Great video you are spot on ,we need all bikers to start a campaign all over the U.K. I will contact you direct about this .Well done M A.G for all your hard work you do .
You will, because they'll take it off you if you ride it. And they'll chuck you in the hole too, because riding it will be illegal. And where are you going to buy the petrol? You going to make your own? You rebel, you...
@fredmercury1314 they gotta catch me first. There'd be plenty of black market petrol!!!! Plus who's to say petrol will be illegal? There will be things that need fuel for industrial and agricultural use, so it will still be sold.
@@TheSd1cko Most industrial and agricultural vehicles use diesel, do they not? Petrol won't be sold legally to the public. That won't be immediate but eventually it will be the case.
@fredmercury1314 vehicles maybe do yes. But equipment doesn't. From silent small generators to heavy duty hedge trimmers and strimmers. They're all petrol. Electric will not replace those. In fact, I'll go as far as to say petrol anything will not be replaced anytime soon at all. The government are a bunch of morons that couldn't organise a proverbial free for all P up in a brewery. The national grid is nowhere near ready for the burden of such draw. The infrastructure for charging vehicles is decades away. Battery capacity and charge speed is nowhere near where it needs to be. And if everyone grew a pair as well and stood up for their rights it also wouldn't happen.
If i have to give up my petrol motorcycle for an electric one then whoever makes that decision for me can pay for the bike for me.otherwise they can piss off!
I wrote to my local MP ( Tory)and extolled the virtues of motorcycles as a green form of transportation and asking for the cancellation of the banning of petrol motorcycles. The MP agreed on how useful bikes are but then just jumped over the petrol aspect and said how exciting the future will be with electric motorcycles 🤮
Between now and the general election 🗳️ If you write to him or her again on motorcycle issues, you will soon find out on how their tune has changed 😉 Michael MAG NPO. P.S. thank you for emailing your MP too 👍🏼
It's almost like there is an agenda and all process is purely for show. Lets hope that ever nearing dystopian state isn't quite here yet. 4:37 spot on.
Just listened to PM on radio 4 They were talking about something the Telegraph newspaper had written about saying the government were mulling over banning new bikes from 2040 Unfortunately, instead of asking a person from MAG to discuss this, they had Henry Cole on the radio.
2040? Unless something is done about the crazy insurance prices, the fact that motorcycle theft is effectively legal and the cost of doing the test there won't be anyone left to ride motorcycles by then anyway.
Buy a new bike in 2040 ride it until 2050. By then because no young people are bothered about motorcycles anyone still riding will be on mobility scooters
Why don't you check out what he said? I did and in my humble opinion he gave a good account of himself and that of motorcycles, the use of motorcycles as a solution to the alleged problems But check it out for yourself.
The problem @rwalton is that the media are both ignorant and lazy. They take the shortest route, and so they know Henry Cole so let's get him to speak. We need to educate the media but remember the BBC is in the governments pocket.
So are most of your "enlightened" climate aware neighbors. They will happily tax and supporting other measures to move away from peoples ability to own their own vehicles.
I ride a 2006 honda st1300, a cheap bike that i could afford , How will i afford an electric motorcycle costing £20,000 . It will force me off the road . I dont understand when you have India, china , and many other countries churning out vast amounts of emissions yet we are getting screwed its all bollocks.
You dont understand because you think they are telling the truth about the reasons for it. The carbon nonsense is just a created excuse to stop us having personal transport. From that pov it all makes perfect sense.
That was their mistake with Brexit. They fully expected the result they didn't get, and that's why they've dragged their feet implementing it and done everything they can to make it fail, so they can convince us we need to reverse it. They'll not make that mistake again.
Just had a police and crime commissioner election, locally. 21.7% of the electorate voted. 73k conservative. 63k labour. 34k english democrat. 22k lib-dem. 21k green. The 'alternative' party candidate is already halfway there. 78% Didn't vote. You get 10% of Them to vote Reform, Heritage, or English Democrat (whatever's available in your area) as a block and you're 50%+ over the conventional candidate's best day's result. Once 'they' start experiencing loss of power and position there will be change. Alternatively, you can stay disengaged and just complain when they hand out your share of the day's gruel ration, likely made from insects, or the cancer cells they're calling substitute meat. It's the only type of cell that grows fast enough to be 'commercially viable', apparently 😵
Problem is, they will continue their green policies to coerce motorist into electric, oetrol stations will close and the few remaining ICE vehicles will have difficulty refueling.
We as Bikers have a small voice. We need to unite with other petrol heads such as hot rodders, classic car owners and kit car builders and the like. Strength in numbers
Motorcyclists will become the first victims, there are effectively no electric motorcycles to make it viable, the first year of fines could be enough to bankrupt dealers. I heard on Radio 4 that foreign car makers will just not bother selling to the UK. Which sounds to me that it isn’t an EU directive. If this is the case it should be dropped immediately. Or better still the manufacturers just refuse to pay the fines!!
You need to get out more. There are already viable electric motorbikes out there. People are riding them around the World. Move on your tune is out of date.
There are no sale quotas for motorcycles (for the time being). There were introduced for cars and vans in December 2023 though. Let’s see what the government and manufacturers do later on this year if the electric sale quotas are not met. Michael Armstrong MAG National Political Officer.
Today the bbc published that new ice motorcycles will not be sold after 2040. Get a bike now and enjoy it while you can, politicians are unlikely to side with motorcyclists of which I’m one, they will do what they want and keep taking the salaries and pensions when they step down. Just my opinion. Ps let’s all get out on national motorcycling day.
You’ve only got 4,830 subscribers. That speaks volumes to your utter lack of exposure to the many that ride. It needs a lot more effort to get to all people who ride be it bikes or scooters (shock horror, some ride both). You must sell the virtues of bikes not least the low size, weight (thus carbon footprint to manufacture), fuel economy (a rare thing in most mags is how good they can be) and the utter irrelevance of bikes to CO2 production in the UK. That last point is almost key. You need good technical support too and, dare I say it, dressing as bikers doesn’t help the cause when you’re dealing with eco zealots (all parties are just as bad other than Reform). Intelligent debate will be needed to beat these puritans.
To get any traction with the political parties we need to offer a clear alternative to forced electrification because there is wide public support for reducing emissions and the "we like bikes, bikes are great, don't stop us riding them" argument isn't enough. We should be pushing the benefits of synthetic fuel development: vastly lower emissions, no expensive infrastructure change required, compatibility with all existing combustion vehicles from mopeds to container ships. No more exploitation of the people who mine the materials required to make batteries, and no increasing reliance on China which controls that market. Porsche is leading the way on this, we should back their plan
Alternatively, we can get out and campaign for the common sense positions of Reform and Heritage party candidates. Alternative candidates are already hitting 50% of the votes needed to take main-party seats. That's with only 22% of the total voters actually turning out. Mobilise 10% of the stay-at-homes......👍😉
Electrification is ultimately doomed to fail, that is with all electric vehicles. If people don’t buy them and you can’t be forced to, then the whole pack of cards will collapse. We can help ourselves by not scrapping good bikes that may need a bit of money thrown at them to make them roadworthy, instead of going out and buying new. This is what they expect us to do so that we can be led into accepting electric, by refusing to entertain an electric motorbike or car ultimately we will win because manufacturers will stop making them; which is already starting to happen.
Politicians are the problem, alas. Labour, especially hate motorcyclists and the white, male demographic that mainly ride them. It brings a wry smile seeing MAG on UA-cam. Back in 1980, a lad I knew in college up here in Newcastle was the area MAG rep, and we often went out for rides up to Morpeth's Tranwell, and invariably git dispered by the boys in blue. I've come back to riding after 40 plus years. I wonder if he's still riding, these days? I can't recall his name, like much from that time, sadly. Be good to think he us
There was proposals made to the government back in 97 that was agreed to buy both labour and conservative with regards to the training and licensing system. IE scrapping mod 1 and 2 being among them. The current system is working. And yet 7 yrs later and still the government has done nothing to officially change the law. It's true they really do not care about the culture and industry.
MAG makes all the right noises and I agree with everything said in this video, but it's hard to make the connection between supporting MAG and the degree to which the stated aims are or are not achieved. I mean, there must be more to it than just paying an annual membership dues, right? Reddit seems to support forced electrification. There is a divide between the old school and the new school. Can you state what we can actually do, to help advance the aims presented in this video. Go to vote? OK. Vote for whom? If you say "look we're a voting block", then the politicians will tell you anything they want until they get elected, then renege on their promises.
You can only hold all the politicians accountable providing that they have something written down in the first place. So hopefully by the time of the election, we will have just that. After the election, it will be up to all of us to hold them to what they have written and agreed to. Michael National Political Officer.
My twopenny's worth: The main parties won't change course until they experience real, material losses. i.e power and position. Get your local Reform or Heritage party candidates elected in Any kind of numbers and you'll be able to watch the main parties fall over themselves to start adopting their common sense policies in a heartbeat
@@kinkajoo73 Disagree. That's how Khan won London for the third time running. People conflating far right views with automotive-related causes, such as ULEZ. Because of AI algorithms used by the likes of UA-cam and Twitter, people who watch the same sort of videos get the same sort of theme repeated at them. This gives the mistaken impression that there is a groundswell of public opinion that London is "lost" (or "fallen"), so is England, and so is the west, etc. All that ends up happening is that Labour wins because it's their turn to have a go, Reform and the like get no votes because hardly anyone actually supports extreme views, then the people who've been fed that AI-suggested content sit back confused thinking why, if UA-cam bots all support xyz and see the fall of Rome, why doesn't everyone else? At most it ends up with a punchup at the Cenotaph. Then the merry-go-round continues. Why does this happen? It's because of misconceptions. For example, I was born in Britain and am non-white. According to most Reform types, I am not English or British and should be removed. To where? I have no other citizenship. In this situation, even though I like to ride bikes and want to support bikes, it's actually potentially self-harm for me to support Reform and other fringe parties as opposed to the mainstream ones. I don't know why people conflate bikes with far-right views but it's time this stops, because it's a losing ticket.
British Politicians, don't you just love 'em. What was that Who lyric? “Meet the new Boss… same as the old Boss. We won't get fooled again.” Yes we will.
It's to late in the early 1980s motorcycle's died i was the only person i new who progressed from pedal cyclists to moped to car & larger motorcycles. It was made a hobby and not a good form of transport & as such taken out & this is why motorists ignore motorcycle's ( don't see them) due to almost no body having ridden or now's a rider.
Have to agree, most bikers are now past or near to retirement, and I seldom see anyone not a greybeard riding now, we are becoming extinct, whether we like it or not. And the insurance rises have forced me to quit, £400+ to insure a 125cc fair weather toy is too much.
@@davidmatthews3093Very real. I moved to an apprentice hostel in 1960. 90 of the 400 rode motorcycles. Can’t see that happening theses days. I have rallied for decades. Very few riders appearing on the scene. Lots of people I have rallied with are either dead or in a home.
Well, I am 68, have decades of no claims, and want to know how a 125cc scooter goes from 192 to 428 a year to insure, feels like bikers are being forced off the road. I won't pay these premiums, so biking days are over.
Hi. Im 80 and Iv'e just had a similar experience. Five hundred and some to £852. The bike was at one time garaged its now in a secure yard at the back of the house. At renewal Im always asked to answer a set of questions despite no changes from the previous year. Regarding the garage, I was asked how far from my house was it located, it's construction and if it was owned by a member of my family. I do get the feeling Im being eased out of biking for something not of my choosing. I do feel there is some not so hidden agenda going on and electrfication is just a part of it. Regards.
@@allengrant7201There IS an agenda, they call it the great reset. Research Klaus Schwab and the WEF on line, they openly talk about how they want us to live by 2030.
@@mark.e.p Hi. It might be my age. Ive also declared a pace maker and a worsening cateract. For the past eight years Ive been dropped by each company after two years and the wording was always about the same " We do not have insurance cover that meets your needs". Im not very good at shopping around. But as of next renewal I will be. They might overprice me but they wont beat me. Im not giving the bike up. Regards.
Don't ride 125s - the risk management formulas used by insurance companies ensure that you will pay a premium because those 125s tend to get nicked or crashed a lot.
Noncombative: If we agree that Motorcycles are a better alternative to other ICE vehicles, is there a reason this energy can't be put into expanding the viability of more modern fuels in motorcycles? The modern electric car market sprung up from zero to hero in the past decade, and we still have more than a decade now until these planned dates. Classic and contemporary bikes are likely to still be viable for decades to come, while I don't see the harm in having a wider range of options in the showrooms, as we have seen with cars. Even buses have managed to go fully electric now. It doesn't seem so much a question of engineering impossibility as much as of equitable implementation.
Thanks for the info, I have already canvassed the reps for the police & crime commissioner elections recently based on your requests for support…. However, what is it you want us to do with regard to the general election ? Can you please provide examples or instructions ! I’m a passionate rider and do not want my rights taken away but I need direction in order to provide support, not rhetoric or scaremongering !
The main parties need to lose seats to the common sense policy positions of Reform and Heritage party candidates. That's the only thing that will register with them. George Galloway's recent win being a case in point. Rishi held a press conference over One seat! A clear sign it rattled them 👍☺
I live in Australia. I have become aware of your concerns through this platform. I understand that as of 2040 (16 years from now) there will be a ban on the sale of new combustion motorcycles. With that amount of lead time manufacturers have plenty of time to develop alternative fuel sources (be they electric or some other source). According to stats that I've seen there are 1.6 million motorcycles registered in the UK and about 133K units were sold in 2023. If the proposed ban comes into force in 2040 (an it only applies to new bike sales) it would take at least 10 years before all combustion sales were replaced by electric bike sales (at the current annual sales rate and assuming that every combustion bike was replaced by an electric one). That is not to be complacent but it is to hope that whatever the policy is it is announced soon so that bike makers can get on with building the bikes of the future. I've never ridden an electric motorbike (there are very few models available in Australia) and by the time this policy (if it is to be the policy) comes into force at 71 years of age my riding (and probably my living) days will be over. What I hope happens in the UK is that a policy is announced so that the makers all have a direction to aim their R&D at and then bikes appear at affordable prices so that people who want to ride can continue to do so. In my own case I now ride a Spyder but I also have a Suzuki Burgman 650 scooter. O love both but feel a bit safer on the Spyder.
The child slave labour aspect of e's of any kind make them a complete no-go for me. Plus, to mine and process all the rare earth's needed for batteries to replace all the existing internal combustion vehicles, at current rates of extraction, refining, etc, will take around nine Thousand years. And they want it done by 2050-ish P.s that's the more readily extractable materiel. The tough stuff was in the 40k year bracket.
I think while motorcycling is very important to all of us and our countries heritage, would it not be better to get a guarantee from a party for support possibly REFORM as Richard Tice has said he would back off the NET ZERO crap. If we split down the votes too much it means Labour would get in and Kier Starmer will go full speed on Net Zero, mass immigration and rejoining the EU. So more stupid European regulation on our way of life! Also if we rejoin the EU it will be digital ids and CBDCS all the way.
I agree with much of your comment. West Midlands just had a police and crime commissioner election. Only 21.7% of the electorate voted. Around a third of that, roughly 7% of the total available voters, chose the winning candidate. The English Democrat candidate got 3.4%, or nearly half as many votes as the winner. You only need 10-15% of the currently stay-at-home's to vote for the 'alternative' candidate and the 'main' parties will be floundering. Go out and campaign for reform, heritage, whatever's in your area. If the uniparty lose seats they will pay attention pretty fast. George Galloway's recent win being a case in point. Rishi held a press conference over One seat! A clear sign that it rattled them👍
@@kinkajoo73 The whole voting system is rigged, tick whatever box you want, they will make up the count. Trump Vs Biden, Brazilian election and mayor of London. There's no way that Khan got the amount of votes needed, they made sure that he 'won' because he's on board with the big plan.
I don’t know how I feel about this video. I am a biker and have been since I was a teenager, now well into my 50s I enjoy it and want to continue doing it, but there is no doubt, for me, that the climate is changing and this change is man-made. Humanity, pumping carbon into the atmosphere, that was previously locked away, in my mind is the major contributor to this climate change. So, are we all doomed, because politicians should reflect the views and opinions of their constituents. But when those constituents, like bikers, want to continue burning fossil fuels and car users want to continue burning fossil fuels and the shipping & transport industry want to continue burning fossil fuels and manufacturing want to continue burning fossil fuels and travellers want to continue flying around the world, and politicians, reflecting all of our wishes, enact policies accordingly, we continue unchanged in the way we have been since the industrial revolution, in my view, we are dooming future generations and we may say so be it because that is democracy, but is it right? And while I’m mounting ‘the soap-box’, I really don’t get the ‘Save The Planet’ slogan, the planet is going to be just fine - it’s what, 4 billion years old already? And during this time it has experienced hotter temperatures, and greater levels of Carbon in the atmosphere than we have now, and been peachy. No, the planet will likely continue for another 4 billion years or so, right up till the Sun expands and consumes it, no, it’s not the planet that needs saving, it’s life - plants and animals around today, that probably won’t be able to cope with the changing climate and die out, just like loads of species have died out in the past, this will probably include us if we go on as we are, but hell, we’ve been around less than a million years, a blink of an eye, relative to the planet, so does anyone really believe we’re e going to last for another 4 billion years? It’s not very likely, something is going to get us, why not let it be climate change, probably will take a while longer before effects really kick in to the point that we become extinct, well after all our lifetimes, so hell, why not just keep calm and carry on?
Don't fall for this carbon scam nonsense, climate change has been around since before man and hey, we're all still here and will be in thousands of years to come. The whole thing is nothing but an elaborate scam. Sadiq khan in the news today about to fly out to meet the Pope and talk about the ' climate emergency' yes that's right, fly out to meet him .Private jet no doubt.
You point out that CO2 levels have been higher, historically. Like, ten-fold higher. So, if CO2, that we've released, is currently only a tenth of previous levels, and is also the primary driver of climate-change.......why didn't the climate cook all life on the planet when the CO2 Was ten Times higher than currently? Why was there So much more plant and animal life roaming around while the levels were Five Times the current concentration? Why are the 'surface' temperatures on every other planet in the solar system also changing if our CO2 output is what's changing our planet's surface temperature? We, sure as hell, aren't leaking CO2 on Mars, Venus, and Mercury, or on the gas-giants which are also changing. Here's a clue: it's the Sun that controls the climate. CO2 concentration rise Follows surface temperature rise, because cold water can hold up to five times as much in solution as warm water. You can be sure the ipcc knows this, full well 👍😉
@@kinkajoo73 I don’t think I’m disagreeing with you, scientists can pretty accurately assess previous levels of CO2 and sea temperatures from the past from deep ice cores from the poles and seeing whether sea snail like creatures shells went clockwise or anti-clockwise, and yes, the planet has been hotter than it is today and had higher levels of carbon in the atmosphere than we have today, these events took place a long long time ago in our planets history, and the planet was fine. Was there life on earth during these times, yes, but this life was not identical to life today, it was life forms - plants and animals that were adapted to that environment, when the environment changed, to something more like we have today, they died out or evolved, but the rate of change was very slow, giving time for evolutionary changes. The rate of change we see today - the acceleration of carbon in to the atmosphere, and the associated temperature rise, has never happened before. The change is taking place too quickly for evolution to be able to effectively adapt, so life on earth today will probably get to a point of extinction, the planet will keep turning and new life forms, suited to this new environment will take over, when / if this happens, I just don’t think it will include us or most of the plants or animals around us today. The dinosaurs had a good run, lasting for much longer than we’ve lasted, or are likely to last given the impact of climate change, so we die out, or vastly die back, as our environment and food sources will likely be radically different on earth. Regarding other planets - meh, not that bothered unless we could move there?
Now what i really don;t understand is why people give their fully and unconditional vote to a politician. If you're not happy with any of the politicians, don't vote, for me that's easy. If any politician is mandating the EV car or motorcycle, that is a politician that doesn't get my vote at all. The government in any city or country, is only fully occupied with themselves. The people is only needed when the politicians need a vote and they will ask for it and even get it. I learned a long way ago, if you're not happy with something, are you going to pay for it? Are you going to buy it? In those cases it's a now, so why just do that when the politics want your vote? The EV part is mandated by people who the politicians want to have so they will do anything what the those people ask. So the politics push the EV through, even though more and more sales are dropping dramatically, companies are dropping the transition to EV. Just take my advise and #StopVoting
It just seams to go on in the background behind closed doors.. you'd never know about it until it was too late..!? Need to start an online gov petition .. ?
Nothing wrong with 15 min cities. Especially in parts of the world where the automobile/petroleum lobby has resulted in large zones meaning you more or less have to drive.
@@steveclark.. I don’t live in a care home. I still own a bike. But unfortunately can’t ride it anymore.a combination of a gardening accident and an ABS problem which would apparently if I could find anyone to work on it cost more than it’s worth. That’s even using second hand part. It’s over ten years old so Honda no longer supply new.
Reform or Heritage. Whichever's in your area. Losing seats is the only thing the 'main' parties understand. Bear in mind, something like 80% of the electorate Don't vote, and only about 7% vote the winning candidate in. Get the stay-at-home voters out in any kind of numbers and voting for the alternative candidates and you will move the needle appreciably 👍☺
I am the Parliamentary Candidate for the Melksham and Devizes Constituency for Reform UK. I've been a biker for 40 years. Vote Reform - we will dump net zero, end the war on motorists and on bikers, get rid of 20mph speed limits, RPZs and Low Emissions Zones.
The EV proposals aren’t for another 11 years. The concerns that people have now won’t exist by then. That lady’s bike is not going to be banned as she suggests. Electrification is the future and is going to happen, and certainly isn’t the most pressing issue facing the country. Fully support improving the licensing rules as access and participation is the most important thing for the future of motorcycling.
It's only the future for now because people at the top are racking it in. That will all change when people hopefully wake up to what it takes to make these batteries
@@cryptohappy66 A statement dripping in ignorance. As if the “people at the top” don’t include fossil fuel lobbyists. EV is less awful than ICE for the environment. For the hard of understanding, that’s not me saying that EV are problem free.
It's categorically not in my hands, and not in yours either. They'll do what they want. They always have. The ruling class are not beholden to anything, let alone us plebs.
@@trevorphillips3055comment deleted because I'm not allowed to say what I want to say. That should tell you everything. I'll just leave this here instead 4% - the amount of the planet's CO2 emissions created by human activity. 1% - the amount of the 4% the UK contributes, so 0.04% of planetary emmissions 28% - the amount of the 0.04% of planetary CO2 emmisons caused by UK domestic transport, so 0.0112% 0.5% - the amount of the 0.0112% caused by motorbikes, so 0.000056%. In other words, thanks to any future ban on ICE motorbikes in the UK, planetary CO2 emissions will plummet by a whopping 0.000056% UK achieves nothing other than virtue signalling
If you are on the Electoral Register & you write to/email your MP using you name & address they are LEGALLY required to answer. Comments saying I wrote/emailed & did not receive a response should possibly be treated with a pinch of salt.
It has just be announced that petrol powered motorcycles are banned in 2040 if something isn't done now the end of motorcycling In the UK will come long before that scare mongering maybe but what have any government done for us in the past bugger all only make things harder for people to get on a bike can't see that changing can anyone
Only if they start losing seats to the common sense policies of Reform and Heritage party candidates. Reckon that's our bet, currently. Throw the main parties out of office. It's the only thing they'll understand 👍☺
It's clear that the whole voting system is rigged now, they are all puppets for the WEF. We can't 'vote' our way out of their plan, non compliance and action is needed.
Motor cyclists and the industry that support them are too small to matter to the eco zealots. While the CO2 impact of motorcycles is insignificant, politicians and government officials all parties will climb over each other to show their virtue by throwing anything they can at persecuting the green agenda, regardless of how little impact it might have or the destruction visited on a sub set of the motoring community.
I think that we all know that, with the lack of engagement of the majority of the electorate, we will get a labour government that will collapse in disarray within a couple of years and a period of open civil war will follow. Good time to take on a long round the world trip to miss out on all the unpleasantness 😂
They don't know and they don't care, and they never will. Now that younger guys are too scared of bikes, see them as being dangerous and cold, it's purposefully made harder and harder to pass your bike test, people are totally pussified and scared to speak up, the nonsense that "speed kills" being believed, less people interested in passing their bike test and so on, biking is dying. You'd need to get thousands of bikers up and down the country to protest every month for years to even begin to make a difference. Good luck with that now, more chance of me pulling Margot Robbie.
I love motorcycling but honestly I think there are far more serious issues facing our country such as mass immigration and the ever encroaching Islamification of our country.
All part and parcel of the same problem. 'They' won't change course until they experience real, material losses. i.e power and position . Get your local Reform, or Heritage party candidates in office in Any kind of numbers and just watch the 'major' parties fall over themselves to adopt those policies👍
@@kinkajoo73 That's a very good point. Planning on voting Reform, more because I will never vote Lab/Con again and don't want to waste my vote rather than their policies which seem a little weak to me.
Yawn yawn yawn. Motorcycling is not under threat, it’s just going to enter a new and exciting phase. And it’s not like existing ICE bikes are going to be banned anytime soon. And before people gob off at me I can say that I have over 40 years of motorcycling experience. Until recently I had a VMAX 1700, Moto Guzzi Griso 1200 and two Benelli 900 Seis. I also build and customise bikes for a hobby. BUT HERE’S THE BIG THING, I just traded my VMAX in for a ZERO SR/S electric rocket ship. And it’s the best motorbike I’ve ever ridden. If this is the future of motorcycling then so what. To me it’s still motorcycling, but it has an extra dimension to it. It’s utterly exhilarating and tremendous fun, and a completely different sensory experience. Don’t knock it until you try it!
I don't think petrol bikes should be banned but people dismiss EVs before they have even tried them. I've driven dozens of electric cars and a couple of electric bikes and some of them are amazing. Sure the range on the bikes isn't there yet, which is why I haven't bought one, but I have no doubt there will be plenty of options available by the time I am "forced" to buy one (if ever that happens) Going to the government and just saying you want to keep your loud, polluting toys because reasons isn't going to get you very far. Why don't MAG focus their efforts more on the real reasons why motorcycling is in decline which is the high cost of entry for getting a license and the ridiculous insurance costs?
You have an EV if you want, let us have the freedom and choice to have a loud and polluting proper motorcycle too. I started riding in the 80's, still love my 2 stroke motorcycle, I have ZERO interest in this battery crap that's being pushed.
@@steveclark.. that's cool. I had a two stroke as well and loved it (when it worked) but sales of 2-strokes have effectively been banned for over 20 years and you can still ride yours. Nothing has been proposed to remove older vehicles off the road that I know of
Well said. This MAG shit show shows motorcyclists in a bad light. Negative, unimaginative, uneducated old fools. I’m not in that camp, MAG are not representing me.
Biking is a way of life...
I have always seen like a religion. It has given me my own Guardian Angels bless them all and taken me too close to God over the years! 🫡😇
Thank you for enlightening me to the direction of government policy regarding motorcycling. I will be rejoining MAG directly.
Great video you are spot on ,we need all bikers to start a campaign all over the U.K. I will contact you direct about this .Well done M A.G for all your hard work you do .
Wont be getting rid of mine. No matter what they do or say.
You will, because they'll take it off you if you ride it. And they'll chuck you in the hole too, because riding it will be illegal.
And where are you going to buy the petrol? You going to make your own? You rebel, you...
@fredmercury1314 they gotta catch me first. There'd be plenty of black market petrol!!!! Plus who's to say petrol will be illegal? There will be things that need fuel for industrial and agricultural use, so it will still be sold.
@@TheSd1cko Most industrial and agricultural vehicles use diesel, do they not?
Petrol won't be sold legally to the public. That won't be immediate but eventually it will be the case.
@fredmercury1314 vehicles maybe do yes. But equipment doesn't. From silent small generators to heavy duty hedge trimmers and strimmers. They're all petrol. Electric will not replace those. In fact, I'll go as far as to say petrol anything will not be replaced anytime soon at all. The government are a bunch of morons that couldn't organise a proverbial free for all P up in a brewery.
The national grid is nowhere near ready for the burden of such draw. The infrastructure for charging vehicles is decades away. Battery capacity and charge speed is nowhere near where it needs to be.
And if everyone grew a pair as well and stood up for their rights it also wouldn't happen.
If i have to give up my petrol motorcycle for an electric one then whoever makes that decision for me can pay for the bike for me.otherwise they can piss off!
Good speech.
And they'll just confiscate your bike and put you in the gulag.
@@fredmercury1314 it's going to have to be a big gulag!
@@iancraig6070 The whole of Wales.
Our personal choices and freedoms are being eroded away.
The Davos Criminals Must Not Be Allowed to Dictate to the People as the People are always right.
You have no power over them.
Picture this, in 100 years Davos will be a museum like Auschwitz where the biggest crime against the humanity was made.
If voting changed anything it would be abolished
I wrote to my local MP ( Tory)and extolled the virtues of motorcycles as a green form of transportation and asking for the cancellation of the banning of petrol motorcycles. The MP agreed on how useful bikes are but then just jumped over the petrol aspect and said how exciting the future will be with electric motorcycles 🤮
Between now and the general election 🗳️ If you write to him or her again on motorcycle issues, you will soon find out on how their tune has changed 😉
Michael
MAG NPO.
P.S. thank you for emailing your MP too 👍🏼
The prick obviously doesn't ride a motorcycle then.
It's almost like there is an agenda and all process is purely for show.
Lets hope that ever nearing dystopian state isn't quite here yet.
4:37 spot on.
You will own nothing and be happy
@@stephenb1367🎯
There IS an agenda, an evil one at that, research Klaus Schwab and co.
Vote Reform
@@garyc7464 Tice backed taking the experimental jabs remember, he'll just be another puppet for the WEF.
Just listened to PM on radio 4
They were talking about something the Telegraph newspaper had written about saying the government were mulling over banning new bikes from 2040
Unfortunately, instead of asking a person from MAG to discuss this, they had Henry Cole on the radio.
What did Henry Cole say? He should be fighting this but maybe he's been bought now??
2040? Unless something is done about the crazy insurance prices, the fact that motorcycle theft is effectively legal and the cost of doing the test there won't be anyone left to ride motorcycles by then anyway.
Buy a new bike in 2040 ride it until 2050. By then because no young people are bothered about motorcycles anyone still riding will be on mobility scooters
Why don't you check out what he said? I did and in my humble opinion he gave a good account of himself and that of motorcycles, the use of motorcycles as a solution to the alleged problems
But check it out for yourself.
The problem @rwalton is that the media are both ignorant and lazy.
They take the shortest route, and so they know Henry Cole so let's get him to speak.
We need to educate the media but remember the BBC is in the governments pocket.
I wont give up my bike for their carbon scam, i will not comply
You will.
How are you going to fight it? It would be easy to outlaw us, and easy to catch us with the amount of ANPR etc
with the cost of fuel I am surprised that more people haven't changed over to motorbikes, and it's much quicker getting around in busy cities.
Its irrelevant who ever get in…. EU,WEF and un run the shit show now. 🤬🤬
I’m inclined to agree with you!
Vote Reform they are against this.
Best comment on here !
Labour is anti personal transport in any of it's forms, such as khan is in London.
So are most of your "enlightened" climate aware neighbors. They will happily tax and supporting other measures to move away from peoples ability to own their own vehicles.
This is possibly the stupidest comment I’ve read on the internet today. I’m almost impressed.
@@iainamurray What , your comment ?
@@iainamurray why is that the?
@@KeirGevo Because it’s complete and total bollocks, completely devoid of fact or sense and with a special hint of racism.
I ride a 2006 honda st1300, a cheap bike that i could afford , How will i afford an electric motorcycle costing £20,000 . It will force me off the road . I dont understand when you have India, china , and many other countries churning out vast amounts of emissions yet we are getting screwed its all bollocks.
You dont understand because you think they are telling the truth about the reasons for it.
The carbon nonsense is just a created excuse to stop us having personal transport.
From that pov it all makes perfect sense.
If voting made a difference
They wouldn’t let us do it
That was their mistake with Brexit. They fully expected the result they didn't get, and that's why they've dragged their feet implementing it and done everything they can to make it fail, so they can convince us we need to reverse it.
They'll not make that mistake again.
Unless there's a complete change of the Lib lab con and snivel servants, all personal travel, two and four-wheel will end.
The biggest joke is "voting will make a change".
Really?
Still playing that game.....
Not for me anymore.
Just had a police and crime commissioner election, locally.
21.7% of the electorate voted. 73k conservative. 63k labour. 34k english democrat. 22k lib-dem. 21k green.
The 'alternative' party candidate is already halfway there.
78% Didn't vote.
You get 10% of Them to vote Reform, Heritage, or English Democrat (whatever's available in your area) as a block and you're 50%+ over the conventional candidate's best day's result.
Once 'they' start experiencing loss of power and position there will be change.
Alternatively, you can stay disengaged and just complain when they hand out your share of the day's gruel ration, likely made from insects, or the cancer cells they're calling substitute meat.
It's the only type of cell that grows fast enough to be 'commercially viable', apparently 😵
Problem is, they will continue their green policies to coerce motorist into electric, oetrol stations will close and the few remaining ICE vehicles will have difficulty refueling.
We as Bikers have a small voice. We need to unite with other petrol heads such as hot rodders, classic car owners and kit car builders and the like. Strength in numbers
Got to catch us first!
Motorcyclists will become the first victims, there are effectively no electric motorcycles to make it viable, the first year of fines could be enough to bankrupt dealers. I heard on Radio 4 that foreign car makers will just not bother selling to the UK. Which sounds to me that it isn’t an EU directive. If this is the case it should be dropped immediately. Or better still the manufacturers just refuse to pay the fines!!
You need to get out more. There are already viable electric motorbikes out there. People are riding them around the World. Move on your tune is out of date.
@@davidmatthews3093 Stop lying.
@@davidmatthews3093
FYI I own a ZERO SR/F, I was making a point which still stands.
There are no sale quotas for motorcycles (for the time being). There were introduced for cars and vans in December 2023 though.
Let’s see what the government and manufacturers do later on this year if the electric sale quotas are not met.
Michael Armstrong
MAG National Political Officer.
Today the bbc published that new ice motorcycles will not be sold after 2040. Get a bike now and enjoy it while you can, politicians are unlikely to side with motorcyclists of which I’m one, they will do what they want and keep taking the salaries and pensions when they step down. Just my opinion. Ps let’s all get out on national motorcycling day.
You’ve only got 4,830 subscribers. That speaks volumes to your utter lack of exposure to the many that ride. It needs a lot more effort to get to all people who ride be it bikes or scooters (shock horror, some ride both). You must sell the virtues of bikes not least the low size, weight (thus carbon footprint to manufacture), fuel economy (a rare thing in most mags is how good they can be) and the utter irrelevance of bikes to CO2 production in the UK. That last point is almost key. You need good technical support too and, dare I say it, dressing as bikers doesn’t help the cause when you’re dealing with eco zealots (all parties are just as bad other than Reform). Intelligent debate will be needed to beat these puritans.
Ianross. Or could it be total ambivalence from motorcyclists that is why the subscription levels are so low?
To get any traction with the political parties we need to offer a clear alternative to forced electrification because there is wide public support for reducing emissions and the "we like bikes, bikes are great, don't stop us riding them" argument isn't enough. We should be pushing the benefits of synthetic fuel development: vastly lower emissions, no expensive infrastructure change required, compatibility with all existing combustion vehicles from mopeds to container ships. No more exploitation of the people who mine the materials required to make batteries, and no increasing reliance on China which controls that market. Porsche is leading the way on this, we should back their plan
Alternatively, we can get out and campaign for the common sense positions of Reform and Heritage party candidates.
Alternative candidates are already hitting 50% of the votes needed to take main-party seats.
That's with only 22% of the total voters actually turning out.
Mobilise 10% of the stay-at-homes......👍😉
Electrification is ultimately doomed to fail, that is with all electric vehicles. If people don’t buy them and you can’t be forced to, then the whole pack of cards will collapse. We can help ourselves by not scrapping good bikes that may need a bit of money thrown at them to make them roadworthy, instead of going out and buying new. This is what they expect us to do so that we can be led into accepting electric, by refusing to entertain an electric motorbike or car ultimately we will win because manufacturers will stop making them; which is already starting to happen.
You can be forced to.
When the choice is buy electric or stay home, you'll but electric.
Politicians are the problem, alas. Labour, especially hate motorcyclists and the white, male demographic that mainly ride them.
It brings a wry smile seeing MAG on UA-cam. Back in 1980, a lad I knew in college up here in Newcastle was the area MAG rep, and we often went out for rides up to Morpeth's Tranwell, and invariably git dispered by the boys in blue.
I've come back to riding after 40 plus years. I wonder if he's still riding, these days? I can't recall his name, like much from that time, sadly. Be good to think he us
There was proposals made to the government back in 97 that was agreed to buy both labour and conservative with regards to the training and licensing system. IE scrapping mod 1 and 2 being among them. The current system is working. And yet 7 yrs later and still the government has done nothing to officially change the law. It's true they really do not care about the culture and industry.
MAG makes all the right noises and I agree with everything said in this video, but it's hard to make the connection between supporting MAG and the degree to which the stated aims are or are not achieved. I mean, there must be more to it than just paying an annual membership dues, right? Reddit seems to support forced electrification. There is a divide between the old school and the new school. Can you state what we can actually do, to help advance the aims presented in this video. Go to vote? OK. Vote for whom? If you say "look we're a voting block", then the politicians will tell you anything they want until they get elected, then renege on their promises.
You can only hold all the politicians accountable providing that they have something written down in the first place. So hopefully by the time of the election, we will have just that.
After the election, it will be up to all of us to hold them to what they have written and agreed to.
Michael
National Political Officer.
My twopenny's worth:
The main parties won't change course until they experience real, material losses. i.e power and position.
Get your local Reform or Heritage party candidates elected in Any kind of numbers and you'll be able to watch the main parties fall over themselves to start adopting their common sense policies in a heartbeat
@@kinkajoo73 Disagree. That's how Khan won London for the third time running. People conflating far right views with automotive-related causes, such as ULEZ. Because of AI algorithms used by the likes of UA-cam and Twitter, people who watch the same sort of videos get the same sort of theme repeated at them. This gives the mistaken impression that there is a groundswell of public opinion that London is "lost" (or "fallen"), so is England, and so is the west, etc. All that ends up happening is that Labour wins because it's their turn to have a go, Reform and the like get no votes because hardly anyone actually supports extreme views, then the people who've been fed that AI-suggested content sit back confused thinking why, if UA-cam bots all support xyz and see the fall of Rome, why doesn't everyone else? At most it ends up with a punchup at the Cenotaph. Then the merry-go-round continues. Why does this happen? It's because of misconceptions. For example, I was born in Britain and am non-white. According to most Reform types, I am not English or British and should be removed. To where? I have no other citizenship. In this situation, even though I like to ride bikes and want to support bikes, it's actually potentially self-harm for me to support Reform and other fringe parties as opposed to the mainstream ones. I don't know why people conflate bikes with far-right views but it's time this stops, because it's a losing ticket.
British Politicians, don't you just love 'em. What was that Who lyric? “Meet the new Boss… same as the old Boss. We won't get fooled again.” Yes we will.
It's to late in the early 1980s motorcycle's died i was the only person i new who progressed from pedal cyclists to moped to car & larger motorcycles. It was made a hobby and not a good form of transport & as such taken out & this is why motorists ignore motorcycle's ( don't see them) due to almost no body having ridden or now's a rider.
Are you for real?
Have to agree, most bikers are now past or near to retirement, and I seldom see anyone not a greybeard riding now, we are becoming extinct, whether we like it or not. And the insurance rises have forced me to quit, £400+ to insure a 125cc fair weather toy is too much.
@@davidmatthews3093Very real. I moved to an apprentice hostel in 1960. 90 of the 400 rode motorcycles. Can’t see that happening theses days. I have rallied for decades. Very few riders appearing on the scene. Lots of people I have rallied with are either dead or in a home.
Voting just encourages them
Not if you vote Reform
Well, I am 68, have decades of no claims, and want to know how a 125cc scooter goes from 192 to 428 a year to insure, feels like bikers are being forced off the road. I won't pay these premiums, so biking days are over.
Hi. Im 80 and Iv'e just had a similar experience. Five hundred and some to £852. The bike was at one time garaged its now in a secure yard at the back of the house. At renewal Im always asked to answer a set of questions despite no changes from the previous year. Regarding the garage, I was asked how far from my house was it located, it's construction and if it was owned by a member of my family. I do get the feeling Im being eased out of biking for something not of my choosing. I do feel there is some not so hidden agenda going on and electrfication is just a part of it. Regards.
I'm 65 ride a 650cc, fully comp is £85. Not sure where you get insurance from?
@@allengrant7201There IS an agenda, they call it the great reset. Research Klaus Schwab and the WEF on line, they openly talk about how they want us to live by 2030.
@@mark.e.p Hi. It might be my age. Ive also declared a pace maker and a worsening cateract. For the past eight years Ive been dropped by each company after two years and the wording was always about the same " We do not have insurance cover that meets your needs". Im not very good at shopping around. But as of next renewal I will be. They might overprice me but they wont beat me. Im not giving the bike up. Regards.
Don't ride 125s - the risk management formulas used by insurance companies ensure that you will pay a premium because those 125s tend to get nicked or crashed a lot.
Noncombative: If we agree that Motorcycles are a better alternative to other ICE vehicles, is there a reason this energy can't be put into expanding the viability of more modern fuels in motorcycles?
The modern electric car market sprung up from zero to hero in the past decade, and we still have more than a decade now until these planned dates.
Classic and contemporary bikes are likely to still be viable for decades to come, while I don't see the harm in having a wider range of options in the showrooms, as we have seen with cars.
Even buses have managed to go fully electric now. It doesn't seem so much a question of engineering impossibility as much as of equitable implementation.
The future of motorcycling looks great. Endless roads of 20mph.
Thanks for the info, I have already canvassed the reps for the police & crime commissioner elections recently based on your requests for support…. However, what is it you want us to do with regard to the general election ? Can you please provide examples or instructions ! I’m a passionate rider and do not want my rights taken away but I need direction in order to provide support, not rhetoric or scaremongering !
The main parties need to lose seats to the common sense policy positions of Reform and Heritage party candidates.
That's the only thing that will register with them.
George Galloway's recent win being a case in point.
Rishi held a press conference over One seat!
A clear sign it rattled them 👍☺
I live in Australia. I have become aware of your concerns through this platform. I understand that as of 2040 (16 years from now) there will be a ban on the sale of new combustion motorcycles. With that amount of lead time manufacturers have plenty of time to develop alternative fuel sources (be they electric or some other source). According to stats that I've seen there are 1.6 million motorcycles registered in the UK and about 133K units were sold in 2023. If the proposed ban comes into force in 2040 (an it only applies to new bike sales) it would take at least 10 years before all combustion sales were replaced by electric bike sales (at the current annual sales rate and assuming that every combustion bike was replaced by an electric one). That is not to be complacent but it is to hope that whatever the policy is it is announced soon so that bike makers can get on with building the bikes of the future. I've never ridden an electric motorbike (there are very few models available in Australia) and by the time this policy (if it is to be the policy) comes into force at 71 years of age my riding (and probably my living) days will be over. What I hope happens in the UK is that a policy is announced so that the makers all have a direction to aim their R&D at and then bikes appear at affordable prices so that people who want to ride can continue to do so. In my own case I now ride a Spyder but I also have a Suzuki Burgman 650 scooter. O love both but feel a bit safer on the Spyder.
The child slave labour aspect of e's of any kind make them a complete no-go for me.
Plus, to mine and process all the rare earth's needed for batteries to replace all the existing internal combustion vehicles, at current rates of extraction, refining, etc, will take around nine Thousand years.
And they want it done by 2050-ish
P.s that's the more readily extractable materiel.
The tough stuff was in the 40k year bracket.
*eV's
I think while motorcycling is very important to all of us and our countries heritage, would it not be better to get a guarantee from a party for support possibly REFORM as Richard Tice has said he would back off the NET ZERO crap. If we split down the votes too much it means Labour would get in and Kier Starmer will go full speed on Net Zero, mass immigration and rejoining the EU. So more stupid European regulation on our way of life! Also if we rejoin the EU it will be digital ids and CBDCS all the way.
Tice backed taking the experimental jabs remember, he'll just be another puppet for the WEF, that's why I and many others don't trust him at all.
I agree with much of your comment.
West Midlands just had a police and crime commissioner election.
Only 21.7% of the electorate voted. Around a third of that, roughly 7% of the total available voters, chose the winning candidate.
The English Democrat candidate got 3.4%, or nearly half as many votes as the winner.
You only need 10-15% of the currently stay-at-home's to vote for the 'alternative' candidate and the 'main' parties will be floundering.
Go out and campaign for reform, heritage, whatever's in your area.
If the uniparty lose seats they will pay attention pretty fast.
George Galloway's recent win being a case in point. Rishi held a press conference over One seat!
A clear sign that it rattled them👍
@@kinkajoo73 The whole voting system is rigged, tick whatever box you want, they will make up the count.
Trump Vs Biden, Brazilian election and mayor of London. There's no way that Khan got the amount of votes needed, they made sure that he 'won' because he's on board with the big plan.
To keep traditional motorcycles alive you need younger people to take it up its not rocket science 😂
I can’t see them doing that. Why would they ?
Our government would do what the people want, not the other way round.
Its a company for profit and benefit of the few.
I don’t know how I feel about this video. I am a biker and have been since I was a teenager, now well into my 50s I enjoy it and want to continue doing it, but there is no doubt, for me, that the climate is changing and this change is man-made. Humanity, pumping carbon into the atmosphere, that was previously locked away, in my mind is the major contributor to this climate change. So, are we all doomed, because politicians should reflect the views and opinions of their constituents. But when those constituents, like bikers, want to continue burning fossil fuels and car users want to continue burning fossil fuels and the shipping & transport industry want to continue burning fossil fuels and manufacturing want to continue burning fossil fuels and travellers want to continue flying around the world, and politicians, reflecting all of our wishes, enact policies accordingly, we continue unchanged in the way we have been since the industrial revolution, in my view, we are dooming future generations and we may say so be it because that is democracy, but is it right?
And while I’m mounting ‘the soap-box’, I really don’t get the ‘Save The Planet’ slogan, the planet is going to be just fine - it’s what, 4 billion years old already? And during this time it has experienced hotter temperatures, and greater levels of Carbon in the atmosphere than we have now, and been peachy. No, the planet will likely continue for another 4 billion years or so, right up till the Sun expands and consumes it, no, it’s not the planet that needs saving, it’s life - plants and animals around today, that probably won’t be able to cope with the changing climate and die out, just like loads of species have died out in the past, this will probably include us if we go on as we are, but hell, we’ve been around less than a million years, a blink of an eye, relative to the planet, so does anyone really believe we’re e going to last for another 4 billion years? It’s not very likely, something is going to get us, why not let it be climate change, probably will take a while longer before effects really kick in to the point that we become extinct, well after all our lifetimes, so hell, why not just keep calm and carry on?
Don't fall for this carbon scam nonsense, climate change has been around since before man and hey, we're all still here and will be in thousands of years to come. The whole thing is nothing but an elaborate scam. Sadiq khan in the news today about to fly out to meet the Pope and talk about the ' climate emergency' yes that's right, fly out to meet him .Private jet no doubt.
You point out that CO2 levels have been higher, historically. Like, ten-fold higher.
So, if CO2, that we've released, is currently only a tenth of previous levels, and is also the primary driver of climate-change.......why didn't the climate cook all life on the planet when the CO2 Was ten Times higher than currently?
Why was there So much more plant and animal life roaming around while the levels were Five Times the current concentration?
Why are the 'surface' temperatures on every other planet in the solar system also changing if our CO2 output is what's changing our planet's surface temperature?
We, sure as hell, aren't leaking CO2 on Mars, Venus, and Mercury, or on the gas-giants which are also changing.
Here's a clue: it's the Sun that controls the climate.
CO2 concentration rise Follows surface temperature rise, because cold water can hold up to five times as much in solution as warm water.
You can be sure the ipcc knows this, full well 👍😉
@@kinkajoo73 I don’t think I’m disagreeing with you, scientists can pretty accurately assess previous levels of CO2 and sea temperatures from the past from deep ice cores from the poles and seeing whether sea snail like creatures shells went clockwise or anti-clockwise, and yes, the planet has been hotter than it is today and had higher levels of carbon in the atmosphere than we have today, these events took place a long long time ago in our planets history, and the planet was fine. Was there life on earth during these times, yes, but this life was not identical to life today, it was life forms - plants and animals that were adapted to that environment, when the environment changed, to something more like we have today, they died out or evolved, but the rate of change was very slow, giving time for evolutionary changes. The rate of change we see today - the acceleration of carbon in to the atmosphere, and the associated temperature rise, has never happened before. The change is taking place too quickly for evolution to be able to effectively adapt, so life on earth today will probably get to a point of extinction, the planet will keep turning and new life forms, suited to this new environment will take over, when / if this happens, I just don’t think it will include us or most of the plants or animals around us today. The dinosaurs had a good run, lasting for much longer than we’ve lasted, or are likely to last given the impact of climate change, so we die out, or vastly die back, as our environment and food sources will likely be radically different on earth. Regarding other planets - meh, not that bothered unless we could move there?
declining sales aging demographic, no spirit no voice goodbye
And where does the ‘electricity’ for EV come from… Wake up.
A mix of natural gas, wind, solar nuclear and a tiny bit of coal.
Employ an Editor - condense that to 60 seconds or less then more will watch it
ev market will collapse for sure.
Bikes are Culture, and Not Transport.
Fight your corner.
Speak for yourself. Haven't owned a car/van for 15 years+ 👍😉
Now what i really don;t understand is why people give their fully and unconditional vote to a politician. If you're not happy with any of the politicians, don't vote, for me that's easy. If any politician is mandating the EV car or motorcycle, that is a politician that doesn't get my vote at all. The government in any city or country, is only fully occupied with themselves. The people is only needed when the politicians need a vote and they will ask for it and even get it. I learned a long way ago, if you're not happy with something, are you going to pay for it? Are you going to buy it? In those cases it's a now, so why just do that when the politics want your vote? The EV part is mandated by people who the politicians want to have so they will do anything what the those people ask. So the politics push the EV through, even though more and more sales are dropping dramatically, companies are dropping the transition to EV. Just take my advise and #StopVoting
Nowbody will take our bikes away. But petroleum will disappear thats the problem. We cannot control that issue
It just seams to go on in the background behind closed doors.. you'd never know about it until it was too late..!?
Need to start an online gov petition .. ?
Far BIGGER issues than motorcycles
Why will you need a motorcycle in the 15 minute city ?
You are awake and have done some research, well done,....why can't everyone see this evil plan by now? That's what I don't get.
Nothing wrong with 15 min cities. Especially in parts of the world where the automobile/petroleum lobby has resulted in large zones meaning you more or less have to drive.
@@davecooper3238 you don't have a clue what your talking about. 15 minute cities/Smart cities are just the tip of what they want to force onto us
@@davecooper3238 You go and live in one then, most people value their freedom and choice.
@@steveclark.. I don’t live in a care home. I still own a bike. But unfortunately can’t ride it anymore.a combination of a gardening accident and an ABS problem which would apparently if I could find anyone to work on it cost more than it’s worth. That’s even using second hand part. It’s over ten years old so Honda no longer supply new.
Whoever they are, they can do one.
Not only that, my bike does 75mpg so should I drive around in my Diesel 2,5l Descovery.
How do we know what party to vote for
Going to give Reform a go. Will never vote Labour or Conservative again.
@@markhenry192will have to have a look at reform
Definitely Reform
I have emailed them to see what they plan to do about forced electrification of motorcycles
Reform or Heritage. Whichever's in your area.
Losing seats is the only thing the 'main' parties understand.
Bear in mind, something like 80% of the electorate Don't vote, and only about 7% vote the winning candidate in.
Get the stay-at-home voters out in any kind of numbers and voting for the alternative candidates and you will move the needle appreciably 👍☺
I am the Parliamentary Candidate for the Melksham and Devizes Constituency for Reform UK. I've been a biker for 40 years. Vote Reform - we will dump net zero, end the war on motorists and on bikers, get rid of 20mph speed limits, RPZs and Low Emissions Zones.
The EV proposals aren’t for another 11 years. The concerns that people have now won’t exist by then. That lady’s bike is not going to be banned as she suggests. Electrification is the future and is going to happen, and certainly isn’t the most pressing issue facing the country. Fully support improving the licensing rules as access and participation is the most important thing for the future of motorcycling.
It's only the future for now because people at the top are racking it in. That will all change when people hopefully wake up to what it takes to make these batteries
@@cryptohappy66 A statement dripping in ignorance. As if the “people at the top” don’t include fossil fuel lobbyists. EV is less awful than ICE for the environment. For the hard of understanding, that’s not me saying that EV are problem free.
It's categorically not in my hands, and not in yours either.
They'll do what they want. They always have.
The ruling class are not beholden to anything, let alone us plebs.
You'll own nothing and be happy
How original!
A lot of us already own nothing and aren't having children either.
@@trevorphillips3055comment deleted because I'm not allowed to say what I want to say. That should tell you everything. I'll just leave this here instead
4% - the amount of the planet's CO2 emissions created by human activity.
1% - the amount of the 4% the UK contributes, so 0.04% of planetary emmissions
28% - the amount of the 0.04% of planetary CO2 emmisons caused by UK domestic transport, so 0.0112%
0.5% - the amount of the 0.0112% caused by motorbikes, so 0.000056%.
In other words, thanks to any future ban on ICE motorbikes in the UK, planetary CO2 emissions will plummet by a whopping 0.000056%
UK achieves nothing other than virtue signalling
@@cryptohappy66 yep, I fully agree with you. It's utter bs. I'm just fed up with seeing "you'll own nothing and be happy" being used.
If you are on the Electoral Register & you write to/email your MP using you name & address they are LEGALLY required to answer. Comments saying I wrote/emailed & did not receive a response should possibly be treated with a pinch of salt.
Except it actually happens
It has just be announced that petrol powered motorcycles are banned in 2040 if something isn't done now the end of motorcycling
In the UK will come long before that scare mongering maybe but what have any government done for us in the past bugger all only make things harder for people to get on a bike can't see that changing can anyone
Only if they start losing seats to the common sense policies of Reform and Heritage party candidates.
Reckon that's our bet, currently. Throw the main parties out of office.
It's the only thing they'll understand 👍☺
@kinkajoo73 hi thanks for reply totally agree the main party's need to be tought they work for us and the country not us for them
same people win no matter who gets elected
EV cars are have falling sales,expensive batteries,expensive insurance/repair costs.
Well I won’t be voting Tory , won’t be labour , so who the hell does vote for
Don’t really think it’ll make a difference? None of the above comes to mind, sad state of affairs
Vote Reform
You have to pick one, cant be sitting on the fence
@@steve00alt70 never voted for Tory in my life that leaves labour , not voting for their woke eco nonsense
As the way we vote in this country, you haven't got a hope in hell!
"Nice Employer Limited"...
Great work MAG! Really showed true colours.
Your problem is?
lots of biker who are voters ,
If you vote Labour or Conservative you’re voting for electric only motorbikes. Make your choice and don’t whinge.
I'm voting Reform what's their view on bikes
Reform PLC.
If you’re voting Reform you’re voting for hot air. It doesn’t matter what they say their words are simply click bait for fools like you.
Vote Selina
I worked for them for 3 years- they don't give a monkeys and never will (sorry to be a downer).
It's clear that the whole voting system is rigged now, they are all puppets for the WEF.
We can't 'vote' our way out of their plan, non compliance and action is needed.
Motor cyclists and the industry that support them are too small to matter to the eco zealots. While the CO2 impact of motorcycles is insignificant, politicians and government officials all parties will climb over each other to show their virtue by throwing anything they can at persecuting the green agenda, regardless of how little impact it might have or the destruction visited on a sub set of the motoring community.
MAG please stop beating around the bush. I am not versed as much in UK political arena but what you are saying is Reform UK.
I think that we all know that, with the lack of engagement of the majority of the electorate, we will get a labour government that will collapse in disarray within a couple of years and a period of open civil war will follow. Good time to take on a long round the world trip to miss out on all the unpleasantness 😂
Oh dear, you’ve fallen for the right wing hype, yet another fool who is keen to help Farage and Co win the race to the bottom.
They don't know and they don't care, and they never will.
Now that younger guys are too scared of bikes, see them as being dangerous and cold, it's purposefully made harder and harder to pass your bike test, people are totally pussified and scared to speak up, the nonsense that "speed kills" being believed, less people interested in passing their bike test and so on, biking is dying.
You'd need to get thousands of bikers up and down the country to protest every month for years to even begin to make a difference.
Good luck with that now, more chance of me pulling Margot Robbie.
I love motorcycling but honestly I think there are far more serious issues facing our country such as mass immigration and the ever encroaching Islamification of our country.
Looks like it’s too late to see that clock turn back 🤷🏻♂️
@@mikeyyoyo6464 I think you are right.
All part and parcel of the same problem.
'They' won't change course until they experience real, material losses. i.e power and position .
Get your local Reform, or Heritage party candidates in office in Any kind of numbers and just watch the 'major' parties fall over themselves to adopt those policies👍
@@kinkajoo73 That's a very good point. Planning on voting Reform, more because I will never vote Lab/Con again and don't want to waste my vote rather than their policies which seem a little weak to me.
Yawn yawn yawn. Motorcycling is not under threat, it’s just going to enter a new and exciting phase. And it’s not like existing ICE bikes are going to be banned anytime soon. And before people gob off at me I can say that I have over 40 years of motorcycling experience. Until recently I had a VMAX 1700, Moto Guzzi Griso 1200 and two Benelli 900 Seis. I also build and customise bikes for a hobby. BUT HERE’S THE BIG THING, I just traded my VMAX in for a ZERO SR/S electric rocket ship. And it’s the best motorbike I’ve ever ridden. If this is the future of motorcycling then so what. To me it’s still motorcycling, but it has an extra dimension to it. It’s utterly exhilarating and tremendous fun, and a completely different sensory experience. Don’t knock it until you try it!
Make sure you blame the EU for everything
You have just given me a good reason not to support MAG. It’s just an anti EV forum. Promote motorcycling regardless of how they are powered.
I don't think petrol bikes should be banned but people dismiss EVs before they have even tried them. I've driven dozens of electric cars and a couple of electric bikes and some of them are amazing. Sure the range on the bikes isn't there yet, which is why I haven't bought one, but I have no doubt there will be plenty of options available by the time I am "forced" to buy one (if ever that happens)
Going to the government and just saying you want to keep your loud, polluting toys because reasons isn't going to get you very far.
Why don't MAG focus their efforts more on the real reasons why motorcycling is in decline which is the high cost of entry for getting a license and the ridiculous insurance costs?
Fack electrice motorcycles. They have no soul
You have an EV if you want, let us have the freedom and choice to have a loud and polluting proper motorcycle too.
I started riding in the 80's, still love my 2 stroke motorcycle, I have ZERO interest in this battery crap that's being pushed.
@@steveclark.. that's cool. I had a two stroke as well and loved it (when it worked) but sales of 2-strokes have effectively been banned for over 20 years and you can still ride yours. Nothing has been proposed to remove older vehicles off the road that I know of
Well said. This MAG shit show shows motorcyclists in a bad light. Negative, unimaginative, uneducated old fools. I’m not in that camp, MAG are not representing me.
@@steveclark..I’ve never seen anything true suggesting that ICE bikes will be removed from the roads.
So, who do we vote for? There is nobody in government that gives a toss!
Motorcycling is as dead as the Dodo
3,500 riders attending the Ride for Life, meeting might disagree, and I believed they raised £20k for the Air Ambulance to boot.
Not in my world.
It’s not dead yet