Testing KONI's Active Suspension | Review
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- #KONIShocks stopped by Steeda on their Activate the Nation Tour and man were we impressed! KONI's new Active Suspension technology is extremely impressive. Built as an alternative to Ford's new MagneRide suspension option, the difference between the KONI Active and the OE suspension was night and day. In this video, Dario Orlando, President of Steeda, and Allen Briere of KONI North America compare the two and discuss this new technology.
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I test drove both of these S550's and it made a big difference!! It was at least a 50% or better change in ride and handling
Agreed! It's an extremely impressive system!
I drove two yesterday, and I can't overstate how much it had transformed the car!
@@steedaautosports will these work well with Steeda Sports on a 2014 mustang?
Does this Mustang have lowering springs?
I put some on my 2005 BMW X3 with some Eibach Springs and I love it.
I’m glad he referred to them as “dampers” and not shock absorbers. The use of the term “shock absorber” to describe dampers is the greatest misnomer in automotive terminology. The spring is the suspension component that absorbs shock. In other words the spring is THE shock absorber. The device for controlling the spring oscillation is the “damper”. Get it? GOOD!
If you are looking it like that, nothing is absorbing the shock. The shock is a force, and energy is not lost. In both cases, the energy from the shock is stored as energy in both the spring and the "shock" itself. The potential energy is stored as a result of deformation in the spring, and the sping will kick it straight back, the "shock absorber" is the one that makes the deformation of the spring smooth.
The shock is absorbed by making kinetic energy into heat, i.e movement to heat. The shock and control of the movements as a result of the shock/reactions and counter reactions following the shock, is done by the combination of damper and spring. A spring and damper can be constructed in many different ways.
The spring isn´t the only part that absorbs the shock, as the damper also absorbs shock trough its low speed or high speed movements (depending on frequenzy or abruptness of the shock).
Even without a spring the damper would still absorb shock, tough obviously not optimally.
3:02 koni, 3:43 oem
I understand this improves the level of comfort, but does this improve performance as well? ie tighter feel and better ground control during acceleration, braking, and turning.
Definitely. Switching between the cars the original felt twitchy and nervous, while the Koni felt really fluid and controlled. I can't overstate how much they transform the car. The difference in confidence was huge and much more so again when on bumpy roads. The brilliant thing about this technology was how they managed to gain so much more comfort while actually improving the car's handling and control. The intrusion of bumps ruined the experience on the standard car; with the Koni's you have a better feel for the car and what the chassis was doing because you aren't being jarred by every minor bump. It communicated the road conditions and retained a firmness to the car while no longer being harsh or jarring. The car felt flatter, more controlled, smoother, more comfortable, and was safer, faster, and much more enjoyable to drive at any speed. Every metric of what dampers can affect in a car was improved.
My 2 cents on the matter is that if your dampers (Shocks) have more dampening than the Konie's then no, they wont improve your body roll or handling on a smooth surface (i.e. Track). However; If you think of the road as a SIN wave or frequency these shocks can adjust to various Hz's (i.e various road conditions). How does this translate to driving? well, it is my opinion that a lot of cars with sifter coil overs or aftermarket suspensions are over dampened making cars over react to imperfections in the road and sometimes decreasing the contact patch between the tire and road, they also have only one Ideal dampening frequency which trips Dampers (shocks) up when they encounter continuous imperfections. This is why people report an increase in driver confidence when installing these dampers (shocks), the car will be better planted over a wider range of conditions. That being said it is also possible that the Koni actives have more dampening at their max stiffness setting than what you're currently running, which will increase your performance on smooth surfaces. Just remember the real world isn't smooth.
is this compared to the magna rided, or just the stock suspension?
just bought these for my MK6 golf, cant wait to install them
Have you fitted these yet? If so, could you tell me what they are like please?
I find the ride to stiff on my Mk4 Focus ST, and am considering these
@@mad4tar77 I haven't had these put on yet. Super excited. I'll try to remember to let you know how they ride.
MayaFizzle please send update. Just bought them today
@@rosesbite did you slap them on?
provide update or why bother posting in first place...
Hi all, really interested to know if these dampers will help the harsh ride in my 2018 VW golf estate. It has no DCC but is fine on smooth roads, when the roads aren’t (which is most of them near me in the UK) the ride kicks the hell out of me.
Will these help with this. I’d love to hear from someone with the same car or perhaps an Audi A3/A4, as I’m concerned it’s going to kill the sport feel of the car... wish there was a way to trial them.
Thanks
I put them on my mk7 golf alltrack together with Golf R variant springs (and TT spacers). Car feels amazing now. Check out the vwvortex subform for the mk7 sportwagen for details.
Nice . Need to see if it gets better times on a road course.
Definitely better than the OE!
So is this for non magna ride cars?
Correct, Chad!
Nice. I have the Pro Action shocks at the moment on my S550 plus the Steeda progressive springs, love the look, but for Chicago roads its a little stiff. Can I use the springs with the active dampers as well? Is there a way to adjust the dampers or are they doing this autmatically?
Yes, you can use the Koni Active with the Steeda Progressive springs and it will give a great ride. They are automatically adjusting with the way they're built. It's not manually adjustable
@@steedaautosports Köni itself insists that these Special Active dampers are designed to be used with OEM springs and not with lowering springs. So, are you sure about this?
@@gokceaydin3324 I've seen plenty of folks running Koni Special Active and lowering springs with no issue. They can accommodate a mild drop no problem. As long as you're not slamming it or going reallly low you'll be fine
@@GTAEmergencyVideographydo you think running these with eibach sportlines will be fine? 🤔
i have 2009 BMW 335i sedan and looking into this special active konis with eibach pro springs kit, would it make ride stiff or comfy, i know fsd made ride comfy.
Anyone any input on my above comments?
@@pasttraveller5767 supposedly comfy, it goes stiff when the bumps are at less then 10hz, so high impact are high damping (like with hard turning), low impact but high frequency are low damping (like with a really bumpy road) so it starts floating
@@THEedcbb3 what would this do with a high impact at high speed, for example, a sharp bump at high speed, will it float or will it try to crush your spine?
@@mad4tar77 I'm guessing itll try to pull your spine out through your ass. But even at max rebound it's still not super stiff, so probably wouldn't be as floaty as OEM, but wouldn't hit you as much as race spec coilovers
@@mad4tar77 actually had a quick look at their website, they're less stiff than Koni streets, so don't think it turn your pelvis into powder, but probably still enough to prolapse your sacred bagel and then give you some sloppy heading around a corner
When will this system be available for sale ?
Hi Billy, we haven't been given an exact release date, but it will be available this fall!
Yes please !!!
Do these system exist also for my Hyundai I30 (2019)?thanx in advance
gixxerboy555 yes
What kind of drop does the system give the car?
No drop, unless you go with lowering springs.
Not designed for lower than oem ride height, they are position sensitive due to the bypass channels in ride zone. Thats what gives the ride comfort. As it compresses it closed off the bypass channels and forces it through the piston. Thats the magic of this design. Small bump compliance without harsh dampening like sport tuned dampers.
still not available ???
How about on winter weather?
Will definitely be safer with the Koni Active shocks
Can that system help at the 1/4 track ?
It's not manually adjustable, so you could get more suitable setups than the Koni Active
Do these work on the s197s ?
Yes they do, Koni has rear shocks for the S197 you can find here -> www.steeda.com/koni-8245-1405-s197-special-active-shock There are also front struts on our site depending on if you have an 05-10 or 11-14.
@@steedaautosports thanks so much. My goal is better comfort but I’m apprehensive because I don’t wanna end up with a stiff bone shaking ride. I’ve had koni yellows with lowering springs before and it was way too harsh even when adjusted to max compliance
Wasted close to a grand on these with fitting and ruined the feel of my car now. My golf is bouncy and jittery with bumps and feels unsettled, best way to describe it. Standard springs, '16 golf gti, tried with different tyres, aligned properly etc etc etc. Hate driving my car now, feels off, dampers are too soft for the standard springs - hilarious as they are meant to compliment standard springs for a so called better ride. Do I spend a fortune to fix it or part exchange it now, impossible when most garages are shut around me. Advice to anyone is stick with Bilstein b6's or such.
Wow that sucks! I read great things about the Koni Red + Eibach Prokit springs combo for the Mazda3, so I went ahead and bought it and going to install it Spring. Maybe get stiffer springs for your Golf? I know you'll be spending more money so it's up to you. Best reccomendation I can make
@@GTAEmergencyVideographywhat s the outcome?
I have a 2007 Mustang GT. Does KONI have an active suspension for my car?
They will! Expect more news this fall.
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