Leonard Bernstein called him the Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln of American music. Bernstein was the first conductor in the US to recognize Charles Ives as the influential American composer he has proved to be. Up until Bernstein, Ives was dismissed as a musical hobbyist and dabbler because he broke the rules in so many ways (creatively, I must say). Ives was introduced to the world when Bernstein premiered his 2nd Symphony in 1951. Ive's 1st Symphony was not premiered until a few years later (1953) because Ive's did not think anyone would want to hear it. Once he was known, Charles Ives appreciated the notoriety, even though it came toward the end of his life.
Thank you Mr. White. In fact if Leonard Bernstein had done nothing else but give Ives to the world he would be revered. There can be no more generous American. Recall Mendelssohn and Bach. This is astonishingly sublime music. "Don't be afraid to use your ears like a man." -Charles Ives
A unique fact about Bernstein is that he actually met Charles Ives prior to his conducting premier of Symphony #2. You can bet that any version of either Symphony #1 or #2 by Ives, conducted by Bernstein is as close as anyone will get to doing it exactly the way Ives intended. (I sometimes think others that have done Symphony #2, use too fast a tempo, for example.)
Bernstein and Ives, Bernstein and Copland, Vaughn Williams and Sir Adrian Boult, Fritz Reiner and Wagner - all conductor / composer matches made in heaven. Thanks for posting thie VERY enjoyable and moving rendition of Ives!
Bernstein was a champion of Ives's music. In 1959, he premiered Ives "The Eternal Question" in Moscow: something that did not endear the Soviet leadership to him. But the audience loved it and requested it as an encore. Bernstein was special.
@@rafaelgarritano4823 Yes. Often there is a problem when orchestras tour with this piece. There is an offstage trumpet whom ushers in the corridors try to silence!
Thank you very much for sharing this. I am in Oklahoma and a big fan of Leonard Berstein's music. I think he is the greatest musician of the 20th Century.
Its amazing how American orchestras basically don't support American composers like the genius Charles Ives. Wonder when that will change. In the mean time, it took maverick conductors (& European orchestras) like Bernstein (himself still underrepresented in American concert halls) to play this great stuff. Kudos.
Ah Bernstein, one of the greatest composer conductors ever! I like watching his technique, the way he cues musicians in with his nose, or his eyebrows. Pure Genius.
Brenda Hascall Eye brows yes but nose do you mean rubbing or wiping his nose with a finger? usually because he suffered from sinus problems,to make sure his catarrh was not escaping! poor L.B still nothing including all his many health issues detracted from his dazzling renditions of the classical repertoire.
You forgot his ears!!! The left is with the beat, the right for the cues. ..and look how the orchestra is looking at the oracle on the maestros nose , and fanatically stirring at the miraculous cues of his eyebrows, meanwhile losing their lines, dropping their sheets, playing horribly wrong. Later the Maestro calls the chaos genuine and primitive and sells it as "Ives".
BERNSTEIN cares mightily about IVES's work. When he conducts the work I hear a gravity missing when his near peers conduct. This is exampled immediately in the opening to the FIRST MOVEMENT. Almost a dirge here other conductor's make the work sound as if it were popcorn Americana. I prefer this interpretation. The gravity could break lead. That is appropriate to my ear. I'm too happy to cry at the solemnity, so I'll smile instead. Then when the movement's lighter more military march portion is performed the contrast provides a joyful "noise".
In 1954, in front of a German audience, Lenny Bernstein produced this memorable "laudatio" about Charles Ives and his 2 Symphony. Not even the usual coughing bats, hidden in the recesses of the Münchner Congress Hall could be heard. Original or funny turns of speech that would have unleashed waves of hilarity among an American public, encounter almost 10 years after the end of the war, an embarrassing stillness that fell like a tombstone.
Start with Debussy. It really has to do with experimentation - moving away from a central tonality in a composition, removing a standard rhythm. When this first began with Debussy (and even Mahler and Richard Strauss), it wasn't so noticeable. But abstraction became more and more common as time went on. Avant garde also applies to other areas such as jazz, the visual arts, etc.
I dislike post-modern music because it has no cohesive center... it's like someone stringing 20 different fragments of unrelated works together and calling it a symphony. We should probably find another word for this amalgam of disjointed and meandering auditory chaos. I would suggest the term, "Tonal Proposition." No offense to Mr. Ives.
I will always love Maestro for his championing of Mahler and Ives.
Leonard Bernstein called him the Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln of American music. Bernstein was the first conductor in the US to recognize Charles Ives as the influential American composer he has proved to be. Up until Bernstein, Ives was dismissed as a musical hobbyist and dabbler because he broke the rules in so many ways (creatively, I must say).
Ives was introduced to the world when Bernstein premiered his 2nd Symphony in 1951. Ive's 1st Symphony was not premiered until a few years later (1953) because Ive's did not think anyone would want to hear it.
Once he was known, Charles Ives appreciated the notoriety, even though it came toward the end of his life.
Thank you Mr. White. In fact if Leonard Bernstein had done nothing else but give Ives to the world he would be revered. There can be no more generous American. Recall Mendelssohn and Bach. This is astonishingly sublime music. "Don't be afraid to use your ears like a man." -Charles Ives
A unique fact about Bernstein is that he actually met Charles Ives prior to his conducting premier of Symphony #2. You can bet that any version of either Symphony #1 or #2 by Ives, conducted by Bernstein is as close as anyone will get to doing it exactly the way Ives intended. (I sometimes think others that have done Symphony #2, use too fast a tempo, for example.)
Bernstein and Ives, Bernstein and Copland, Vaughn Williams and Sir Adrian Boult, Fritz Reiner and Wagner - all conductor / composer matches made in heaven. Thanks for posting thie VERY enjoyable and moving rendition of Ives!
Bernstein was a champion of Ives's music. In 1959, he premiered Ives "The Eternal Question" in Moscow: something that did not endear the Soviet leadership to him. But the audience loved it and requested it as an encore. Bernstein was special.
I might be wrong, but Isn't "the unanswered question"? :)
@@rafaelgarritano4823 Yes. Often there is a problem when orchestras tour with this piece. There is an offstage trumpet whom ushers in the corridors try to silence!
Thank you. Charles Ives was the greatest composer of our time.
Oh so well said Mr. Melo. Thanks Lonegan63. Bernstein the finest exponent possible.
Charles Ives, the greatest American composer.
And let's just hear that again, Charles Ives, the greatest American composer --- couldn't agree more.
Thank you very much for sharing this. I am in Oklahoma and a big fan of Leonard Berstein's music. I think he is the greatest musician of the 20th Century.
Amazing work ❤❤❤ and music 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thanks for uploading. This is a treasure.
Its amazing how American orchestras basically don't support American composers like the genius Charles Ives. Wonder when that will change. In the mean time, it took maverick conductors (& European orchestras) like Bernstein (himself still underrepresented in American concert halls) to play this great stuff. Kudos.
Ah Bernstein, one of the greatest composer conductors ever! I like watching his technique, the way he cues musicians in with his nose, or his eyebrows. Pure Genius.
Brenda Hascall Eye brows yes but nose do you mean rubbing or wiping his nose with a finger? usually because he suffered from sinus problems,to make sure his catarrh was not escaping! poor L.B still nothing including all his many health issues detracted from his dazzling renditions of the classical repertoire.
i like watching the way his cock and balls twitch as he cues the cellos. genius.
You forgot his ears!!! The left is with the beat, the right for the cues. ..and look how the orchestra is looking at the oracle on the maestros nose , and fanatically stirring at the miraculous cues of his eyebrows, meanwhile losing their lines, dropping their sheets, playing horribly wrong. Later the Maestro calls the chaos genuine and primitive and sells it as "Ives".
Beautiful! Thank you.
thanks for uploading!
yes, yes... thank you very much!
BERNSTEIN cares mightily about IVES's work. When he conducts the work I hear a gravity missing when his near peers conduct. This is exampled immediately in the opening to the FIRST MOVEMENT. Almost a dirge here other conductor's make the work sound as if it were popcorn Americana. I prefer this interpretation. The gravity could break lead. That is appropriate to my ear. I'm too happy to cry at the solemnity, so I'll smile instead. Then when the movement's lighter more military march portion is performed the contrast provides a joyful "noise".
Lovely thanks
In 1954, in front of a German audience, Lenny Bernstein produced this memorable "laudatio" about Charles Ives and his 2 Symphony. Not even the usual coughing bats, hidden in the recesses of the Münchner Congress Hall could be heard. Original or funny turns of speech that would have unleashed waves of hilarity among an American public, encounter almost 10 years after the end of the war, an embarrassing stillness that fell like a tombstone.
Yes. Thank you.
Ives and Bernstein!! Definitely in the same league as Mahler and Bernstein!! (MAJOR LEAGUE>)
Well, he's from Connecticut all right!
1:00 is a good place to start.
Are you trying to be funny?
@fravengard
Thanks to you!
Hey guys I have got to do a presentation about the Avantgarde music. can anyone give me some advice of which musicians or types i must choose
Any post-modern composer will do for that... Ives, Reich, Adams, Schoenberg, Britten...
Just got done with 1 0f 3. Where on u tube is 2 of 3?? 3 of 3 is there.
in the beginning, it sounds like the first mouvement from Dvorak's 8th.
Consummate American music.
I hope you know this whole symphony was created by charles ives :)
My choir teacher recommended this to me to study bitonal music
+Dora Deng Not quite bitonal yet. Try the fourth symphony.
thanks
Start with Debussy. It really has to do with experimentation - moving away from a central tonality in a composition, removing a standard rhythm. When this first began with Debussy (and even Mahler and Richard Strauss), it wasn't so noticeable. But abstraction became more and more common as time went on.
Avant garde also applies to other areas such as jazz, the visual arts, etc.
Quite easily. Just start typing.
I dislike post-modern music because it has no cohesive center... it's like someone stringing 20 different fragments of unrelated works together and calling it a symphony. We should probably find another word for this amalgam of disjointed and meandering auditory chaos. I would suggest the term, "Tonal Proposition." No offense to Mr. Ives.
Agree.
Peter John Brandal Yes how correct you are ,my view entirely. cannot abide Schoenberg, Cage, Copeland, infact anything of this ilk.