38:06 I somehow immagined - in a totally fanfiction scenario- that Oliveira, himself was in that Orbital Command as it tried to lift off to retreat from certain defeat, he saw Dark Ravager's throwing their corrosive biles at him, and in his last moments Oliveira uttered "gg" before the whole Orbital Command came crushing down in flames !
In game 3 at the moment Winter sighed at Oliveira's 0 SCV, Dark actually had 0 base except his main, 57 drones doing distance mining from 2 bases away, and his army size is 1/3 of Terran's. I'd refuse to surrender either
Dark is so godlike in bringing entertainment, i haven't watched any starcraft matches and one day i saw one of the older dark videos and since then i watch all the dark videos and some others, darks playstyle + your commentary actually makes me want to watch sc2 games again. Who knew entertaining playstyles and commentary can make you watch a game being played? :O
My prediction is terran would be weaker againts early game harass and forcing them to either built turrets like a zerg or get starport tech asap to deal with protoss harass or get a faster tank for zerg, i dont think anything will happen in tvt though its barely used there
It would be a massive deal, because the widow mine's mere existence forces opponent to take them into account. Removing them would have a big impact and let's be real, it'll never happen, SC2 isn't remotely supported by Blizzard, another area where I hope Microsoft takes a different approach.
@@tobiasL1991 If you check the ration SC2 is pretty well balanced. We all hate widowmines but the numbers prove Terran don't have a huge advantage. It seems we need to git good though
@@joe78man Wait what's your comment saying? Because the game being fairly well balanced now means I'm right, it would cause big ripples and changes as they are frequently used. Also I don't hate widowmines, are they RNG? For sure they are but maybe other races just need to learn how to split, like terrans have to do all the time versus banes or disruptors or storms. I'm more on the hate train that ghosts have been a fix all in forever cause they can't find a way to make the raven actually a useable unit. Giving it damage a few years back broke the game in favor of terrans late game and giving it early control broke the game again but this time only versus protoss.
widdow mines, such a well balanced unit. the amount of APM u need to use them and deal with them is almost equal. insane. -.- but seriously, dark overlooks consistently too much on the map. incredible that he still comes back so often, but he can't let those random mine hits in the middle of the map go unnoticed and not deal with them. if he had, the first game wouldnt have been even close. its infuriating to watch how he walks into the same mine multiple times and always loosing substantial amounts of supply. :D
Dark never gets old. The common man showing how he won world series, he will crawl at you on his arms if you blow off his legs and bite if he cant punch.
Why don't Terrans EVER get a couple of Ravens into the Lurker comps? Mobile detection so they aren't completely reliant on scans all the time, and would anti-armour missiles help against them? Like, I know Lurkers are insanely hard to deal with, but it feels like they're just choosing not to take a unit that would help a ton.
Just replace all the descriptors with Dark. "Dark new Zerg strategy." "This Zerg Mutalisk Rush is Dark." "You won't believe this new Dark." "The Darkest baneling bust yet!"
One thing I’ve always been curious about is weapon type upgrades (ie. bullets, plasma, missiles) In true Terran fashion, though, I haven’t thought past Terran
While I think it's cool that Zerg players are building proxy hatchery's in their mains, why do they do the viper consume on the Lair as opposed to the fresh proxy hatchery? I can not be the only one annoyed at how much harder it is for Zerg to deal with a damn medivac (a what, tier1.5 unit?) compared to terrans dealing with a Nydus worm (tier 5?)
wow the first game, the Champ is back !!! 12:09 i thought Oli is dead but noooo he comes back stronger and wins, that's the champ i know !!! and game 3, the Lurkers rain from the sky, raise from the ground and Oli kills ALL of them, Dark has to ggggggggggggggggggggg, it's a highly respect GG from Dark =))
ah classic, terran ghost unbeatable by zerg without massing zerglings, if not, zerg is just being inefficient, snipes are just so overpowered providing so much value...
Both the engineering bay and the armory make sense for names of the buildings that provide upgrades for both infantry and vehicle weapons. They had to choose one for each, so why do you think the way that it is makes less sense than the opposite?
An armory is generally (though not always) where infantry get their weapons. While vehicles may be assigned to armories they are generally not in the armory itself. Meanwhile, vehicle(or aircraft) Bays are where vehicles/aircraft would be stored to perform maintenance or refitting. And infantry is never stationed or armed in a bay. So if you think about it from that perspective, the Engineering Bay makes sense for an area where vehicles would get upgraded while an Armory is where infantry would get upgraded.
@@GuidingOlive One would still need to engineer an infantry weapon to upgrade it. And vehicles are fitted with armaments that could be stored in an armory.
@@JaggedJack1 Actually, if you're just refitting a weapon (higher pen ammo, barrel swaps, etc.) you would go to an armorer. Sure an engineer might have designed that possibility into the gun but the guy doing the actual refit would be likely an armorer. Meanwhile, none of the vehicles in SC2 are shown using infantry class weapons or even light anti vehicle like an M2 (or the equivalent in gauss rifle) which could be in an armory. Missiles of either banshee or viking class would be stockpiled elsewhere whereas the siege tank is a whole different beast. And you definitely would have engineers working with technicians on refits in a bay or very nearby. Probably not in an active warzone though.
@@GrippeeTV Which has always boggled my mind, like what changed that suddenly protoss need a unit that didn't exist for most of SC2? Ghosts weren't buffed since that time, vikings are unchanged, so why the change? My two cents is that terrans got better and most importantly had an even better unit comp to switch to, something protoss simply doesn't have.
@@GrippeeTV I mostly play protoss and to be fair, High Templars with storms are a decent alternative vs bio! I just wish the HT was slightly buffed in movement speed and maybe a free Kaydaryn amulet to start with 75 energy when warped in! Vs mech, Immortals pack a Punch, and disruptors are not as essential! , it's good vs Cyclones and Hellbats but not Amazing vs Thors or even siege tanks, since tanks outrange them and you need 2 purification novas to destroy a tank!
widow mines... takes 0 APM when set and can kill dozens of units, necessitating the opponent to use his APM/attention to deal with them. while the Terran can use his APM to move his army/macro etc i mean it get the job done, but it's not entertaining to watch. (unless for terran players i guess) thanks winter , your commentary makes this bearable to watch !
Widow mines make SC2 nearly unwatchable at this point. Why does such a low cost unit need such a large investment of resources to defend against, or deal with if active on the field? Like... what other unit in all of the game hits 50+ kills routinely? Im talking... the same unit. From production, to death. Singular. I turned this off when it was mentioned on Widow mine had 50 kills. Sucks because I enjoy watching SC2 replays. I dont play the game at all.
Nah... same goes for distrubtors killing whole armies in seconds, banelings killing mass workers, early dts or lurkers if you are missing scans and mass carriers to whom lower skilled players die instantly. It is all about the skill
@@AG.z Nah? When was the last time a single Disruptor had 50 kills? Banelings can never get 50 kills. They don’t even kill probes/SUV’s or drones anymore. Just saying “Nah” and giving awful incorrect reasons is just bad. Not to mention Disruptors are T3 units. Banelings need a separate building to create, and a mandatory upgrade to use. Where as the Widow mine is T1, needs no upgrades and is fire and forget.
@@AG.z Besides imo distruptor lurker and mine all should be removed. Lurkers are op vs protoss every game vs protoss i feel like if i make lurkers i just win. They can only go air., if we both mico the same i alswys winn with upgraded lurkers. Its like a ulitimete counter to everything that doesent fly in toss army. And distruptors are also stupid. I prefered when they were not in game. I main zerg and sometimes play terran.
you're the only one who ever gets likes from my lazy ass who usually feels bad for youtubers who genuinely feel grovelling most of the time, but you zing it well, wp sir.
Can someone explain why in every game, I see players run their army past their enemies without attacking? They end up losing, most if not all of their units anyways, especially thw zerg. Why not do some damage before they die? I understand that there is some form of healing for each race, but watching this game was frustrating. Dark didn't even damage anything of any real importance during the base trades, he should have focused on the production, take out the depots and then the barracks, for all his efforts he only killed a few units. Meanwhile Oliveira was destroying all Darks's production buildings...
@@tonysiouxfan Mass ghost reduces zerg to a single possible army composition, but is a poor unit to push with. ZvT with a terran with a dozen+ orbitals and mass ghost is my least favourite game to watch. Bleeding out takes too long and is too inevitable, I'll take a RNG mine hit killing half the zerg army or the warp prism over that.
U have one of the most action packed games in front of u and u talking about irrelevant stuff thinking you are funny. Please don't be like lowko and just cast the games, leave the jokes to comedians.
38:06 I somehow immagined - in a totally fanfiction scenario- that Oliveira, himself was in that Orbital Command as it tried to lift off to retreat from certain defeat, he saw Dark Ravager's throwing their corrosive biles at him, and in his last moments Oliveira uttered "gg" before the whole Orbital Command came crushing down in flames !
This is so much more poetic than it deserves to be
In game 3 at the moment Winter sighed at Oliveira's 0 SCV, Dark actually had 0 base except his main, 57 drones doing distance mining from 2 bases away, and his army size is 1/3 of Terran's. I'd refuse to surrender either
That queen/ engineering bay joke was the most meta joke I've every heard. You got me laughing was too much over that
It brought a tear to my eye, I will be more gentle with my engi bays from now on. No more walls for them.
Brenda was not the same after that experience. It even changed its face.
Am i the only one that found funny the way winter said:
"That widdow mine has 57 KILLS!!!!!!"
Dark is so godlike in bringing entertainment, i haven't watched any starcraft matches and one day i saw one of the older dark videos and since then i watch all the dark videos and some others, darks playstyle + your commentary actually makes me want to watch sc2 games again. Who knew entertaining playstyles and commentary can make you watch a game being played? :O
I am genuinely curious how much simply removing the widow mine would hurt Terran.
My prediction is terran would be weaker againts early game harass and forcing them to either built turrets like a zerg or get starport tech asap to deal with protoss harass or get a faster tank for zerg, i dont think anything will happen in tvt though its barely used there
@@raeserec535i mean tvt is always balanced
It would be a massive deal, because the widow mine's mere existence forces opponent to take them into account.
Removing them would have a big impact and let's be real, it'll never happen, SC2 isn't remotely supported by Blizzard, another area where I hope Microsoft takes a different approach.
@@tobiasL1991 If you check the ration SC2 is pretty well balanced. We all hate widowmines but the numbers prove Terran don't have a huge advantage. It seems we need to git good though
@@joe78man Wait what's your comment saying? Because the game being fairly well balanced now means I'm right, it would cause big ripples and changes as they are frequently used.
Also I don't hate widowmines, are they RNG? For sure they are but maybe other races just need to learn how to split, like terrans have to do all the time versus banes or disruptors or storms.
I'm more on the hate train that ghosts have been a fix all in forever cause they can't find a way to make the raven actually a useable unit. Giving it damage a few years back broke the game in favor of terrans late game and giving it early control broke the game again but this time only versus protoss.
You know that a good point why is infantry upgrades in the engineering bay. And why are vehicle upgrades in the armory
proves that nerds without military knowledge created this game lol
@@neojack333 look man I am A nerd but I understand basic English don't blame this on us
The infantry upgrades from the engineering bay and mech upgrades from the armory always haunts me ever Winter cast.
I love your casts man. Feels like im watching an old UFC announcer getting mad hyped over fighting moves we never see
widdow mines, such a well balanced unit. the amount of APM u need to use them and deal with them is almost equal. insane. -.- but seriously, dark overlooks consistently too much on the map. incredible that he still comes back so often, but he can't let those random mine hits in the middle of the map go unnoticed and not deal with them. if he had, the first game wouldnt have been even close. its infuriating to watch how he walks into the same mine multiple times and always loosing substantial amounts of supply. :D
The engineering bay and the old flying queen ran into each other joke too good 😂
Dark never gets old. The common man showing how he won world series, he will crawl at you on his arms if you blow off his legs and bite if he cant punch.
Thats metal
Basically he's the black knight from monty python then?
@@ThePalatineHill damn you, i was just about to answer this comment with: Tis just a flesh wound!
@@ThePalatineHill Yes
Why don't Terrans EVER get a couple of Ravens into the Lurker comps? Mobile detection so they aren't completely reliant on scans all the time, and would anti-armour missiles help against them? Like, I know Lurkers are insanely hard to deal with, but it feels like they're just choosing not to take a unit that would help a ton.
"in fact bringing things up is a sore point in general"... omg you got me on my floor
Just replace all the descriptors with Dark. "Dark new Zerg strategy." "This Zerg Mutalisk Rush is Dark." "You won't believe this new Dark." "The Darkest baneling bust yet!"
Dark's changeling is at it again! TY Winter for all those entertaining casts.
Dark casually hitting three barracks with one bile
I wonder sometimes if Winter can see when during a video people hit the like button. I tend to do it in reaction to his daily number quest
Dude that thumbnail was lit
One thing I’ve always been curious about is weapon type upgrades (ie. bullets, plasma, missiles)
In true Terran fashion, though, I haven’t thought past Terran
Not done watching but i like Oliveira strat overall. That man is on point with units movements and placements.
So much Dark gotta love him
While I think it's cool that Zerg players are building proxy hatchery's in their mains, why do they do the viper consume on the Lair as opposed to the fresh proxy hatchery?
I can not be the only one annoyed at how much harder it is for Zerg to deal with a damn medivac (a what, tier1.5 unit?) compared to terrans dealing with a Nydus worm (tier 5?)
Terran is so fucking OP... the only time they take huge losses is when they're looking the other way.
i love how u commentate so even if i havnt played sc2 in any good capacity im here.
wow the first game, the Champ is back !!! 12:09 i thought Oli is dead but noooo he comes back stronger and wins, that's the champ i know !!! and game 3, the Lurkers rain from the sky, raise from the ground and Oli kills ALL of them, Dark has to ggggggggggggggggggggg, it's a highly respect GG from Dark =))
Great games. Is that Anno 1800 music I hear in the background?
That I have never considered that infantry upgrades comes from the engineering bay and vehicle upgrades from the armory…..
god damn, just in time
the engineering bay vs the armory question has been on my mind for years
"It wasn't a total route", as Oliveira runs back home
oliveira, master of the 3 R's of terran basics: rines, rauders, and rsiege tanks
Another amazing game, with Winter's wonderful quirky commentary. Good times.
ah classic, terran ghost unbeatable by zerg without massing zerglings, if not, zerg is just being inefficient, snipes are just so overpowered providing so much value...
H to the usky, Husky not here for another video. but thatnks for the destiny cloud fist.
Winter has had some great one liner lately .
Both the engineering bay and the armory make sense for names of the buildings that provide upgrades for both infantry and vehicle weapons. They had to choose one for each, so why do you think the way that it is makes less sense than the opposite?
An armory is generally (though not always) where infantry get their weapons. While vehicles may be assigned to armories they are generally not in the armory itself. Meanwhile, vehicle(or aircraft) Bays are where vehicles/aircraft would be stored to perform maintenance or refitting. And infantry is never stationed or armed in a bay.
So if you think about it from that perspective, the Engineering Bay makes sense for an area where vehicles would get upgraded while an Armory is where infantry would get upgraded.
@@GuidingOlive One would still need to engineer an infantry weapon to upgrade it. And vehicles are fitted with armaments that could be stored in an armory.
@@JaggedJack1 Actually, if you're just refitting a weapon (higher pen ammo, barrel swaps, etc.) you would go to an armorer. Sure an engineer might have designed that possibility into the gun but the guy doing the actual refit would be likely an armorer. Meanwhile, none of the vehicles in SC2 are shown using infantry class weapons or even light anti vehicle like an M2 (or the equivalent in gauss rifle) which could be in an armory. Missiles of either banshee or viking class would be stockpiled elsewhere whereas the siege tank is a whole different beast. And you definitely would have engineers working with technicians on refits in a bay or very nearby. Probably not in an active warzone though.
World class commentary.
Never give up. Never surrender. These are the best games!
Mines, like disruptors, should be removed or recycled as swarmhosts
You sure would be a great balancer right... Making the strongest race even stronger... smh
@@tobiasL1991any non- activision blizzard is good at balance
Disruptors are literally the only option Protoss have to fight Terran armies lol
@@GrippeeTV Which has always boggled my mind, like what changed that suddenly protoss need a unit that didn't exist for most of SC2?
Ghosts weren't buffed since that time, vikings are unchanged, so why the change?
My two cents is that terrans got better and most importantly had an even better unit comp to switch to, something protoss simply doesn't have.
@@GrippeeTV I mostly play protoss and to be fair, High Templars with storms are a decent alternative vs bio! I just wish the HT was slightly buffed in movement speed and maybe a free Kaydaryn amulet to start with 75 energy when warped in!
Vs mech, Immortals pack a Punch, and disruptors are not as essential! , it's good vs Cyclones and Hellbats but not Amazing vs Thors or even siege tanks, since tanks outrange them and you need 2 purification novas to destroy a tank!
Commentary in rare form today 😂
Any casts of these top players doing any 2v2s in the near future?
Makes my day better
Ever since his championship victory, I feel Olivera plays so much more confident and it’s beautiful to watch
If dark actually made GGs with those lurkers….
Daily SC2 breakfast time
widow mines... takes 0 APM when set and can kill dozens of units, necessitating the opponent to use his APM/attention to deal with them. while the Terran can use his APM to move his army/macro etc
i mean it get the job done, but it's not entertaining to watch.
(unless for terran players i guess)
thanks winter , your commentary makes this bearable to watch !
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@36:40 HOP IN!
Widow mines make SC2 nearly unwatchable at this point. Why does such a low cost unit need such a large investment of resources to defend against, or deal with if active on the field? Like... what other unit in all of the game hits 50+ kills routinely? Im talking... the same unit. From production, to death. Singular.
I turned this off when it was mentioned on Widow mine had 50 kills. Sucks because I enjoy watching SC2 replays. I dont play the game at all.
Nah...
same goes for distrubtors killing whole armies in seconds, banelings killing mass workers, early dts or lurkers if you are missing scans and mass carriers to whom lower skilled players die instantly.
It is all about the skill
@@AG.z Nah?
When was the last time a single Disruptor had 50 kills? Banelings can never get 50 kills. They don’t even kill probes/SUV’s or drones anymore.
Just saying “Nah” and giving awful incorrect reasons is just bad. Not to mention Disruptors are T3 units. Banelings need a separate building to create, and a mandatory upgrade to use.
Where as the Widow mine is T1, needs no upgrades and is fire and forget.
@@AG.z Besides imo distruptor lurker and mine all should be removed. Lurkers are op vs protoss every game vs protoss i feel like if i make lurkers i just win. They can only go air., if we both mico the same i alswys winn with upgraded lurkers. Its like a ulitimete counter to everything that doesent fly in toss army. And distruptors are also stupid. I prefered when they were not in game. I main zerg and sometimes play terran.
that zvt game had me sitting on the edge of my seat for 22 minutes, - but what was the new strategy again ? to burrow lings ?
mass mines. disgracefull even if they get the job done
you're the only one who ever gets likes from my lazy ass who usually feels bad for youtubers who genuinely feel grovelling most of the time, but you zing it well, wp sir.
Ah yes the accident. I love that story.
lol! last game is so chaotic thats why dark is my favorite player
Dark in game 2 "F**k this, where's my hammer?"
Ol' Reliable.jpeg
Thank You
Om nom nom
Game 3 was fire!
I am very alarmed!
You should put +(∞) for Dark's card.
Oliveira is one of the most entertaining Starcraft 2 Players!
Can someone explain why in every game, I see players run their army past their enemies without attacking? They end up losing, most if not all of their units anyways, especially thw zerg. Why not do some damage before they die? I understand that there is some form of healing for each race, but watching this game was frustrating. Dark didn't even damage anything of any real importance during the base trades, he should have focused on the production, take out the depots and then the barracks, for all his efforts he only killed a few units. Meanwhile Oliveira was destroying all Darks's production buildings...
Crouching Zergling Hidden Mine.
there are no shades of grey. only shades of black and white XD
I think the clone and mine desperately need nerfs
Mine can be entertaining to me ... ghost + infiniscan is just tiresome. I'd rather have RNG than 5 minutes of hoping the terrain falls asleep.
@PinkysPain Mine is entertaining? It's the stupidest unit in the entire game, it's antithetical to anything rts.
@@tonysiouxfan Mass ghost reduces zerg to a single possible army composition, but is a poor unit to push with. ZvT with a terran with a dozen+ orbitals and mass ghost is my least favourite game to watch. Bleeding out takes too long and is too inevitable, I'll take a RNG mine hit killing half the zerg army or the warp prism over that.
Dark stuck on lurkers way too long. Ling bane infestor (overseer) is the only answer to mass ghost (orbital). Trades terribly, but at least it trades.
WOW !!!
Would be so weird, if we all could be Byun...
would be nice if stim had a CD so you don't accidentally double stim
too easy
olivera is such a g.
Great game and comment
nICE SERIES
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Hilarious as usual
"game of the year"
just build widow mine and come back from any situation, wow such skill
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Widow mines are stupid
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Dark is so good. But i just cant watch because hes not serral and i know hes probably gonna lose.
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Remove baneline for Zerg solves all balancing problems
remove widow mine for terran, solve all balancing problems (mockery)
@@user-ow2ln3pw7d You don't understand! He is a terran. For them the game is only balanced when they have a 100% win rate.
Make ultralisk shoot banelings to air and ground, balance solved.
(I just described certain Terran unit by the way)
Zerg would just lose vs bio
Any other race other than Terran is dead at ten minutes during game 2 :/
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U have one of the most action packed games in front of u and u talking about irrelevant stuff thinking you are funny. Please don't be like lowko and just cast the games, leave the jokes to comedians.