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I just hit my first C5 just a month ago, and it took me almost a year to do it. Before, I was labeled a baritone by my previous choirmaster so I was assigned to Bass 1 section, but just last year my group had a new conductor that believed my voice can do more so he trained and reassessed me to Tenor 1. Fast forward, I am now a Tenor 1 of two chorale groups, and I managed to keep it that way and hone my craft. It's no secret. I just needed a teacher/mentor to point out the flaws that I've been doing, and I just needed to restudy myself. I literally started from scratch. At first, I just fixed my intonation from C3-C4. Trying my best to sing it very gentle and beautiful, because I firmly believe to sing high notes beautifully you must have the foundation for it. Then after grasping that, I just focused on my resonance and the quality of tone through my Passagio I: C4-F4 which had been easier to sing with grace. Lastly, I managed to strengthen my Passagio II: F#4-Bb4 by letting myself go "blank" and just focused to sing the note rather than just to hit it. I am still strenghtening my B4-C5 (the pitch is already there, it just needs a little more chest voice) so that I may sing them beautifully, and I have been enjoying the journey! My lowest note would be Eb2 but I would rather just hit a casual A2 if ever I need to wake-up my vocals. Like Sir Carlo just said, it's better to take care of the technique!
Wow. I relate so much. I remember being stuck at a G#4 for months as a beginner. As a naturally shy kid growing up in a very hypermasculine environment, I tended to speak in a really low mumble and people always asked me to repeat myself. I thought I was a baritone because of a lifetime of bad speaking habits and a subconscious fear of sounding 'light' and effeminate. My earliest attempts at singing were without a teacher. I was extremely dark and woofy and swallowed my voice. I thought this was my true tone and that I sounded 'powerful'. In reality, it was weak and didn't travel across my apartment when I would record myself. Studying breath support and placement unlocked everything for me. I've been singing for 2 years and have a consistent B4 now. Embracing my naturally young/boyish speaking voice and allowing myself to be more expressive made the difference.
Very relatable. I tried mimicking baritones and sing lower stuff. But I couldn’t support it. I hated it. One day I heard circa survive and just tried to sing. I did constrict and strained in the beginning but I was already more on pitch right from the 1st try.. I have accepted having a piercing, higher and boyish sound.
Hi Carlo ! My name is Ivan i'm from Brazil. I began singing in 2020 and for 4 years i though i was a baritone, i had 3 teachers telling me i was a tenor and one i was a baritone. I felt really incapable about my limits and vocal extension, then i began having classes with a teacher in my city and i had the same feeling about reaching a A4 and then Bb4, B4. I'm going to stop singing all the baritone repertory and begin the studies to construct my voice. Thank you for making videos, i've been watching you for a time and your content made me feel less hopeless. I will hit that C5 !!! Thank you Ivan.
Hello Ivan, Thank you very much for sharing your story with all of us; I am really happy for you! It is very good to talk about these things and know we are not alone, as many of us have gone through similar situations in our vocal journey. I hope you're able to hit that C5!!
I've been noticing the tone of voice of tenors and baritone when they speak. That's how I realized that I'm much closer to tenors. I usually speak in my low register, a2 - c3, so I thought I was a baritone a little because of that, but baritones, when they speak more seriously, more soberly, at a low volume, most of the time their voice drops to bass notes (d2? e2? f2?), and they speak at a higher volume than I do on these baritone notes that I almost whisper. I also noticed that in commercial music (pop, rock, jazz, metal), it's rare to find a baritone who can't sing a d2, e2... I can't even vocalize these notes, lol (most tenors stop at f2, g2)
Hey Marcos! Thank you for leaving a comment! You are correct; my lowest note is a G2, and I rarely sing it, as usually at a C3 I start to struggle, of course with the right technique you do it. Still, I really begin to struggle with notes below an E3. For what you are saying, you are most likely a tenor, I cannot be 100% sure but those characteristics are often found in tenor voices. :)
@@CARLOORLANDI1 Thanks for answering. That's great. G2 is a note that I can only reach depending on the time of day and other things. At night, my voice usually stops between G2 and G2#. Richard Miller wrote that the lyric tenor usually has a range of G2-C3 when lowering the larynx (strohbass), which he doesn't consider very healthy. As for the high notes, I'm still a beginner and I avoid them. For me, it's enough to raise the volume of my voice to reach an F4#, which would be a difficult note for a baritone. But yesterday, for example, I did a D5, just focusing on raising the soft palate, it's not difficult, and I already did a pretty good A4#. But I'm taking it slow so as not to take risks. Do you think you're a leggero tenor?
Hi Marcos! I really appreciate you telling me this, I enjoy reading this kind of story, I do not believe 100% in those classifications or what others would call your "Fach", as I think with the right technique you can master many pieces, although it is undeniable that being able to do something might not be healthy in the long run, as not all sets of muscles are good for dramatic Arias, and not all sets of muscles are good for acrobatic Arias full of ornamentations like Baroque Music; but answering your question, I would see myself more as a leggero or lyric-leggero tenor, I can sing in a very dramatic way with a big and loud voice, but I don't feel it natural for my voice, I feel much more comfortable singing lighter pieces, perhaps also because of my personality, I happen to enjoy them more hehe. I hope this answers your question! If you are really interested in all of this, I invite you to have a look at my new eBook. If you find the video about "The Blended Voice" in my channel, there is a link for you to get it for free. I also have an online free training session-again, all for free, and you may enjoy it! Kind Regards! :)
I found a very old recording of my unbroken voice and it was very high/squeaker like. Then, it lowered like an octave and thought I was a baritone. It didn't make sense, but then realized I was a short tenor, as of videos where I started to sing again, this time jazz standards. I had f2 to a forced e4, f4 max. I went into gigging like that, as that paid for my stuff and could sound passable. However, as demand increased, I needed an easier top. Back then, I was putting so much weight into my e4, while I actually had to start shedding it a semitone below. People did classify me as a baritone, as my speaking voice sounds baritone like, but my mom, who is also my teacher and an accomplished coloratura soprano, had faith in that I was a tenor. We got to g4 and the occasional a4, but I used to crack a lot. Now that I know more, I understand what mom meant. She didn't acknowledge passaggio actually, but still taught the coordination to unlock the notes. I used to sing too open, as the videos I have here show, and that's why I cracked. One day, I vocalized to a c5 and even beyond like it was nothing, but the coordination to do so eluded me for a year or two. In 2023, after listening to di stefano in one of mom's collections, I got the classical bug and requested for training like that. Now, I have a c5 whenever I want it and all the way to Eb5. I can even coordinate pure head to sound connected until b5. So, now it makes sense that I still have something left of when I was a squeaker.
@@CARLOORLANDI1 i think I'll have to transpose the jazz standards up a third, as that's my strong voice, if I get to sing them again. However, the market wants a deep voice for those.
I think I've figured out my mix and can go to c5 but it's still quite light and not a lot of weight to it but when I try to use more weight my voice will slip
Hi, thanks for leaving a comment! I would advise not adding more weight but just lowering your larynx a bit more and darkening (covering) the sound; without the weight, it might help! :)
I m experiencing the same thing, my talking voice seem to be similar to tenors but i still can't go beyond a4 with pushing I'll make sure to try your advices thank you for the video
Work the NG and humming exercises. It's odd but what's helped me is visualizing "crying" through my forehead. The cry allows for the tilt but this also has the effect of raising the back of my tongue against my soft palate and creating back pressure. I've gone from a shouty G#4 to clean Eb5s when I'm good and warmed up. Hope this might help.
i dont know if i am low tenor or an high baritone ..... naturaly i sing light and bright and and its my natural way of singing .... but my teacher tell s me that when it come s to opera i need to sing in a more operatic way as a baritone bicause i have power and i need to find most regular sustain appaggio. these last 5 months i worked a lot on my lower range finding interesting things and i thinks lowered my larynx and increase my sustain. but i can feel tirer very fast . i became better in passagio and can bring a lot of power into my A, B flat , and also b natural on the good days. but i almost lost my high c i'm not finding to way to do it single , sometime i do i well by imitation and in exercises but when it come s to singing i'm afraid .... last time i sing i hade to sing a b flat and the day of concert my teacher encourage me to change every thing in my singing 2 hours before concert and didn't gave me the choice and i failed not by cracking but by doing ugly things and pushing .... and now i'm confused. if i listen my heart , my phisical feelings i ad to sing like a" tenorino" i'm not a light tenor able to sing e and f and crazy things like these , i'm a light voice with the range of a dramatic tenor . and i think i m made to sing melodies, napolitansong , espagnol i mean lyrical stuff but not opera stuff . but no one seems ready to help me to reach an high level in that tings they don't want spend month years with somoone who is maybe not able to sing opera respecting his voice
Hey Matteo, thank you very much for leaving this comment and for asking this questions! I am afraid this is the world in which we live in. In reality, if you naturally sing with a light and bright voice, and you feel free and comfortable there, you should hold on to this sound, because it is the natural placement of your voice, what happens? Natural dark voices are not found very often and those who have it spend more years developing these voices, those are heavy and natural difficult voices to work on, and some people, perhaps under pressure to have "great singers", in order to amaze an audience, are pushing voices to keep their institutions or agencies prestigious... But this is not good for your voice, as you say, you get tired faster and easily, as this sound is not natural to you, it is being forced. Now, this is important: you could really develop a rich and dark voice by applying some techniques, based on a strong laryngeal resonance, so they will tell you to focus on your chest and make sounds produced at the lowest and deepest zone of your larynx, and eventually you can manage, I have seen this myself, but if you don't like it and don't love it, what's the point? Also there is more risk, you can hurt yourself and develop vocal problems you never had before, because the entire structure of your singing, your base, is being moved and you are trying to build something else... so it's completely up to you, I cannot tell you which route to follow, but keep in mind, singing is about creating beauty, and you should feel free and excited with your voice and sound! and there are many ways for you to use your voice as you want and get away with it, even in opera! there are a bunch of useful techniques and most likely you could sing with the full register of a tenor; who knows! most human voices have "at least" 3 octaves and yet most of us are using only 2!! I hope my answer is helpful to you, I send my best wishes :)
@@CARLOORLANDI1 thank you it s very helpful , and yes the most précieuse thing is my passion. And i don t want to loose it singing things , and producing a sound that don t make sense to me. Last Day i was singing with à friend of mine who is a lyric ténor Maybe i was a light tenor when he was younger , and i know tha t my voice is différent he dont have to cover or make à Turn or "giro" on a G in my case i have to cover on f and sometime on e for singing pianossimo, don t push on g and then on g sharp i had the feeling of freedom and i can give more on a b flat , and b it s easy to me ..... for high c i need to make another Kind of passagio. Going in something very close of falsetto but with cords closure. So i think i have in between light baritones and my friend with his very t perfectly ténorish sound. But not dramatic like we can expect for this voice range ....
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I just hit my first C5 just a month ago, and it took me almost a year to do it.
Before, I was labeled a baritone by my previous choirmaster so I was assigned to Bass 1 section, but just last year my group had a new conductor that believed my voice can do more so he trained and reassessed me to Tenor 1.
Fast forward, I am now a Tenor 1 of two chorale groups, and I managed to keep it that way and hone my craft.
It's no secret. I just needed a teacher/mentor to point out the flaws that I've been doing, and I just needed to restudy myself.
I literally started from scratch. At first, I just fixed my intonation from C3-C4. Trying my best to sing it very gentle and beautiful, because I firmly believe to sing high notes beautifully you must have the foundation for it.
Then after grasping that, I just focused on my resonance and the quality of tone through my Passagio I: C4-F4 which had been easier to sing with grace.
Lastly, I managed to strengthen my Passagio II: F#4-Bb4 by letting myself go "blank" and just focused to sing the note rather than just to hit it.
I am still strenghtening my B4-C5 (the pitch is already there, it just needs a little more chest voice) so that I may sing them beautifully, and I have been enjoying the journey!
My lowest note would be Eb2 but I would rather just hit a casual A2 if ever I need to wake-up my vocals. Like Sir Carlo just said, it's better to take care of the technique!
Indeed, singing frequently the high notes need extra focus on technique. it is easy to get carried away relying on power and letting go of control.
Wow. I relate so much. I remember being stuck at a G#4 for months as a beginner. As a naturally shy kid growing up in a very hypermasculine environment, I tended to speak in a really low mumble and people always asked me to repeat myself. I thought I was a baritone because of a lifetime of bad speaking habits and a subconscious fear of sounding 'light' and effeminate. My earliest attempts at singing were without a teacher. I was extremely dark and woofy and swallowed my voice. I thought this was my true tone and that I sounded 'powerful'. In reality, it was weak and didn't travel across my apartment when I would record myself. Studying breath support and placement unlocked everything for me. I've been singing for 2 years and have a consistent B4 now. Embracing my naturally young/boyish speaking voice and allowing myself to be more expressive made the difference.
That is an amazing and very inspiring story, I really appreciate you sharing this with us!
Very relatable. I tried mimicking baritones and sing lower stuff. But I couldn’t support it. I hated it.
One day I heard circa survive and just tried to sing. I did constrict and strained in the beginning but I was already more on pitch right from the 1st try.. I have accepted having a piercing, higher and boyish sound.
Hi Carlo ! My name is Ivan i'm from Brazil. I began singing in 2020 and for 4 years i though i was a baritone, i had 3 teachers telling me i was a tenor and one i was a baritone. I felt really incapable about my limits and vocal extension, then i began having classes with a teacher in my city and i had the same feeling about reaching a A4 and then Bb4, B4. I'm going to stop singing all the baritone repertory and begin the studies to construct my voice. Thank you for making videos, i've been watching you for a time and your content made me feel less hopeless.
I will hit that C5 !!!
Thank you
Ivan.
Hello Ivan, Thank you very much for sharing your story with all of us; I am really happy for you! It is very good to talk about these things and know we are not alone, as many of us have gone through similar situations in our vocal journey. I hope you're able to hit that C5!!
I've been noticing the tone of voice of tenors and baritone when they speak. That's how I realized that I'm much closer to tenors.
I usually speak in my low register, a2 - c3, so I thought I was a baritone a little because of that, but baritones, when they speak more seriously, more soberly, at a low volume, most of the time their voice drops to bass notes (d2? e2? f2?), and they speak at a higher volume than I do on these baritone notes that I almost whisper.
I also noticed that in commercial music (pop, rock, jazz, metal), it's rare to find a baritone who can't sing a d2, e2... I can't even vocalize these notes, lol (most tenors stop at f2, g2)
Hey Marcos! Thank you for leaving a comment! You are correct; my lowest note is a G2, and I rarely sing it, as usually at a C3 I start to struggle, of course with the right technique you do it. Still, I really begin to struggle with notes below an E3. For what you are saying, you are most likely a tenor, I cannot be 100% sure but those characteristics are often found in tenor voices. :)
@@CARLOORLANDI1 Thanks for answering. That's great. G2 is a note that I can only reach depending on the time of day and other things. At night, my voice usually stops between G2 and G2#. Richard Miller wrote that the lyric tenor usually has a range of G2-C3 when lowering the larynx (strohbass), which he doesn't consider very healthy. As for the high notes, I'm still a beginner and I avoid them. For me, it's enough to raise the volume of my voice to reach an F4#, which would be a difficult note for a baritone. But yesterday, for example, I did a D5, just focusing on raising the soft palate, it's not difficult, and I already did a pretty good A4#. But I'm taking it slow so as not to take risks. Do you think you're a leggero tenor?
Hi Marcos!
I really appreciate you telling me this, I enjoy reading this kind of story, I do not believe 100% in those classifications or what others would call your "Fach", as I think with the right technique you can master many pieces, although it is undeniable that being able to do something might not be healthy in the long run, as not all sets of muscles are good for dramatic Arias, and not all sets of muscles are good for acrobatic Arias full of ornamentations like Baroque Music; but answering your question, I would see myself more as a leggero or lyric-leggero tenor, I can sing in a very dramatic way with a big and loud voice, but I don't feel it natural for my voice, I feel much more comfortable singing lighter pieces, perhaps also because of my personality, I happen to enjoy them more hehe. I hope this answers your question!
If you are really interested in all of this, I invite you to have a look at my new eBook. If you find the video about "The Blended Voice" in my channel, there is a link for you to get it for free. I also have an online free training session-again, all for free, and you may enjoy it! Kind Regards! :)
I found a very old recording of my unbroken voice and it was very high/squeaker like. Then, it lowered like an octave and thought I was a baritone. It didn't make sense, but then realized I was a short tenor, as of videos where I started to sing again, this time jazz standards. I had f2 to a forced e4, f4 max.
I went into gigging like that, as that paid for my stuff and could sound passable. However, as demand increased, I needed an easier top. Back then, I was putting so much weight into my e4, while I actually had to start shedding it a semitone below. People did classify me as a baritone, as my speaking voice sounds baritone like, but my mom, who is also my teacher and an accomplished coloratura soprano, had faith in that I was a tenor. We got to g4 and the occasional a4, but I used to crack a lot. Now that I know more, I understand what mom meant. She didn't acknowledge passaggio actually, but still taught the coordination to unlock the notes. I used to sing too open, as the videos I have here show, and that's why I cracked.
One day, I vocalized to a c5 and even beyond like it was nothing, but the coordination to do so eluded me for a year or two. In 2023, after listening to di stefano in one of mom's collections, I got the classical bug and requested for training like that. Now, I have a c5 whenever I want it and all the way to Eb5. I can even coordinate pure head to sound connected until b5. So, now it makes sense that I still have something left of when I was a squeaker.
Thanks for sharing this with us! :)
@@CARLOORLANDI1 i think I'll have to transpose the jazz standards up a third, as that's my strong voice, if I get to sing them again. However, the market wants a deep voice for those.
its also a muscle which takes time to grow.
That is correct! I talked about this in other videos, thanks for leaving this comment!
I think I've figured out my mix and can go to c5 but it's still quite light and not a lot of weight to it but when I try to use more weight my voice will slip
Hi, thanks for leaving a comment! I would advise not adding more weight but just lowering your larynx a bit more and darkening (covering) the sound; without the weight, it might help! :)
I m experiencing the same thing, my talking voice seem to be similar to tenors but i still can't go beyond a4 with pushing
I'll make sure to try your advices thank you for the video
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Work the NG and humming exercises. It's odd but what's helped me is visualizing "crying" through my forehead. The cry allows for the tilt but this also has the effect of raising the back of my tongue against my soft palate and creating back pressure. I've gone from a shouty G#4 to clean Eb5s when I'm good and warmed up. Hope this might help.
i dont know if i am low tenor or an high baritone ..... naturaly i sing light and bright and and its my natural way of singing .... but my teacher tell s me that when it come s to opera i need to sing in a more operatic way as a baritone bicause i have power and i need to find most regular sustain appaggio. these last 5 months i worked a lot on my lower range finding interesting things and i thinks lowered my larynx and increase my sustain. but i can feel tirer very fast . i became better in passagio and can bring a lot of power into my A, B flat , and also b natural on the good days. but i almost lost my high c i'm not finding to way to do it single , sometime i do i well by imitation and in exercises but when it come s to singing i'm afraid .... last time i sing i hade to sing a b flat and the day of concert my teacher encourage me to change every thing in my singing 2 hours before concert and didn't gave me the choice and i failed not by cracking but by doing ugly things and pushing .... and now i'm confused. if i listen my heart , my phisical feelings i ad to sing like a" tenorino" i'm not a light tenor able to sing e and f and crazy things like these , i'm a light voice with the range of a dramatic tenor . and i think i m made to sing melodies, napolitansong , espagnol i mean lyrical stuff but not opera stuff . but no one seems ready to help me to reach an high level in that tings they don't want spend month years with somoone who is maybe not able to sing opera respecting his voice
Hey Matteo, thank you very much for leaving this comment and for asking this questions!
I am afraid this is the world in which we live in. In reality, if you naturally sing with a light and bright voice, and you feel free and comfortable there, you should hold on to this sound, because it is the natural placement of your voice, what happens? Natural dark voices are not found very often and those who have it spend more years developing these voices, those are heavy and natural difficult voices to work on, and some people, perhaps under pressure to have "great singers", in order to amaze an audience, are pushing voices to keep their institutions or agencies prestigious...
But this is not good for your voice, as you say, you get tired faster and easily, as this sound is not natural to you, it is being forced. Now, this is important: you could really develop a rich and dark voice by applying some techniques, based on a strong laryngeal resonance, so they will tell you to focus on your chest and make sounds produced at the lowest and deepest zone of your larynx, and eventually you can manage, I have seen this myself, but if you don't like it and don't love it, what's the point?
Also there is more risk, you can hurt yourself and develop vocal problems you never had before, because the entire structure of your singing, your base, is being moved and you are trying to build something else... so it's completely up to you, I cannot tell you which route to follow, but keep in mind, singing is about creating beauty, and you should feel free and excited with your voice and sound! and there are many ways for you to use your voice as you want and get away with it, even in opera! there are a bunch of useful techniques and most likely you could sing with the full register of a tenor; who knows! most human voices have "at least" 3 octaves and yet most of us are using only 2!!
I hope my answer is helpful to you, I send my best wishes :)
@@CARLOORLANDI1 thank you it s very helpful , and yes the most précieuse thing is my passion. And i don t want to loose it singing things , and producing a sound that don t make sense to me. Last Day i was singing with à friend of mine who is a lyric ténor Maybe i was a light tenor when he was younger , and i know tha t my voice is différent he dont have to cover or make à Turn or "giro" on a G in my case i have to cover on f and sometime on e for singing pianossimo, don t push on g and then on g sharp i had the feeling of freedom and i can give more on a b flat , and b it s easy to me ..... for high c i need to make another Kind of passagio. Going in something very close of falsetto but with cords closure. So i think i have in between light baritones and my friend with his very t perfectly ténorish sound. But not dramatic like we can expect for this voice range ....
@@matteoorsucci1076 Glad to read you Matteo, and very thankful to you for leaving this kind of message and sharing it with all of us!
A2-C5 good?
Hi, that is an excellent register to have; it's very good!
Thanks 😊