And it is smailar to the others will treat you the way you treated them. So remember treat other people kindly, otherwise others will not treat you kindly.
I have two locomotive facts extra: the first one is for the DR 18 201. The train was initially built because the DR wanted to export coaches wich were approved for 160 kp/h (100 mp/h) but had no locomotive wich could reach such speeds. My second extra fact: The DRG 05 001/002 where exactly the same, although 05 002 reached the record speed it was scrapped along with 05 003 in 1960. 05 001 came to the Verkehrsmuseum (national transportation museum) in Nuremberg in 1963. Also a little side note on 05 003: this locomotive was turned and had the firebox facing forward. Because of that 05 003 was fueled by coal dust (oil wasn’t available) but this kind of firing didn’t work out because the dust wich needed a long pipe to be delivered to the firebox clogged the pipe up. Later it was turned so that the firebox was now facing backwards and its streamlined paneling was removed in the process
@@Leatherface123. yes but it was unofficial since the drivers didn’t want to lose their job by saying they got the locomotive way higher then the permitted track speed. And it wasn’t an official attempt unlike the Mallard
Liked the video. Just a quick note that Flying Scotsman was an A1 when it touched 100mph. At the time it had a boiler which was rated at only 180psi. It was one of the last A1s to be rebuilt into an A3 (220psi boilers) in about 1947/48. Papyrus was an A3 as built but it reached 108mph pulling a passenger train and not freight. None of our freights would have got near that speed!!! The German one at number 2 did 124.5mph and it was hauling passenger stock. There is an arguement that it might have gone faster and yet it was hauling less than Mallard at the time of the record and on the flat. They also suffered inside bearing trouble if not serviced correctly. So really the top spot is open to question and arguement. As is the age old arguement of Duchess and A4s.....
I always thought the German streamliner did its record on the flats with MORE than what Mallard was pulling, and that that’s why the argument existed that the German engine was probably faster than the Mallard (which did its record going downhill).
@@eriknewland3686 no, it was less. There wasn't much between it. I have several books knocking around the house with the weights in them. I did like the design of the streamlining. Similar approach to how the LMS approached it. As I mentioned before they suffered centre bearing failures and can assume it was similar reasons to the A classes until slight alterations were made to improve matters.
I’ve always enjoyed learning about anything with wheels. Thanks for for doing the research and taking the time to bring your findings to all. God bless you and take care. 🙏🏼🚂
Apparently 100mph wasn't uncommon for big steam. In the early 1900's there was a huge fire in downtown Knoxville, TN. A call was made for all available firefighting equipment, and one such unit came from Chattanooga, TN. It consisted only of an engine, tender, and flatcars hauling pumpers. My friend told me the newpapers at the time said the train made record time, and was traveling 100mph when it came through Bearden into west Knoxville.
@@OscarOsVideos One of the biggest problems of them traveling fast is that of reversing direction of things such as pistons. All those mechanical items are heavy, and making them go fast is hard on equipment, especially when it changes direction (repeatedly). It is the same problem an automobile engine has, quickly reversing the direction of rods and pistons. It isn't easy. One thing all the big, fast locomotives had in common was large drive wheels. That helped in the department of reversing direction but it wasn't everything.
Congratulations on your efforts in this film. So great to see a young person fired up about Steam locos. My grand kids don't get it and just stare into a phone. Very proud of you. Have you got a copy of Ian Allen's, ABC of Southern Locomotives, the original Train Spotters Guide with all the numbers to cross off? They can be found on the net. Also, highly recommended is Vol.1, "The Science of Railways" 1903 by Marshall M. Kirkman. Also, hope you have a Lionel train set... a wonderful hands on approach, involving both electric and mechanical matters. Looking forward to more of your swell work.
Thank you so much for showing us all the great steam engines that went over one hundred miles an hour. Shame they all are not around today for us to see and enjoy. Nicely done too. VF
For such a small channel, with very different videos then this, it was VERY well put together, the facts are accurate, the music fits, and the voice isn't annoying or over the top. 10/10 train video, good work.
Very many thanks for that. Such a shame that most of these fine locomotives were scrapped. Thanks, also, for the pleasant background music; it was a nice change from the usual racket we hear on documentaries. As you probably know, 18 201 was not an original build. Rather it was a conversion of the DRG's 1939-built Henschel-Wegmann BR61 002, a tank loco used to haul high-speed express trains between Dresden and Berlin, covering the 109 miles in 102 minutes.
While Mallard holds the official record without question, there were probably several others that could have taken the record if not for the obsession with the appearance of safety in the USA. There are numerous tales of Milwaukee Road F7 Baltics hitting 130 MPH, and the documented speeds certainly make this believable. N&W Class J 610 hit 110 MPH hauling a 1050 ton train ! The Santa Fe 2900s hit triple digit speeds repeatedly pulling huge loads across the flatlands. The NYC Niagara's produced over 6000 horsepower and hit triple digit speeds frequently in service. I can only wish the USA had the same attitude as the Brits do about speed. Then maybe when the 2900 restoration is complete we might see some real numbers.
I was at the National Railway museum in York last week, and got to see Mallard and other preserved locomotives. A fantastic place to visit and in keeping with other U.K. museums it is free entry. They do ask for a voluntary donation towards the upkeep of the museum.
on the run where Mallard hit 126 mph she also burnt out the centre piston in the process This may have limited the run. I believe the German air smoothed locos had the potential of 130 plus mph
Mallard was only four months old at the time. They ensured they had a loco new enough to not be worn, but used enough to have been run in. On Mallard's run, there were engineering works on the line which Nigel Gresley wasn't informed about prior to the run. Gresley said he was sure Mallard could have easily reached 130mph if it wasn't for this. Lets not forget the locos centre piston, as stated above, and the fact she was hauling approximately 250 - 260 tons at the time which is more than the German loco to had previously owned the record. (I know too much about the railways in Britain, but little outside of Britain other than everywhere else has really ugly trains)
@@DomWhibley Greasley himself attempted to break the record with Bittern whilst towing another locomotive. He reached 112mph before the others in the cab stopped him. Bittern is still running. How many others of this ficticious list are still running?
you forgot one of the LMS Princess Corination class reaching 114 mph, before going 50 mph through a very busy 20 mph station zone. And IT Stopped in that zone. Safely. Comes from a person who loves the Flying Scotsman and Mallard.
German 05 was as fast as mallard on a level track and still had reserves, but couldn't go faster because the track didn't stay straight. The speed also was no problem, no bearing problems like the Mallard had.
@@98LuckyLuk the German 05s did suffer centre bearing failures. You've both not studied why Mallard suffered the centre bearing issue have you? And back in service they could run 100mph plus with no issues
Michelle Roberts Yes it blew out the third cyclinder during the record run I do believe that there were German locos that could have bettered this figure
Mallard had to start slow because of rail work at Grantham. She was doing only 17mph here, she should have been doing 70mph. The record attempt was done on a Sunday and was kept secret, hence the rail maintenance crews were working on the line and weren't aware that the section would be used. Because of this she came upon the Essendine bend after Stoke Bank and had to slow. Even so she was doing 100mph+ around this bend, the speed limit was 90mph. Because of this she broke the middle big end and was in danger of breaking the draw bar. She hit 126mph at Stoke Bank, the highest point in the run. Prior to that she'd been climbing and AVERAGED 120mph for five miles during this climb. (Check the record yourself in National Rail Museum in York). Greasley wanted to do the run again but WWII intervened. Greasley insisted that given a straight track the A4s could hit 130mph+.
In June 29th 1937 a pacific of the London Midland Scottish Railway No 6220 Coronation achieved 114 MPH and set the world record before Mallard topped it. Interestingly, the Mallard run was booked as a test run for a Westinghouse brake, which was just a cover-up for a well planned attempt at the speed record. For this attempt, Sir Nigel Gresley, the locos designer asked the running department for a suitable driver and was told that they would get him the best on the chosen route. Gresley replied, I don't want the best, I want the most fearless. Sadly, although the attempt was successful, it proved too much for Mallard, as the inside cylinder (A4s had 3 cylinders) main crank big end bearing overheated and failed. Also of interest, after the run driver Joe Duddington said that he thought Mallard was easily capable of 130 MPH and this might have been achieved had he had to slow down for the junction at Essendine and for a section that had a speed restriction of 15 MPH. Sir Nigel Gresley planned to have another attempt at 130 MPH in 1935, but sadly war broke out and put a stop to it..
Really liked this, thank you !!! I worked for C&O Railroad ( part of CSX )from 1978 to 1980. I worked at a Coal Loading Facility in Newport News Virginia as a Millwright or a Outside Machinist. Every so often I got to do work ( mostly sanders and brakes ) at what we called the junction where a Locomotive would come in after hauling a load from Richmond Va. where we would turn them around to head back to Richmond and then up to West Virginia to load up on coal. We worked outside from -2 degrees to 110 degrees Fahrenheit. The job paid well but was a very dangerous job as we always worked around moving equipment. I was injured by 300 pounds of steel that hit me in the knees. I was forever damaged goods and was let go as I could not do the work anymore. It was hard work but fun , I thought. Again thank you for the video !!!
Edward Murray sadly they also missed Princess Coronation class 6220 Coronation which went 114mph pulling the Coranation Scot, making Gresley wanna beat the LMS. Bit of trivia here mallards record run was only meant to be a brake test, then Gresley decided to go for the British speed record only to find later they’d beaten the world record.
I think that you will find that it was Gresley's intention to go for the speed record and that the brake test was just a cover for it. Mallard was selected because it had done 5000 miles since it's last shopping, so was nicely run in, and driver Duddington was a known speed freak. As far as Scotsman's claim for 100mph goes I think that is slightly dubious. Firstly it was in it's as built condition with 180lb boiler and short travel valves and secondly the trace on the recording paper shows a jolt up to 100mph instead of a curve. I will let you make your own minds up.
Tim Spiers I also forgot to add the mallard was one that was fitted with a double as well as being run in. There is a video about it somewhere on UA-cam. I recommend it great watch.
Great video, really enjoyed this. You also did a good job on counting down all the important facts and leaving out controversal opinions. Just a little nitpick I found at 3:52 : 18 201 wasn't built in the early 1970s, it was built from 1960 - 1961 mostly out of 61 002, the locomotive of the "Henschel-Wegmann-Zug" and also some parts from engines of the class 41 and 44. Otherwise than that, great work. ;-)
I was about to write the same, thank you :D The famous Henschel-Wegman was introduced in 1936 as a twice daily service between Berlin Anhalter Bahnhof and Dresden Central Station. With travel time of 1 hour and 40 minutes, this service marks till today the fastest connection between Berlin and Dresden. Not even ICE trains are faster, nearly 85 years after introduction of the service.
Honorable Mention : The LNER Peppercorn Class A1 60168 "Tornado" During a test run, this train reached a mind blowing 100 MPH. It is still running today on special occasions.
Great video, really enjoyed it. An extra steamer you could include on your next video, would be the J-3 Hudson locomotive used by New York Central on it's 20th Century Ltd, they reputedly clocked 123 mph
A retired NC&StLRy engineer who in the 1960s would sit near 4-8-4 J-3 #576 (on display in Centennial Park, Nashville, Tennessee, USA until 2019) told me that he regularly drove J-3s at 110 mph on the Bruceton-Memphis line (abandoned). 70” drivers. He said that the ”Js” rode like Pullman cars: floated along. Other locos rode so roughly at speed that your shoes were hardly touching the deck.
110 actually, and don't forget the Hudson run. Run where a Hudson ran a calculated 142MPH between points. It's never been proven completely. And the British won't accept the record. So
Yup and it’s just an incredible looking machine too. I was able to chase it through my local scenic backroads when she did a run out of Culpeper after the 611s restoration. So odd to have THAT out running the old tracks where you live!
The pictures of the Mallard never do it justice. It's something you stand next too and feel as well as see. The wheels got cast in one piece and standing next to them is incredible. I was born in York and used to eat my sandwiches while looking at the train during my lunch time. As a small boy I remember seeing it. I was 8 years old when I saw the Mallard steam under the bridge as a kid in York. Sometimes pictures are just not good enough and memories are better. Go to York and see something that has real prescience. Beautiful
Thank you for posting this video, If you make further railway videos, please omit the music and if possible show the locomotives moving - there was nothing so impressive to a young boy than to stand on the platform as the boat train express thundered through the station, physically making the concrete platform move.
PRR T1 ran over 140 mph between St Louis and Terre Haute Indiana regularly.....no mention due to the fact that the PRR speed limit for that line was much less, liability is why it was kept quiet
@@mitchellmilitello don't forget the American Locomotive cooperation FEF-3 northern a union pacific northern hit 128 while crossing Nebraska which tops the 126 listed by you for the mallard
All these wonderful steam locomotives wound up being scrapped because their railroad lines were going bankrupt, and the corporation was doing everything they could, to help the company survive. Few did, no matter what they tried. No company wants to go bankrupt, but the U.S. gov't's move to revoke the U.S. mail contract, and the creation of the interstate highway system, essentially doomed many of the railroads. Dieselization did the rest.
No boring diesel and electric locos can beat the beautiful and elegant design of steams engines. The wheels, pistons, fiery smokes at nights, lengendry sound. I just wonder, why it should not be called 8th wonder.
Apparently, the brakes were applied too late at Crewe and the train went over crossovers far too fast. Luckily, the loco and train held onto the rails, but in the dining car, plates and crockery went flying and smashed to pieces.
XtremeXpress What about Norfolk & Western 611? It's my favorite locomotive, it's streamlined, and has gone to triple digit speeds in the past. And as a matter of fact, it was restored in 2015 & has been in operation since then. Would you have at least put N&W 611 in as an honorable mention, along with some other streamlined american steamers?
The Pennsylvania Railroads S1 locomotive, " The Big Engine", reached 133 MPH during testing, and there are reports of the PRR recieving a fine for the S1 running at 156 MPH. This was documented in a Popular Mechanics Magazine article, " Riding the Gargantua".
When Coronation hit 114mph it was still accelerating when they literally had to slam on the brakes. Being considerably more powerful than Mallard many reckon it could have easily passed that locos' 126.
Wow you skipped over an obvious one. Norfolk and western class J. they ran between 90 and 100mph daily. While on loan one pulled a 950ton train at more than 110 mph. Some engineers reported speeds between 115 and 120mph. The engine was designed for 140mph but no one has been brave enough to try those speeds.
The NW J class still runs today it's sole survivor 611 can be found on display in Roanoke VA. It's on hold for excursion service due to Am Track playing politics. The east end shops in Roanoke rated the locomotive to 142 mph but it never got there she ran up to speeds of 110 mph. Another US currently operational 4-8-4. Is UP 844 built by Alco in 1944 that engine reached speeds of in excess of 120 mph. The main reason why speed records were not kept by US railroads is because they ran tight schedules and each railroad was competing for passenger service. Locomotive speeds were a guarded secret. People like to compare British and American steam locomotives. They were designed for different purposes in regards to passenger service. US locomotives pulled long and heavy contential service. While their British and European counterparts pulled commuter and short distance passenger work. You are comparing concord to Air Force One.
Unfortunately for the City of Truro the is no verifiable evidence of its achievement. Some commentators don't believe that it every did the ton. Without the evidence, like there is for The Fling Scotsman, it's open to debate whether or not City of Truro got there first.
I don't think there's any doubt City of Truro did 100 mph but not the 102.3 sometimes quoted. I have seen the stopwatch timings and plotted them on a graph. The last one looks a bit low but by drawing a best-fit line through the points you can certainly claim 100 mph.
Rosie6857 there are some that claim that Rouse Martin made errors in counting the mile posts and along with his watch only recording to 0.2 second that the recording of City of Truro's efforts were in accurate. This has been covered in great detail in Railway Magazine in the UK. The main issue is that there was only one timing taken and no one independently verified it, making it harder to accept as genuine.
I don't think you're right in saying that Rous-Marten took only one reading. As far as I am aware he took quite a number and the lowest was 8.8 sec for a quarter-mile which equates to 102.3 mph, a figure that on its own cannot be taken seriously. But the other readings point to a maximum of about 100 mph, which, after all, is not implausible though it needs a lot of steam.
Rosie6857 never said he only tookone reading, I said his watch was limited to readings of 0.2 of a second. As he was the only person making the recording (the timing) an errors in the recording will not be highlighted which makes his claims, less reliable then those made about The Flying Scotsman which was made using a calibrated dynamometer car.
Actually, the A3s production period is a bit weird. It began with 52 Gresely A1s in the early 20s, the first 12 of which were numbered 1470-1482, a little later 4470-4482. The first one, 4470 Great Northern was turned into a one-of-a-kind A1/1 by Edward Thompson (Gresley's not so liked successor), while the other 51 A1s remained A1s until 1946, when they were rebuilt as A3s. And that was after 27 new-built A3s began appearing in the late 20s. Feel free to go crosseyed. Also, although 2509 Silver Link bit the dust, survivng A4 locomotive 4464 Bittern has been masquerading as Silver Link for a while in perservation.
Thompson was umm to say the least controversial with his P2 rebuild to A2/2 and his A1 rebuild but he made masterpieces like the B1 and K1 (although peppercorn finished his job)
Its odd that Bittern was preserved and often posed as Silver Link. On a school trip to London as a very young lad , Silver Link had just pulled into Kings Cross . That was it i was hooked . So my first entry into my newly aquired Ian Allan book was 60014 .
Very cool, you have talent and knowledge. Keep on making more videos about trains! Make a video about how steam locomotive works. Thanks and have a great day.
The DRG 05 is an impressive locomotive that got very close to Mallard's record, but it should be noted that when it was setting its record it was hauling 197 tonnes whilst Mallard was hauling over 200 tonnes. Ultimately the A4s have shown themselves to have greater longevity, with 2 currently operational and still able to reach 90mph.
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“Sans, I appear to be a locomotive now and I have got to say, I very much enjoy my paint job.”.
uh, paps?
Haa I get it papyrus.
Great job kid, nice music choice. Love to hear young people enthused about steam.
Nah Sadley I used to love fast old trains and old trains now I bow down to Putin and being a initial d fanboy
It would have been nice if the music volume didn't go up every time the speaker paused, though.
yes
I do this as well btw
I know I'm only 10 at the time of me typing this and my favourite steam train is lms patriot class
1:06 Gordon: Never trust domeless engines. They aren’t respectable.
Gordon says that in the "Thomas And Friends" story, "Gordon And The Famous Visitor".
That story teaches us if you don't respect others, then other will treat you with no respect in return.
And it is smailar to the others will treat you the way you treated them. So remember treat other people kindly, otherwise others will not treat you kindly.
I love the show can recognize the engines that are in the show
Like spencer or mallard or the flying Scotsman
Awesome video - thanks for making it! So nice to see such a variety of locos too - they're an amazing bunch!
All the best,
Sam :)
Sam'sTrains I agree with you
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Sam'sTrains nice comment
I agree with samstrains
Great video and highly informative. It really pisses me off how a lot of these works of art we're destroyed just for some scrap metal. What a shame.
I have two locomotive facts extra: the first one is for the DR 18 201. The train was initially built because the DR wanted to export coaches wich were approved for 160 kp/h (100 mp/h) but had no locomotive wich could reach such speeds.
My second extra fact: The DRG 05 001/002 where exactly the same, although 05 002 reached the record speed it was scrapped along with 05 003 in 1960. 05 001 came to the Verkehrsmuseum (national transportation museum) in Nuremberg in 1963. Also a little side note on 05 003: this locomotive was turned and had the firebox facing forward. Because of that 05 003 was fueled by coal dust (oil wasn’t available) but this kind of firing didn’t work out because the dust wich needed a long pipe to be delivered to the firebox clogged the pipe up. Later it was turned so that the firebox was now facing backwards and its streamlined paneling was removed in the process
I love The Flying Scotsman
Same. It’s I brilliant locomotive.
@Xplorifa Playz yup
@TTTE Kiddo 4472? Nah that would be 60103 instead
Who doesn’t
Papyrus is the second A3 to reach 108 miles per hour
"Papyrus was able to hit 105 MPH"
Sans: bro the entire underground is on fire!
Papyrus: I am speed
T1 Trust: *finishes building the PRR T1 locomotive*
Mallard’s Record: Why do I hear boss music?
It’s not boss music because it already bet the record in the 1940s/1950s
@@Leatherface123. yes but it was unofficial since the drivers didn’t want to lose their job by saying they got the locomotive way higher then the permitted track speed. And it wasn’t an official attempt unlike the Mallard
@@noisehead701 timetables between Crestline, Ohio and Fort Wayne, Indiana show the T1s topping 140 at times.
@@threehead99 it’s a fabrication
And also it wasent recorded
Great video! Thank you so much!
Liked the video. Just a quick note that Flying Scotsman was an A1 when it touched 100mph. At the time it had a boiler which was rated at only 180psi. It was one of the last A1s to be rebuilt into an A3 (220psi boilers) in about 1947/48.
Papyrus was an A3 as built but it reached 108mph pulling a passenger train and not freight. None of our freights would have got near that speed!!!
The German one at number 2 did 124.5mph and it was hauling passenger stock. There is an arguement that it might have gone faster and yet it was hauling less than Mallard at the time of the record and on the flat. They also suffered inside bearing trouble if not serviced correctly. So really the top spot is open to question and arguement. As is the age old arguement of Duchess and A4s.....
Flying Scotsman is A3 pacific not A1
@@saiprakashn1414 well it was back then stupid
I always thought the German streamliner did its record on the flats with MORE than what Mallard was pulling, and that that’s why the argument existed that the German engine was probably faster than the Mallard (which did its record going downhill).
@@saiprakashn1414 read a book. It is an A3 now but was NEVER built as an A3.
@@eriknewland3686 no, it was less. There wasn't much between it. I have several books knocking around the house with the weights in them.
I did like the design of the streamlining. Similar approach to how the LMS approached it. As I mentioned before they suffered centre bearing failures and can assume it was similar reasons to the A classes until slight alterations were made to improve matters.
Mallard will as we know always be held at the National Railway Museum in apart from when it turns 100 it will visit Locomotion in Shildon
I’ve always enjoyed learning about anything with wheels. Thanks for for doing the research and taking the time to bring your findings to all. God bless you and take care. 🙏🏼🚂
Gotta say this kid actually is pretty good at what he does , he's got some potential
Brilliant, saw Silver Link & other A4 Pacifics in service as a child.
Wow really you have seen them in the 1930s?
Apparently 100mph wasn't uncommon for big steam. In the early 1900's there was a huge fire in downtown Knoxville, TN. A call was made for all available firefighting equipment, and one such unit came from Chattanooga, TN. It consisted only of an engine, tender, and flatcars hauling pumpers. My friend told me the newpapers at the time said the train made record time, and was traveling 100mph when it came through Bearden into west Knoxville.
100mph is really fast
@@OscarOsVideos One of the biggest problems of them traveling fast is that of reversing direction of things such as pistons. All those mechanical items are heavy, and making them go fast is hard on equipment, especially when it changes direction (repeatedly).
It is the same problem an automobile engine has, quickly reversing the direction of rods and pistons. It isn't easy.
One thing all the big, fast locomotives had in common was large drive wheels. That helped in the department of reversing direction but it wasn't everything.
I really thought the Duchess of Hamilton would be on this list since it came very close to Mallard’s record
It actually beat it but it wasn't recorded officially
yeah it clocked 114mph offically it could have gone faster but crewe was ahead
@@johnperic6860 just the same as todays cars... how could anyone know the true speeds! My car reads 70mph when the sat nav tells me it is actually 65!
@@johnperic6860 it kinda deserves to be the fastest, oh well.
It’s technically here but not in the list. It’s one of the images in the beginning.
Congratulations on your efforts in this film. So great to see a young person fired up about Steam locos. My grand kids don't get it and just stare into a phone. Very proud of you. Have you got a copy of Ian Allen's, ABC of Southern Locomotives, the original Train Spotters Guide with all the numbers to cross off? They can be found on the net. Also, highly recommended is Vol.1, "The Science of Railways" 1903 by Marshall M. Kirkman. Also, hope you have a Lionel train set... a wonderful hands on approach, involving both electric and mechanical matters. Looking forward to more of your swell work.
Thank you so much for showing us all the great steam engines that went over one hundred miles an hour. Shame they all are not around today for us to see and enjoy. Nicely done too. VF
There are other steam engines that went faster than 100mph, they just didn't have the record for the fastest steam train at the time
@@davefrompa5334 Thanks for letting my know that simple fact Dave.
For such a small channel, with very different videos then this, it was VERY well put together, the facts are accurate, the music fits, and the voice isn't annoying or over the top. 10/10 train video, good work.
It's nothing but the truth, steam fan to steam fan. =]
The Green German Loco pulled up at the station adjacent to my Partners flat in Germany in 2017. It still runs doing Specials. Amazing looking machine.
Very many thanks for that. Such a shame that most of these fine locomotives were scrapped. Thanks, also, for the pleasant background music; it was a nice change from the usual racket we hear on documentaries.
As you probably know, 18 201 was not an original build. Rather it was a conversion of the DRG's 1939-built Henschel-Wegmann BR61 002, a tank loco used to haul high-speed express trains between Dresden and Berlin, covering the 109 miles in 102 minutes.
yo man i saw you on one of sams trains comments i think you deserve a shout out
R.I.P papyrus we salute you
I wish there where more of these A3’s those where great engines!
@Stephensons Rocket i know that your not the first to tell me that but i know tho if night hawk and paparyus where still around ill be happy
Gordon is actually based on papyrus
@@trainzloversstudios2508 I’m waiting for someone to say “hAhA uNdErTaLe” or something stupid like that
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While Mallard holds the official record without question, there were probably several others that could have taken the record if not for the obsession with the appearance of safety in the USA. There are numerous tales of Milwaukee Road F7 Baltics hitting 130 MPH, and the documented speeds certainly make this believable. N&W Class J 610 hit 110 MPH hauling a 1050 ton train ! The Santa Fe 2900s hit triple digit speeds repeatedly pulling huge loads across the flatlands. The NYC Niagara's produced over 6000 horsepower and hit triple digit speeds frequently in service. I can only wish the USA had the same attitude as the Brits do about speed. Then maybe when the 2900 restoration is complete we might see some real numbers.
I was at the National Railway museum in York last week, and got to see Mallard and other preserved locomotives. A fantastic place to visit and in keeping with other U.K. museums it is free entry. They do ask for a voluntary donation towards the upkeep of the museum.
on the run where Mallard hit 126 mph she also burnt out the centre piston in the process This may have limited the run. I believe the German air smoothed locos had the potential of 130 plus mph
Mallard was only four months old at the time. They ensured they had a loco new enough to not be worn, but used enough to have been run in. On Mallard's run, there were engineering works on the line which Nigel Gresley wasn't informed about prior to the run. Gresley said he was sure Mallard could have easily reached 130mph if it wasn't for this. Lets not forget the locos centre piston, as stated above, and the fact she was hauling approximately 250 - 260 tons at the time which is more than the German loco to had previously owned the record. (I know too much about the railways in Britain, but little outside of Britain other than everywhere else has really ugly trains)
@@DomWhibley Greasley himself attempted to break the record with Bittern whilst towing another locomotive. He reached 112mph before the others in the cab stopped him. Bittern is still running. How many others of this ficticious list are still running?
Well done wee man, good video
City of truro's record was never officially documented
Truro.
The same could be said for the New York Central’s Empire State Express #999.
Also it doesn’t look like a speed machine it looks like an average locomotive not built for that kind of speed.
I’m staying with Scotsman
Because it was years ago
And I highly doubt that a steam engine that is smaller than the flying Scotsman and was built 30 years before it could do 102 mph
Man I'm pumped that you put City Of Truro on this list and a place above Flying Scotsman 😁
you forgot one of the LMS Princess Corination class reaching 114 mph, before going 50 mph through a very busy 20 mph station zone. And IT Stopped in that zone. Safely. Comes from a person who loves the Flying Scotsman and Mallard.
Well done! Good clear speech and well editing. Thanks. 😊
Mallard ran at126mph down hill once then had to be stopped and shopped for repairs Niagara ran 100 plus every day 7days between inspections
German 05 was as fast as mallard on a level track and still had reserves, but couldn't go faster because the track didn't stay straight. The speed also was no problem, no bearing problems like the Mallard had.
@@98LuckyLuk the German 05s did suffer centre bearing failures. You've both not studied why Mallard suffered the centre bearing issue have you?
And back in service they could run 100mph plus with no issues
Michelle Roberts Yes it blew out the third cyclinder during the record run I do believe that there were German locos that could have bettered this figure
@@michaelnaisbitt1639 Oh dear. Got this wrong. Nothing wrong with the cylinder before, during or after the run
Mallard had to start slow because of rail work at Grantham. She was doing only 17mph here, she should have been doing 70mph. The record attempt was done on a Sunday and was kept secret, hence the rail maintenance crews were working on the line and weren't aware that the section would be used. Because of this she came upon the Essendine bend after Stoke Bank and had to slow. Even so she was doing 100mph+ around this bend, the speed limit was 90mph. Because of this she broke the middle big end and was in danger of breaking the draw bar. She hit 126mph at Stoke Bank, the highest point in the run. Prior to that she'd been climbing and AVERAGED 120mph for five miles during this climb. (Check the record yourself in National Rail Museum in York). Greasley wanted to do the run again but WWII intervened. Greasley insisted that given a straight track the A4s could hit 130mph+.
Thank you so much for making this wonderful video and commentary. Really ace. Classy too.
In June 29th 1937 a pacific of the London Midland Scottish Railway No 6220 Coronation achieved 114 MPH and set the world record before Mallard topped it.
Interestingly, the Mallard run was booked as a test run for a Westinghouse brake, which was just a cover-up for a well planned attempt at the speed record.
For this attempt, Sir Nigel Gresley, the locos designer asked the running department for a suitable driver and was told that they would get him the best on the chosen route.
Gresley replied, I don't want the best, I want the most fearless.
Sadly, although the attempt was successful, it proved too much for Mallard, as the inside cylinder (A4s had 3 cylinders) main crank big end bearing overheated and failed.
Also of interest, after the run driver Joe Duddington said that he thought Mallard was easily capable of 130 MPH and this might have been achieved had he had to slow down for the junction at Essendine and for a section that had a speed restriction of 15 MPH.
Sir Nigel Gresley planned to have another attempt at 130 MPH in 1935, but sadly war broke out and put a stop to it..
Really liked this, thank you !!! I worked for C&O Railroad ( part of CSX )from 1978 to 1980. I worked at a Coal Loading Facility in Newport News Virginia as a Millwright or a Outside Machinist. Every so often I got to do work ( mostly sanders and brakes ) at what we called the junction where a Locomotive would come in after hauling a load from Richmond Va. where we would turn them around to head back to Richmond and then up to West Virginia to load up on coal. We worked outside from -2 degrees to 110 degrees Fahrenheit. The job paid well but was a very dangerous job as we always worked around moving equipment. I was injured by 300 pounds of steel that hit me in the knees. I was forever damaged goods and was let go as I could not do the work anymore. It was hard work but fun , I thought. Again thank you for the video !!!
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LMS 6220 Coronation broke 114mph before Mallard's record!
Omg you’re a legend I was wondering about this and without you I never would have known
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city of truro is currently at swindon on display alongside king george v
Great video! I love the American art deco styling
Great facts! I learned a lot!
You make awesome videos!
u missed out Sir Nigel Gresely that went 112mph
correct, uk post war steam speed record
And the Coronation class which went even faster.
Edward Murray sadly they also missed Princess Coronation class 6220 Coronation which went 114mph pulling the Coranation Scot, making Gresley wanna beat the LMS. Bit of trivia here mallards record run was only meant to be a brake test, then Gresley decided to go for the British speed record only to find later they’d beaten the world record.
I think that you will find that it was Gresley's intention to go for the speed record and that the brake test was just a cover for it. Mallard was selected because it had done 5000 miles since it's last shopping, so was nicely run in, and driver Duddington was a known speed freak.
As far as Scotsman's claim for 100mph goes I think that is slightly dubious. Firstly it was in it's as built condition with 180lb boiler and short travel valves and secondly the trace on the recording paper shows a jolt up to 100mph instead of a curve. I will let you make your own minds up.
Tim Spiers I also forgot to add the mallard was one that was fitted with a double as well as being run in. There is a video about it somewhere on UA-cam. I recommend it great watch.
Brilliant, well researched and a pleasure to watch with the music an added bonus. Keep up the good work.
Great video. Thanks for posting. :)
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XtremeXpress bro I remember that and snissors. But look at how old the comment is
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did you say Papyrus?
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*bonetrousle plays*
Ah, a person of culture I see
He turned himself into a train,
*Funniest sh*t I’ve ever seen*
Well done. This was informative and a good source of steam speed records that I wasn’t previously aware.
Mallard was travelling down a very slight incline - true! but hauling a much heavier train than the German engine at no. 2
Nice and great effort thank you from Egypt
WOW, +XtremeXpress, You Just Blew My Mind! Just Blew My Mind! And I Love Steam Locomotives So Much!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD
Enjoyed watching this, these machines in there day were the fastest machines on the planet.
Great video, really enjoyed this. You also did a good job on counting down all the important facts and leaving out controversal opinions.
Just a little nitpick I found at 3:52 : 18 201 wasn't built in the early 1970s, it was built from 1960 - 1961 mostly out of 61 002, the locomotive of the "Henschel-Wegmann-Zug" and also some parts from engines of the class 41 and 44.
Otherwise than that, great work. ;-)
I was about to write the same, thank you :D
The famous Henschel-Wegman was introduced in 1936 as a twice daily service between Berlin Anhalter Bahnhof and Dresden Central Station. With travel time of 1 hour and 40 minutes, this service marks till today the fastest connection between Berlin and Dresden. Not even ICE trains are faster, nearly 85 years after introduction of the service.
Great work! Thanks for the video.
Honorable Mention : The LNER Peppercorn Class A1 60168 "Tornado"
During a test run, this train reached a mind blowing 100 MPH. It is still running today on special occasions.
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3ntrpriz53: yes l watched the live video of it clocking 101.mph just a few yrs ago.
Great video, really enjoyed it. An extra steamer you could include on your next video, would be the J-3 Hudson locomotive used by New York Central on it's 20th Century Ltd, they reputedly clocked 123 mph
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A retired NC&StLRy engineer who in the 1960s would sit near 4-8-4 J-3 #576 (on display in Centennial Park, Nashville, Tennessee, USA until 2019) told me that he regularly drove J-3s at 110 mph on the Bruceton-Memphis line (abandoned). 70” drivers. He said that the ”Js” rode like Pullman cars: floated along. Other locos rode so roughly at speed that your shoes were hardly touching the deck.
There are reports that the PRR T1 went over 140mph at times. It was the Mac Daddie of the steam era.
They are also reports of the PRRs " Big Engine" the S1, high balling at 156 MPH, and netting the PRR a fine........
That’s a fabrication
@@E-man5375 Your mom's a fabrication.
splendid collection, excellent. thanks.
No mention of N&W's class J? 109 mph pulling 1050 tons on 70" drivers. CP's Jubilee 4-4-4? 112.5 mph.
UP 844? Nearly almost at 100 MPH transporting 1.000 tons!
SP 4449 daylight can go over 100 where is it at
110 actually, and don't forget the Hudson run. Run where a Hudson ran a calculated 142MPH between points. It's never been proven completely. And the British won't accept the record. So
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Yup and it’s just an incredible looking machine too. I was able to chase it through my local scenic backroads when she did a run out of Culpeper after the 611s restoration. So odd to have THAT out running the old tracks where you live!
On one of Mallard's last trips from King's Cross , my dad with a bribe of ciggies had me aged 9 or 10 on the foot & I was allowed a whistle toot .
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The pictures of the Mallard never do it justice. It's something you stand next too and feel as well as see. The wheels got cast in one piece and standing next to them is incredible. I was born in York and used to eat my sandwiches while looking at the train during my lunch time. As a small boy I remember seeing it. I was 8 years old when I saw the Mallard steam under the bridge as a kid in York.
Sometimes pictures are just not good enough and memories are better.
Go to York and see something that has real prescience. Beautiful
Thank you for posting this video, If you make further railway videos, please omit the music and if possible show the locomotives moving - there was nothing so impressive to a young boy than to stand on the platform as the boat train express thundered through the station, physically making the concrete platform move.
There are no videos for most of these engines, as they ran well before video was available.
Awesome Program Thank you
Nice vid, but the PRR S2 belongs in there. It hauled about a thousand tons over 48 km at an average speed of 110 mph.
It would still be the fastest even if it wasn't going down hill
Where is the official record? American seems to be full of unsubstantiated claims for steam speeds.
Great presentation on the video. Love it when I hear about people enthused about steam locomotives.
What about the lms, Southern, gwr all had locomotives that topped 100 daily
Well done! Honestly learned a lot more than I thought I would
Thanks for the "Turkish Rondo."
I really enjoyed your video. Thanks for the effort you put in.
PRR T1 ran over 140 mph between St Louis and Terre Haute Indiana regularly.....no mention due to the fact that the PRR speed limit for that line was much less, liability is why it was kept quiet
DUDE?!?! The T1 trust is trying to do that to break the steam record
@@1truth39 I say let's do it!!! Give the PRR is due!
@A4 steam enthusiast did you grow up in Indiana and illinois back then?
How do you know this?
I agree with number 2 great video by the way
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@@mitchellmilitello don't forget the American Locomotive cooperation FEF-3 northern a union pacific northern hit 128 while crossing Nebraska which tops the 126 listed by you for the mallard
Good research and good editing my guy
I hate when i ear some beautifull locomotives where scrapped. Like the Silver Link
All these wonderful steam locomotives wound up being scrapped because their railroad lines were going bankrupt, and the corporation was doing everything they could, to help the company survive. Few did, no matter what they tried. No company wants to go bankrupt, but the U.S. gov't's move to revoke the U.S. mail contract, and the creation of the interstate highway system, essentially doomed many of the railroads. Dieselization did the rest.
No boring diesel and electric locos can beat the beautiful and elegant design of steams engines. The wheels, pistons, fiery smokes at nights, lengendry sound. I just wonder, why it should not be called 8th wonder.
You crucially missed out LMS Pacific #6220 which hit 114 mph on its inaugural run in 1937
Apparently, the brakes were applied too late at Crewe and the train went over crossovers far too fast.
Luckily, the loco and train held onto the rails, but in the dining car, plates and crockery went flying and smashed to pieces.
I thought that was strange especially as king George v was in the epilogue.
great video bro ai like you video all about my favorite steam locomotive
XtremeXpress What about Norfolk & Western 611? It's my favorite locomotive, it's streamlined, and has gone to triple digit speeds in the past. And as a matter of fact, it was restored in 2015 & has been in operation since then. Would you have at least put N&W 611 in as an honorable mention, along with some other streamlined american steamers?
The UA-camr did a bad job, he forgot to put in even faster locomotives. Also I like the color scheme of N&W 611
Magnificent video!
The Pennsylvania Railroads S1 locomotive, " The Big Engine", reached 133 MPH during testing, and there are reports of the PRR recieving a fine for the S1 running at 156 MPH. This was documented in a Popular Mechanics Magazine article, " Riding the Gargantua".
That is true, but not often mentioned, the S1 DID pull 156 more then once.
Those reports are totally fabricated
The PRR T1 and S1 were capable of reaching 130 mph than Mallard
Thanks. I need to add keep up the good work.
When Coronation hit 114mph it was still accelerating when they literally had to slam on the brakes. Being considerably more powerful than Mallard many reckon it could have easily passed that locos' 126.
Mallard was faster than the No. 6220 Coronation?
Yes, officially.@@Shark30006
Music matches very good with this well maked video ! ;D
Wow you skipped over an obvious one. Norfolk and western class J. they ran between 90 and 100mph daily. While on loan one pulled a 950ton train at more than 110 mph. Some engineers reported speeds between 115 and 120mph. The engine was designed for 140mph but no one has been brave enough to try those speeds.
Too bad Casey Jones wasn't able to get hold of one!
I whould do it if they where still new
The NW J class still runs today it's sole survivor 611 can be found on display in Roanoke VA. It's on hold for excursion service due to Am Track playing politics. The east end shops in Roanoke rated the locomotive to 142 mph but it never got there she ran up to speeds of 110 mph. Another US currently operational 4-8-4. Is UP 844 built by Alco in 1944 that engine reached speeds of in excess of 120 mph. The main reason why speed records were not kept by US railroads is because they ran tight schedules and each railroad was competing for passenger service. Locomotive speeds were a guarded secret. People like to compare British and American steam locomotives. They were designed for different purposes in regards to passenger service. US locomotives pulled long and heavy contential service. While their British and European counterparts pulled commuter and short distance passenger work. You are comparing concord to Air Force One.
great video thanks
Unfortunately for the City of Truro the is no verifiable evidence of its achievement. Some commentators don't believe that it every did the ton. Without the evidence, like there is for The Fling Scotsman, it's open to debate whether or not City of Truro got there first.
I don't think there's any doubt City of Truro did 100 mph but not the 102.3 sometimes quoted. I have seen the stopwatch timings and plotted them on a graph. The last one looks a bit low but by drawing a best-fit line through the points you can certainly claim 100 mph.
Rosie6857 there are some that claim that Rouse Martin made errors in counting the mile posts and along with his watch only recording to 0.2 second that the recording of City of Truro's efforts were in accurate. This has been covered in great detail in Railway Magazine in the UK. The main issue is that there was only one timing taken and no one independently verified it, making it harder to accept as genuine.
I don't think you're right in saying that Rous-Marten took only one reading. As far as I am aware he took quite a number and the lowest was 8.8 sec for a quarter-mile which equates to 102.3 mph, a figure that on its own cannot be taken seriously. But the other readings point to a maximum of about 100 mph, which, after all, is not implausible though it needs a lot of steam.
Rosie6857 never said he only tookone reading, I said his watch was limited to readings of 0.2 of a second. As he was the only person making the recording (the timing) an errors in the recording will not be highlighted which makes his claims, less reliable then those made about The Flying Scotsman which was made using a calibrated dynamometer car.
OK. I'd better stop or we'll take over the whole thread. :-)
GREAT job.!!! Loved your video.
Flying Scotsman is now 60103
Photographs, excellent, accuracy, excellent, diction, excellent, music, excellent, a pleasure to watch!
Alexander De Sainte-Croix Thank you so much! Really appreciate it!
Credit where credit is due.
Alexander De Sainte-Croix Thank you, I’ll do that in my next video!
you also missed Union Pacifics FEF-3's which did around 110 mph on fast mail trains
"Official" sources claim over 120...
@@eriknewland3686 a late passenger train pulled by an FEF-3 hit 128 in Nebraska
Erik Newland But, that wasn’t a claim. That was literally FEF-3’s top speed.
Erik Newland engineers had the authority to speed in order to make up time. Even if it was 120 that is still faster then most on the list
I thought it was, FEF-1 =110, FEF-2 = 120, & FEF-3 = 130, for their top speeds.
"I'll see you in the next video" ......... 4 years later, still waiting. :-)
Actually, the A3s production period is a bit weird. It began with 52 Gresely A1s in the early 20s, the first 12 of which were numbered 1470-1482, a little later 4470-4482. The first one, 4470 Great Northern was turned into a one-of-a-kind A1/1 by Edward Thompson (Gresley's not so liked successor), while the other 51 A1s remained A1s until 1946, when they were rebuilt as A3s. And that was after 27 new-built A3s began appearing in the late 20s.
Feel free to go crosseyed.
Also, although 2509 Silver Link bit the dust, survivng A4 locomotive 4464 Bittern has been masquerading as Silver Link for a while in perservation.
Thompson was umm to say the least controversial with his P2 rebuild to A2/2 and his A1 rebuild but he made masterpieces like the B1 and K1 (although peppercorn finished his job)
The rebuilding of the A1s (except 4470) into A3s began in 1927 and the last A1 was rebuilt in 1947.
Great Northern was like Peppercorn’s Class A1s and A2s?
No? Where did you get that?
On Wikipedia, it says that the Thompson Class A1/1 was a design similar to Peppercorn’s A1s and A2s
Its odd that Bittern was preserved and often posed as Silver Link. On a school trip to London as a very young lad , Silver Link had just pulled into Kings Cross . That was it i was hooked . So my first entry into my newly aquired Ian Allan book was 60014 .
I bet that Silver Link and Silver Fox could have been the candidates for preservation of braking 112 and 113 miles per hour
By the way, Papyrus actually hit 108 mph.
It's the fasted non streamlined steam locomotive
It’s famous
Very cool, you have talent and knowledge. Keep on making more videos about trains! Make a video about how steam locomotive works. Thanks and have a great day.
Personally I don't agree with you at #2, it would be extremely heavy. This is most likely a myth but its only my opinion. : )
The DRG 05 is an impressive locomotive that got very close to Mallard's record, but it should be noted that when it was setting its record it was hauling 197 tonnes whilst Mallard was hauling over 200 tonnes. Ultimately the A4s have shown themselves to have greater longevity, with 2 currently operational and still able to reach 90mph.