@@CornerCase no it is, I was already excited for the kickstarter videos and got a 20 minute Graphic design critique to watch while I made my coffee! 😎 I always like to see your approach to these reviews because you talk about more than just models and gameplay. You go into detail about the box art, app design, card design, etc. It is refreshing!
1) I'm not 100% sold on the characters/minis. Nice, but I dunno, I was expecting to be blown away considering CB's pedigree. I have some old metals of theirs from the early 00's and really like them. I not sure what is holding me back. 2) 100% agree on the app driven narrative/setup, it's sooooo helpful! 3) I was hoping for more playable characters, monsters, quests in addition to the core game. Ten missions doesn't seem like awesome replayability for the price. 4) Initiative is cool and clever. 5) VERY keen on the skirmish game. 6) I'm all about paying for content and giving the creators a fair amount, but damn $120-ish plus 40 shipping for the core plus a few stretch goals (maybe they are adding a bunch more as the campaign goes forward?) and $180 plus 46 for the core plus expansion seems super low on the value scale just in terms of sheer what you get physically for your dollar compared to other games on KS and even at retail. You can play the stuff in the skirmish game? Great! BUT they warn some minis won't be useable and honestly I don't want multiple of the same sculpt (Intacts or Husks, for example) in my small warband for skirmish. 7) The sculpts look okay but they say PVC which is absolutely a turn off for me. Are they similar quality to the Siocast stuff for Infinity? I have only one (the Nomad remote thingy) and it is just okay- I worry how good the smaller, more organic figures will look (faces and such, not the hard angles of the remote). If they are like top-tier board game PVC that's a negative. I think I'm going to skip the KS at this point- maybe I'll change my mind as more stretch goals are announced? It has real potential but I'm not convinced the value is there. If the core box was $100 retail in 2024 I would hesitate! Content-wise it looks like a $60-80 box. Thanks so very much for the video and for partnering with CB getting this out there. I feel mildly bad bringing up my complaints! They are a company I want to support.
Thanks as always Bob! No problem! Models are a flavor thing, so I totally understand. From my POV, what’s happening is their art direction is headed in a more graphic direction. When I say this, I mean that the shapes are quite clear.I think that’s happening for a few reasons. First, designs with more clear shapes are easier to comprehend and more memorable for the consumer. Second, the chunkier volumes and shapes are easier and potentially more fun to paint. But I do think this more graphic style is a little farther away from Trad Fantasy. I’m not a price conscious consumer, so I won’t argue with you that it’s probably expensive. $60 is a box of space marines now though, and I think this is better than that 😂. I also think that the app eliminates the book component of the package. Maybe the app needs to be more clear about how and if it’s going to provide more value over time? I also tend to think the Kickstarter metagame of packing the box super dense is unattractive, but I do state in the video that I know that’s my bias. PVC isn’t ideal for me either. I really want this skirmish to happen. I also hope CB can make the models available in blisters so they DnD crowd can partake.
re: #1, honestly I think what's throwing you is that there's nothing "new" about what they're doing here (although some of the enemies look truly unique), whereas Infinity for years had cut out for itself a very niche aesthetic. #6 - i agree. I think the asking price is a bit rich, tbh. Especially considering all their moulds are now via siocast and in-house, they have no right imho asking for that sort of price tag. It's actually why I haven't bought it yet. #7 - Siocast is basically PVC.
Apps are good in board games. Anything that lets me read less and play more is alright by me. I'm excited for this title. Gonna wait till it hits retail
Wait, did you introduce yourself as a mini gamer who isn't really into board game dungeon crawlers while standing in front of Imperial Assault and Dark Souls?
I’m interested to see where it goes, but the delivery for the Kickstarter is 2024, isn’t it? The skirmish game isn’t coming out until after that and we don’t even have a sample of any rules for that as far as I know. While CB has good models, the ones for this game don’t blow me away. They are just good. I also haven’t been impressed with CB’s rules systems. Played Infinity for a bit and the swinginess of the d20 combined with how much the game promotes alpha strikes/just killing and order funneling from cheap units into a large, expensive unit didn’t do it for me. Side note, I need more Malifaux and Bushido content!
Thanks AlertedDonkeys! They have the demo game up on TTS. Infinity, it sounds like your meta might be a little like that. There’s definitely a gatekeepy way to play Infinity, and I myself was Rambo’d by a zeta unit early on. My new meta doesn’t play that way, and I think it’s because they’re actually better at the game. I am working on more Malifaux content 🙂
great video, sadly I couldn't care less about the board game, I don like fantasy in general and I really don't like it in board games and RPGs, gameplay wise doesn't look nothing new or exiting and the heros look boring to me. The bad guys look cool, but if the wargame is a light, small scale, fast skirmish game I will totally give it a chance, if is "infinity but fantasy" the whole thing can go in the trash for me. I'm shure lots of people will enjoy and like this game, and I can see why, this type of games are really loved, same goes for fantasy themed one, so I wish good luck to Corvus so that the game will sell beyond what they expect, because Infinity made me make great fiends and gave my so many hours of fun, aristea is great too, so they deserve success. For Shure they are one of the companyes I like the most in the panorama.
Thanks Metallaio! Yeah, I agree. Like I said in the video, I’m not normally the dungeon crawler consumer, but the app made this really easy to play. I want to see how easily I can get my friends to play this with me. I’ll be transparent, too, that I want to see more Corvus Belli success. They’re the best positioned company to compete with GW now. It won’t happen in a year, but maybe in 5 years, if they keep pushing, and we keep playing.
Generic cookie cutter fantasy dungeon crawling at its best. Models are nice, and that's where it ends. Absolutely nothing about this game is unique, stands out, etc.
Thanks Katar! I am critical of Fantasy worlds, too, but I have to disagree. Fantasy is so saturated that its differences do happen in the minutiae and execution. I think some standouts are the equal representation of men and women, the initiative system, and the app. All of those have a huge impact on the system overall. When it comes to Fantasy, I think people like their cookie cutter narrative architecture. Let’s even take a look at the recent Rings of Power. It deviated from the architecture, and a ton of people hate it. But the initiative system is more fun than any combat-focused TTRPG I’ve played-Pathfinder/Starfinder, DnD 5E, Savage Lands, Seven Seas, Call of Cthulhu, Edge of the Empire. The app leaves a lot to be explored and discovered in the game, creates a great solo play experience, and creates the opportunity for a lot of replayability. Anyway, just a couple points. Happy dungeoneering, Katar!
These models don't really do anything for me. There's nothing particularly bad about them, but they aren't very compelling either. They look very generic and kind of boring to me. There's nothing about them that would make me recognize them. It's like you could lump them into any set of generic D&D minis or fantasy-type models and never know they were from their own game and own unique universe. Sure, they are technically well designed and seem to be cast well, but the actual artistic design just feels very safe and generic and not interesting. Again, not bad, but not noteworthy either. It's like modern artwork from WotC, but in model form. Same thing for most of CB's Infinity models since N3. Infinity is a little bit worse offender, though, as they make heavy use of reused assets from CAD sculpts so everything ends up looking very samey. Warriors from completely different backgrounds will have identical armor plates and such and they use identical poses on a million different models. Still clean and technical, but just boring and sadly generic. I used to play Infinity. It's a fantastic and amazingly designed game. Really fun and unique and I loved the models even if I can find some things to critique about the recent releases. CB turned out to be a pretty awful company, though. There are too many other games out there to play for me to continue giving money to them.
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Great Video as always!
Thanks Moppel!
Great video! And great game :D!
Thanks Cora!
This is the BEST thing to wake up to today!
Lolol I don’t know about the BEST 😂
@@CornerCase no it is, I was already excited for the kickstarter videos and got a 20 minute Graphic design critique to watch while I made my coffee! 😎
I always like to see your approach to these reviews because you talk about more than just models and gameplay. You go into detail about the box art, app design, card design, etc. It is refreshing!
Really good and informative video! I’m really excited to play a Fantasy game from CB!!
Thank you, I'm a big fan of dungeon crawlers.
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It amazes me how many folks are waiting for the skirmish game! I am excited to see where that goes after gencon 2023.
1) I'm not 100% sold on the characters/minis. Nice, but I dunno, I was expecting to be blown away considering CB's pedigree. I have some old metals of theirs from the early 00's and really like them. I not sure what is holding me back.
2) 100% agree on the app driven narrative/setup, it's sooooo helpful!
3) I was hoping for more playable characters, monsters, quests in addition to the core game. Ten missions doesn't seem like awesome replayability for the price.
4) Initiative is cool and clever.
5) VERY keen on the skirmish game.
6) I'm all about paying for content and giving the creators a fair amount, but damn $120-ish plus 40 shipping for the core plus a few stretch goals (maybe they are adding a bunch more as the campaign goes forward?) and $180 plus 46 for the core plus expansion seems super low on the value scale just in terms of sheer what you get physically for your dollar compared to other games on KS and even at retail. You can play the stuff in the skirmish game? Great! BUT they warn some minis won't be useable and honestly I don't want multiple of the same sculpt (Intacts or Husks, for example) in my small warband for skirmish.
7) The sculpts look okay but they say PVC which is absolutely a turn off for me. Are they similar quality to the Siocast stuff for Infinity? I have only one (the Nomad remote thingy) and it is just okay- I worry how good the smaller, more organic figures will look (faces and such, not the hard angles of the remote). If they are like top-tier board game PVC that's a negative.
I think I'm going to skip the KS at this point- maybe I'll change my mind as more stretch goals are announced? It has real potential but I'm not convinced the value is there. If the core box was $100 retail in 2024 I would hesitate! Content-wise it looks like a $60-80 box.
Thanks so very much for the video and for partnering with CB getting this out there. I feel mildly bad bringing up my complaints! They are a company I want to support.
Thanks as always Bob! No problem!
Models are a flavor thing, so I totally understand. From my POV, what’s happening is their art direction is headed in a more graphic direction. When I say this, I mean that the shapes are quite clear.I think that’s happening for a few reasons. First, designs with more clear shapes are easier to comprehend and more memorable for the consumer. Second, the chunkier volumes and shapes are easier and potentially more fun to paint. But I do think this more graphic style is a little farther away from Trad Fantasy.
I’m not a price conscious consumer, so I won’t argue with you that it’s probably expensive. $60 is a box of space marines now though, and I think this is better than that 😂. I also think that the app eliminates the book component of the package. Maybe the app needs to be more clear about how and if it’s going to provide more value over time? I also tend to think the Kickstarter metagame of packing the box super dense is unattractive, but I do state in the video that I know that’s my bias.
PVC isn’t ideal for me either.
I really want this skirmish to happen. I also hope CB can make the models available in blisters so they DnD crowd can partake.
re: #1, honestly I think what's throwing you is that there's nothing "new" about what they're doing here (although some of the enemies look truly unique), whereas Infinity for years had cut out for itself a very niche aesthetic.
#6 - i agree. I think the asking price is a bit rich, tbh. Especially considering all their moulds are now via siocast and in-house, they have no right imho asking for that sort of price tag. It's actually why I haven't bought it yet.
#7 - Siocast is basically PVC.
I backed the game cuz of you, now you have to play it with me when it comes out. Thats the rules.
Are the minis plastic? That would be a plus in my book.
Thanks Blizz Az! I can’t speak to that based on the materials I received!
@@CornerCase I looked at their KS and it says all the minis backers will get will be PVC plastic. They look fantastic.
Apps are good in board games. Anything that lets me read less and play more is alright by me. I'm excited for this title. Gonna wait till it hits retail
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Excellent thesis 10 seconds in.
Design style? Confrontation meets Malifaux? :D
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I hope to see this initiative system in the skirmish game
LOLOL Verathorn, who’s trying to keep track of 40 models on that tiny pie plate tho 😂
Wait, did you introduce yourself as a mini gamer who isn't really into board game dungeon crawlers while standing in front of Imperial Assault and Dark Souls?
Imperial Assault was a competitive miniatures game on a gridded tile system 😏
I’m interested to see where it goes, but the delivery for the Kickstarter is 2024, isn’t it? The skirmish game isn’t coming out until after that and we don’t even have a sample of any rules for that as far as I know. While CB has good models, the ones for this game don’t blow me away. They are just good. I also haven’t been impressed with CB’s rules systems. Played Infinity for a bit and the swinginess of the d20 combined with how much the game promotes alpha strikes/just killing and order funneling from cheap units into a large, expensive unit didn’t do it for me. Side note, I need more Malifaux and Bushido content!
Thanks AlertedDonkeys!
They have the demo game up on TTS.
Infinity, it sounds like your meta might be a little like that. There’s definitely a gatekeepy way to play Infinity, and I myself was Rambo’d by a zeta unit early on. My new meta doesn’t play that way, and I think it’s because they’re actually better at the game.
I am working on more Malifaux content 🙂
The skirmish game comes out next year
great video, sadly I couldn't care less about the board game, I don like fantasy in general and I really don't like it in board games and RPGs, gameplay wise doesn't look nothing new or exiting and the heros look boring to me. The bad guys look cool, but if the wargame is a light, small scale, fast skirmish game I will totally give it a chance, if is "infinity but fantasy" the whole thing can go in the trash for me. I'm shure lots of people will enjoy and like this game, and I can see why, this type of games are really loved, same goes for fantasy themed one, so I wish good luck to Corvus so that the game will sell beyond what they expect, because Infinity made me make great fiends and gave my so many hours of fun, aristea is great too, so they deserve success. For Shure they are one of the companyes I like the most in the panorama.
Thanks Metallaio!
Yeah, I agree. Like I said in the video, I’m not normally the dungeon crawler consumer, but the app made this really easy to play. I want to see how easily I can get my friends to play this with me.
I’ll be transparent, too, that I want to see more Corvus Belli success. They’re the best positioned company to compete with GW now. It won’t happen in a year, but maybe in 5 years, if they keep pushing, and we keep playing.
I think the app is, like you said, Clutch. Anything that takes the heavy lifting off players is essential.
Generic cookie cutter fantasy dungeon crawling at its best. Models are nice, and that's where it ends. Absolutely nothing about this game is unique, stands out, etc.
Thanks Katar! I am critical of Fantasy worlds, too, but I have to disagree. Fantasy is so saturated that its differences do happen in the minutiae and execution.
I think some standouts are the equal representation of men and women, the initiative system, and the app. All of those have a huge impact on the system overall.
When it comes to Fantasy, I think people like their cookie cutter narrative architecture. Let’s even take a look at the recent Rings of Power. It deviated from the architecture, and a ton of people hate it.
But the initiative system is more fun than any combat-focused TTRPG I’ve played-Pathfinder/Starfinder, DnD 5E, Savage Lands, Seven Seas, Call of Cthulhu, Edge of the Empire.
The app leaves a lot to be explored and discovered in the game, creates a great solo play experience, and creates the opportunity for a lot of replayability.
Anyway, just a couple points. Happy dungeoneering, Katar!
These models don't really do anything for me. There's nothing particularly bad about them, but they aren't very compelling either. They look very generic and kind of boring to me. There's nothing about them that would make me recognize them. It's like you could lump them into any set of generic D&D minis or fantasy-type models and never know they were from their own game and own unique universe.
Sure, they are technically well designed and seem to be cast well, but the actual artistic design just feels very safe and generic and not interesting. Again, not bad, but not noteworthy either. It's like modern artwork from WotC, but in model form.
Same thing for most of CB's Infinity models since N3. Infinity is a little bit worse offender, though, as they make heavy use of reused assets from CAD sculpts so everything ends up looking very samey. Warriors from completely different backgrounds will have identical armor plates and such and they use identical poses on a million different models. Still clean and technical, but just boring and sadly generic.
I used to play Infinity. It's a fantastic and amazingly designed game. Really fun and unique and I loved the models even if I can find some things to critique about the recent releases. CB turned out to be a pretty awful company, though. There are too many other games out there to play for me to continue giving money to them.
This looks so boring and overpriced for the content offered.
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