Excellent Video. Always enjoy watching your content. Today I had an iron fitting. I primarily hit the Mizuno 243, Titleist T100/150's, and Srixon zx7s. The 243's were by far the best. They felt amazing and the dispersion was tight. The Srixon zx7's were a close second, but the thinner top-line aesthetic and the feel of the 243's were fantastic: buttery soft. The t150's were also great, however, they felt and sounded 'Clicky' in comparison with the 243's. I only have one concern and it's related to fitting. I'm 6'2" with a wrist to floor measurement of 37" (with shoes on). Mizuno irons standard lie angle is flatter by a couple degrees than the other manufactures. Therefore, I'm concerned that even if I get them 2 degrees upright they will still be too flat. Other than the lie angle concern, I'm sold. In the fitting I was hitting the Stiff flex $ taper shaft in only 1/4" longer with the club head 2 degrees upright. to my surprise, I was still hitting baby draws. I need to do one more fitting before I pull the trigger on ordering the 243's to decide the proper shaft length and address my lie angle concerns. Cheers!
They are incredibly good. I’ve got the mp225 3 to 6 iron and the MP221 7 to pw, lofts slightly adjusted. Wow what feel these clubs have and forgiveness and power. The blade is just as forgiving as the 225 you know. Any hcp can game them. They’re so good.
@@kirkshammett94 awesome aren’t they. I actually wish I got the full set of the 243 or 241. Stunning feel. When I switched to mizuno I was like wow. These things are built different. The feel omg. It’s true what they say. Nothing beats the feel of a mizuno. That forged feel. Best irons you can get this range.
243 PW is 2 degrees stronger in loft at 44 degrees. The 223 has a more traditional PW loft of 46 degrees, that would explain a portion of the distance/spin gap. But the 243 and 223 have the same lofts in 7 iron and 5 iron so that would just be the new "tech".
I got an odd combo set of 241 in PW-7 and 245 in 7-5. Yep, that's two 7 irons! But the gapping works out. The 241s did surprise me with their distance - about 5-7 yards longer than other blades I've played at the same lofts. They still spin plenty, but it doesn't surprise me to see that you guys found the spin rates down a bit with 241. They just go!
What an amazing video I absolutely love the detail the thoughtfulness of every aspect of the fitting from the 22 ones all way through to the 24 fives the differences, the sound characteristics the playability of it love, Mizuno
Got the 243s back in Feb playing off 9. Unreal feeling club and very forgiving. I just need to learn to compress my longer irons more to get the distance. Hot Metal Pros just gave you distance. These need you to compress properly on the 5 and 6. What a club though!
Had exactly the same problem with the MP18 MMCs, and really did not like the shape of the wedge. It has taken Mizuno quite a time to address this issue (three generations), but the 243s should be great now, if it really is fixed...
Great vid as usual boys. I have a suggestion when it comes to iron testing, and these new Mizzy's are a great example. When testing different irons, I think you should test all 3 of the same clubs together. By that I mean test the PW of the 241's, 243's and 245's back to back. Then test all the 7 irons back to back, then the 4 irons, etc... I think this would be better for direct comparisons. When you go from the 241 4 iron to the 243 PW, you have to remember what the 241 PW felt like 3 clubs and 20 swings ago. It would be more like a driver vs driver comparison, and you get direct back to back feedback between clubs Just a thought, keep it up boys! 🙌🏼
Nice recap video. I had the same experience as Ian with the 223's - though I play with significantly slower swing speed. I found that the low irons/wedges could not keep up with the mid and long irons. I even tried bending the lofts stronger to compensate but not happy with the results. I replaced the PW and 9 iron with the 243's and have been very happy so far.
I’m gaming the new 245s and absolutely loving it. See my scores come down and have placed in 2 competitions. They are very forgiving of a thinned shot. You don’t really need to blend the set as the set is already a blend of blades and hollow body. The 5 iron is my new favorite club.
I can confirm that the 245's are amazing! I have higher swing speeds and good enough ball striking to be able to play the 241's, but I find that having a club as forgiving and "care free" as the 245 makes playing the game of golf much more enjoyable. I think the 245's are the best "all-around" irons on the market right now with their ability to combine performance, looks, forgiveness, availablity, and fitting options.
Thanks for info. as I'm making swing change from way too steep, I'm now hitting plenty thin. Better than fat, but my old cavity back Mizuno JPX 800 Pro irons are quite punishing of that miss.
@@jayfangRSA my Mizuno journey started with the JPX850. Moved on to the JPX TOURS. I’m trying to hit more down on the ball but during a round and during fitting the 945 we’re very forgiving of a thinned shot which is my miss. Must be the extra tungsten. Would recommend them and they go further. A win win for me. Best of luck. Give them a try. I’d say you’ll be very satisfied with the performance.
I just got my 221 Pros to the course for the first time. I bought them as demo clubs on black friday. They were brand new. So happy with them. I can't imagine the new ones are better, honestly.
Just got fitted for the 245 and should arrive in a few week. I was very impressed. I started my golf journey about a year in my 37 yrs old. Made the mistake of buying a complete set from Callaway (XR series) with graphite shafts. I definitively learned. But the C7 swing weight and the reg flex, is not helping. I hit my current 7 iron about 145-150 yrds, and in the fitting I smoked the 245 7 iron to 168 yrds with no effort. Looking forward to lower my HCP from 31 to closest to 18 I can! Thanks for the content, love to watch Mr. Frys tunneling the ball all the time and Mike fancy way of describing all you share! Would be very nice to play some golf with you all!🏌️♂️
Gents love the content. Minor ask… When you go from one club to the next could you show an image of the club you are about to swing? It would make it much clearer for the viewer
Have fitting booked next week to try out these irons, looking forward to it. Currently playing the Srixon previous gen ZX7 and I have a set of MP64 that I like to practice with. Looking for something with a little more pop. Hoping the 245's do it!
Got fit for the 225’s by Dean at the Mississauga TXG with Accra iTour 110. Best irons I’ve ever played long, forgiving and beautiful. Hit the 245’s and they addressed on potential issue with a slightly higher spin rate more forgiveness in a smaller package. Well done Mizuno
This came out at the right time. I'm researching Mizuno irons for a trip in September when I get the opportunity to play with Vosh. Very helpful information.
I’ve dabbled with Mizuno irons the last few years. Played a short stint with the 225 and eventually moved into the JPX923 HMP. Great iron but didn’t have that same level of refinement and too hot for what I needed. I’m now in the 245 and I have to say Mizuno absolutely nailed this iron. Plenty of forgiveness with amazing looks and performance. I would almost slot this iron in between a Titleist T200 and T150 in terms of performance with better looks and feel.
I have them too, and I’ve been researching irons for the past two years. I’m so hesitant to give them up because they feel like butter. However, they’re getting pretty old at this point so I feel like an upgrade is warranted and looking forward to a new set which will probably be Mizuno.
Absolutely love my 243s coming from 2019 Apex's. I wasn't sure if I could game them as a 10hcp but was fit into them and they've been amazing, more forgiving than I anticipated.
Love my 225's. I've tried the 245's and they are even better but haven't tried the 243's yet. Waiting to see if there is a blacked out model and then could be tempted to upgrade!
The 223 and 243 performed identical for me. My distance gaps were consistent with the 223 and the Modus 115 shaft. I did hit the 243 since it is the latest version but there wasn’t anything between them to buy the new version. I ended up saving $500 going with a new set of 223 with my local shop running a sale and the irons being marked down as it is. I may revisit the 243 in the future but Mizuno will be in the bag either way.
243 is the best golf club this side of a blade. Thin top line, forgiving sole, big sweet spot, impeccable sound and feel, clean design and very precise details. I'm anywhere between 9.8 and 14 because of an injury and have no fear looking down at this beauty. I play Steelfiber i95s, ball flight is high and easy with a Pro V1.
Great comparison. I have 223s and need a 2nd set as have a home club in England as well as N Ireland. Was going to just get 223s if i could find a way to build them the same as current set but will try the 245s to see how they match up.
Can’t discount that the PW for the 243s is 2 degrees stronger than the 223s. I think the lofts across the board are stronger for the 243s. That should account for the majority of the speed gain.
I just traded in the 223's for the exact reason Ian mentioned. I thought it was just me, but the short irons just seemed dead compared to the rest. If they were all as good as 5,6,7, they would have been killer!!
I have the 223. I will also confirm that my numbers with 7-4 were pretty on par (maybe slightly short now, need to check the lofts to make sure they didn’t weaken)… the 9 and PW have a noticeable decrease in distance. It’s very odd. Besides that, the clubs genuinely feel great. That 4 iron is soft as butter and gives the right amount of help. If you get fit for mizuno, use their iron shaft fitting gadget. You take like 10 swings and it will tell you the top 3 irons shafts to use based on HOW you swing/load the club. It’s not garbage either, it narrows down the guesswork of traditional fitting. I think it’s called the Swing Optimizer or something.
I started with the 225 when they came out, but the long left miss was just too much. So I switched to the 223 to calm the left miss, but as you said something weird between 8i and 7i and couldn’t get comfortable. I switched to t150s and was pretty happy but more recently playing Edel sms and sms pro combo set and I am really enjoying them. May swing back around and test out the mizuno pro line again, but may be a while.
I want to move into the 245s. But I’m hesitant because I’m afraid they’re almost TOO hot. Is that possible?? I play my current set 7i to 185. But when I’ve hit the 245s at my local shop, I’m seeing about 10 more yards and hitting the 7i (245 model) about 195. Is there such thing as too long? For reference loft is only 1° stronger in the Mizunos. My concern is with gapping on the bottom end of the set.
Great video lads! I tried the new 243s and they were great..then hit the 245s and they were even better! The soft feeling and sound were superb on both sets..perhaps it’s time to retire my old MP54s and get into one of these..245s will probably be the one! Play off 8. atm. How would these Mizuno sets compare to Miura? 243 / 245 vs 302 perhaps? Look fws to a video guys!
Recently got the 243s with MMT 105s. Ive played Aerotech FC115s for years. For some reason they dont go any further and often shorter than my old T100s despite being 2* stronger through the bag. I think its got to be the shaft and me not fitting well because they feel incredible.
I recently swapped from a set of T100’s to a full set of 221’s. When i played the T100 I honestly thought i was striking the ball well. After I switched to the 221, I couldn’t hit the face for the life of me. I changed the shafts and the grips thinking it was a swing weight issue. Turns out it was just shit swing. I got a lesson and spent the next 2 months grinding on the range with the 221’s. Now i know what it feels like to flush the ball and I don’t think i would have progressed to where im at now, had i kept playing the T100’s. Just my opinion but i think a lot of golfers would benefit from at least practicing with a blade so they know what a flusher should feel like. No band aids
I own the 223's and the one thing I've always had issues with is the turf interaction, they seem to like to get slowed down and stuck in the turf. 243's might be what I need. Edit: 22:40 What in the wild world of ball speeds... No wonder I've had so many issues with my 223 short irons.
Ian commented that on the 245 7i it was lower spin than the 225 7i, and could be changed with a ball change. Wondering what you think you'd change to, V1X?
The only thing I don’t like about this video is now I have to trade my 225s for 245s. Thanks! Joking aside, I noticed the drop off in PW and GW from 9 in my 225 set. Thought I was crazy.
Wouldn’t changing the ball to add spin to irons adversely affect potentially your driver? Spin numbers on 245 seemed pretty low. Would like to see 225/245 tested at a slightly lower swing speed.
Can you share more details on what you experienced with gapping issues in the higher lofted irons in the Pro 223? My swing speed is about 10 mph slower than yours and I'm curious if you can quantify the distance gap problem you had between the PW, 9, 8, 7 irons. I've heard rumblings about this problem but can't find anything quantitative that helps me understand how big of a problem this could be for me. Pro 223 sets are pretty attractive on the used market these days.
Ian mentioned 223 PW going 130, and 7i 180 for him - which would leave over 15 yards per club gapping. I’m a bit slower than Ian and game 223’s bent 1* strong - I’d say I see the biggest gap PW>9i, being 128>144 roughly for me. Then 156 8i, and 168 7i. I clear 130 easily with the new 243 PW, although I still prefer my 223’s from 8i and longer
@@CheezMaster333 Thanks for the additional detail. My swing speed is slower than yours so those distance gaps get even smaller for me. I think the 5 degree gaps should be fine for me, and perhaps ideal, in the higher lofted irons. I can de-loft and add some oomph to get my 8 iron 150 but it's really and easy 135 or 140 yard club for me. 115 PW and 125 9 iron fit in just fine. I don't think I want my gap wedge to be any stronger than 50 degrees since I play only a single specialty wedge at 56 degrees. Seems like the gapping problem that Ian found for him isn't going to be an issue for me.
I picked up a 225 3i, and honestly idk why mizuno or anyone makes a driving iron - it looks great, feels great, flights up and down easily. Easily looks better than most driving irons which usually have fat backends and lots of offset - the thing is a weapon
I am due a new set of irons. I am 80% keen on Mizuno. I am a mid to high handicap player. I strike the ball well (good contact), but not always in the middle. I also don't like a big top line like some of the game improvement irons. These Pro 245s look awesome. Which of the Pro 245 vs 923 Forged vs 923 HM Pro are the most forgiving for off centre strikes?
i have a set of 225s and its been pretty good for 2 yrs, I'm just wondering if it's possible to blend a set of 456 iron in 225 and 789 in 221, since the loft is different for these two models, dont know how it's gonna work, need some advices. cheers
Carrying 2x 7 irons lines up perfectly - 5-7 225, and 7-PW in 221. No one needs a 21* 4 iron (even Ian left it out in this round, even though TXG always used to test 4/7/PW 😅)
I tried the 243s in my fitting and loved the look and feel of them but the sole didn't suit me (currently using MP60s from way back) and my swing at the moment. Can't beat a set of Mizunos really, just got a bad swing at the moment.
@@ArmyGolfBC I have owned both and there's very little difference. The feel of the 245s is slightly duller (not really "softer" just a touch quieter, really) but I didn't seen any distance difference on the course. The 225s are fantastic irons, and the 245s are just a small evolution. 👍
My ideal lie angle is 64.25 upright, Mizuno start at 61.5. I've heard Chris (Mizuno) say they can be special ordered at 2 degrees upright and then bent a further 2 from there. I emailed Mizuno Europe Customer service and they just copy pasted the web site back to me saying a max of 2 degrees up to 63.5. Do/can you guys (CC) bend them further.
Went from MP-18 mmc to 245. Getting older and needed a little juice! There’s not a better combination of looks and forgiveness out there. Single digit hcp but why not have the extra help?!
I went from an old set of AP2's (best irons I have ever owned) to Pro 225. Getting old after 7 iron distances drop off. I live in Thailand and they will not combo a set here (except Titleist) or I would have picked up Srixon 7 and 5 combo set. You can custom order Titleist so next set will be T150 -T200 split set. The problem with Pro 225 is distance control, flush one and it's way over the green. They look and feel of the 225 is great. I don't dislike them but next set will be a combo set.
Stop making such a big deal about blades. If you like hitting them and they feel nice , just play them. Most people surprise themselves by how well the can hit blades because they buy into the fear mongering.
@@stuboy13 absolutely agree, thick soles are terrible for me, had a set of jpx 900s several yrs ago and currently playing better w/243s. Had other game improvement type irons too, HMBs, Rogue STs, but as long as you have the speed to elevate the ball play what you like. Better to miss short than long anyways!
It’s funny how much hate they get, are they unforgiving yes but so are all golf clubs…. If you’re missing the grooves or chunking 5 inches behind the ball no iron is going to be forgiving enough. What it really comes down to is swing speed and turf interaction. I’m average on a good day and I play considerably better with slimmer irons than big chunky ones.
@@TRIKushbeachsidegolfers with +110mph swing speeds and near perfect turf interaction shouldn't be playing blades if they aren't great ball strikers. Inconsistent ego swinging. Nothing to do with swing speed or turf interaction.
Scratch - the blades play to weak had a 23 yard gap great smash good spin between 7i 221 and 6i 223 Hate bending irons I see the blades look a little hotter might change up 221’s for 241’s pw - 7i
Every time Ian “I shouldn’t play blades”… Every time you put a skinny sole forward cg iron in his hand flushes them all. I get his comments but I don’t he’s a better ball striker then I am and I’m very similar hit smaller soles and spin blades in a better window. Went to z forged ii and my strokes gained approach improved vastly. I would love to see Ian do a video on course comparing a blade to a non blade and compare strokes gained over like 5 rounds. Come on Ian make that happen.
I Second that. I had a hollow body "speed foam" iron and hit a combo set bladed 8 iron just to test a heavier stiffer shaft - ended up flushing the irons better than ever before. Go figure. From Rsi2 to Titleist 735 cm... Would love to see Ian test and compare over a few rounds.
The 223s were designed as a combo set for people who wanted to play that style but were losing speed. So for fast speed players yes the 46 PW doesn’t keep up with the 32 7i. But for people like me losing speed they gap fine. For fast swingers then yes some may experience too big a gap between 7i and PW. With the 243s you’re just getting a 2 degree stronger PW at 44 so it’s going to be longer.
I’m getting fit up on the 225 next week. Been playing Mizuno for 20 years and love them
Excellent Video. Always enjoy watching your content. Today I had an iron fitting. I primarily hit the Mizuno 243, Titleist T100/150's, and Srixon zx7s. The 243's were by far the best. They felt amazing and the dispersion was tight. The Srixon zx7's were a close second, but the thinner top-line aesthetic and the feel of the 243's were fantastic: buttery soft. The t150's were also great, however, they felt and sounded 'Clicky' in comparison with the 243's. I only have one concern and it's related to fitting. I'm 6'2" with a wrist to floor measurement of 37" (with shoes on). Mizuno irons standard lie angle is flatter by a couple degrees than the other manufactures. Therefore, I'm concerned that even if I get them 2 degrees upright they will still be too flat. Other than the lie angle concern, I'm sold. In the fitting I was hitting the Stiff flex $ taper shaft in only 1/4" longer with the club head 2 degrees upright. to my surprise, I was still hitting baby draws. I need to do one more fitting before I pull the trigger on ordering the 243's to decide the proper shaft length and address my lie angle concerns. Cheers!
I got the 245’s about a month ago. Best irons I’ve ever used and they look amazing
They are incredibly good. I’ve got the mp225 3 to 6 iron and the MP221 7 to pw, lofts slightly adjusted. Wow what feel these clubs have and forgiveness and power. The blade is just as forgiving as the 225 you know. Any hcp can game them. They’re so good.
@ I recently switched to the 243 and they are amazing
@@kirkshammett94 awesome aren’t they. I actually wish I got the full set of the 243 or 241. Stunning feel. When I switched to mizuno I was like wow. These things are built different. The feel omg. It’s true what they say. Nothing beats the feel of a mizuno. That forged feel. Best irons you can get this range.
@@2sqnbandit379 I’ve tried every other iron on the market, and nothing beats the feel of the Mizuno.
243 PW is 2 degrees stronger in loft at 44 degrees. The 223 has a more traditional PW loft of 46 degrees, that would explain a portion of the distance/spin gap. But the 243 and 223 have the same lofts in 7 iron and 5 iron so that would just be the new "tech".
Exactly this. So I bent my PW to 44 and 9i to 40 and it fixed the gapping problems that mizuno has with the low irons.
I got an odd combo set of 241 in PW-7 and 245 in 7-5. Yep, that's two 7 irons! But the gapping works out. The 241s did surprise me with their distance - about 5-7 yards longer than other blades I've played at the same lofts. They still spin plenty, but it doesn't surprise me to see that you guys found the spin rates down a bit with 241. They just go!
Loved seeing you do a comparison against the older models within a family
Would love to see a 2022 vs 2024 Fli-hi comparison
This!!! 💯
100% 🙏
I totally get it, Ian. After every video I end up wanting a different club/set. I feel your pain now haha
What an amazing video I absolutely love the detail the thoughtfulness of every aspect of the fitting from the 22 ones all way through to the 24 fives the differences, the sound characteristics the playability of it love, Mizuno
Mike fit me for the Mizuno 223s. Love them
I've been waiting for this video! Great job!
Thank you!! 🙏🏼
Got the 243s back in Feb playing off 9. Unreal feeling club and very forgiving. I just need to learn to compress my longer irons more to get the distance. Hot Metal Pros just gave you distance. These need you to compress properly on the 5 and 6.
What a club though!
Would love to see more up close visuals the heads in videos like this gents!
Been playing 223s for two years now and glad I’m not the only one who had a weird gapping issue in the short irons!
Had exactly the same problem with the MP18 MMCs, and really did not like the shape of the wedge. It has taken Mizuno quite a time to address this issue (three generations), but the 243s should be great now, if it really is fixed...
I just bent my pw to a 44 from 46 and the 9 to a 40 from 41 and it solved all my gapping issues. Easy fix really.
Great vid as usual boys. I have a suggestion when it comes to iron testing, and these new Mizzy's are a great example.
When testing different irons, I think you should test all 3 of the same clubs together. By that I mean test the PW of the 241's, 243's and 245's back to back. Then test all the 7 irons back to back, then the 4 irons, etc...
I think this would be better for direct comparisons. When you go from the 241 4 iron to the 243 PW, you have to remember what the 241 PW felt like 3 clubs and 20 swings ago.
It would be more like a driver vs driver comparison, and you get direct back to back feedback between clubs
Just a thought, keep it up boys! 🙌🏼
Nice recap video. I had the same experience as Ian with the 223's - though I play with significantly slower swing speed. I found that the low irons/wedges could not keep up with the mid and long irons. I even tried bending the lofts stronger to compensate but not happy with the results. I replaced the PW and 9 iron with the 243's and have been very happy so far.
I have the 245 and they are great. Look like my old MP blades when I was younger with all the help and really good feel at contact.
I’m gaming the new 245s and absolutely loving it. See my scores come down and have placed in 2 competitions. They are very forgiving of a thinned shot.
You don’t really need to blend the set as the set is already a blend of blades and hollow body.
The 5 iron is my new favorite club.
I can confirm that the 245's are amazing! I have higher swing speeds and good enough ball striking to be able to play the 241's, but I find that having a club as forgiving and "care free" as the 245 makes playing the game of golf much more enjoyable. I think the 245's are the best "all-around" irons on the market right now with their ability to combine performance, looks, forgiveness, availablity, and fitting options.
Thanks for info. as I'm making swing change from way too steep, I'm now hitting plenty thin. Better than fat, but my old cavity back Mizuno JPX 800 Pro irons are quite punishing of that miss.
@@jayfangRSA my Mizuno journey started with the JPX850. Moved on to the JPX TOURS.
I’m trying to hit more down on the ball but during a round and during fitting the 945 we’re very forgiving of a thinned shot which is my miss. Must be the extra tungsten.
Would recommend them and they go further. A win win for me.
Best of luck. Give them a try. I’d say you’ll be very satisfied with the performance.
I just got my 221 Pros to the course for the first time. I bought them as demo clubs on black friday. They were brand new. So happy with them. I can't imagine the new ones are better, honestly.
I’m toying with the idea of buying a set after trying them at my local shop. For context I’m at my second year playing the game.😂. Not. A. Good. Idea
But they’re 850$…..
Just got fitted for the 245 and should arrive in a few week. I was very impressed. I started my golf journey about a year in my 37 yrs old. Made the mistake of buying a complete set from Callaway (XR series) with graphite shafts. I definitively learned. But the C7 swing weight and the reg flex, is not helping. I hit my current 7 iron about 145-150 yrds, and in the fitting I smoked the 245 7 iron to 168 yrds with no effort. Looking forward to lower my HCP from 31 to closest to 18 I can! Thanks for the content, love to watch Mr. Frys tunneling the ball all the time and Mike fancy way of describing all you share! Would be very nice to play some golf with you all!🏌️♂️
Gents love the content.
Minor ask…
When you go from one club to the next could you show an image of the club you are about to swing?
It would make it much clearer for the viewer
Will be fitted at your shop in Calgary in a few months, Mizuno irons on my list, they advised me the 243 is not made left handed?
Have fitting booked next week to try out these irons, looking forward to it. Currently playing the Srixon previous gen ZX7 and I have a set of MP64 that I like to practice with. Looking for something with a little more pop. Hoping the 245's do it!
Been playing the 225's for almost a year and I love them.
Outstanding video guys. Thanks for sharing. Love the data driven comparisons.
Sure wish I was as consistent good as you with my new 245s :)
Are you giong to do the new Miura's?
Got fit for the 225’s by Dean at the Mississauga TXG with Accra iTour 110. Best irons I’ve ever played long, forgiving and beautiful. Hit the 245’s and they addressed on potential issue with a slightly higher spin rate more forgiveness in a smaller package. Well done Mizuno
This came out at the right time. I'm researching Mizuno irons for a trip in September when I get the opportunity to play with Vosh. Very helpful information.
I’ve dabbled with Mizuno irons the last few years. Played a short stint with the 225 and eventually moved into the JPX923 HMP. Great iron but didn’t have that same level of refinement and too hot for what I needed.
I’m now in the 245 and I have to say Mizuno absolutely nailed this iron. Plenty of forgiveness with amazing looks and performance. I would almost slot this iron in between a Titleist T200 and T150 in terms of performance with better looks and feel.
I love your videos. the analysis is very well constructed. What handicaps do Ian and Mikey play off?
My MP-57s still feel incredible today. One day I might replace them but not sure what with.
I have them too, and I’ve been researching irons for the past two years. I’m so hesitant to give them up because they feel like butter. However, they’re getting pretty old at this point so I feel like an upgrade is warranted and looking forward to a new set which will probably be Mizuno.
Bought the 243s in 5-P and kept my old 716 CB 4i for now. Thinking of swapping that out for a 245 5i since the lofts will be similar.
Great comparison. Love to see the differences between the evolution of the iron series.
Absolutely love my 243s coming from 2019 Apex's. I wasn't sure if I could game them as a 10hcp but was fit into them and they've been amazing, more forgiving than I anticipated.
Can’t wait for mine to arrive
Love my 225's. I've tried the 245's and they are even better but haven't tried the 243's yet. Waiting to see if there is a blacked out model and then could be tempted to upgrade!
The 223 and 243 performed identical for me. My distance gaps were consistent with the 223 and the Modus 115 shaft. I did hit the 243 since it is the latest version but there wasn’t anything between them to buy the new version. I ended up saving $500 going with a new set of 223 with my local shop running a sale and the irons being marked down as it is. I may revisit the 243 in the future but Mizuno will be in the bag either way.
Have the 921 Forged now. Thinking of moving to the 245's.
Same here, but I don't know if I'm consistent enough to make the switch
@@mjmalone75 If you are 10 or less handicap you would easily do it. Even if you were a +12.
243 is the best golf club this side of a blade. Thin top line, forgiving sole, big sweet spot, impeccable sound and feel, clean design and very precise details. I'm anywhere between 9.8 and 14 because of an injury and have no fear looking down at this beauty. I play Steelfiber i95s, ball flight is high and easy with a Pro V1.
Great comparison. I have 223s and need a 2nd set as have a home club in England as well as N Ireland. Was going to just get 223s if i could find a way to build them the same as current set but will try the 245s to see how they match up.
Can’t discount that the PW for the 243s is 2 degrees stronger than the 223s. I think the lofts across the board are stronger for the 243s. That should account for the majority of the speed gain.
I really like my new 241 blades. Had MP20 SEL. 221 didn't look as nice as 241 does. Mizuno irons are still the best. Great video.
I just traded in the 223's for the exact reason Ian mentioned. I thought it was just me, but the short irons just seemed dead compared to the rest. If they were all as good as 5,6,7, they would have been killer!!
I have the 223. I will also confirm that my numbers with 7-4 were pretty on par (maybe slightly short now, need to check the lofts to make sure they didn’t weaken)… the 9 and PW have a noticeable decrease in distance. It’s very odd.
Besides that, the clubs genuinely feel great. That 4 iron is soft as butter and gives the right amount of help.
If you get fit for mizuno, use their iron shaft fitting gadget. You take like 10 swings and it will tell you the top 3 irons shafts to use based on HOW you swing/load the club. It’s not garbage either, it narrows down the guesswork of traditional fitting. I think it’s called the Swing Optimizer or something.
I started with the 225 when they came out, but the long left miss was just too much. So I switched to the 223 to calm the left miss, but as you said something weird between 8i and 7i and couldn’t get comfortable. I switched to t150s and was pretty happy but more recently playing Edel sms and sms pro combo set and I am really enjoying them. May swing back around and test out the mizuno pro line again, but may be a while.
Love the 245’s. These are staying in the bag till the grooves fall off
I want to move into the 245s. But I’m hesitant because I’m afraid they’re almost TOO hot.
Is that possible??
I play my current set 7i to 185. But when I’ve hit the 245s at my local shop, I’m seeing about 10 more yards and hitting the 7i (245 model) about 195.
Is there such thing as too long?
For reference loft is only 1° stronger in the Mizunos.
My concern is with gapping on the bottom end of the set.
Mizuno pro 221 are unreal. Any hcp can game them. Forgiveness & feel. They’re hot as well. Rockets. Blades with forgiveness
Just ordered 245's but only 7 thru GW. Love my hybrids 3 thru 6 ST Max
Great video lads! I tried the new 243s and they were great..then hit the 245s and they were even better! The soft feeling and sound were superb on both sets..perhaps it’s time to retire my old MP54s and get into one of these..245s will probably be the one! Play off 8. atm. How would these Mizuno sets compare to Miura? 243 / 245 vs 302 perhaps? Look fws to a video guys!
Recently got the 243s with MMT 105s. Ive played Aerotech FC115s for years. For some reason they dont go any further and often shorter than my old T100s despite being 2* stronger through the bag. I think its got to be the shaft and me not fitting well because they feel incredible.
The last thing I need is to buy another set of new irons but dang it. I don’t know who hits netter long irons than Ian, pro level.
Have a combo set of 245s (4-7) and 243s (8-pw) and I love them.
I recently swapped from a set of T100’s to a full set of 221’s. When i played the T100 I honestly thought i was striking the ball well. After I switched to the 221, I couldn’t hit the face for the life of me. I changed the shafts and the grips thinking it was a swing weight issue. Turns out it was just shit swing. I got a lesson and spent the next 2 months grinding on the range with the 221’s.
Now i know what it feels like to flush the ball and I don’t think i would have progressed to where im at now, had i kept playing the T100’s. Just my opinion but i think a lot of golfers would benefit from at least practicing with a blade so they know what a flusher should feel like. No band aids
That’s why I play blades. Why noodle around with game improvement clubs? Just get good.
I own the 223's and the one thing I've always had issues with is the turf interaction, they seem to like to get slowed down and stuck in the turf. 243's might be what I need.
Edit: 22:40 What in the wild world of ball speeds... No wonder I've had so many issues with my 223 short irons.
I’m used to a 46* PW in my current set. Would it be wise to weaken the 243 PW 1-2* to match my 50* gap wedge?
What do you think about 245 P-7 0r 6, then 243 in the longer irons?
Ian commented that on the 245 7i it was lower spin than the 225 7i, and could be changed with a ball change. Wondering what you think you'd change to, V1X?
Great vid guys. Thanks!
I do like p770's had them a few years now but been told a many of times though...nothing feels like a mizuno hmmm what to do what to do..
I got fit for 241s , thinking I could strike like I did in college. I was sort of wrong ha. They’re still amazing irons.
Thanks, guys. No tungsten in the 223 / 243 series, right?
@clubchampion can you guys convince them to make 243 left handed?
Curious how many fast low handicaps you guys fit into irons like the 245s. Is there just too much speed??
Made the mistake of hitting the 241s and now I have 100% false confidence that I could game them.
Hahaha, same!! Although the 243 look incredible and perform unbelievably well.
You could, brother.
Play better clubs and get better at golf 💪🏻😉😊
They are the true game improvement clubs.
Had a shot of 243 today and the TM790. Initially we though combo 245/243 but 243 was so good I don’t even look at the TM
Hi Guys, please do T150 vs 243
The only thing I don’t like about this video is now I have to trade my 225s for 245s. Thanks!
Joking aside, I noticed the drop off in PW and GW from 9 in my 225 set. Thought I was crazy.
Wouldn’t changing the ball to add spin to irons adversely affect potentially your driver? Spin numbers on 245 seemed pretty low. Would like to see 225/245 tested at a slightly lower swing speed.
Can you share more details on what you experienced with gapping issues in the higher lofted irons in the Pro 223? My swing speed is about 10 mph slower than yours and I'm curious if you can quantify the distance gap problem you had between the PW, 9, 8, 7 irons. I've heard rumblings about this problem but can't find anything quantitative that helps me understand how big of a problem this could be for me. Pro 223 sets are pretty attractive on the used market these days.
Ian mentioned 223 PW going 130, and 7i 180 for him - which would leave over 15 yards per club gapping.
I’m a bit slower than Ian and game 223’s bent 1* strong - I’d say I see the biggest gap PW>9i, being 128>144 roughly for me. Then 156 8i, and 168 7i.
I clear 130 easily with the new 243 PW, although I still prefer my 223’s from 8i and longer
@@CheezMaster333 Thanks for the additional detail. My swing speed is slower than yours so those distance gaps get even smaller for me. I think the 5 degree gaps should be fine for me, and perhaps ideal, in the higher lofted irons. I can de-loft and add some oomph to get my 8 iron 150 but it's really and easy 135 or 140 yard club for me. 115 PW and 125 9 iron fit in just fine. I don't think I want my gap wedge to be any stronger than 50 degrees since I play only a single specialty wedge at 56 degrees. Seems like the gapping problem that Ian found for him isn't going to be an issue for me.
Still playing mp20 HMB, very good performers. Normal lofts, loads of forgiveness, and predictable distances.
I picked up a 225 3i, and honestly idk why mizuno or anyone makes a driving iron - it looks great, feels great, flights up and down easily. Easily looks better than most driving irons which usually have fat backends and lots of offset - the thing is a weapon
I am due a new set of irons. I am 80% keen on Mizuno. I am a mid to high handicap player. I strike the ball well (good contact), but not always in the middle. I also don't like a big top line like some of the game improvement irons. These Pro 245s look awesome. Which of the Pro 245 vs 923 Forged vs 923 HM Pro are the most forgiving for off centre strikes?
The 923 HM will be the most forgiving then the 923 forged then the 245 are the least forgiving of the 3.
Great vid’
I think people look at blades the wrong way, I play blades and it’s made me a better player.
Is it possible to blend 245 4/5 into a 223 set?
i have a set of 225s and its been pretty good for 2 yrs, I'm just wondering if it's possible to blend a set of 456 iron in 225 and 789 in 221, since the loft is different for these two models, dont know how it's gonna work, need some advices. cheers
Carrying 2x 7 irons lines up perfectly - 5-7 225, and 7-PW in 221. No one needs a 21* 4 iron (even Ian left it out in this round, even though TXG always used to test 4/7/PW 😅)
Might be time to upgrade my MP25's
Looking forward to buying the 243s and then carrying 6 wedges to fill the gaps now
The 243s are stronger lofted, is that the difference?
I tried the 243s in my fitting and loved the look and feel of them but the sole didn't suit me (currently using MP60s from way back) and my swing at the moment. Can't beat a set of Mizunos really, just got a bad swing at the moment.
Im still loving my MP225s after 2 years. If the 245s are better, it's hard to imagine
Upon further reflection, I'm not sure I like the gain in speed at the cost of spin? 225s are plenty long already.
@@ArmyGolfBC I have owned both and there's very little difference. The feel of the 245s is slightly duller (not really "softer" just a touch quieter, really) but I didn't seen any distance difference on the course. The 225s are fantastic irons, and the 245s are just a small evolution. 👍
My ideal lie angle is 64.25 upright, Mizuno start at 61.5. I've heard Chris (Mizuno) say they can be special ordered at 2 degrees upright and then bent a further 2 from there. I emailed Mizuno Europe Customer service and they just copy pasted the web site back to me saying a max of 2 degrees up to 63.5. Do/can you guys (CC) bend them further.
Need to include MP18 and MP20 in the comparison! I think MP20’s were the best 😆
Went from MP-18 mmc to 245. Getting older and needed a little juice! There’s not a better combination of looks and forgiveness out there. Single digit hcp but why not have the extra help?!
not sure if upgrading from 225 to 245 is worth it.
I've got a 223 4 iron and it doesn't spin enough for me.
Why is the 241 7i spinning so low?!
T150 vs 243 thoughts?
I went in to fitting wanting the 150s, I love their look, but I had better numbers with 243
I'd like it if Ian did on course commentary on tour. The accent is just so golfy.
I went from an old set of AP2's (best irons I have ever owned) to Pro 225. Getting old after 7 iron distances drop off. I live in Thailand and they will not combo a set here (except Titleist) or I would have picked up Srixon 7 and 5 combo set. You can custom order Titleist so next set will be T150 -T200 split set. The problem with Pro 225 is distance control, flush one and it's way over the green. They look and feel of the 225 is great. I don't dislike them but next set will be a combo set.
Can we see what fitting a 30 handicap would look like and how it might benefit. Asking for a friend.😏
Is there a club that has NOT made Ian’s bag
Stop making such a big deal about blades. If you like hitting them and they feel nice , just play them. Most people surprise themselves by how well the can hit blades because they buy into the fear mongering.
THIS!
Totally agree. If it feels fun just play them. Some peope play better with a thin sole anyway.
@@stuboy13 absolutely agree, thick soles are terrible for me, had a set of jpx 900s several yrs ago and currently playing better w/243s. Had other game improvement type irons too, HMBs, Rogue STs, but as long as you have the speed to elevate the ball play what you like. Better to miss short than long anyways!
It’s funny how much hate they get, are they unforgiving yes but so are all golf clubs…. If you’re missing the grooves or chunking 5 inches behind the ball no iron is going to be forgiving enough. What it really comes down to is swing speed and turf interaction. I’m average on a good day and I play considerably better with slimmer irons than big chunky ones.
@@TRIKushbeachsidegolfers with +110mph swing speeds and near perfect turf interaction shouldn't be playing blades if they aren't great ball strikers. Inconsistent ego swinging. Nothing to do with swing speed or turf interaction.
Why doesn't your review cover lofts? Some on these models aren't traditional lofts
Scratch - the blades play to weak had a 23 yard gap great smash good spin between 7i 221 and 6i 223
Hate bending irons I see the blades look a little hotter might change up 221’s for 241’s pw - 7i
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Still gaming the MP-20s. Have yet to play anything better haha
Ian 1000% could play a full set of blades.
🫣 I don’t think I’d back myself with blades.
Srixon has had Mizuno beat on feel since the z745 came out.
Every time Ian “I shouldn’t play blades”… Every time you put a skinny sole forward cg iron in his hand flushes them all.
I get his comments but I don’t he’s a better ball striker then I am and I’m very similar hit smaller soles and spin blades in a better window. Went to z forged ii and my strokes gained approach improved vastly. I would love to see Ian do a video on course comparing a blade to a non blade and compare strokes gained over like 5 rounds. Come on Ian make that happen.
I Second that. I had a hollow body "speed foam" iron and hit a combo set bladed 8 iron just to test a heavier stiffer shaft - ended up flushing the irons better than ever before. Go figure. From Rsi2 to Titleist 735 cm...
Would love to see Ian test and compare over a few rounds.
The 223s were designed as a combo set for people who wanted to play that style but were losing speed. So for fast speed players yes the 46 PW doesn’t keep up with the 32 7i. But for people like me losing speed they gap fine.
For fast swingers then yes some may experience too big a gap between 7i and PW. With the 243s you’re just getting a 2 degree stronger PW at 44 so it’s going to be longer.