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  • Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
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  • @duckie9767
    @duckie9767 Рік тому +488

    Hey good to see my army defending our duck nation*quack*

  • @ThatOneTechy
    @ThatOneTechy Рік тому +99

    For themed Maps Farmland would be very fitting as its resembles the D00Ms Revenge Map where the duck hunt event took place, which is where the ducky skins first Originated

    • @zyko69
      @zyko69 Рік тому +4

      Not where the duck hunt first took place (eggy island was) but ducky skins yes not bunny though

    • @ThatOneTechy
      @ThatOneTechy Рік тому +5

      @@zyko69 The eggy island invasion was the Egg hunt Event, Not Duck hunt as, well you weren't hunting ducks. Thats why the skins from that event are bunny themed. So yes, 2022 is when The first (and only) Duck hunt event took place because 2020 was the Egg hunt. In reference to everything being Either egg themed or easter themed with the exception of ducky d00m

    • @scissor1603
      @scissor1603 Рік тому +3

      I do duck skin only with my friend in spring fever cuz the there's word "spring" on it

    • @CasualOof
      @CasualOof Рік тому

      Hey man can you please check out toy defense again it got a revamp

    • @AmNotBeefan
      @AmNotBeefan 5 місяців тому

      also its a farm
      soo....
      animals,
      ducks?!?!?!??!!

  • @A1rStar123
    @A1rStar123 Рік тому +45

    "Season them, throw em in the oven 350 degrees fahrenheit for 30 minutes. Im going to have the best dinner tonight..." ~ Elite 2023

  • @Clean_SN1P3Z
    @Clean_SN1P3Z Рік тому +21

    dang poor ducks, bro wanted to season them, put them in the oven for 350 degrees for 30 minutes and eat them 💀

  • @우진김-u2s
    @우진김-u2s Рік тому +18

    i like how Elite trys to avoid anything related to Pizza party

  • @Thunderswap_gaming
    @Thunderswap_gaming Рік тому +7

    Hey Elite
    You played a game called 'Toy Defenders' in the video 'lowest rated tower defense game' and it got a complete remake and I was wondering if u could play it again

  • @2fps_man
    @2fps_man Рік тому +100

    Something you need to know about Gilded Path is that sometimes it makes the towers' targeting almost as bad as pursuit
    Thats why I don't like playing on that map at all (I'd rather go to other insane maps that don't mess up with towers' targeting)

    • @alexswanson5274
      @alexswanson5274 Рік тому +4

      Ok

    • @Timeless69420
      @Timeless69420 Рік тому +2

      @@alexswanson5274 Well, if all the maps were easy, the game would be boing. Gilded Path reminds us of the golden titan which once roamed these tds lands. Gilded Path also provides a challenge to high level players

    • @toejammergaming
      @toejammergaming Рік тому +2

      @@Timeless69420they only said “ok”, doesn’t mean they agree
      also they did not even say all maps should be easy

    • @milo-ml3rd
      @milo-ml3rd Рік тому

      He said he's gonna eat your whole army 🪖

    • @2fps_man
      @2fps_man Рік тому

      @@Timeless69420 Actually, you got a really good point. I think Gilded Path gives a unique challenge compared to other insane maps in the form of bad targeting.
      Maybe if Below made map rewards (like the one in the scores tab that didn't work) soon then the map would actually be meaningful.

  • @IranianShrek
    @IranianShrek Рік тому +24

    hey elite, i do not know if you view your comments, but for this double pathed maps, me and my friends were playing and found out, to make the accels targetting better you just need to set it to closest, then it targets their own path and doesnt suddenly switch

  • @Pumpkindawg
    @Pumpkindawg Рік тому +4

    Thank you for posting you haven’t in a while you’re my favorite tds UA-camr

  • @BriannaCarrollBoyle
    @BriannaCarrollBoyle Рік тому +3

    I used to watch u all the time. And coming back to this is nosta

  • @match8bull303
    @match8bull303 Рік тому +7

    I just have a feeling that the devs do not like DJ or forget that he needs skins too so that's prob why there is no DJ duck which I think would be really cool to see

    • @pov115
      @pov115 Рік тому +3

      Its actually probably because dj skins are really special, with different songs for each one

    • @user-vo9he5ml6u
      @user-vo9he5ml6u Рік тому

      Yeah we kinda need a new one the last f2p one was like 3 years ago or robux atleast

    • @RandomQuackling
      @RandomQuackling Рік тому

      but what about the duck song, and if that's copyrighted maybe the instrumentals of it

    • @match8bull303
      @match8bull303 Рік тому

      @@RandomQuacklingBut they have a music artist. He can come up with a duck song

  • @olivergwynne4290
    @olivergwynne4290 Рік тому +2

    Just wanted to say, Elite, your my favourite youtuber that I've even used your star code on roblox!

  • @OMGREALDUMMYFROMDVN
    @OMGREALDUMMYFROMDVN Рік тому +6

    "Fun" fact: Basically, sometimes when you place a tower it literally makes every single enemy in it's range disappear for no reason, one example is that I placed a Mortar and it cleared a wave without shooting

    • @lowhillfather
      @lowhillfather 10 місяців тому

      animation bug

    • @OMGREALDUMMYFROMDVN
      @OMGREALDUMMYFROMDVN 10 місяців тому

      @@lowhillfather I am pretty sure it's server-sided because the wave actually ended there. Also the other times I encountered it the enemies were actually no longer there. But Im pretty it was fixed.

  • @xanderjustinnefresco7532
    @xanderjustinnefresco7532 4 місяці тому +1

    White ducky scout: "wow thats cute"
    Black ducky warden: "now thats not that cute"
    0:29

  • @canalfamiliar302
    @canalfamiliar302 Рік тому +7

    Also I love Elite’s reaction to all of the bosses from mysteries 🤣👍😭

  • @LemonM2
    @LemonM2 Рік тому +9

    I wonder when there will be an actual event instead of some skins

    • @buggiebug56
      @buggiebug56 Рік тому +1

      yeah its been like 4 months tds is just making stupid ass crates
      atleast the skins are decent

    • @ZIMOU2014
      @ZIMOU2014 Рік тому

      Maybe there will be a summer event (there definitely won't be)

    • @APS378
      @APS378 Рік тому +3

      ​@@buggiebug56 at least we getting minor updates every so weeks instead of waiting for a new update every 6 months

    • @ZIMOU2014
      @ZIMOU2014 Рік тому

      @@Razpurple_star hopefully the event is easy so I can get my first event tower

    • @EmpyreusAwakening
      @EmpyreusAwakening Рік тому +2

      @@Razpurple_star Yeah..
      tds events are more on the side of ruining the game than is helping it, lets start off with the main issue
      1) Events take too much time off of the developers schedule for the more evergreen and important features, such as pvp, next hidden wave, matchmaking, chaos mode, tower concepts and more quality of life features
      2) Tds isn’t dying because of “lack of events” its only losing players due to the fact its not really replayable at all
      3) your point can’t be proved just because of the fact you’re a high level player, that just is an ego boost

  • @Fluffymessi10
    @Fluffymessi10 Рік тому +9

    I’ve never seen Elite being so elite at ragequitting talk

  • @CasualDjungelskogBeliever
    @CasualDjungelskogBeliever Рік тому +9

    They made pumpkin cowboy so much worse in looks compared to previous versions. Black and red combo is better than just orange and blue.

  • @fedtdm5
    @fedtdm5 Рік тому +5

    yo can you please say something about the ribs thing (ik im cringe) nice vid tho

  • @2fps_man
    @2fps_man Рік тому +45

    You should've used the mortars for the mysteries and the fallens and glitches bc they're actually useful against especially when ur struggling against them
    Edit: Also I STILL don't get why mysteries can become bosses but necromancers (non-beta ones) can't. Like even if the necromancers can spawn one boss each spawn they wouldn't be super hard (at least not wave 25 hc level)

  • @mechaniccccc
    @mechaniccccc Рік тому +2

    Alternate title: Elite slowly loses his mind because of duck skins in tower defense game

  • @planetwastaken237
    @planetwastaken237 Рік тому +6

    man went into a full range of emotions while recording this video

    • @Rachvvie
      @Rachvvie Рік тому +1

      Hes becoming *crazy* 🤩

  • @JustAPot
    @JustAPot Рік тому +29

    The only reason i want ducky farm is because it aligns with the placement circle

    • @Local_user
      @Local_user Рік тому +1

      True

    • @sparkystar8
      @sparkystar8 Рік тому +2

      i have it already when the duck hunt battlepass was there and i got it from there

    • @RealGraaviti
      @RealGraaviti Рік тому +1

      Me i want ducky farm bcs i want a farm skin

    • @sokhaem1798
      @sokhaem1798 Рік тому

      same, but also because I want a farm skin

    • @hyurinnagata1616
      @hyurinnagata1616 Рік тому

      I just wanted th ducky farm cuz it's cute and look cool

  • @v6nti
    @v6nti Рік тому +2

    Elite: "it will be pretty peaceful" Also elite after most of the mysteries spawn abnormal bosses: "W-WHAT? WHAT HOW"

  • @imnateandthatswhatibuilt6948
    @imnateandthatswhatibuilt6948 Рік тому +1

    Remember when you played Toy Defense it got a big update and looks like a whole new game

  • @LanceJosephBuhaybuhay
    @LanceJosephBuhaybuhay Рік тому +1

    Elite i challenge you to try and play toy defense again and reach wave 10

  • @mrgrapefruit1757
    @mrgrapefruit1757 Рік тому +4

    "let's just hope that they're not gonna... uhh are they gonna... they probably are gonna" - Elite 2023
    Well said

    • @Rachvvie
      @Rachvvie Рік тому

      They are gonna----

  • @JustA1ex2465
    @JustA1ex2465 Рік тому +3

    I actually see the difference in quality between 2022 and 2023 ducky skins. So there’s progress, very good actually

    • @Yanchik008
      @Yanchik008 Рік тому +3

      I dont think thats a fair comparison, because back in the 2022 devs also made an entire event, with unique enemies, boss, engineer tower, shotgunner rework and etc, and not just skins.

    • @crimumb4839
      @crimumb4839 Рік тому

      @@Yanchik008 they did the same thing with violent night yet the skins were quality

    • @Accelerator520
      @Accelerator520 5 місяців тому

      @@crimumb4839what violent night

  • @Hvfjda
    @Hvfjda Рік тому +1

    Elite can u tell me what happened to ribs because in your polluted wasteland video it showed that you were playing with ribs so I’m assuming you are friends with her. What happened to ribs tho

    • @raquelgustilo2991
      @raquelgustilo2991 Рік тому

      Elite is Rib's Bf
      Ribs is a girl btw (theres s theory that they broke ul but theres no evidence to support it)

    • @thej8656
      @thej8656 Рік тому

      ⁠@@raquelgustilo2991 well this whole mental breakdown thing with ribs is probably why

  • @Epichousefart690
    @Epichousefart690 Рік тому +3

    Elite, please talk with ribs, maybe you can get her back, don't hide it, she needs help, she needs you

    • @Epichousefart690
      @Epichousefart690 Рік тому +1

      Or atleast talk abt it

    • @Epichousefart690
      @Epichousefart690 Рік тому +1

      If someone has the opportunity to reach to to ribs, its you, spread the message, get her back, you can do it, this is serious, you need to make her feel better or she'll do something BAD to herself, think at it as if you are saving a life, we all know she doesn't mean what she's saying

    • @Ivilce99
      @Ivilce99 Рік тому

      @@Epichousefart690 i cant take you seriously with that profile

    • @fairyskulls_
      @fairyskulls_ Рік тому

      @@Ivilce99 yeah…

    • @Epichousefart690
      @Epichousefart690 Рік тому

      @@Ivilce99 tbh, i agree

  • @Linkyboygamer
    @Linkyboygamer 11 місяців тому +2

    The pigeons will attack soon

  • @saudmubeenali9480
    @saudmubeenali9480 Рік тому +3

    8:36 monke sounds*

  • @Dr_Femur_SCP
    @Dr_Femur_SCP Рік тому +1

    Man turned into john when there were 4 abnormal bosses.

  • @DanialDEcool
    @DanialDEcool Рік тому +1

    7:17
    Wait it’s destroy the weak? I thought it was “go like the wind!” As in like shoot really fast and also “Destroy the Wig”.
    Edit : I forgot to say but also it has 2 lines and the second line is
    “Strength in Numbers!” And I really thought it was “strength in runners”

  • @ThatOneTechy
    @ThatOneTechy Рік тому +1

    I always used to think commander said "Destroy the Wind" Not "Destroy the Weak"

  • @ducky6686
    @ducky6686 Рік тому +2

    Good to see elite using and defending me and my army also me and my ducks were sub to you before 100k :D 2021
    👇 👇

    • @Felipefilip
      @Felipefilip Рік тому

      Subscribed when he had 40K subs and was doing tds in a nuthell videos

  • @balazspinter5780
    @balazspinter5780 Рік тому

    Hey Elite a long time ago you made a vid of a game called : toy defense well it has changed SO MUCH in one single update and i would like to see your reaction when you see what the game release did to thr alpha game!

  • @inkybear4727
    @inkybear4727 Рік тому +13

    aye your gf mad

  • @yeehawcowboi
    @yeehawcowboi 10 місяців тому +1

    that second to last sentence was personal 🗿🗿

  • @canalfamiliar302
    @canalfamiliar302 Рік тому +1

    I finally found someone else who uses soldier 😭🙏

  • @NabEdit
    @NabEdit Рік тому +7

    yo elite i want to ask what wrong with ribs why hes kinda being mean sorry if this bother you i just want to ask why

    • @tipco415
      @tipco415 Рік тому

      What do you mean?

    • @2309cora
      @2309cora Рік тому +1

      @@tipco415 ribs is going through depression right now. she's ranting in her community posts at her channel, RibsRoblox. she's kinda elite's girlfriend.

    • @saidoof9369
      @saidoof9369 8 місяців тому

      @@2309corareally?

  • @Pekkaking_
    @Pekkaking_ Рік тому +12

    This is what quality tds content looks like.

  • @Beibaryszhaparov
    @Beibaryszhaparov Рік тому +2

    4:34 Golden soldier: 🥺really?🥺

  • @YeeveeStuff
    @YeeveeStuff Рік тому +4

    I did the same thing but with scout instead of soldier before you. I also did it with the first ducky skins. I won both of the games one with some new and old, one with all old.

  • @KIKOFGPro123
    @KIKOFGPro123 Рік тому +1

    Hi Elite!

  • @GuelitoFetito
    @GuelitoFetito Рік тому

    hey elite do you know toy defense? so on may 26 it will receive a MASSIVE update and will be better than its before

  • @epicomedian
    @epicomedian Рік тому +2

    should of added an event where towers could *butter and throw bread* 😤

  • @nuggetgaming6651
    @nuggetgaming6651 Рік тому +1

    Uh hi elite can you check on you're friend ribs cause she's very deppresed so can you give her some advice for her please

  • @realdealty
    @realdealty Рік тому +1

    The tds developers must like ducks to add so many duck related things to the game

  • @floppagaming1497
    @floppagaming1497 Рік тому

    elite thank you i don t wanted to play tds bcs if i drop golden soldier im dead but i see that he is actually good
    thank you

  • @thej8656
    @thej8656 Рік тому +2

    How is ur relationship with ribs?

  • @cone_
    @cone_ Рік тому +2

    Sorry to be that guy but
    What happened to Ribs?

  • @lapoelepoepoele9256
    @lapoelepoepoele9256 Рік тому +2

    If elite is scared of tds enemies then i can't see him playing tower galactica

    • @amprelorrr
      @amprelorrr Рік тому

      He left his gf lol
      This is an fact that I got k

  • @Nightmare_leader
    @Nightmare_leader Рік тому

    My friends: elite is family friendly
    Me: are you sure about that👁👄👁

  • @jetbricks450
    @jetbricks450 Рік тому +1

    Alternate title: Elite losing his mind for 19 minutes and 45 seconds

  • @roseldadaclestapangan8272
    @roseldadaclestapangan8272 Рік тому

    Hey elite what do you recommend for me bc I'm playing tds
    Minigunner or duck crate? Elite pls say something

  • @hibemabygaming4316
    @hibemabygaming4316 Рік тому +1

    Elite casually having a mental breakdown

  • @Natedawgg2013
    @Natedawgg2013 Рік тому +1

    elite should do a child loadout (like all the toys or devices not like freezer and paintballer)

  • @scissor1603
    @scissor1603 Рік тому +1

    i beat this with duck skin only on fallen on the map called "spring fever" cuz the word spring, also instead of soldier and mortar, i use electro and engi

  • @AnotherEvilGuest55
    @AnotherEvilGuest55 Рік тому +2

    The devs wanted level for multiple assassinations with mysteries: infinite

  • @GiggerYT
    @GiggerYT Рік тому +1

    The game doesn’t want to see the power of the DUCKS.
    - said by elite

  • @angelomecca3469
    @angelomecca3469 Рік тому +2

    BRO GOOD VID PEOPLE HATE U FOR THE TRUTH U SAID ABOUT THE WINTER EVENT BEING A COPYCAT OF THE 2022 DUCK HUNT
    edit:wtf what do you guys even want shut the hell up why don't you mind your own business.This guy deserves more subs

    • @leafytable
      @leafytable Рік тому +1

      wtf

    • @Railgun-Tank
      @Railgun-Tank Рік тому +1

      Wdym

    • @ForestedKingdom
      @ForestedKingdom Рік тому

      That’s shit was like 5 months ago :skull:

    • @Benscollection9139
      @Benscollection9139 Рік тому

      💀

    • @gamerits
      @gamerits Рік тому

      to be honest, he brought ip about no animations in inventory when devs said the reason in progress feed. and im pretty sure he brought up pw2 and bl2 for being fallen reskins, despite originals always were fallen (badlands could have been normal and molten, but whos playing on badlands molten or normal)

  • @TheOneSpeedrunner
    @TheOneSpeedrunner Рік тому

    I just know this vids gonna be FIRE!

  • @Sup3rss
    @Sup3rss Рік тому +1

    The legend has came back

    • @luckyblacksk5057
      @luckyblacksk5057 Рік тому +1

      Its been 6 days since the last video

    • @ClarkMM517
      @ClarkMM517 Рік тому +1

      Ikr?? Or it’s either he just stopped watching elite and came back..,

    • @buggiebug56
      @buggiebug56 Рік тому +2

      bro istg elite could upload tomorrow and someone will say “the legend has returned”

    • @Sup3rss
      @Sup3rss Рік тому

      It's because it feels like he doesn't post in so long

    • @Sup3rss
      @Sup3rss Рік тому

      He isn't like other UA-camrs that post every day

  • @bobloxers9810
    @bobloxers9810 Рік тому +4

    70k for the whole crate is insane. Btw this is saying you did nothing last Duck event.

    • @noutronnr
      @noutronnr Рік тому +1

      I only had like 6 skins before and bought all for 56k coins cuz I have no life

    • @ChronixSynthsphere
      @ChronixSynthsphere Рік тому

      60k

    • @noutronnr
      @noutronnr Рік тому

      @@ChronixSynthsphere I had 66.6k left for reasons

  • @mobil_neptune
    @mobil_neptune Рік тому +2

    8:33 "Hello? Hello? Hello? Hello? Uuahhhghahghahuhu"

  • @Hfuer
    @Hfuer Рік тому +1

    alternative tittle: me going through 7 emotions with the ducky update

  • @jeffrivas1307
    @jeffrivas1307 Рік тому +1

    What he hears: STRENGTH IN NUMBERS what I hear: STRIP THEM LUBBERS

  • @sadiaamjad3410
    @sadiaamjad3410 9 місяців тому

    Random person: golden soldier is the worst gold skin. Flight detection: how about no

  • @milostudios12
    @milostudios12 Рік тому

    2:23
    "I didn't really think about this, but it suits the new.. huh??"

  • @dg.zs19
    @dg.zs19 Рік тому

    1 question. How do u get solo on the survival section and how do u get such small shop and inventory so it doesn't take up the whole screen?

    • @bigpigofficial
      @bigpigofficial Рік тому

      Need to go in a vip server for the solo thing and for ur second question u prob just have to adjust some settings

    • @dg.zs19
      @dg.zs19 Рік тому

      @@bigpigofficial ty

  • @Wxzavyer
    @Wxzavyer Рік тому +7

    Just to let you know you can disable commander tips in the settings menu

  • @CooISkeleton96
    @CooISkeleton96 Рік тому

    Alternate title: elite going insane for 19 minutes and 15 seconds with *D U C K*

  • @Penumbra279
    @Penumbra279 Рік тому +1

    Wow I wish I was in a game with my favourite tds yt

  • @Yuary
    @Yuary Рік тому +1

    8:30 Hello elite 👋

  • @dracri
    @dracri Рік тому

    Honestly I actually feel your pain and scary moments lol

  • @aidanstuart9843
    @aidanstuart9843 Рік тому

    8:12 the same thing happened to me and I got 6 normal bosses and it was so many that at first I thought I had 5 then I was like wait a minute I have 6!

  • @ChocolateMilkshakeMM2
    @ChocolateMilkshakeMM2 Рік тому +1

    The fact he only used ducky shoulders until wave 20

  • @The_Maine_Coon_101
    @The_Maine_Coon_101 Рік тому +1

    Remember Ribs ):

  • @CyberwareYT
    @CyberwareYT Рік тому

    How did you get solo in survival mode? I play on a ipad and I only see Duo, Trio, and Quad. Theres no solo at the bottom or top

    • @tozaih
      @tozaih Рік тому

      You need a private server for the solo option

  • @Kristal_sovalye
    @Kristal_sovalye Рік тому +1

    ngl he is slowly turning into john

  • @amia_muchan
    @amia_muchan Рік тому +1

    I use to have all those skins, but now it's not rare now, still I saved my money

  • @metal_pipe9764
    @metal_pipe9764 Рік тому +1

    I was saving up for a golden crate, but when I saw ducky skin crate I immediately knew I should spend all my money on it

  • @watcherdigest
    @watcherdigest Рік тому +1

    18:47 to 18:51 sounds like he was actually crying 😂

  • @ex0spher_e
    @ex0spher_e Рік тому +4

    Go help ribs

  • @Seek-et3ws
    @Seek-et3ws Рік тому

    Hey élite what is the more rare Bunny mini or twitter mini?

  • @KoryTheWildCard
    @KoryTheWildCard Рік тому

    Yk its gona be a good day when Elite releases a vid

  • @IbrahimMughal-zn3pt
    @IbrahimMughal-zn3pt Рік тому

    Imagine golden accelarator and golden engineer 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

  • @boiled_potato6359
    @boiled_potato6359 8 місяців тому

    You should do mortar and support only in harbour molten

  • @BESo_-q-q
    @BESo_-q-q Рік тому +1

    Eliet did u saw what mr duck wrote 😂 about u lol

  • @Treeexie
    @Treeexie Рік тому +1

    No tds meme animations?

  • @ramzymilano4237
    @ramzymilano4237 Рік тому +1

    Hey uhh elite did u know ribs?

  • @cookiejoutal123
    @cookiejoutal123 Рік тому

    elite ur saying golden soldier is op but is golden scout good cuz idk i have been trying to solo fallen i am using farm accel dj warden and g scout

    • @cookiejoutal123
      @cookiejoutal123 Рік тому

      after watching the video ok gold scout is good

    • @ZIMOU2014
      @ZIMOU2014 Рік тому

      I almost was able to get to wave 40 on fallen using minigunners with no gold perk commanders crook bosses and farms I think that loadout should be able to solo fallen

    • @cookiejoutal123
      @cookiejoutal123 Рік тому

      @@ZIMOU2014 i dont think so

  • @hydrus2835
    @hydrus2835 Рік тому

    damn, im glad i finally saw elite again, im from the "nutshell" times.

  • @ARYANMATION
    @ARYANMATION Рік тому

    Alternate title:Elite becoming insane just because roblox game and some ducks
    Alternate title 2:TDS enemy trying to assassinate Elite

  • @a_real_idiot98
    @a_real_idiot98 Рік тому

    8:29 bro really became phone guy from fnaf 💀

  • @zoltikz
    @zoltikz Рік тому

    I used to think that commander said "ITS FOR THE WIN" instead of "DESTROY THE WEAK"

  • @shutyourassup
    @shutyourassup Рік тому +1

    I will drive toyota because it is safer, it goes 220 kmph and the brakeway won't be so long and Ferrari with 340 kiss wall and you go flying. And if you crash the Ferrari it cost a lot, if you crash toyota is will cost WAY WAY cheaper

  • @user-i30js81dh8k
    @user-i30js81dh8k Рік тому +1

    quack, am I right?

  • @Tinpot_Guy
    @Tinpot_Guy Рік тому

    did elite actualy farm for something he could have bought without the group bonus?