Third parties "calling out" a perceived navigation error on an active frequency is a non productive use of transmission time and a provided convenience meant to enhance safety. No one can be sure of the completeness of the situation based on limited information, and pilots often make very self serving, pious, remarks in these situation over the radio. I don't think the two parties wanted a collision and mistakes in airmanship can be handled in other ways. In other words " knock it off "
😂😂😂 been there, kingair Pilots have some of the most inflated egos. Nothing a strap from the right prop holding it won't fix when they never do walk arounds 😂😂😂😂 (Pt6 only) 😂😂😂
Missed approach and go around are used interchangeably. In this video, N85SP called missed when N455US caused a potential runway incursion by landing in front of him. N455US could have extended his downwind to permit N85SP to perform his touch and go but he didn't. That posed a safety hazard as he was alerted with enough time to join and extend his downwind to permit N85SP to perform his touch and go. He selfishly did not. Further, he did not properly communicate that he planned to land ahead of N85SP. N85SP announced missed approach and flew it, a climbing left turn, then announced he was departing the pattern. We do not know who was communicating on the ground and it doesn't matter as this comm appeared to be a safety enhancement. It could have been a fuel guy on Unicom or airport staff. I've flown numerous times out of KGIF and it's a wonderful airport...got my SES there at Jack Brown's. Everyone is so accommodating and friendly. Communications from N455US are anomalies that stain general aviation.
@apennameandthata2017 "right of way" doesn't necessarily mean it's the "right way". There is a basic level of courtesy and respect you should show to create a safer and friendlier flying environment
Aircraft in the pattern always have the right of way than the straight in aircraft. As a turbine pilot I would prefer doing a straight-in if that gets me in faster. However I always respect the people in the pattern and always have a plan B weather to do a 360 on final or join the upwind and do the pattern with the rest.
@Jopanaguiton I've been on an instrument approach in IMC down to 700AGL on a non precision approach. Suddenly a helicopter chimes in and says he's on the downwind, does he still have right of way? Abusing right of way rules is not the right way to do it
First thing I thought was the twin could have extended his downwind as a courtesy. The right of way isn’t the issue, just like nothing says I have to hold the door open for someone and let them go in first, but I do, and I don’t cuss them out for being in my way.
It's a non-towered airport so there is a radio frequency everyone in the area tunes into and you just make announcements of what you're planning to do, what you're doing, and or where you're at. There are of course some laws out there on how you can operate your aircraft, who has right of way, etc and there's some guidance out there on how you're supposed to fly into, out of, and around non-towered airports but generally you can pretty much fly however you want as long as your not breaking any of the very obvious laws, a radio isn't even a requirement. So the first plane making the transmission was on final approach for runway five, they were on some sort of practice instrument approach. They said where they were, what they were planning to do, they were set up to land the plane on runway five and they were going to land it on five. The other plane calls in and says where he is what he's planning to do, he's planning to overfly the airport then set up and land on the intersecting runway 29. The second plane heard the first plane and knows what the first plan intends to do. The second plane eventually is able to see the second plane and sets himself up on a downwind leg for 29 (part of a common traffic pattern for landing which is paralell the runway but flying opposite direction). He knew the first plane was planning to land and was set up for it but the second plane flies his traffic pattern in such a way that he gets set up to land and lands ahead of the first plane. Because of the intersecting runways it's no longer safe for the first plane to land. The first plane correctly identifies this and begins to execute a missed approach. The second plane possibly violated the law on who has the right of way when landing, possibly not, but he knew what the first plane was doing and easily could have extended his downwind to give the first plane time to land and them set himself up to land and instead effectively cut off the first plane. Now the first plane has to completely set himself up to land again instead of the second plane just taking a couple extra minutes to land. Now with all of that out of the way, there was someone on the ground on the radio frequency on probably a handheld radio, he was listening in and watched the whole thing transpire. Whoever recorded the air traffic audio was not able to pick up this individual's radio transmissions because the signal from his handheld wasn't strong enough so we're not able to hear them in these clips. He most likely warned the first plane to go around with the first plane saying, "Yeah, I see that." The individual on the handheld possibly makes another snide remark on the second plane going ahead of him, as the first plane seems to respond to it. But as discussed before, the second plane might not have violated any rules but it was kind of a dick thing to do and could have led to an unsafe scenario. The pilot of the second plane gets mad for being called out and gets angry. I hope this long ass explanation is helpful lol.
@@ygoMADMATT - I don't see 5US (the "second" plane) as cutting anyone off. The airport has procedures and it appears a left hand pattern is the standard pattern. If you are doing a straight in approach, you are not following a standard pattern. He wasn't on an IFR plan, he was flying a practice approach and was most definitely at a higher altitude when the other plane crossed midfield. Yes, it was somewhat of a selfish move for 5US to not extend and allow the practice approach to finish, but saying he violated procedures is too much.
I’ve worked closely with physicians for 15 years. This channel (and others like it) impress upon me that the vast majority of pilots, like doctors, are perfectly nice people. But it’s the tiny percentage with a God complex that make life hell for everyone.
Also, my observations as a pilot for 20+ years and a captain at an international airline: The pilots with a God complex are almost always terrible pilots. Whether it be low skill level or bad CRM, they are dreadful to fly with.
@@johndonovan7018 when I worked for the FAA I road around with the under cover FCC enforcement unit… if they want you, they can find you and you will not even know it. The vehicles are loaded with hidden equipment and antennas. They look like regular vehicles. Really cool set ups.
That jerk pilot makes it seem that Indiana isn't quite so friendly. (The aircraft is owned by an individual in Indiana. The FAA's aircraft registry tells all.)
Are we not hearing the transmissions from someone else? It sounds like 5SP was talking to someone else that wasn't 5US and that's what made 5US so mad? Not sure
Attitudes and talk..... Being 2 pupils going for the examination, the inspector arrived late, very late in the spring afternoon... He was the chief of another airport.... The other guy, Lennart E, was clearly nervous so I "sent" him out for the first round. He managed... Then I got into the seat. Heavy sidewind at take off so the standard procedure was practised, "Nail" the plane to the runway and get good speed to avoid drifting out among the bushes. Then a determinate nose up, like a jump, and lowering the nose. The inspector got a like hick up, pointed out that we didn't have two jet engines pushing..... Then a stall exercise was misunderstood. I flew down to critical speed.... "You've been flying in stall for long,,,,". Then the inspector told: "I can harass You so You would not manage to tell You name"... My reply was: "Sure You can and I can't kick You out.".... Then some okey exercise until the tower sent us to a holding position I knew well. The trouble was one more plane was sent to the same holding, and it was pitch black! I initiated the circling in the right place but the other plane made a different turn... I was asked why I didn't follow the red and green lights ahead. My reply:" I've been thinking about going for a night permission but not this early." The inspector kept quite... Landing.... What the hell... I aimed at the runway lights, some 2 feet higher then the ground and stalled the craft. Bomp, down on the ground. "A determinate landing" said the inspector... I got my license.
This airport does not have a ATC controller. Pilots self-manage. Regarding the conflict between 85SP and N455US , it seems like they both communicated AND understood what the other person was going to do, but then don't seem to understand that this will put them dangerously close to each other, crossing each other on the runways. Neither acknowledges the risk, neither claims nor yields priority, both seem guilty of making this serious oversight. This problem is dangerous and both pilots are at fault for not communicating until a clear and safe routing for both is achieved. That said, only P28A seems to have chosen to be a jerk about it, which is definitely against the rules. Unfortunately, we can't hear some radio transmissions that aren't on this recording at all. We hear both aircraft interacting with them, but we cannot hear them. It is likely ground staff, refuelers, etc who put the blame for the conflict on N455US, which triggered the foul response. Also, you may want to blame N455US because 85SP indicated his plan first, but we are listening to an audio clip, and we don't know what was on the radio before this clip. We (on UA-cam) cannot be sure who entered the airspace, the frequency, or who announced first.
Agreed! Very possible that 5US made his call 5 minutes earlier when he was 10 miles out and no one else was on Freq. Then when the approach made its call 5 miles out, 5US spoke up to announce where he was since a new plane entered the area. The plane on approach could have slowed down a tad too. I agree that both could have communicated a bit more to deconflict the situation. As the airport is a left hand pattern, the guy flying the straight in needs to yield to aircraft in the pattern, imo he was the one in the wrong here.
@@wjatube he still had the high ground, morally and physically. He was defending the 3rd party on the ground who, based on what little we can hear, likely was trying to alert the Cherokee to the hazard posed by the plane that cut him off and commented on said hazard. When someone does something dangerous, then attacks someone calling them out, it is morally acceptable to reply to the prior in kind, and the Cherokee pilot did it in a very SFW manner.
This video title is nonsense, the older pilot wasnt talking to the other pilot. He was talking to the pick-up truck and telling him to shut up since he is not in an airplane. He makes a valid point if it was just chatter, especially if the truck guy was talking trash.
IMHO this is OK since there weren't any other aircraft around, though KGIF is typically busy. With Jack Brown's seaplane base at the field it's critical to have lots of communication.
Landing pilot announced he was in circuit for 29 but ‘touch & go’ continued an approach for 5 regardless thereby setting up a conflict. Which was the runway in use?
KGIF is a non-towered airfield. There is no such thing as “the runway in use” or “the active runway”. Each pilot gets to choose what runway they will use and communicate such on CTAF to the other pilots on this common traffic frequency. Since the Seneca was the second party to enter the scene, the polite thing to do would be for him to extend his downwind on 5 to follow the Cherokee on the instrument approach.
@@Stepclimb To be fair, we are listening to an audio clip, and we don't know what was on the radio before this clip. We cannot be sure who entered or announced first.
@@Stepclimb - how do you know it was the second party to enter the scene. He was right over midfield when the practice approach was 5 miles out! Anyway, the airport uses left hand patterns, so the straight in approach isn't going to get preference to someone in the pattern. Not sure why people think 5US violated some rule here. Sure, he could have played nicer and allowed the straight in to finish his practice, but he didn't have to. Yeah, it sucks for people practicing an IFR approach, but the easier thing is to just file an IFR flight plan and perform the approach with a controlled airport.
Well …. It is a bit disconcerting that so many pilots commenting here can not seem to agree on who had the right of way 😮 Kind of like when you have 9 members of the Supreme Court who are supposed to be the best of the best and the brightest legal minds in the country and they can not agree what is clearly WRITTEN on a 200 + year old document 🤔
I feel like if N85SP identified himself every time he opened his mouth, as one should, he probably wouldn't be opening his mouth so much. He reminds me of some of the characters Mikey Day plays on SNL.
The proper term used is “Going around”. Not, going missed. Awful lot of sloppy comms out there in an effort to sound cool. Flying is cool. Proper terminology is even cooler.
ATC will use the term “Go Around” as necessary. They will not say go missed approach. With almost a quarter century as a Captain on the MD-11, I assure you we used the term “Going Around”. It’s always a pleasure to hear proper, concise comms. But again, in my 37 years of commercial flying after flying in the Navy, it’s continued to get rather loose out there. I found great satisfaction in professional comms.
I disagree. The Seneca was in the pattern and the practice approach plane was not. A 5 mile straight in approach is not even close to being first in line to land vs a plane over midfield entering the published left hand pattern for the field.
He clearly went there to shoot the approach, what difference does it make if it's VFR? How hard would of it been for the Seneca to extend downwind or land on 5. The old boomer sounds like an old boomer that doesn't belong in a plane.
@@timrainger8908 kick rocks, man. “Going missed” is common (even if not standard) phraseology. Shooting an approach for practice in VFR conditions is common for people who are working on their instrument rating, or who just want to keep their skills sharp. Everything that the Cherokee did was acceptable. The boomer violated right-of-way, and swore on frequency when he got called out for it.
The third party rightfully called him out and then his response removed all doubt about him truly being a dangerous inept asshole.
Third parties "calling out" a perceived navigation error on an active frequency is a non productive use of transmission time and a provided convenience meant to enhance safety. No one can be sure of the completeness of the situation based on limited information, and pilots often make very self serving, pious, remarks in these situation over the radio. I don't think the two parties wanted a collision and mistakes in airmanship can be handled in other ways. In other words " knock it off "
As a ramper, you have no idea how much I want to say this whenever a pilot with an over-inflated ego comes through
😂😂😂 been there, kingair Pilots have some of the most inflated egos. Nothing a strap from the right prop holding it won't fix when they never do walk arounds 😂😂😂😂 (Pt6 only) 😂😂😂
Stay on 'em.
Why is a ramp rat bothering the pilots anyway? If you're looking for sympathy you're not going to find it in the comment section of BotTube.
@@16-BITFPVPeople are worthy of being treated with respect whether they are garbage collectors, line workers, or even lowly King Air pilots.
Considering that most pilots have overinflated ego... perhaps you've chosen your occupation wrongly?
Old news, but it’s always a good reminder of what NOT to do.
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That escalated quickly. Proper coms but also cooler heads.
Missed approach and go around are used interchangeably. In this video, N85SP called missed when N455US caused a potential runway incursion by landing in front of him. N455US could have extended his downwind to permit N85SP to perform his touch and go but he didn't. That posed a safety hazard as he was alerted with enough time to join and extend his downwind to permit N85SP to perform his touch and go. He selfishly did not. Further, he did not properly communicate that he planned to land ahead of N85SP. N85SP announced missed approach and flew it, a climbing left turn, then announced he was departing the pattern.
We do not know who was communicating on the ground and it doesn't matter as this comm appeared to be a safety enhancement. It could have been a fuel guy on Unicom or airport staff. I've flown numerous times out of KGIF and it's a wonderful airport...got my SES there at Jack Brown's. Everyone is so accommodating and friendly. Communications from N455US are anomalies that stain general aviation.
I don’t get it. 455US was in the pattern so they had right of way.
@apennameandthata2017 "right of way" doesn't necessarily mean it's the "right way". There is a basic level of courtesy and respect you should show to create a safer and friendlier flying environment
This seems to have just been all on CTAF hrnce 'Winter Haven traffic' callouts
Aircraft in the pattern always have the right of way than the straight in aircraft. As a turbine pilot I would prefer doing a straight-in if that gets me in faster. However I always respect the people in the pattern and always have a plan B weather to do a 360 on final or join the upwind and do the pattern with the rest.
@Jopanaguiton I've been on an instrument approach in IMC down to 700AGL on a non precision approach. Suddenly a helicopter chimes in and says he's on the downwind, does he still have right of way? Abusing right of way rules is not the right way to do it
First thing I thought was the twin could have extended his downwind as a courtesy. The right of way isn’t the issue, just like nothing says I have to hold the door open for someone and let them go in first, but I do, and I don’t cuss them out for being in my way.
"Kick rocks man" second time I hear this expression in an aviation video :D
Should pilots say “punch clouds” or somethin 😂
Haha! We say that term a lot around here in Florida. It’s nicer than saying F OFF 😉😂
@@Mattball82 keep your blue side down
A little context for us land lubbers would go a long way because I have no idea why the grumpy guy was pissed off.
It's a non-towered airport so there is a radio frequency everyone in the area tunes into and you just make announcements of what you're planning to do, what you're doing, and or where you're at. There are of course some laws out there on how you can operate your aircraft, who has right of way, etc and there's some guidance out there on how you're supposed to fly into, out of, and around non-towered airports but generally you can pretty much fly however you want as long as your not breaking any of the very obvious laws, a radio isn't even a requirement.
So the first plane making the transmission was on final approach for runway five, they were on some sort of practice instrument approach. They said where they were, what they were planning to do, they were set up to land the plane on runway five and they were going to land it on five. The other plane calls in and says where he is what he's planning to do, he's planning to overfly the airport then set up and land on the intersecting runway 29. The second plane heard the first plane and knows what the first plan intends to do. The second plane eventually is able to see the second plane and sets himself up on a downwind leg for 29 (part of a common traffic pattern for landing which is paralell the runway but flying opposite direction). He knew the first plane was planning to land and was set up for it but the second plane flies his traffic pattern in such a way that he gets set up to land and lands ahead of the first plane. Because of the intersecting runways it's no longer safe for the first plane to land. The first plane correctly identifies this and begins to execute a missed approach. The second plane possibly violated the law on who has the right of way when landing, possibly not, but he knew what the first plane was doing and easily could have extended his downwind to give the first plane time to land and them set himself up to land and instead effectively cut off the first plane. Now the first plane has to completely set himself up to land again instead of the second plane just taking a couple extra minutes to land.
Now with all of that out of the way, there was someone on the ground on the radio frequency on probably a handheld radio, he was listening in and watched the whole thing transpire. Whoever recorded the air traffic audio was not able to pick up this individual's radio transmissions because the signal from his handheld wasn't strong enough so we're not able to hear them in these clips. He most likely warned the first plane to go around with the first plane saying, "Yeah, I see that." The individual on the handheld possibly makes another snide remark on the second plane going ahead of him, as the first plane seems to respond to it. But as discussed before, the second plane might not have violated any rules but it was kind of a dick thing to do and could have led to an unsafe scenario. The pilot of the second plane gets mad for being called out and gets angry. I hope this long ass explanation is helpful lol.
@@ygoMADMATTVery helpful, thank you.
@@ygoMADMATT Helped me. Thanks mate.
@@ygoMADMATT - I don't see 5US (the "second" plane) as cutting anyone off. The airport has procedures and it appears a left hand pattern is the standard pattern. If you are doing a straight in approach, you are not following a standard pattern. He wasn't on an IFR plan, he was flying a practice approach and was most definitely at a higher altitude when the other plane crossed midfield. Yes, it was somewhat of a selfish move for 5US to not extend and allow the practice approach to finish, but saying he violated procedures is too much.
@@raymort3 you are literally the Sherlock Holmes of analyzing ATC comms. Bravo and well done, good sir. Bravo and well done.
This is why you should always keep sound effects on your phone, to play ‘baby crying’ when aggressive fools say stuff like that
I’ve worked closely with physicians for 15 years. This channel (and others like it) impress upon me that the vast majority of pilots, like doctors, are perfectly nice people. But it’s the tiny percentage with a God complex that make life hell for everyone.
Also, my observations as a pilot for 20+ years and a captain at an international airline: The pilots with a God complex are almost always terrible pilots. Whether it be low skill level or bad CRM, they are dreadful to fly with.
He acts like flying an airplane under normal VFR conditions is the hardest thing in the world. Some people make it so hard to do the simplest tasks
Actually… highly illegal use of a radio… and could be fined by the FCC and the FAA.
It is, but unfortunately not enforced!
That's what I was thinking.
FCC and the FAA are busy worried about toy helicopters and toy airplanes.
FCC doesnt enforce anything. else half the truckers should be in prison for amping and reverbing and essentially overriding frequencies
@@johndonovan7018 when I worked for the FAA I road around with the under cover FCC enforcement unit… if they want you, they can find you and you will not even know it. The vehicles are loaded with hidden equipment and antennas. They look like regular vehicles. Really cool set ups.
florida is a friendly place.
Oh its not just FL man.... New England, Cali, Texas, AZ, NV.... humans vary little
@@sparky6200 its one of these things, if you know, it will make sense. i cant explain it, you have to know and then you will know.
That jerk pilot makes it seem that Indiana isn't quite so friendly. (The aircraft is owned by an individual in Indiana. The FAA's aircraft registry tells all.)
@@YaGottaBeKidding indiana is ok.... ohio on the other hand.. oh god ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuun
@@johndonovan7018 😅🤣😂 Gotta love rivalries!
Very professional!
pro wrestlers are called professionals
"Air Rage Unhinged", coming to theaters soon.🤨
There’s no room for this kind of crap in flying.
That guys licences should be suspended
Are we not hearing the transmissions from someone else? It sounds like 5SP was talking to someone else that wasn't 5US and that's what made 5US so mad? Not sure
Attitudes and talk.....
Being 2 pupils going for the examination, the inspector arrived late, very late in the spring afternoon...
He was the chief of another airport....
The other guy, Lennart E, was clearly nervous so I "sent" him out for the first round. He managed...
Then I got into the seat. Heavy sidewind at take off so the standard procedure was practised, "Nail" the plane to the runway and get good speed to avoid drifting out among the bushes. Then a determinate nose up, like a jump, and lowering the nose. The inspector got a like hick up, pointed out that we didn't have two jet engines pushing.....
Then a stall exercise was misunderstood. I flew down to critical speed.... "You've been flying in stall for long,,,,". Then the inspector told: "I can harass You so You would not manage to tell You name"...
My reply was: "Sure You can and I can't kick You out."....
Then some okey exercise until the tower sent us to a holding position I knew well. The trouble was one more plane was sent to the same holding, and it was pitch black!
I initiated the circling in the right place but the other plane made a different turn...
I was asked why I didn't follow the red and green lights ahead.
My reply:" I've been thinking about going for a night permission but not this early." The inspector kept quite...
Landing.... What the hell... I aimed at the runway lights, some 2 feet higher then the ground and stalled the craft. Bomp, down on the ground. "A determinate landing" said the inspector...
I got my license.
why was kid rock brought into it?
😂 I subscribed.
This airport does not have a ATC controller. Pilots self-manage. Regarding the conflict between 85SP and N455US , it seems like they both communicated AND understood what the other person was going to do, but then don't seem to understand that this will put them dangerously close to each other, crossing each other on the runways. Neither acknowledges the risk, neither claims nor yields priority, both seem guilty of making this serious oversight. This problem is dangerous and both pilots are at fault for not communicating until a clear and safe routing for both is achieved.
That said, only P28A seems to have chosen to be a jerk about it, which is definitely against the rules.
Unfortunately, we can't hear some radio transmissions that aren't on this recording at all. We hear both aircraft interacting with them, but we cannot hear them. It is likely ground staff, refuelers, etc who put the blame for the conflict on N455US, which triggered the foul response.
Also, you may want to blame N455US because 85SP indicated his plan first, but we are listening to an audio clip, and we don't know what was on the radio before this clip. We (on UA-cam) cannot be sure who entered the airspace, the frequency, or who announced first.
Agreed! Very possible that 5US made his call 5 minutes earlier when he was 10 miles out and no one else was on Freq. Then when the approach made its call 5 miles out, 5US spoke up to announce where he was since a new plane entered the area. The plane on approach could have slowed down a tad too. I agree that both could have communicated a bit more to deconflict the situation. As the airport is a left hand pattern, the guy flying the straight in needs to yield to aircraft in the pattern, imo he was the one in the wrong here.
Surprised they didn’t have a number for him to call…. Terrible use of the radio on his behalf!!!!
who's gonna do that? This is an uncontrolled airport
He had the high road then he actually said "kick rocks, man." 😅
@@wjatube still had the moral high ground.
@@wjatube he still had the high ground, morally and physically. He was defending the 3rd party on the ground who, based on what little we can hear, likely was trying to alert the Cherokee to the hazard posed by the plane that cut him off and commented on said hazard.
When someone does something dangerous, then attacks someone calling them out, it is morally acceptable to reply to the prior in kind, and the Cherokee pilot did it in a very SFW manner.
@@AviationJeremy Definitely, kudos to N85SP
god i love ctaf
Definitely exhibited hazardous attitude.
Have entitled GA pilots stopped using correct radio communications ?
based
N455US should have has license pulled until his attitude improves.
Someone needs a cookie
I was going to suggest a nap.
On another note, was did that guy even mean? somethiung about a pickup truck?
The guy he is talking to is on the ground in a pickup not another pilot flying.
No he’s not…it’s tail #N85SP
Air rage
Add “ATTITUDE” to the PAVE checklist.
It's in IMSAFE checklist.. “E”motional hahaha 😆
Except there isn’t an air traffic controller within miles of here……
This video title is nonsense, the older pilot wasnt talking to the other pilot. He was talking to the pick-up truck and telling him to shut up since he is not in an airplane. He makes a valid point if it was just chatter, especially if the truck guy was talking trash.
IMHO this is OK since there weren't any other aircraft around, though KGIF is typically busy. With Jack Brown's seaplane base at the field it's critical to have lots of communication.
Sadly this type of behavior and language isn’t required if we are all professional pilots
Landing pilot announced he was in circuit for 29 but ‘touch & go’ continued an approach for 5 regardless thereby setting up a conflict. Which was the runway in use?
KGIF is a non-towered airfield. There is no such thing as “the runway in use” or “the active runway”.
Each pilot gets to choose what runway they will use and communicate such on CTAF to the other pilots on this common traffic frequency.
Since the Seneca was the second party to enter the scene, the polite thing to do would be for him to extend his downwind on 5 to follow the Cherokee on the instrument approach.
@@Stepclimb To be fair, we are listening to an audio clip, and we don't know what was on the radio before this clip. We cannot be sure who entered or announced first.
@@Stepclimb - how do you know it was the second party to enter the scene. He was right over midfield when the practice approach was 5 miles out! Anyway, the airport uses left hand patterns, so the straight in approach isn't going to get preference to someone in the pattern. Not sure why people think 5US violated some rule here. Sure, he could have played nicer and allowed the straight in to finish his practice, but he didn't have to. Yeah, it sucks for people practicing an IFR approach, but the easier thing is to just file an IFR flight plan and perform the approach with a controlled airport.
Well …. It is a bit disconcerting that so many pilots commenting here can not seem to agree on who had the right of way 😮 Kind of like when you have 9 members of the Supreme Court who are supposed to be the best of the best and the brightest legal minds in the country and they can not agree what is clearly WRITTEN on a 200 + year old document 🤔
Pretty sure that was Slim Whitman 5US
Yikes!
FCC violation
Sounds like half the conversation is missing. Cr&p!
Not his fault. It’s all if the streams can pick it up.
@@matthewalan458F
His fault he posts it. 😉
I need the whole conversation. ATC was left out.
Its an uncontrolled airport - thus no ATC
FAA investigating as well as FCC complaint
I feel like if N85SP identified himself every time he opened his mouth, as one should, he probably wouldn't be opening his mouth so much. He reminds me of some of the characters Mikey Day plays on SNL.
Take his license away
Lol
Going missed? What is this
When flying IFR approaches if you can't land for whatever reason you follow the missed approach procedure, most pilots just say going missed.
@@camerondavis6659 thanks. I am aware of missed approach but never heared it transmitting, must be an American thing
The proper term used is “Going around”. Not, going missed. Awful lot of sloppy comms out there in an effort to sound cool. Flying is cool. Proper terminology is even cooler.
@@davenehilla9610 Can you confirm this is an American style to sound cool or is it appropriate down there?
ATC will use the term “Go Around” as necessary. They will not say go missed approach. With almost a quarter century as a Captain on the MD-11, I assure you we used the term “Going Around”. It’s always a pleasure to hear proper, concise comms. But again, in my 37 years of commercial flying after flying in the Navy, it’s continued to get rather loose out there. I found great satisfaction in professional comms.
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The Seneca guy definitely was in the wrong here he just landed when someone else was on final before him.
I disagree. The Seneca was in the pattern and the practice approach plane was not. A 5 mile straight in approach is not even close to being first in line to land vs a plane over midfield entering the published left hand pattern for the field.
Oh sorry, I didn’t realize this was communist Sweden
Sweden is not communist
And @@UnrealNarcissist never watched The Office 🙄
Not every comment is for you you stupid narcissist
It's a reference to a line from the office.
@@RJM536 that explains why it’s wrong
Im with the old boomer on this one. Other guy sounds like a Riddle rat nerd. “Im going missed!” Take it easy dude its VFR.
So for those of that don’t fly can you explain what happened in terms we will understand, if that’s possible.
He clearly went there to shoot the approach, what difference does it make if it's VFR? How hard would of it been for the Seneca to extend downwind or land on 5. The old boomer sounds like an old boomer that doesn't belong in a plane.
@@timrainger8908 kick rocks, man.
“Going missed” is common (even if not standard) phraseology. Shooting an approach for practice in VFR conditions is common for people who are working on their instrument rating, or who just want to keep their skills sharp.
Everything that the Cherokee did was acceptable. The boomer violated right-of-way, and swore on frequency when he got called out for it.
@@turbo2ltr Who *belongs* in planes according to yourself?
@@whatilearnttoday5295 People with the attitude of safe and courteous aircraft operation.