Disney History Lesson - Don Bluth and the Disney Exodus
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Hey there everybody! Today we're doing a bit of a double feature, looking at one of the most influential faces in animation, Don Bluth, as well as the moment that changed the Disney Studios forever, a moment I've dubbed The Disney Exodus.
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Dang, didn't expect it to be that big of a blow to Disney. Don had his reasons and we probably wouldn't have gotten all the great movies he and his team made if he didn't leave.
Competition does tend to lead to both sides stepping up their games, so in away, this helped kickstart the Renaissance
This was quite the dark time for the Disney Animation Studio, but like you said and I agree that the mass resignation of talented people might have served as a wake-up call that something was wrong. As for Don Bluth I remember some of his movies and quite enjoyed them and respect his love of animation and the effort he put into the medium.
I'm glad Don Bluth left! If he hadn't we wouldn't have The Secret of NIMH, An American Tail, The Land Before Time, or All Dogs Go To Heaven! All Classics!!!
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I agree an I love an have all those his style of animation is so warmth
@@sandrixhozart7838 nice
Add my personal favourite movies as well: Thumbelina, A Troll In Central Park and Anastasia
so true
Happy that you're back +Joe the Disney Guy also yeah Don Bluth is a great Disney animator but he's not the "Walt Disney" he has been paying a lot of money out of his pocket for making his shorts, video games and animated films with different Studios like Universal, MGM and Fox. But he's a survivor on the animation industry.
I've always had great respect for Don Bluth. Fantastic animator and it takes a lot of talent and determination to stick around this industry as long as he has
Joe The Disney Guy indeed
Another great video Joe. As a former employee of Disney it’s always awesome to learn more about the inner workings of the company.
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Don bluth is my second favorite animator I love his films especially an American tail
Even though Bluth had good intentions on preserving the animation medium, painting those who opposed him as the bad guys didn't help his case leaving a bad taste in people's mouths. I don't have less respect for Bluth as he's a talented filmmaker, but agreed. He could've handled the situation so much better.
Joe: You didn't mention about the animated sequence in 1980's film "Xanadu" -- the first completed project by Don Bluth's new studio. The general assumption was that they took on that project as a way to make the money necessary to complete Banjo the Woodpile Cat.
Great video as always Joe. I find that Don and such leaving was in the end a good thing for Disney as competition tends to lead to better films. As for Don himself I'm a massive fan of his work (hell even his bad movies have some great animation) and his overall life story in the industry is interesting and I hope the Dragon's Lair movie goes well.
Thanks! And I'm inclined to agree, in the end, this split was probably the best for both parties, but is still fascinating to look back on and dissect
Is he finally able to make a Dragon's Lair movie? I know he was struggling to find funding for it.
The pitch has been finished and it looks great (I donated so I got to see it) and now they are presenting it to bigger studios to get funding. Lets hope for the best.
Great video. I've always like Don Bluth's style, especially when I was a kid.
Same
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Even as a fan of his works, from the impression I have from interviews and videos about him, Bluth seems to be a hard person to work with. He's rather arrogant, has a tenancy to pick favourites and thinks his way is the automatically best, even if he's wrong. He also seems to be not as receptive to 3d or 2d digital animation, preferring how things were done back in his day, from what he said during interviews. That isn't to say he's a bad person or a less influential animator, but I can see why Bluth would create a rift among the animators. To be fair, I don't blame Bluth for wanting to leave Disney either for the same reasons you said. He was an disgruntled employee, who hated the new direction Disney was taking, so he left to do his own thing.
With all those others leaving the company and rifts in the studio, saying that Disney was a dumpster fire at the time is an understatement. Something like that happen was bound to happen sooner or later.
But on the plus side, Don and the others leaving was in the end a good thing for Disney. It was the wake up call for them to get their act together. Competition lead to better films on Disney's end and we got some terrific animated films out of it on Don's end.
What I find a bit scary is that exact same situation happened again when Dreamworks was created 20 years later. I doubt the Dreamworks Exodus will be the last one. It seems to happen every 20 years or so, so I wouldn't be surprised if happens again in 10 years or even when the CEO steps down in 2021.
I kinda get that impression about Bluth as well. He is certainly headstrong and very confident/clear on his vision, and sometimes that sort of personality can rub people the wrong way.
As for the exoduses, I think that these are just the sort of things that sometimes happen in an environment with a lot of creative people. I've seen it to a lesser extent in my line of work, but when you have a lot of people with a lot of ideas, typically conflicting ideas, sometimes that powder keg explodes or sometimes people just decide, like Bluth did, that their vision no longer aligns with the vision of the company. The good news is that typically, this leads to an expansion of concepts/ideas/creative outlets, which is certainly good for everybody
You're right, this exodus will DEFINITELY happen again, seeing what Disney is doing now: Too many live action remakes and sequels, the Star Wars disaster, dependent on Marvel, the death of 2D animation in feature length films. Also how the pandemic is causing a big economic problem for Disney, with the constant lay-offs on its theme parks. I have no idea who is going to make the difference (or how soon) but it won't be that far, it's already been 20 years since DreamWorks began, so yeah, let's see who will rise from the ashes this time...
@@100lovenana While 2d animation is dead in the states it's still alive in both Europe and Japan.
This is probably the most well researched video I've ever seen on Don Bluth/Disney split, loads of interesting tid bits!
Thoroughly awesome video again man, I'd always wanted to know more about Don Bluth! Awesomely high quality content as always! Thanks!
Don Bluth leaving opened up the possibility of other animated movies being successful without being tied to "the disney formula". I recently looked at the older Disney movies and I do feel there was something the newer ones lacked, a sort of maturity that kinda went away for a while before the Renaissance happened. I think he and Ralph Bakshi paved the way for more flavors of animation
Don Bluth is the best!! I'm SOOOO happy he left. We got GREAT things from his own stuff and disney!
What would happens if Disney Anastasia if Don bluth stayed with disney
My Childhood's Favourite from Don Bluth are Anastasia , American Tail and Thumbelina
I was very happy to see another video from you, Joe :). Your work is always so informative and well presented. I am a fan of Don Bluth's work (with a few exceptions and even then the animation is wonderful.) I know you are the "Disney" guy, but have you ever thought about reviewing some of Bluth's work? If so I think now would be a good time as you are almost right in that spot where Disney was not quite back to its height. Just a thought.
Wonderful video and I hope your new job is going well. Keep up the great work and I look forward to your next video.
Being a Disney guy, it maaaay be a little hard to look at some of their competition, but never say never!
The next film is The Black Cauldron, which is the big black sheep of Disney, and probably the darkest in terms of the story and it's production history.
God damn. I thought you were dead. Glad to have uou back bro. You're videos are so informative and well put together. Thanks :)
It fascinates me to wonder what Disney would have been if Bluth had stayed and the young animators had remained united. Would the renaissance movies have looked the way they do? Would they have been as successful? Would the movies Bluth produced with his own company have looked different under Disney's watch? I consider the work out of both studios at the time some of the finest pieces of art ever done in the medium of animation. Perhaps in a different state of affairs they all could have been unrecognizable. The world will never know.
Definitely one of the great what ifs. Hard for me to imagine that things would have gone the way that they did without this major overhaul at the studio
I have to admit that Don Bluth directed animated movies that rivaled Disney in the 1980's thru the 1990's, but I do know that he started out as a Disney animator. So maybe we can call this Disney Legends: Don Bluth?
Disney Legend is definitely tough because of his role as basically Disney's biggest competition for the bulk of his career, but it will be interesting to see where he fits into Disney history as time goes on
You're right. I mean Don didn't stay at Disney because he didn't like how the late 1970's Disney atmosphere was turning out. And I learned more about him through AniMat's Animation Lookback of Don Bluth. If he stayed at Disney he wouldn't have directed the movies he became famous for including The Secret of NIMH, An American Tail, The Land Before Time, All Dogs Go to Heaven, Anastasia and Titan A.E. And I hear he is trying to make the Dragon's Lair Movie despite being 80 years old. It's pretty tough to try to make projects of your own when you're an animator working at Disney who wants to resign to find your own path. Then again, some animators move from working up the ladder then they start over like Bluth did.
Don bluth has such a distinctive style of animation. When you see anything he did you can tell right away its a bluth animation. I mean that woodpile cat just screams bluth and what was to come! 👌
You should dp a video about Jeffrey Katzenberg's time at The Walt Disney Company and how he left to establish Dreamworks after Michael Eisner refused to promote him to President after Frank Wells died in 1994.
I hope see your review on The Black Caudren real soon and it's really sad the Bluth left the studio but from were I stand, he just need to get out of that company.
I can't wait for the Black Cauldron review.
I want to find that movie along of sword in the stone
The most impressive fact about Don Bluth is that he was able to direct 11 animated movies after leaving Disney. I don't know any director who did so many film with such art quality despite the war Disney made to him.
8:00-8:50 Basically the same situation a certain UA-cam web reviewing channel was under as well.
Yeah, Don Bluth, even at his highest point, could never surpass Disney at it's finest. But still I do like some of his movies, and he's made some great ones. Disney is the reason though he didn't stick around at his highest for that long. And The Little Mermaid did cause the Disney renaissance and All Dogs Go to Heaven to fail at the box office (there were released the same day)
Oh yeah, fantastic video and very interesting like always!
HOLY CRAP A NEW VIDEO
Also, first. I am so sorry.
Did you see his Fox & The Hound review? It didn't appear in my sub box until today with this video.
Bluthe is my favorite but still have love for disney
Fantastic video!
Basically it’s the executives that were to blame in my opinion, they were just too close minded to Don’s ideas, even when his ideas were thought out well enough of how to bring back certain techniques without it costing that much extra, but they just were too close minded to listen.
Hey Joe! I hope things are going well for you recently and I was wondering if you know when we should expect to see the Black Cauldron review? Cause I am really exctied!
Hopefully soon! I had planned on finishing earlier this week but some medical issues have come up that have sidelined me a bit, so hopefully everything gets resolved soon and I can finish editing!
Ok. Hopefully that goes well and good luck with the rest of the editing too! I also do understand how annoying medical stuff can be.
Fascinating video! I can’t help but agree with Mr. Bluth in a lot of ways. 70s Disney really felt soulless to me, even as a kid I really disliked everything from Jungle Book-Rescuers. It was so tonally off to me and the thick black, choppy animation lines just really put me off. Plus they relied too much on cheap visual gags. Fox and the Hound is better but still has that problem.
Wow!
Please make another Disney guy review joe I'm waiting for you
Today 1/18/18 is Winnie the Pooh day! (The birthday of A A Milne)
Joe, can you please do the black Cauldron someday?
Walt’s daughters hubby had too much power
Ironic--Bluth had to be working in 1979 on a segment entitled "Don't Walk Away"
As a bonus, can you review Mary Poppins, just because of the 2nd movie will be coming to theaters on Christmas day this year? Just asking
Joe, where are you?
I'm still waiting for you to review the Black Cauldron.
+Joe the Disney Guy Hey, man! When can we expect the next Disney Movie review?
Next video! So hopefully pretty soon!
Joe The Disney Guy Great! I wonder which one it'll be. The Black Cauldron, or something else entirely.
the Great Mouse Detective is next!
Joe The Disney Guy Hey dude! It's been three months already, so when's the next Disney Guy Review coming up? I'm really excited to see wahtever it is.
Don bluth is the second isperation animatior I'm a huge fan
The irony of ironies is that though Don left Disney because he felt it wasn't living up to what it could be, Disney bounced back starting in the late eighties, and Bluth (despite a brief return to form with Anastasia) crashed and burned with turkeys like Thumbelina, A Troll In Central Park, and The Pebble and the Penguin. I wonder what made the difference?
Would you say it was the "Dexodus"?
Bluth as villain? He was shot down and shot down; he had real justifying "in the name of WD"; they could hardly give proper notice, then expect respectful treatment from thpse disrespectful higher-ups.
So no more videos? It’s been three months
Hey Joe, will you be making a new video soon?
Joe, where were you?
I want you to review The Black Cauldron.
I'm here I'm here, there has been a lot of stuff holding things up unfortunately (gave updates on my Twitter) but check out the channel tomorrow!
Remember Joe, the black Cauldron was not only the first Disney Movie to have a Walt Disney Pictures Logo, but also the first Disney film to have the credits to come at the end of the movie instead of before the movie starts.
Remember; "The Black Cauldron can never be destroyed."
As a bonus I might show you the first ever end Credits and the vert first Walt Disney pictures Logo ever made!
ua-cam.com/video/hV70F3ygCRY/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/b2CLTQraB0c/v-deo.html
Be sure that tomorrow, you can mention them both.
@@alexcarlson663 Actually, I think that TRON was the first Disney movie to have end credits, although it is a mostly live action movie.
Where did Joe go?
When are you coming back
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You mean John Pomeroy.
Maybe I Think Jeff Pomeroy Instead Of John Pomeroy
Hey, Joe. Great video as always. Can't wait for you to cover the Disney Renaissance! If you want more info about Don Bluth's departure from the man himself, here's an interview done by Doug Walker.
ua-cam.com/video/aPRRhOQlNHo/v-deo.html
Question: what do you think is Don Bluth's best movie and what do you think his worst movie is?
That's a hard question on both sides because there's a number of Bluth movies that I really like and a number I really don't. Best is probably Secret of NIMH, and worst....hmmm...Troll in Central Park maybe?
A great animator, but I find his character designs really ugly and off-putting. I am interested in seeing his Dragon’s Lair movie though, if it ever gets finished.