Milltronics CNC Lathe Training
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- Milltronics service and training technician Steve came down to the shop for a few days to help train me using their Milltronics 9000 CNC controllers. The Milltronics CNC control is straightforward and easy-to-use. Whether you choose Conversational programming, industry standard G&M code or use a CAD/CAM system, the 9000 CNC gives you the flexibility to use the most efficient program for each part. We'll start out on the ML16II cnc lathe to get the hang of the basic controls and functions used for turning operations.
I will be hanging out with Milltronics at IMTS September 13th from 10am-2pm. They will be located at Booth 338319, South Building, Level 3.
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The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys! You sure look like you are having fun and learning lots.
Good luck to you. Thanks for bringing us along too.
Adam this is just great to watch you getting into CNC. Just a few notes: 1) When using constant surface footage, to avoid the accel/decel issues you hear in this video you can just go into constant rpm at the last speed, then call constant surface speed again right before you enter the next cut. 2) The control may or may not have a spindle speed arrival check code that you can use (especially for finish passes) that will wait until the spindle gets to speed before proceeding. 3) one of the biggest "oh, duh" moments I had when starting on CNC turning centers was if you find yourself cutting a taper due to deflection, you can just hand edit the program to add an opposite taper there, and then the part will cut perfectly straight. Hope that helps!
Couldn't G50 help with the accel/decel?
You clearly don't understand how the ML lathes work. He is not generating G code that he will edit. The control generates two programs, the conversational program which is like a database and the G code program that the machine actually runs. The idea that you can edit a G96 call on every pass is not practical. It's just not happening. In the Turn cycle you specify the cutting parameters while the actual part shape comes next. A CSS command with G50 limiter can be inserted before the Turn cycle or Face cycle. Adam has a lot to learn before he will be proficient. Give him time.
I remember our first brand new NC turret lathe, a big Warner-Swasey. The programmer would program the the parting tool cuts to progressively increase the RPM to maximum as the diameter shrunk during parting (to maintain SFM). When the part was almost cut off, that big chuck was making sounds a machine should not be making! Then it suddenly slammed on the brakes! I left for another shop, but I assume the programmer either fixed that or the machine broke.
@@Bob_Adkins Depends on the controls that Swasey used back then. G96 has been around a long time.
@@terrymoorecnc2500We could do various feed and speed overrides, but it's best to do that in the coding so you don't have to fiddle with it.
Impressive. I admire you for finally embracing CADCAM. Never let it be said that Adam does things by half measures.
I agree but he's been planning this move for quite awhile now. It was only December that the shop was move-in ready and gradually he filled the place up. THere are some serious $$ there.
Makes me jealous. I would love some CNC stuff in my engineering shop but I’d never be able to figure out how to drive it🤷 if they ever make a program where you can just yell at the screen then maybe I’d have a chance😃😃😃
Love it Adam! Your speed and productivity in you new shop will be infectious
Adam, been following this channel for a couple of years since machining became my workplace hobby. Keep on doing what you’re doing man. Love watching competent people learn new things and share the experience!
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i appreciate your takes without coolant and the door open. Normally you cant see anything on videos from CNCs.
Congrats Adam! Taking it to another level.
The first thread it cut was very satisfying, I am so used to listening to you talk about the pitch, scratch pass, get the gauge out, confirm, etc. but the machine (of course) just went full throttle immediately. Excited for your CNC journey!
Adam, knowing how busy you must be with all the irons in the fire, I really appreciate you taking the time to tape and edit the videos you post. I love being on the journey with you.
I'm excited for you Adam and watching you learn these beautiful new machines and finally get some work coming out of this shop.
Milltronics is great to work with. They helped me debug an older cnc control from the early 90s retrofitted on a VTL. Got it working 2 years ago and still working today.
Won’t be long until you will be able to do just about anything you can think of with all the stuff you got in the shop awesome buddy thanks for sharing
Continuing education is a great thing to see and I hope your new journey into the world of CNC is fruitful and enjoyable. I certainly am excited to watch.
I see Abom custom tools becoming more of a reality than a dream with every video.
Those are some sweet machines, they are going to open up so many new opportunities.
This channel has just moved up to another level. Awesome
Adam, you're movin on up! It is so wild watching you make something in less then 5 minutes that I have watched you do 20 times manually. Then you realize the programing time to make such a fairly simply feature and you realize these machines are designed to make Many of the same feature not just one. Although making one is a joy to watch being made, when you realize it's looking back at you saying "That's it...........look pal you're gonna have to feed me a lot more then that to get me paid for? LOL. Enjoy your success brother. Couldn't be more happy for you. Looking forward to learning along with you as always.
I just want to say that's it's great to see how happy you are working in the new shop, and how enthused you are for learning new stuff. I definitely want to see you set up something like 5TPI Acme threading on a CNC lathe as opposed to the manual lathes, just to see how easy/difficult they are in comparison.
What are you talking about friend 🤔 😒?????
That is probably not a project a newbie to CNC would take on right away. I have every confidence that Adam will be able to accomplish tasks such as you mentioned in due time.
Whats that? please go slow.
Adam, We are so very proud of you! Here's to hoping that the new shop, tools, and equipment will open many doors and opportunities for you. Now and many years to come.
Man that thing can make a lot of chips in a hurry. Seriously impressive. Thank you for the content Adam.
You've come a long way cowboy, good for you and your viewers !!🙃
Nice to see you are smiling using new technology in your shop
A joy to watch Adam, that is something I wish I had done years back.
I've never seen you smile so much, Abom. I'd be smiling too!!
Very cool to see the new machines up and running and you running your first parts. 🙂
Congrats on the new machines. I would love to see a video about how you set up the CNC lathe tooling.
After all those years hard working you deserve the best machines Abom. Succes with learning! It will help a lot in the future.
Super exciting for sure! Awesome to see a CNC lathe and Mill. WoW...
Wow ...what a machine.. definitely different than working old style I bet.
That's some exciting stuff Adam, little jealous if I'm honest, but super happy for you and can't wait to see all the new CNC content!
I remember you way back. All you had was a hammer and a file. You've come a long way.
Remember when this guy used to work on those awesome gearboxes at Motion? I miss that. i learned how to use a lathe by watching Adam, old machines are obtainable. These ones are not, for me. Thats great that hes learning this stuff, I would if given the chance. But these machines will be obsolete scrap in 20 years, just like the early cnc from the 70's . My old Clausing will still turn , though.
I'm curious do you still drive a model T? Manual machines are neat to learn on but once you get use to running CNC it makes them almost punishment. I work in a shop that has 3 manual lathes, 3 manual mills and about 30 CNC mills and lathes. Mostly everything that is run on the manual machines could be run better on the CNC but some people are just stuck in the old ways of doing things. I run both Manual and CNC lathes and mills, CNC is much better parts.
Larry, they might make better parts but they will not make good videos to watch. I watched to learn how to run manual machines like I have in my home shop. Progress I guess, just not for me. Difference between a hobby and a business.
@@sanddan525 That may be your opinion but alot of us like to watch both, I also have a shop full of manual machines plus a CNC plasma table I run both Manual and CNC at my day job. It's more interesting doing those operations on CNC, alot more to learn and understand to do the same job.
Wow Adam my frend, what a speed in that Milltronics Lathe, beautiful machines in the shop....
That is outstanding. I know you are happy
It good to understand how to use and learn the workings of the CNC equipment, but still love the manual equipment which give you the feeling of making a product
great work! thanks for sharing!
Adam, I noticed you are leaving a tool in the spindle of the mill when it's powered off. I would highly suggest that you always remove the tool from the spindle whenever the machine is off in my experience if they're left in there for long period of time they tend to get stuck and it's very hard on the tool changer at the first tool change of the day. I have also tool changer malfunction when tool doesn't want to release from the spindle.
This suggestion is particularly important if the machine has been worked hard and the spindle gets hot. The toolholder will "sink" into the taper when it gets hot. Then when the spindle cools off it will be gripping the toolholder much tighter than you might think. I've had techs tell me of removing the spindle and using a 20-ton press to get a toolholder out.
That was the first damn thing i noticed. Did that many moons ago on an older Bridgeport CNC machine (cat40)
Thing was stuck so bad it almost ripped the toolchanger right off the thing.
Bad day
Not only can they get stuck, if the retention system is built using belleville washers, it can put unneeded stress on them.
I would imagine the Milltronics has some recommendations on tool holder maintenance. On my TM-1P I put a light grease on the tips of the tool holder studs occasionally and also apply a light coat of WD 40 on some light oil to the outside of the tool holder on an occasional basis to each tool in the spindle as well as those that are hopefully in an enclosed cabinet.
My technician showed me a method to inject some air tool oil into the air line that supplies air to the tool holder changer mechanism. This will keep the changer from popping during tool changes. I do this on a monthly basis or as needed. An Air Dryer connected to the machines air supply is also not a bad idea.
Just something I do and Milltronics for sure will have a better solution.
Go Adam!! You are the man.
The place I work left a tool holder in the spindle when school let out. During maintenance before semester started nobody could get it out. We ended up having to pay a service tech to come up and get it out. Cost us quite a bit of money (several thousand dollars between the servic call/mileage/hourly rate) that we weren't planning on spending.
Now they take tools out everyday before they close up the shop.
Been a long time subscriber, never thought id witness this. Happy for you man welcome to the cnc club lol
G'day Adam... I'm amazed with the CNC lathe & what it can do once programmed, especially when you get repeats orders coming in . Looking forward to the Mill being demonstrated. Well done. Thanks
Hot and dry turning with a beautiful finish.
hell yea bro ! i love any kind of training
Nice setup Adam. Anxious to see what magic you wield with the CNC.
Love this channel.
Boy Adam your next generation of Abom’s is all set for life. Hopefully your own son or daughter will follow after your foot steps. You have a great shop there.
I nevr thought I wuld see the day Adam used CNC machines but I am really looking forward to this new journey.
I came to the comments to find all the commenting machine experts leaving their tips and tricks
A guy with Adams skills will have that machine running full load in no time. I cant wait to see the chips and the speed of machining when he really gets it going full noise!
Awesome to see you on cncs
A whole new world Adam. This creates new opportunities.
Wow, that is really cool!
Like the new shop thanks for sharing
Love it Adam, Life just easy with CNC machine
Eso se ve exelente trabaja muy rápido ahora sí vas a trabajar enserio pará eso son buenas esos CNC me contenta mi amigo Abom 79
I would love to see Abby jump on board this new learning phase and both Adam & Abby learn CNC together. What a formidable force, two powerhouse personalities working together when this CNC show gets up and running. I think that would be awesome!
What ever you do: DO NOT let Abby jump in (or near) the workshop. A sinkhole will form and all the machines will fall into the abyss.
Satisfactory!
Lathe was starting to work hard.
Coolant for heavier stuff, methinks.
You're gonna love hearing them run while working on the manual machines just making money!
This is cool to see a none haas machine doing some real cutting. I will need to replace my little lathe one of these days and I will def check Milltronics out for that
Ive been watching you for yearss and its nice to see ya grow.. if ya ever need a hard worker ya let me know... but i watch this channel to learn and to see what kinda projects you get into but one yhing about this trade is no matter how long your in it theres always something new to learn, a better way to do things and always something to give you a challenge!
I ran one of these at work, it did pretty good. We use Mastercam and it was easy to get running. I could hold .0001's +- easily, it's not as productive as a full blown slant bed lathe. But overall pretty good.
youll be in heaven doing threading with that machine wow that is fast and precise
Thanks. I wanted to learn more about CNC. This helps a lot.
Good that you are spending machine time as you will learn all the tricks in cnc compared to manual… great work, I be glad when you do your first production job…
As much as I love these new-fangled CNC machines, I’m a sucker for seeing all the work that goes into working a manual mill and lathe. It’s good to see you move on to the high-tech side, but I’m going to miss seeing you work those old machines more and more. The shop is coming along nicely, and no one doubts you deserve everything because of your hard work and dedication. Stay safe, Adam.
Pretty fascinating!
A lot of CNC videos show the machine running, witch is cool. But the setup is where the knowledge is
Most people are not good teachers and also do not want to share the knowledge.
You're going to love it Adam.I was a manual machinist most of my life and purchased my first cnc lathe 11 years ago and a couple of machining centres down the track and it was the best move I ever made even though I still do lot of manual machining as well but can't compare the speed and finish of a cnc.I remember you machining some fiddly small parts in some early videos that was time consuming now you can do it in fraction of the time.I use conversational programming on the lathe but gets too hard on the mill especially 2.5-3 D machining so subscribe to FUSION 360 which is cheap and makes life so much easy.
I think Adam is a little taken back by how well the tolerances came out on those lol. He knows a lot of mundane tasks in his life just became 100x easier!
Yes indeed, you have so much control with the buttons. No more putting up with a little taper here and there, just make the machine walk and talk.
That rendering function on the control is Golden! As long as the tool offsets are correct you'll be Golden. Don't every trust a virgin program! Finger in the red button and if things really go south "Hit the big red button"! You're going to love this transition. I was a manual guy and transitioned to a Haas TL-1. Had the 4 station toolpost. Never looked back. If I can do it. you can do it too!
A bit of coolant wouldn't go amiss Adam. You're in control still. The slight change is that you are instructing the machine to wind the handles for you. Good luck. This is another exciting side to engineering.
Evening from central Florida! Have a good one!
That was a major new experience.
& who says you can’t teach an old dog new tricks! It’s really going to be awesome to see you learning all this stuff
Its very good 😊 and so much interesting to see everything easily
Amazing!
Awesome Adam 👍👍
Impressive. Looking forward to some projects... :-)
When you run the flood coolant it will probably effect dimension stability and tool wear compensation. I'm surprised you're able to open
the doors during a cycle unless you can override the interlock. Congrats! That's a giant step and commitment you took. You're young
enough to learn and apply new skills in your career. It will be interesting to watch how you progress into CAD/CAM, machine programing
and G-Coding.
Really ? I'm not a cnc machinist, nor manual machinist, but this sounds so interesting and makes me curious. Do you mind explaining how much/to what extent might flood coolant affect dimension stability ? And also why should coolant affect it ? Isn't coolant supposed to help prolong tool wear and improve dimensional stability ? \
@@rixogtr Improving it *is* an effect.
That said, the coolant will change how the tool cuts so it'll act like the tool wear is a bit different than it is with air as a lubricant/coolant. Just like how you can change the size of the hole a reamer cuts by changing the viscosity of the cutting oil, you can change how any lathe (or mill) tool cuts by varying the coolant. Air coolant is very low viscosity, flood coolant is much higher, so tools will tend to cut a bit less with coolant than with air. Of course there's more to it than this, tool geometry matters for how it reacts with different lubricants, work material matters, etc.
@@PeregrineBF very interesting. Could you give an example of differences ?
For instance a 4140 shaft on a roughing pass from 1", what's the difference between coolant and no coolant ?
The differences are very small (0.5-1.5 thou) in most cases. You'll notice tool wear changes much more than dimension on a roughing pass (surface finish too, but no one cares about that on a roughing pass).
@@PeregrineBF Yeah, Adam is all about the surface finish so it might make sense for him to use coolant for nicer finish ?
What a great 👍 job. Thank you 👌 Ken NC
sir thanks for this video,,Im inspired to learn CNC also,,Good job!
Hi Adam, you may want to consider using left hand lathe turning tools and running the spindle in reverse so the tool load is directed towards the bed ways properly. Your machine will perform better and last longer.
true, the tool load should push down to the bed
They're designed to run upside down for better chip disposal.
When you consider the amount of force at the toolpoint vs. The massiveness of the turret and ways.... It really doesn't matter. There's not enough torsional Force to make a difference, really, in bed and bearing wear.
Adam, regarding the first thread cycle you cut being a couple thou big, as long as you had not removed the stock from the chuck you can simply make the offset adjustment (-.002 in X) then rerun the thread cycle. The spindle is timed under spindle orientation so it will line right back on target.
I was curious about that as well. Would have been a good training exercise for his instructor to show him how to apply the adjusted offsets then show him how to jump in his program to start again at the threading cycle.
Maybe, some spindles don’t orient and cannot recut. Some do. Good question for the trainer.we’ve got ‘‘em both where I’m at.
@@mb9604 unless its a REALLY cheap spindle it can do that as long as it can do canned threading cycle. even old machines from the 80's can do that
@@kkofodh my point is don’t assume it can recut, it may not based on how the lathe was equipped. A 100k lathe won’t if the spindle doesn’t have an encoder of some kind.
@@mb9604 it uses that encoder to actually do the single point cutting cycle. Now tap and die is another matter. Where it would just go. But single point is just like cutting imperial threads on a manual lathe. It engages at the same point on the dial. Just like you would
I came from a background or Ward lathes with mechanical adjustments. The setup times were terrible. Trial cuts test then take another cut to get it right. Once a cnc turning centre was purchased it was so accurate and set up times dropped dramtically. I even made some jigs and fixture on the cnc lathe. It was so accurate with a 12 station turret too. I like the newer style turret loading where a magazine of tools are on a conveyer up to 100 tools. Once loaded and set up you dont have to swap and change tools around so much like a 12 station turret. The machine brings the next tool into position for the next tool change after indexing.
Another interesting show. It's not easy to learn something new at this stage of your life.
It's almost like learning a whole new trade. Some things are the same and some are very different.
Maybe it's just me, I found Adam's channel a couple years ago and have learned a lot and enjoyed watching the turning and milling ops. His workshop is 10 times better than mine but I could identify with it. All this new CNC stuff is obviously marvelous and the way forward, but probably like many on here it's absolutely beyond my wallet and will remain so unless I win the lottery. I'm beginning to wonder if there's a change to the target audience, I find myself less able to identify with the newer videos - let's face it, there's hundreds of CNC related videos on you tube, but not so many using the traditional techniques than ordinary folk can copy and learn so much due to Adam's ability to impart knowledge.
Unless Adam plans to do serious production work (multiple part runs) the CNC lathe and CNC mill will probably end up going out of the shop. However he will probably end up keeping the FLEX machine because of its capacity to do unusually large work pieces.
I love that top down view where you can see the cutter make all the facing, turning, and chamfering cuts and change tools without having to readjust the camera! I am worried for your gopro though. It seems like it sends chips flying all over the place more than your normal manual machining, and bigger ones too!
Fascinating!
I hope your plan is to bring in some younger folks and teach them your ways in this ever more rarified trade. Your skills and knowledge are invaluable and it would be nice to know that it's being passed down to the next generation 👍
I have zero experience with Milltronics products but I was surprised to see that they sourced a 3rd party Turret made in India for these machines. It appears to be a decently robust lathe but you would think that they would build their own turrets.
I'm not sure who made the base lathe for Milltronics but I do know that the milling machine is made by Takumi in Taiwan which along with Milltronics is owned by Hurco.
How cool is that.
Nice
I don't know if this would be applicable to the Milltronics Mill or not but your vise is located near the front of the machine and the HEX shaft sticks out quite a bit from the front end of the vice. And with the vice handle on it I would think it would hit the open door if the machine was running. A friend of mine who owned a HAAS TM-1P bent the heck out of one his doors when that happened. What I did to prevent that from happening was to cut some off (about 1 " I think) of the HEX where it extends from the handle end of the vise. Then i got a 3/4" box wrench and cut one end off of it and straighten it so it would hang straight down. Then I installed an "O" ring over the hex shaft after installing the wrench to keep the box wrench from falling off. I have 3 vices loaded on my table and leave the wrenches installed and postioned in a downward direction with "O" Rings installed to prevent the wrenches from falling off while the machine is in operation. There is still plenty of the HEX shaft left to utilize the OEM Vice handle if desired.
I realize that Milltronics probably has a safety on the doors to prevent you from operating the machine with either of the doors open.
Just something I thought I would mention. Not sure how this would apply to the amount of HEX extension when ulilized on a Milltronics machine and John Saunders table.
Looking forward to seeing the BIG smile on your face when you see these machines running and making perfect parts under your direction.😊
Never leave a wrench on a vise when running a cycle!
Thrilling!
Nice to see you going all in on CNC! Now you just need to do CAD/CAM with something like Fusion 360 (good place to start) to really turn loose the power of these machines.
After learning those new machines your going to wish you had them years ago.
Milltronics is the best of all CNC types.
We have a SMW fixture plate on one of our Haas machines. I really like it, also dig the Mod Vises. my only issue with it is that the rubber plugs tend to swell up after being exposed to the coolant that we use making it pretty much impossible to stone the plate. I am planning to make some Delrin plugs to replace the them in the near future. Adam, if you are ever in Tallahassee, come visit us at the FSU College of Engineering Machine shop and we can show you some cool tools.
Neet little lathe. Definitely will be handy.
Its good to see that companies like milltronics use turret from pragati which is an Indian company proud to see this
Fine for hobby stuff, in an industrial setting I'd trust it about as far as I can throw it
Hi Adam,
You seem to be enjoying your new toys. And you will be able to say "look, no hands".
Operating is getting easier with conversational programming rather than using G code.
Enjoy the learning experience.
Regards Dennis.
Proud to see a Made in India part on the American machine.
A cool machine to be sure and I love that you are stretching yourself to learn new things. I am happy you have this magnificent tool. However, just to be honest, nothing about this mill interests. Watching it I feel like telling a guy driving a used Impala being told how great a Lamborghini is. Your channel speaks to me because who you are and because of the skills you have. The machines are always secondary to my interest. Example: the series on milling the 70 ton press shaft was great because it showed me how YOU do work and solve problems. Many are following this keenly. It just leaves me out. I will keep checking in, though, for the vids that DO catch my attention.