecutor. Unfortunately, Politics can rear its head almost anywhere...Not all of the time, but too many...
The job of a Legal Aid attorney is not to get the accused off, their job is to make sure the accused has the appearance of being represented. The state does not want to be accused of railroading people, so they assign a lawyer to stand next to the accused and hold his hand explaining what is going on. What the state calls "representation" is a joke. Legal Aid attorneys do not put up defenses. They are also there to grease the wheels of "justice" and to dispense each case as quickly as possible. They never want to go to trial and very rarely do. As seen from this movie, expedience is a top priority. What most people do not understand is that what is called the "justice" system is in reality a big business. The business dictates that if you have no money, you will get poor representation. If you can afford a lawyer you will get good representation. If this movie was a real case and the accused could have afforded a lawyer, the charges would have been dismissed for lack of evidence. A word of caution to people who are represented by Legal Aid. Legal Aid lawyers are NOT on your side. They are agents for the courts to guard against costly trials and possible appeals. We have a system with thousands of laws, but very little justice. We have been led to believe that justice is the primary issue in the legal system, it is not. Making money and the APPEARANCE of "justice" are the primary issues. Thousands of prisoners doing time state they are innocent. Every one scoffs at this as laughable, but one look at all the prisoners who have been freed for whatever reason is a testament that they are telling the truth. Under represented people when given a choice between a minimum sentence as opposed to a long sentence will always opt for the minimum. Prosecutors are like basketball players, the more points they score the better, so they will bend the laws to obtain convictions. If anyone wants to see one of the greatest failures of justice, just check out the millions of foreclosure cases taking place across this country. Banks are stealing homes with the help of local judges. Banks routinely come into court with forged documents or many times no documents at all which are necessary to prove their right to foreclose. The judges are ignoring hundreds of years of laws because they are corrupt and in league with the banks. It is similar to the courts always taking the word of a lying cop over that of a civilian. In foreclosure cases it is the judges believing the lying banks. There is no justice, there is only law.
I have always suspected that this was the reality of our judicial system, courts, judges, those who work with the courts, but your post was so clear, concise and pure in its explanation, I can no longer bury my head in the sand and pretend that justice really exist, clearly it does not...Thank you for your post, this information is very necessary...
Zrah Rasul.....If, your comment is in response to Dorian Ziegler.....thinking he was giving facts is misleading for all. It was simply conjecture...his opinion!
I think he's innocent. She's the only one lying because she lied to the Grand Jury and stated that she went to see her friend Anthony and the police investigation proved no one named Anthony lived there. Also she lied and said that she wasn't using drugs when in fact she began smoking Crack after she purchased it in the hallway. Her judgment is impaired by the Crack use, vision impaired by the cut under the eye and the dark hallway at night
@@tko718 I think so too. I didn't get it though why he suddenly changed his mind to plea bargain when he saw her. At first I thought he knew her from the past and they probably had misunderstanding/quarrel and he thought she's out to get her vengeance by nailing him on a crime he didn't commit. And that probably she used a different name hence he didn't know until he saw her who the accuser was. I'm afraid I'm not explaining it well what I'm thinking...
1:14:42 "Jesse" looks overwhelmed with compassion ... I also thought what you mention, however the other side could just be that, because of his own feeling (extensive to all jury members), he "knew" he was going to lose the trial... or he just didn't want to fight her and just give it all a somehow "equitative" and quick ending...
Why didn’t anyone get a search warrant to look for the knife and stolen belongings in Jessie’s house? Why didn’t anyone go to all the stores he went to since the date of the robbery and find out what he paid with or find his receipts?
Am I the only one who thought of looking at a mirror and saying three times "Candyman, Candyman, Candyman" when Tony Todd appeared as one of the police officers?
I hate remakes. Re-watch the original Candyman if you want, but please, don't give ideas to Hollywood. I shudder to the crap that a remake is going to be.
what kind of justice! its just like a market take it ! take 3or5 wtf! even the victim is forced to give wrong information and wrong is sentenced while the real culprit is out there with more victims on his list!
I think Ms. Moore was running for Jesse. Who says to the person that's robbing you, you're going to pay? Either you're really bold or you know someone that's going to take care of it. Where did Jesse get the money for the diapers? He said he bought them but he didn't have a job. She does drugs but still has things she doesn't sell or part with; earrings, necklace etc. She's doing okay. She disappeared after the robbery. Because she does drugs Jesse assumed she took off or was high somewhere. He took the plea at the end because he knows her and was scared she had much, much more to tell. He knew he didn't have a chance. She feels it was his fault she was robbed and cut. Justice all the same for her even if the story is a little different. She wanted him to get more time in the end.
SPOILER ALERT!!!!!! ==== Lol... Only 7:07 mins in and when she chose the pic of Forest Whittaker, I knew she chose the wrong man cuz the voice of the robber sounded NOTHING like Forest's voice... Lol Peace :-)
Boogie Down Bronx but they knew each other. Notice how they looked at one another in the courtroom. Plus how she stared at his mugshot. Not saying he did the crime but I am saying their paths did cross along with some tension.
His was probably the first heavier face that she came across, after looking at hundreds of lean and meaner faces. She was impatient. Then, she kept staring at his face, in the detective's hand, while he asked her over and over if she was positive!
The criminal justice system is about lawyers' ego, performance targets, and whatever, but certainly not about actual justice or 'innocent until proven guilty'...
its gonna be full of everybody that aint saved ---many preachers arent ----but there WONT be ANYbody there who is saved -----praise Jesus HE came for the sick not the well ---and there aint no well just people who think they are
I was wrongfully arrested for a very serious charge in Washington state. The DA should never have charged me but things went ahead anyway. 10 years was the time I’d get if convicted at trial…I conferred with some law enforcement officials from other juridstictions(FBI,etc) and the consensus they came up with is that I had about a 20% chance to be found guilty at trial…After 4 years the DA(with tons of coercion from my top dog$40k lawyer)finally offered me a lesser charge and dropped the enhancement and the time was 365 days in Benton County jail. With good time I spent 8 months incarcerated and now I’m a convicted felon at 55 years old. Anyone can get caught up in the system…Random shit happens all the time…Ask for a lawyer immediately!!! I’ll wonder for the rest of my life if I should have went to trial…But I was so fucking frightened of spending 10 years in prison that. I chickened out…
STOPPP with saying how "broken" the system is .. or how it (jail) is for "profit" .. its not about that at all .. most who make comments like that hav never experienced another country or their prisons and/or legal processes .. ours in comparison is by far the most lenient and fair . Its not perfect, but the Best One So Far .. every time I return to the United States I kiss the ground because we hav it so good here and everyone gets a fair trial .. we are presumed Innocent and thats a preface many other countries do not giv .. they hav base, deep corruption that exceeds anything here and bribery that is shameful and transparent .. at the end he wanted the deal because he was counting on her not even showing up, and yet she did .. hence, was guilty all along ..
What shit legal system is that man. Had they proved that girl on drugs her alegation could have been disprved. When she is on any she can't have any clear vision of the attacker.
He was innocent. The purpose of the film was to depict what happens in the Justice system. Not concerned about justice or the truth, but closing cases with pleas and keeping convictions up
I dont think he did it, but when he saw her face I think he was horrified to see her scar and wanted to spare her the extra stress of going through a trial, but I dont think she understood that..
I believe that he knows her from somewhere judging by how they looked at each other when she walked into the court room. But I don't think he did it. Sorry but her little tantrum after the court ended seemed more like felt guilty about sending an innocent man to jail and not just about her face
Yes, he seemed to recognize her. I thought maybe they had had a relationship and she held a strong grudge against him. He seemed to think his case was lost. It's not clear to me if he is innocent or guilty.
That was not justice for anyone. I have seen two different D.A.'s in two different city's intimidate multiple people into taking plea deals. Sadly it's common practice where I live.
Why he changes his plea at the end: He sees Rosie; he sees the massive scar; and he knows a jury will feel sympathy for her and that his goose is cooked. So rather than go to trial, be found guilty, and get a long prison term, he takes the plea deal: no trial by jury and a much shorter prison term.
Jennifer Grey still beautiful and natural here. Such a huge pitty she went and did plastic surgery which took her beauty away. Her acting not good in this though.
I think he was innocent only because the man that actually committed the crime had a different voice. His voice was lower and scratchy. Jesse williams had a higher pitched voice.
Without plea bargaining the entire court system would shut down. There is not enough court time and space to accommodate all the people who get charged. Prosecutors just offer deals to plead out. Plus it is incentive for people to not to go to trial. Also it provides the prosecution a sure result.
In a way the flaw remains in root on the belief of the people resolving the crime by bringing somone to justice while the case is marked as controversial. Then guilty or not everyone would respond the same. Thus one has to pray that a similar crime ( pray for a crime!!!!), would be committed while reside behind bars and the blues could link the crimes in question to seek of a truthful solution to the cases in total
Prosecutor only cares about conviction ...period
The defense attorney only cares about the acquittal.
My statment and yours are opinions because there is nothing in this film to justify either stance, it is only your bias.
A movie well worth watching about the judicial system, whether you are innocent or guilty.
This movie is beyond depressing, frustrating and eye opening.
Yes maybe
I agree with you.
Denise's story vs Jesse's story...and the Truth.
One thing for sure, Denise is a serial liar
And the Asst. DA doesn't care about the truth. A win for her is the only care.
I love forest whittaker....he plays the good character better...it fits his face and demeanor...
I saw this movie as part of my law and government class in high school
The most realistic film depiction yet of what goes on in New York City criminal courts.
Not just NYC this is a National issues, prisons = big money and is a form of slavery. The system is broken.
Lol not just NYC every urban area in America and everywhere they can use black people and “minorities” for their benefit
Even Small Cities got broken systems like this too
Love Anthony LaPaglia... and early Forrest Whitaker...fine movie and very riveting...thanks for the upload 😁👍
The judges are concerned only about their time. This is the biggest flaw.
Thanks Des for including a short description. I wish more uploaders would do so. I Do appreciate all everyone's downloads for us to enjoy :)
YOU mean stealing other peoples movies and explaining them.
Forest and his attorney are both great actors. And it is a cool movie
Rosie Perez is a all time Epic for the culture actress anything shes in she brings her A game much respect to her
This was a great movie despite the fact that it was not a famous 4 star film. It was more like a documentary or educational film rather than a drama.
+Stgfre Yeah, Wonder why I still can't find this on DVD or even VHS Tape.
www.amazon.com/Criminal-Justice-VHS-Forest-Whitaker/dp/6301982827
Proof is irrelevant. Manipulation is sadly an attorney standard, even when paying outrageous sums for laziness and unversed case law.
I don't think I've ever seen a Forrest Whitaker movie that I didn't like. Very convincing actor, everytime.
Just because people plead guilty doesn’t mean they are,,,, trust me I know personally.....they don’t want the truth once they decide you are guilty
Great , realistic flick. The most accurate film I’ve ever seen.
The system is broken when your innocent your Guilty when your Guilty your innocent a new justice system is needed
Now by the people for the people ⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖⚖
Did a great job of not giving the viewer the truth and showing the effects of the justice system on all of its participants. This is how it is for the lawyers involved especially, when the circumstances of a case are not clear and defined. This movie raises a lot of questions about the justice system.
He’s a good actor
The jailer, yes he is.
Basically you're fucked if you are accused of a crime and have a criminal record?
The plea rate in criminal cases is much higher than the quoted 58%. More like 85% and may be higher.
I have seen innocent people take plea deals rather than take the risk of loosing at trials and face stiffer sentences.
For those who take to trial, less than 50% get a not guilty verdict.
So it does not matter what strategy one takes when being charged criminally, the odds are stacked against that individually greatly.
I agree.
What really turns this system and the percentages you are quoting 'on its ear' is the caliber of the lawyers involved (monied cases). That's when all kind of things happen for those who can afford it. Truly amazing with what some people can get away with..........
Court system at its finest, wants everyone to plead out.
+Dark Matter Most people will plead out because they don't want to spend years waiting for a trail behind bars. Even the innocent will plead out just to get out of jail.
So true
Joan Wilder di un
So sad for him .He had no choice .He did not do it .
So much for the Justice system - where deals are constantly being made to relieve the system of its workload; the truth is no longer relevant at all.
A very good movie brilliantly illustrating the problem.
Wait 2020-2021 is coming.
Not always ass-hole.
This must be a shortened version of this movie. I remember seeing this movie where the defendent's attorney went to the place where the crime was committed and found that the lighting was not enough to make a perfect identification and he also brought out that the victim was under the influence of drugs. The defendant got off. Why this movie ended this way is beyond me. Where is the whole movie?
right
I have the original VHS. He never got off. He took the plea given.
Huge plot hole - they never addressed why he changed to suddenly demanding the deal after seeing her in the courtroom.
seemed obvious that he felt empathy for her cut face.
That's kind of the whole point you don't know why. Does he decide to plead guilty cuz he doesn't want to roll his dice on being convicted of a crime he didn't commit. Or did he realize the gig is up. In a lot of these criminal defense cases the only person who knows that is the defendant.
That's the whole point is to have the plot hole. The point is it's unknowable why he did that just like oftentimes happens in real life
@@watchgoose He knew a JURY would feel sympathy for her and therefore convict him. So he takes the plea, even though he is innocent, in order to avoid a jury trial and thereby get a shorter sentence. It sucks,, but that is our "justice" system. And THAT is the point of the movie.
this played out like an episode of Law and Order
Not really. Law and Order is a good show. This movie sucked big time. No story and bad acting.
More like an episode of NYPD BLUE
Jennifer Grey (lawyer) is Baby from
Dirty Dancing
Mara T Yirka The only movie she could really act was in Dirty Dancing....She's acted as a really dumb lawyer in this one....The movie is great though....
“An innocent man , in a living hell.” How would any of us feel ? On the word of a crack head , talk about a reliable witness on a dark night.
Dangerous world... Dangerous life. Anything can arrives to anyone.
OMG, I had no idea things were this bad.
Scary! Anybody can get caught up.
The defense could have torn apart the girl's story about visiting a non existant friend at the address and shown her to be a druggie whose evidence was suspect.
prosecution would have objected on the grounds that she is not on trial.
Would you be willing to take that chance
@@onewildandcrazyguy9213 If he went to trial he could have gotten 10 years.
@@Mario_N64 right
seriously she lied about what she was doing there and being a junkie and the lawyer wasnt confident of exposing a junkies lie?? this is the same as confessing under torture...they keep dangling thw sword of 20 years on him ...thats a decision made out of fear ...its not truth or justice....they shouldnt be allowed to offer deals like that and take it back...the same 2 to 4 years should apply at the trial as well...otherwise its plain torture
This Denise has a very typical victim mentality. She forgets that getting into accidents such as face cutting is her criminal occupation's hazard. Old but good movie.
Court! They tell you to accept softer punishment whether you did it or not because there are whole lot of lazy asses.
1:06:47 "I miss you, bye bye" Ah, perhaps the heaviest words for a father....:(
There's not enough budget for everyone to go to trial.
so ladies n gentlemen it's up to you to choose the ending.You can have the guy innocent or guilty N the girl liar or not,it's up to you to decide,you r the real judge..u got the evidences n now you decide.This movie is a masterpiece. But I know who is telling the truth
Well, i would have to say, innocent. 😢 😮 😢 .
The, Girl a liar all day long, she was stoned when she bought more ,DRUGS. DRUGS, DRUGS. 😢 😮 😢 .BECAUSE I HAVE A SON AND 💙 I KNOW. SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYBODY ❤ 🎉 .
Haven't seen the prosecutor since she danced with Swayze in the dance movie. This was very good movie. There is much improvement needed in the justice system. I know they r overloaded with cases. One major improvement is the death penalty not imprisonment if crime is killing. Prisons r too full. This movie was very good story. Very good acting.
that last court room scene is so off the wall ...all of a sudden he wants to take a 2 to 4 ....after all the drama of him being told what it would mean if he didn't take it ....most of the movie was built around that .....total bollocks!!
Heavy content, true crime, genuine description of lawlessness and law only favour rich, rest on their own, no justice, 👍
Kind of like reality is. Since Trump became President I am awake.
Wrong, there's God's justice ⚖!
Very good movie with very convincing actors. Forrest Whittaker is consistently excellent in any role he plays. Did his character do time for the crime because he was scared of the trial? I think so.
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He did the crime. You could hear his voice while the crime was being committed..
At around 33 minutes or so, what on earth is on the back of Whitaker's neck? It looks painful!
lynda renaud looks like keloids
Shocking. A flawed system for sure.... but dealing with overwhelming numbers of crime, liars and con artists..... I just don't know. I think a good part of the movie was Williams' lawyer in the balance between dedication and futility. It's easy to see how these lawyers & judges become hardened.
Ty for taking the time to uploAD. Good movie. Great picture and sound ty 😄
Awe movie thanks for posting.
With the defendant taking a plea offer, he cannot have the case reviewed in the future, so if exculpatory evidence is discovered, it is of no use. Also, if he had to pay restitution, ALL of that money goes into the judges pocket. Nice system there. Other than what I posted before this, I saw this movie a long time ago with one of my sisters.
Who is telling the truth ?
We have heard both the parties and if the female is lying then what is the reason?
I always thought Rosie Perez was really pretty with a perfectly hourglass frame. she's a pretty good actress also. loved this movie! Thanks for this film. :-]
These court proceedings are no different than todays. It sad to know how many innocent people go to jail because of mistaken identity. In today's society, if you don't have the money, you are going to jail no matter how innocent you are. Lawlessness is in the courts!!
Majority of the time regardless of pigment yes.💯
Guys I need help I'm little confused we knew at the first time The Chase Williams was an innocent and that girl whatever her name was she was a liar so what kind of end was that,
You can play Victim as long as you want, but karma will get you back. She's a liar, can't even tell the court she went there to buy drugs.
It doesn't matter if she went there to buy drugs. She didn't deserve to be rob are get her face cut.. No one doesn't deserve that. Even so that they have a past history with crime. He was dependent on that she wouldn't have show up for court after she did that when Jessie want a his deal. I know how the system works in Louisiana they are ready to make a deal in our justice system. This movie reminds me that it could have been in Louisiana
@@deborahromero9196 Do you realize she never say his face during the robbery ? She lied! she took a guess that it was him. She said she was 100% sure it was him and she wasnot
@@deborahromero9196 yeah but if she cant be honest about why she went there that she was high ...then why should anyone have to believe her testimony...its very relevant that the only eyewitness was high at the time...would you convict a man based solely on the testimony of a witness who was drugged? and no other evidence....the prosecution had no case...and the defense lawyer surely would have known that
@@deborahromero9196 where is the other evidence...did they find the stolen goods...did they get any other witness testifying that jesse steals and hurts people...nope...nothing...neither side did any digging or homework...and burden of proof is on prosecution
This is a sanitize version of NYC system. IT'S WAY WORSE THAN IS PORTRAYED HERE. No legal aid lawyer is going to work that hard on case, they don't have the time. I will say most legal aid lawyers are great people who I have a Ton of respect for.
+k m venezia For most, you have to really pay attention, though, some are working with the court and sometimes they are friends with the prosecutor. Unfortunately, Politics can rear its head almost anywhere...Not all of the time, but too many...
The job of a Legal Aid attorney is not to get the accused off, their job is to make sure
the accused has the appearance of being represented. The state does not want to be
accused of railroading people, so they assign a lawyer to stand next to the accused and
hold his hand explaining what is going on.
What the state calls "representation" is a joke. Legal Aid attorneys do not put up defenses.
They are also there to grease the wheels of "justice" and to dispense each case as
quickly as possible. They never want to go to trial and very rarely do. As seen from this
movie, expedience is a top priority.
What most people do not understand is that what is called the "justice" system is in reality
a big business. The business dictates that if you have no money, you will get poor
representation. If you can afford a lawyer you will get good representation. If this movie was
a real case and the accused could have afforded a lawyer, the charges would have been
dismissed for lack of evidence.
A word of caution to people who are represented by Legal Aid. Legal Aid lawyers are NOT
on your side. They are agents for the courts to guard against costly trials and possible
appeals. We have a system with thousands of laws, but very little justice. We have been
led to believe that justice is the primary issue in the legal system, it is not. Making money
and the APPEARANCE of "justice" are the primary issues.
Thousands of prisoners doing time state they are innocent. Every one scoffs at this as
laughable, but one look at all the prisoners who have been freed for whatever reason is
a testament that they are telling the truth. Under represented people when given a choice
between a minimum sentence as opposed to a long sentence will always opt for the
minimum. Prosecutors are like basketball players, the more points they score the better,
so they will bend the laws to obtain convictions.
If anyone wants to see one of the greatest failures of justice, just check out the millions
of foreclosure cases taking place across this country. Banks are stealing homes with the
help of local judges. Banks routinely come into court with forged documents or many times
no documents at all which are necessary to prove their right to foreclose. The judges are
ignoring hundreds of years of laws because they are corrupt and in league with the banks.
It is similar to the courts always taking the word of a lying cop over that of a civilian.
In foreclosure cases it is the judges believing the lying banks.
There is no justice, there is only law.
I have always suspected that this was the reality of our judicial system, courts, judges, those who work with the courts, but your post was so clear, concise and pure in its explanation, I can no longer bury my head in the sand and pretend that justice really exist, clearly it does not...Thank you for your post, this information is very necessary...
Doran Ziegler Thank You for this In Your Face Look at our "Lack" of Justice system if you are not one of the Entitled...
Zrah Rasul.....If, your comment is in response to Dorian Ziegler.....thinking he was giving facts is misleading for all. It was simply conjecture...his opinion!
Justice hurried is justice burried.
Now I have to write a paper on this. I'll edit this when I get the results.
How did it go?
@@WarrenRCG Oh shoot I completely forgot. uhm I did alright
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Even if you don't do the crime... You gotta do the time!!!
Rich Man = FREE
Poor Man = LOCKED UP
physically mentally or both
@@travislegair9524
You know its both!
@#kane poe so bout time usually he is correct cause you know if you buy into this system you can control it....
very good.the ending a a meaning to all .....Mazza!
the big question is did he do it or not. they both was so sure. the voice of the man who slice her was a different voice ... but ?????
That's right!
matrix, she liaed . There was no boyfriend living there and she took krack
I think he's innocent. She's the only one lying because she lied to the Grand Jury and stated that she went to see her friend Anthony and the police investigation proved no one named Anthony lived there. Also she lied and said that she wasn't using drugs when in fact she began smoking Crack after she purchased it in the hallway. Her judgment is impaired by the Crack use, vision impaired by the cut under the eye and the dark hallway at night
@@tko718 I think so too.
I didn't get it though why he suddenly changed his mind to plea bargain when he saw her.
At first I thought he knew her from the past and they probably had misunderstanding/quarrel and he thought she's out to get her vengeance by nailing him on a crime he didn't commit. And that probably she used a different name hence he didn't know until he saw her who the accuser was.
I'm afraid I'm not explaining it well what I'm thinking...
1:14:42 "Jesse" looks overwhelmed with compassion ... I also thought what you mention, however the other side could just be that, because of his own feeling (extensive to all jury members), he "knew" he was going to lose the trial... or he just didn't want to fight her and just give it all a somehow "equitative" and quick ending...
Justice shall never be the subject of a deal!
My remarks started to disappear. Justice shall never be the subject of a deal!
British courts are just as bad, that's why people take the law into their own hands as I will next month
Are you in jail yet？ Am curious
What happened Frazer? Did you get you own back?
Why didn’t anyone get a search warrant to look for the knife and stolen belongings in Jessie’s house? Why didn’t anyone go to all the stores he went to since the date of the robbery and find out what he paid with or find his receipts?
Am I the only one who thought of looking at a mirror and saying three times "Candyman, Candyman, Candyman" when Tony Todd appeared as one of the police officers?
+Lisa Simpson Rules the first thing that came to my mind.. lol.. I wish they did a remake of it
I hate remakes. Re-watch the original Candyman if you want, but please, don't give ideas to Hollywood. I shudder to the crap that a remake is going to be.
lbennaugh lisa
Lisa Simpson Rules yes!!-ha...ha..that tall blk. guy fm.candy man!!
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what kind of justice! its just like a market take it ! take 3or5 wtf! even the victim is forced to give wrong information and wrong is sentenced while the real culprit is out there with more victims on his list!
What kind of justice, you ask? Well, it's "Criminal Justice," just as the title ironically tells us.
I think Ms. Moore was running for Jesse. Who says to the person that's robbing you, you're going to pay? Either you're really bold or you know someone that's going to take care of it.
Where did Jesse get the money for the diapers? He said he bought them but he didn't have a job.
She does drugs but still has things she doesn't sell or part with; earrings, necklace etc. She's doing okay. She disappeared after the robbery. Because she does drugs Jesse assumed she took off or was high somewhere. He took the plea at the end because he knows her and was scared she had much, much more to tell. He knew he didn't have a chance. She feels it was his fault she was robbed and cut. Justice all the same for her even if the story is a little different. She wanted him to get more time in the end.
anthony lapaglia looks so young in this!!
Now there's a household name. WHO?
He took her fake gold chain but not the big fake gold ear rings🤣😂
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SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!
==== Lol... Only 7:07 mins in and when she chose the pic of Forest Whittaker, I knew she chose the wrong man cuz the voice of the robber sounded NOTHING like Forest's voice... Lol Peace :-)
Boogie Down Bronx but they knew each other. Notice how they looked at one another in the courtroom. Plus how she stared at his mugshot. Not saying he did the crime but I am saying their paths did cross along with some tension.
His was probably the first heavier face that she came across, after looking at hundreds of lean and meaner faces. She was impatient. Then, she kept staring at his face, in the detective's hand, while he asked her over and over if she was positive!
@@GarwinWayne makes sense
Expected more from the move! No proper conclusion!😐
Men i love those saxophone playing is from who
The criminal justice system is about lawyers' ego, performance targets, and whatever, but certainly not about actual justice or 'innocent until proven guilty'...
It's a much better system than other countries have.
Often, but not always.
Stop lying.
They didn't allow his friend or lawyer during identification parade ,
Watching this is my law homework.
whats the question u have for it
what a great movie that really opened my eyes.
My grandfather always said HELL gonna be FULL Of preacher
its gonna be full of everybody that aint saved ---many preachers arent ----but there WONT be ANYbody there who is saved -----praise Jesus HE came for the sick not the well ---and there aint no well just people who think they are
i was looking for this movie ,,,good movie
Wow this movie is great!
I was wrongfully arrested for a very serious charge in Washington state. The DA should never have charged me but things went ahead anyway. 10 years was the time I’d get if convicted at trial…I conferred with some law enforcement officials from other juridstictions(FBI,etc) and the consensus they came up with is that I had about a 20% chance to be found guilty at trial…After 4 years the DA(with tons of coercion from my top dog$40k lawyer)finally offered me a lesser charge and dropped the enhancement and the time was 365 days in Benton County jail. With good time I spent 8 months incarcerated and now I’m a convicted felon at 55 years old. Anyone can get caught up in the system…Random shit happens all the time…Ask for a lawyer immediately!!! I’ll wonder for the rest of my life if I should have went to trial…But I was so fucking frightened of spending 10 years in prison that. I chickened out…
Get your record expunged (sealed) and then request a copy to ensure it was done.
@@thesacredibis6723 too bad Evan will probably never ever see your reply. You didn't @tag him.
The actress who plays Denise is a pretty girl.
they obviously did not get a plastic surgeon to repair her face.
What justice where when how, what rule of law? What law is there in a circus?
The system must be changed!
STOPPP with saying how "broken" the system is .. or how it (jail) is for "profit" .. its not about that at all .. most who make comments like that hav never experienced another country or their prisons and/or legal processes .. ours in comparison is by far the most lenient and fair . Its not perfect, but the Best One So Far .. every time I return to the United States I kiss the ground because we hav it so good here and everyone gets a fair trial .. we are presumed Innocent and thats a preface many other countries do not giv .. they hav base, deep corruption that exceeds anything here and bribery that is shameful and transparent .. at the end he wanted the deal because he was counting on her not even showing up, and yet she did .. hence, was guilty all along ..
I am a HUGE fan of Forrest Whittaker, so all the way through I believed in him lol
Lawyer didnt even visit the crime scene.
No time or money for investigators. Caseload is heavy. Pulled into other busy districts, like at the end of the movie.
What shit legal system is that man. Had they proved that girl on drugs her alegation could have been disprved. When she is on any she can't have any clear vision of the attacker.
So this guy waste everybody time hoping the girl will not show up, he refused taking two now he get way more than that
the ending made me vomit- this is definitely a true story welcome to not justice, but Just Us
Wow!! He had me fooled!!! SMH does anyone know if that was a true story??? Inquired minds would love to know!!
Fooled? You do know he was innocent right, or the fact that he caved?
He was innocent. The purpose of the film was to depict what happens in the Justice system. Not concerned about justice or the truth, but closing cases with pleas and keeping convictions up
I dont think he did it, but when he saw her face I think he was horrified to see her scar and wanted to spare her the extra stress of going through a trial, but I dont think she understood that..
Damn she said she was 19yrs i thought she was 35🤔🤔😏😏
I believe that he knows her from somewhere judging by how they looked at each other when she walked into the court room. But I don't think he did it. Sorry but her little tantrum after the court ended seemed more like felt guilty about sending an innocent man to jail and not just about her face
Yes, he seemed to recognize her. I thought maybe they had had a relationship and she held a strong grudge against him. He seemed to think his case was lost. It's not clear to me if he is innocent or guilty.
@@randall8379Yes i agree. You might be right.
Yes, but look what you're doing to yourself with that habit!
She's 💯 sure, yet she's stoned d time it happened.😕😖😟
:| The human law can only punish, it cannot turn the criminals to the good ways, only the Divine can.
JESUS IS THE ANSWER.
That was not justice for anyone. I have seen two different D.A.'s in two different city's intimidate multiple people into taking plea deals. Sadly it's common practice where I live.
also where I live in coles county ill
Hence the title: "Criminal Justice."
Hope karma snapped the neck of that J. Grey character!
So who was telling the truth? Why did he suddenly decide to plead guilty when he saw her at the end?
Why he changes his plea at the end: He sees Rosie; he sees the massive scar; and he knows a jury will feel sympathy for her and that his goose is cooked. So rather than go to trial, be found guilty, and get a long prison term, he takes the plea deal: no trial by jury and a much shorter prison term.
Jennifer Grey still beautiful and natural here. Such a huge pitty she went and did plastic surgery which took her beauty away. Her acting not good in this though.
I think he was innocent only because the man that actually committed the crime had a different voice. His voice was lower and scratchy. Jesse williams had a higher pitched voice.
I never did understand plea bargaining. To admit to something you didn't do to save time, money, effort does not, to me, serve justice.
Without plea bargaining the entire court system would shut down. There is not enough court time and space to accommodate all the people who get charged. Prosecutors just offer deals to plead out. Plus it is incentive for people to not to go to trial. Also it provides the prosecution a sure result.
In a way the flaw remains in root on the belief of the people resolving the crime by bringing somone to justice while the case is marked as controversial. Then guilty or not everyone would respond the same. Thus one has to pray that a similar crime ( pray for a crime!!!!), would be committed while reside behind bars and the blues could link the crimes in question to seek of a truthful solution to the cases in total