I am a vinyl buff, and I think yes. It’s over. Even I switched to CDs because of their cheaper price. Vinyl just got too expensive, to me, at least. I’ve been away from any vinyl purchases for almost 6 months, and will keep myself without buying them unless the prices come down.
Vinyl sale are finished due to rip off prices as 40 bucks for a 40 minute album & in most cases you can buy the CD with at times a second disc full of bonus material for 15..... It's a no brainer!!
IMO.I know long winded, but it's true for me, and maybe not you, that's OK. I purchased vinyl in the early 70s, then 8 track, cassettes, DAT, CD, DVD-A, SACD, all the way down the line. VINYL MAY INDEED HAVE THE BEST AUDIO EXPERIENCE, THE BEST. However, you need a descent playback system to bring out the best in all these formats, especially vinyl. At one time you could buy vinyl at every dept store and every toy store, it's about all the working man's kid could afford. Do you know how many times I and everyone else returned vinyl for quality issues? It was common to get warped, skips, scratches, etc. When CD came out, we rejoiced. Finally, a guaranteed clean copy, no noise, no skips, it was heaven. NOW, the folks that did not experience this, experienced the vinyl propaganda. Rightfully so, AAA vinyl is awesome. But, the majority of folks are older, they went through these phases, they collected or can afford descent audio systems. When these folks buy $125 Mofi records, $150 UHQR, they don't play them on $200 vintage turntables with worn out stylus. They do buy 20-to-40-dollar records, which IS expensive compared to $5 used CDs which sound clean, or streaming everything in HD quality for #15 a month. (Which by the way, can sound awesome too, depends on the recording, engineering, the mix, the mastering, the production as a whole.) THATS THE REALIZATION, same realization back in 1985. That vinyl is great, when you have a capable stereo system, and you listen to pristine AAA albums made by audiophile labels that really care, and you're really into it. Otherwise, Vinyl it is simple to much hassle; it always was too much hassle. Think about it.....I bet most of us here have spent more money on cleaning records than most of the new commers have invested into an entire system. Once these newbies buy enough crappy quality new records, realize used records suck for the most part, and have to deal with everything that goes with the requirements of playback, they realize it sucks for the majority/ the masses...just like the 70s. A minority will always love it, because that's their hobby, thank goodness we have a few labels that will always strive to regurgitate the same old albums we loved when we were kids. Eventually, the vinyl thing will just return to the niche, and a minority will carry the torch, and enjoy the cult. No hate, no blame, just an opinion, peace out.
I used to copy vinyl records to cassette and just listen to the cassette. Less fuss to play, plus the vinyl remained pristine for longer. And yes, I welcomed CDs and they are still my preferred purchase option.
If only new releases weren't all 180 gram nonsense, or come in "all colors of the rainbow" crap. A part of me wants the hype to drop forever just so I can buy normal records again.
The problem is the record labels are so greedy and the cost of a new record here in Canada, and everywhere else, has gone insane. It’s very common where, after taxes, you’re paying between $50-$60 CAD a record. So do I buy records as often as 5 years ago? Not at all. And it’s not that I don’t want to, it’s because I’m not rich and can afford everything I would like to have. So nowadays I’m extremely picky with what records I will buy.
Yeah they're really too expensive, specially used editions. Down here there's not such thing as 5 dollar bins unless it's *really* uninteresting stuff. Every vinyl record seems to be a treasure and they're not :D
I walked into a chain store the other day and saw Daft Punks RAM reissue with a price tag of $84.99 on it. I actually bought the original pressing from that exact store when it came out for $29.95. Its OVER!!!!!
@top5records796 No not really, but it's the largest audio chain store in Australia, its called JBHifi. It used to be a store that focused a lot more on music and had the most alternative and wider selection than say Sanity or HMV, they now also sell air fryers, fans, TVs, microwaves and hair dryers etc and Sanity and HMV no longer exists. So if you want to buy new vinyl in a physical store they're basically it, they're in most big shopping malls in every state, there's not many family owned record stores and a lot don't sell new stuff, my local here on the south east coast of Queensland only stocks used vinyl and CDs. He will accept sealed new stuff as a trade but he doesn't order anything new to stock. In the same store I saw Whitney Houstons greatest hits with a $119 price tag on it, just a 2lp standard greatest hits comp. 🤯
@@CountNazgul93 not really a decade ago, but definitely before covid. And there are still new releases out there for 19.99. It really depends on the artist.
For me the release of the infamous Adele triple vinyl burst the vinyl bubble. It was the last new album stocked at our local Walmart before CD's and vinyl got phased out of Canadian Walmart's altogether. I myself, a lifelong vinyl collector since the 1970's have definitely have pulled back on new vinyl purchases. The current (bland) music climate and the slumping economy around me have take their toll. although I still love and play the records I already have, that hasn't changed.
I use to have over 200 funk & soul 1970s / 1980s albums. I now have over 100 cds 💿. The sound is crisp and as pure as water. You can plug in your headphones 🎧 , drink beer 🍻 and dance 🕺 🎶 the night away via the remote control. You can't do that with snap crackle and pop jumping vinyl and albums. Plus the cd covers still contain excellent art work and artist / songs information. Cds 💿 also have a much longer life span than vinyl. So for me Cds beat albums on points .
I think the younger crowd that followed this “vinyl trend” are the ones selling their records, but I think vinyl overall is still selling generally well.
The inconsiatency in pricing is telling. I was in a shop yesterday. World Party's Goodbye Jumbo reissue £20. Nick Cave's Wild God £38. It's pricing itself out the game.
Agree, I have been after a copy of Talking Heads Stop Making Sense, which I found yesterday in store brand new. Problem was it was Aud$115. Which is about £57-£58. Crazy!
@@willk76 That is indeed way too expensive. Was that the recent reissue? Because I did not buy that as well because of the price (although it is more complete than the OG)
@ yes a reissue, and agree it is desirable. I’m still disappointed how much it was. I have been after a copy for a while so nearly bought it just to end the hunt. As consumers we need to keep it real and not pay those gouging prices imo.
As a store owner. The collecting of vinyl records was never meant for mainstream buying. Collecting Vinyl is a nitch market for special people who collect this format. What is changing is very simple, the economy. Also the price is based off of demand, condition and rarity when it comes to used vinyl and sometimes even the new releases. As far as the new vinyl, record stores price them according to the recommended MRSP which usually carrry a profit of about 8.00. I have been in this business on and off over 50 years, the average buyer does not know what goes on behind the scene of the record business. There's more involved besides price. I have seen records go out of print for a year are so, when it does, these records quickly becomes rare until they are back in print. Also there are sometimes first, second and third pressings of these releases. As a result, all of them look the same and mybe priced according to the pressings. Remember your local record stores can't purchase wholesale like the big boxes. Most new releases cost us an average of 26.00.
As an older “audiophile who likes vinyl “….yes,back in the day ..I’d buy an album just out of curiosity. Once you get into vinyl..then you get into the quality of the pressing . Then at the end you’re going to want to explore what higher quality playback sounds like .. At that point you’ve moved beyond the Crosley and start moving into mid tier and even higher end systems and its associated gear ⚙️. Life is change.
The hype will never be over for me. I have been hooked since I was a toddler, when records were considered garbage and people could not understand why I liked them so much. It never fazed me. If the end of the hype means cheaper records, I am all in. I would just hate to see the supply of audiophile reissues and equipment/accessories die out because there isn't enough demand. Great thoughts, as always.
Im sure many folks might laugh at me, but, yeah - i got out of vinyl in the early 90s. Went to CD, then audiophile CDs. I’ve invested instead in quality sound system with SACD/ Ladder DAC, Tube Pre-amp… and the sounds lasts forever. However, classic music (jazz, blues, folk, classical) has a fantastic draw for me - - purchased through vendors like Mosaic Records, i get to listen to brilliant music on CD.. and such the like. These titles will never come to vinyl. (And i think perhaps there may be a new way of High RES optical discs to release some of the Vinyl classics that have yet to be released on digital in the future. Good listening to my vinyl friends who enjoy that way. (But i am surely glad I’m a SACD guy when Michael Jackson One Step is $150 and the same title on SACD, cut from the same master - is only $29.99… and so it has been with a lot of amazing new re-releases.)
@@CookieMonsterJams- yes, I’ve heard this as well. I’m thinking it must be related to environmental factors. I bought CDs in the 90s, that still play just the same today. My CD collection is now about 1800 titles… and no CD rot to date. So, I do agree with you, but I do note it’s much more rare than scratched records or worn grooove issues. Both are excellent mediums with care and cautious use, I find.
@@top5records796- An optical disc becomes unreadable by the player when pits in the surface develope due to oxidation of the reflective layer. It’s caused by reactions with contaminants, ultra-violet light damage, and de-bonding of the adhesive used to adhere the layers of the disc together. I’ve been fiortunate to never experience this with my CDs DVDs or Blu-ray’s. Though, I did have 1 laserdisc develop the issue… however, that was a used title- so I don’t know how it was kept before I bought it. Even though it’s rare, it’s a real problem, for some owners.
I've heard of CD rot but it has never happened in my collection. It's something that occurs when there is a manufacturing problem, it doesn't just randomly strike old CDs.
The reissue hype goes down, more and more collectors get into OG´s, just watch the rise in prices of OG Blue Notes. And the reissues are going down on the used market.
I do understand that! Though some (audiophile) reissues sound fantastic or sometimes even better than the OG; the sensation of finding a unique original is addictive.
Yeah, retail stores and sellers who overprice vinyl have led to the downfall. Some have a distorted sense of the value of their used vinyl. I have seen some beat up copies of vinyl selling for over $30 at a local record store that you can buy off ebay or Amazon for under $10 including shipping. Also it's hard to do a visual inspection of a record for pops and skips. I have bought records that look perfectly clean, only to find it skips or is ridden with pops. I have significantly reduced my purchases of used vinyl and have gone back to CDs.
I think that really depends on where you live as well. There are places with abnormal prices for very common vinyl (looking at some small towns and Manhattan). In those cases collecting just isn’t fun.
Interessante video weer Dennis. We hebben zaterdag kort gesproken over je nieuwe video . Ik heb nog een Led Zeppelin II kunnen scoren…RL SS Monarch. Super blij mee! Gr. Patrick
@ bij een Amerikaanse aanbieder. De prijs was zelfs nog onderhandelbaar! Ik heb me zaterdag gefocust op Amerikaanse en Britse aanbieders,en nog veel meer pareltjes gevonden. Ik moest wel 3x kijken bij de LZ. Kon het eigenlijk niet geloven. Maar soms moet je geluk hebben. Keep up the good work!
You betcha !! Haven't bought or even remotely thought about buying vinyl in well over a year !! Had my brief lapse of sanity like everyone else but the realization is Cost and Quality are equally terrible . Ill listen to what ive got with ZERO intention of buying anymore Vinyl ,CDs ect period ever again .
my place is too small for a vinyl collection i'm not kidding. i'd rather have instruments than records ;) . I still buy a record here and there from local bands to support them, but that's it.
Your repeating the nonsense about a 33% drop in vinyl sales after it was long ago debunked indicates that this video is clickbait bullcrap. Not watching.
Overall I'm pretty disappointed in the quality of "new" vinyl. I rather wait and read reviews about the quality and then decide, considering the high prices. But I still buy used vinyl (Discogs), to complete or replace.
Since some labels are open about the source they use, especially if they have acces to the analogue mastertape and a good engineer I think it’s relatively easy to find a good pressing.
I came up through the heyday of vinyl, into the CD era and obviously now the digital streaming era. Regardless of which format you choose, never forget it’s the songwriter and musician creating real music. Enjoy!
I hope not. I only have first pressings. I want my collection to be worth as much money as possible, and I don't really plan on buying more records. I have everything I want.
I still think there is a market for good quality vinyl, especially from the 60s and 70s. But I also see that some titles are being pressed in large volumes, that won't sell that much. So, the market is overstocked with certain releases. As a result, the value of vinyl (as a whole) is tempered down, due to strategic decisions. I own a SACD player and love to buy mofi and analogue productions sacd's. They are excellent and less expensive compared to their 45rpm vinyl counterparts. Sometimes the CD or SACD version is not available. In that case I get the vinyl, even more so if a download coupon is added. ~Marjet
yes it is. so tired of people on UA-cam against a wall of records too that will never get listened to in their lifetime 🤣 its another consumer spending addiction now vs for the music
I don’t give a rat’s ass whether the “hype” is over not. 😄 I’ve been a collector since the 80s and that isn’t going to change. I’m not a bandwagon jumper. All this goofy hand wringing and brow furrowing is amusing. Trends come and go, everyone knows that, and no one is forced into a business model that involves chasing trends.
For classical collectors like me who only buy vinyl from the golden age (60s to 80s) it is certainly not over. The price of new vinyl taking into account inflation is not much more than 70s prices when an LP was around £5. But why spend £30+ on a DG original source LP that can be had for £4 on ebay in EX condition. For marginally better sound quality? No.
To me I don’t get concerned about if vinyl sales are going down a little Don’t understand all the videos about this like people are really upset about it Why???? Maybe the outrageous prices will come down!!! Vinyl is not going anywhere but the companies are charging way too much for a lot of vinyl sales Why is it a big deal????
The prices aren't high based on wages. If you hipsters were alive during the 80s, you would know that the prices are right on track with minimum wage. The other reason vinyl sales may be down is because nothing great has been released the last 18 months. The only prices that are out of hand are used prices. I refuse to pay $100 or more, even $50 for a used record. I go to local record stores and they have increased all their used prices. Albums that were .99 cents to 2.99 are now 5.99 to 12.99 for titles that have been sitting in their stores for years. Nobody is looking for Streisand albums , and a used copy of Michael Jacksons Thriller shouldn't be $19.99 when that album is so plentiful. Even newer albums that people have sold back are only $5 cheaper than a new copy. Record sellers, mom and pop ships are gonna put themselves out of business. They give pennies on the dollar and mark stuff up 2000% . I pretty much have 99% of everything I want so although my buying didn't decrease this year, I'm only buying new from Amazon when I find deals. I'm not gonna give my money to small businesses that want to gouge their customers.
@@top5records796 probably because he listen to music from a nostalgic perspective? I already got over 500 records this year, probably around 120 new releases of new music. It's the same every year, great music is always a little harder to find, but it is there. Sales are up, and the metrics to gauge that are completely fucked up.
@top5records796 I had to look at what I bought this year. Most were old albums or reissues of stuff never on Record before (at least in the states). Out of over 100 albums purchased this year, 25 were new music from artists I loved. And a few newer artists. I'd say 2 were good and the others were underwhelming. I listen to pop, rock and country and Eminem . Basically each album had 1 great song and everything else were fillers and it's proven based on how well the songs performed globally. I need something to wow me and there was no WOW this year. Even the new anticipated Cure album was 6/10.
@@JJ-qs9hu The new Cure album is a piece of crap, sounds like a U2 LP produced by Nine Inch Nails... There's tons of great music out there, from new artists, but you have to go beyond pop rock or rap...
I'm from Holland and when I see the prices at the market for secondhand VG+/VG records with a sleeve that is at most VG, then you'll have to come to the conclusion that €20 for such an album, nothing special, no.special pressing, is way overpriced IMHO . I will never stop collecting but looking for bargains isn't that much fun as it used to be. The thrift store owners are well aware of discogs these days and pricing is accordingly. I've got more luck at garage sales. For now I'm buying a lot of CD's for €1,50 each. That's fun.
@@top5records796no. It is from my experience selling records at record fairs. I was at one last week. Several maga vendors were complaining about the economy and that they weren't selling records so they packed up and left 2 hrs before end of fair. Both those price gougers had used, scratchy records jacked up higher than mint copies on discogs. They are clueless. One guy had records that were missing huge chunks of vinyl. Lol, and that record was $126.00. That is an extreme case. But the others follow the same gouging in US. Boutique stores doing same. If you want to sell records stop the scalping- the vinyl inhumanity.
I was a collector before and during the 90s. Contrary to popular belief, 90s vinyl rarely made it to a store, it was 75% mail-order. At least in America. The few times I saw a new 90s vinyl in a store, I grabbed it. There were a lot of 12inch techno singles at stores, but that was it. Finding new rock vinyl in a store was so rare, i can literally remember where and when I got the 200 or so, I saw that entire decade. I mail-ordered everything
As a present day store owner and an owner from the 90s, I agree with you. The originals never made it to stores in quantity because of the introiduction of the CD. These reissues are going to be very rare in the future. R&B are going to be the first genre to be out of print.
The hype? Original pressings are artifacts. They will just become more valuable as they get harder to find for NM or EX pressings. I will always collect vinyl. They are pieces of art that will never again exist.
I get complimentary copies of new releases, reissues and boxed sets sent to me almost on a daily basis, so I'm not too worried. I share these mailbox arrivals on my channel under "The Mail" series. Lots of fun!
"with 'Corona people were sitting inside learning new hobbies," - er, no - we were locked inside under threat of prison, and we were all considering suicide. Thousands of people took their lives. Honestly, Dennis, you are far too nice.
Very sorry to hear about the suicidal thoughts and I hope everything is better now. I might be a bit to optimistic but I also hope not everyone had the same experience as you. Anyway; all the best of luck and health!
LPs are a luxury item today, not a mainstream format for new popular music. Most of my thousands of records are jazz and pop/rock from the analog era, before the 1990s. (Many of them are originals that I either bought when they were new or I picked up in used record stores.) Since the late 1980s, almost everything has been recorded digitally and sequenced for CD release, so while it may be fun to have vinyl copies, that's not really the format in which those albums were intended to be heard. I remember 1987 as the year CDs became the dominant delivery system -- when the Beatles' albums were digitally remastered and released on CD for the first time. In the last few years, those same albums have been remastered for vinyl. The pendulum will never stop swinging...
Bs. It is a piece of plastic. I am tired of people saying it is a luxury item. All physical media is a luxury. Music unless you are a musician is a luxury...........😂
@@frankgarcia9834 Any hobby is a luxury. Collecting is a luxury -- and the price makes it even more so. Records (like movie tickets) used to be something almost everybody could afford. Today, you can have "on demand" access to the same music in a variety of formats, some of them virtually for free, like here on UA-cam or other streaming platforms. But CDs are also becoming rarer and more expensive. So, yes, collecting physical media of any kind is a luxury for those who can afford it.
@ I bought the reissue on black vinyl of JJ’s Rhythm Nation £35… sent back as disk 1 was warped… then bought it from Juno on limited silver .. arrived disk 2 warped!! It’s not right! So now I’m buying from Discogs old soul funk and disco.. the new pressing can funk uff!
@@randytaylor220 buying records isn't about how much they are worth. It's about listening and enjoying them. That's is what is wrong with why prices are getting so ridiculous. People worry about the worth, how much they can flip it for.
@ it is about how much they’re worth if you’re an investor and lover of art And as a listener of music for more than 46 years I tend to listen to quality music. Mono first pressings, UK pressings that are much more valuable than US pressings. The nuance you hear from a top copy is better than let’s say a reissue or something you’d buy at the store today. So yes, it’s about value and worth my friend when it comes to listening to records. Don’t cheat yourself.
@randytaylor220 I don't look at it that way. Material things aren't about money to Mr. Music is art, and what you may think is priceless , I may think as junk. An original pressing doesn't always sound better. Think as you will and I will do the same.
I am a vinyl buff, and I think yes. It’s over. Even I switched to CDs because of their cheaper price. Vinyl just got too expensive, to me, at least. I’ve been away from any vinyl purchases for almost 6 months, and will keep myself without buying them unless the prices come down.
Vinyl sale are finished due to rip off prices as 40 bucks for a 40 minute album & in most cases you can buy the CD with at times a second disc full of bonus material for 15..... It's a no brainer!!
Price and quality is pushing people away
Quality? What about the quality?
@@top5records796 Constant crappy pressings.
I wanted to get an album from"The Tea Party" but apparently many war warped.
I agree, The QC is crap!
So true. Never had skips on brand new albums back in the day. I'm tired of returning to Barnes and Noble.
IMO.I know long winded, but it's true for me, and maybe not you, that's OK. I purchased vinyl in the early 70s, then 8 track, cassettes, DAT, CD, DVD-A, SACD, all the way down the line. VINYL MAY INDEED HAVE THE BEST AUDIO EXPERIENCE, THE BEST. However, you need a descent playback system to bring out the best in all these formats, especially vinyl. At one time you could buy vinyl at every dept store and every toy store, it's about all the working man's kid could afford. Do you know how many times I and everyone else returned vinyl for quality issues? It was common to get warped, skips, scratches, etc. When CD came out, we rejoiced. Finally, a guaranteed clean copy, no noise, no skips, it was heaven. NOW, the folks that did not experience this, experienced the vinyl propaganda. Rightfully so, AAA vinyl is awesome. But, the majority of folks are older, they went through these phases, they collected or can afford descent audio systems. When these folks buy $125 Mofi records, $150 UHQR, they don't play them on $200 vintage turntables with worn out stylus. They do buy 20-to-40-dollar records, which IS expensive compared to $5 used CDs which sound clean, or streaming everything in HD quality for #15 a month. (Which by the way, can sound awesome too, depends on the recording, engineering, the mix, the mastering, the production as a whole.) THATS THE REALIZATION, same realization back in 1985. That vinyl is great, when you have a capable stereo system, and you listen to pristine AAA albums made by audiophile labels that really care, and you're really into it. Otherwise, Vinyl it is simple to much hassle; it always was too much hassle. Think about it.....I bet most of us here have spent more money on cleaning records than most of the new commers have invested into an entire system. Once these newbies buy enough crappy quality new records, realize used records suck for the most part, and have to deal with everything that goes with the requirements of playback, they realize it sucks for the majority/ the masses...just like the 70s. A minority will always love it, because that's their hobby, thank goodness we have a few labels that will always strive to regurgitate the same old albums we loved when we were kids. Eventually, the vinyl thing will just return to the niche, and a minority will carry the torch, and enjoy the cult. No hate, no blame, just an opinion, peace out.
Thanks for your response and insight! I honestly don’t mind the vinyl cleaning. There is also some sort of romance involved.
I used to copy vinyl records to cassette and just listen to the cassette. Less fuss to play, plus the vinyl remained pristine for longer. And yes, I welcomed CDs and they are still my preferred purchase option.
If only new releases weren't all 180 gram nonsense, or come in "all colors of the rainbow" crap. A part of me wants the hype to drop forever just so I can buy normal records again.
There are some good sounding colored vinyl pressings.
The problem is the record labels are so greedy and the cost of a new record here in Canada, and everywhere else, has gone insane. It’s very common where, after taxes, you’re paying between $50-$60 CAD a record.
So do I buy records as often as 5 years ago? Not at all. And it’s not that I don’t want to, it’s because I’m not rich and can afford everything I would like to have. So nowadays I’m extremely picky with what records I will buy.
I think these prices do force us to become picky indeed!
The prices for vinyl are getting ridiculous and seems to have become more an object of prestige instead of...well...simply a medium for music. Pity.
I agree, though; some of the best sounding records out there can still be found in the 5 dollar bins!
@@top5records796true. I always felt second hand vinyl/sale bins are the most fun about vinyl collecting.
I completely agree! Yet some of the rare titles do become tempting. But I have found gorgeous pressings in those bins! I may do a video on those!
@@top5records796looking forward to that.
Yeah they're really too expensive, specially used editions. Down here there's not such thing as 5 dollar bins unless it's *really* uninteresting stuff. Every vinyl record seems to be a treasure and they're not :D
People have less money.
Very fair point!
Nailed it. Between that and price increases, naturally it’ll slow down.🎧
I walked into a chain store the other day and saw Daft Punks RAM reissue with a price tag of $84.99 on it.
I actually bought the original pressing from that exact store when it came out for $29.95.
Its OVER!!!!!
Is that store usually known for fair prices? Because this is just absurd.
@top5records796
No not really, but it's the largest audio chain store in Australia, its called JBHifi.
It used to be a store that focused a lot more on music and had the most alternative and wider selection than say Sanity or HMV, they now also sell air fryers, fans, TVs, microwaves and hair dryers etc and Sanity and HMV no longer exists.
So if you want to buy new vinyl in a physical store they're basically it, they're in most big shopping malls in every state, there's not many family owned record stores and a lot don't sell new stuff, my local here on the south east coast of Queensland only stocks used vinyl and CDs.
He will accept sealed new stuff as a trade but he doesn't order anything new to stock.
In the same store I saw Whitney Houstons greatest hits with a $119 price tag on it, just a 2lp standard greatest hits comp.
🤯
The damage is done. Prices of records went from 17 bucks to almost 30 for a single LP
But they can get lower again.
@@CountNazgul93 that happened like a decade ago. Where have you been.
@@JJ-qs9hu wrong
@@CountNazgul93 not really a decade ago, but definitely before covid. And there are still new releases out there for 19.99. It really depends on the artist.
And the quality got worse
Every store I’ve seen is running clearance sales
Really? On interesting titles?
@ Yea, many stores doing discounts on full store inventory. Sometimes they’ll do different discounts for new/used. Just depends.
The Hype of over pricing records has taperd off some what I think ..
I truly hope so!
For me the release of the infamous Adele triple vinyl burst the vinyl bubble. It was the last new album stocked at our local Walmart before CD's and vinyl got phased out of Canadian Walmart's altogether. I myself, a lifelong vinyl collector since the 1970's have definitely have pulled back on new vinyl purchases. The current (bland) music climate and the slumping economy around me have take their toll. although I still love and play the records I already have, that hasn't changed.
It is 1982 again. Music buyers with no unrealistic expectations of vinyl just cannot wait for the arrival of cd.
I use to have over 200 funk & soul 1970s / 1980s albums. I now have over 100 cds 💿. The sound is crisp and as pure as water. You can plug in your headphones 🎧 , drink beer 🍻 and dance 🕺 🎶 the night away via the remote control. You can't do that with snap crackle and pop jumping vinyl and albums. Plus the cd covers still contain excellent art work and artist / songs information. Cds 💿 also have a much longer life span than vinyl. So for me Cds beat albums on points .
I think the younger crowd that followed this “vinyl trend” are the ones selling their records, but I think vinyl overall is still selling generally well.
And I honestly believe it’s just a fragment of the younger crowd.
Agreed 100%
Vinyl is King , imagine worrying if is fashionable!
I don’t worry about fashion.
The inconsiatency in pricing is telling. I was in a shop yesterday. World Party's Goodbye Jumbo reissue £20. Nick Cave's Wild God £38. It's pricing itself out the game.
I think you might be right. You also do not want to be surprised by extreme prices.
Agree, I have been after a copy of Talking Heads Stop Making Sense, which I found yesterday in store brand new. Problem was it was Aud$115. Which is about £57-£58. Crazy!
@@willk76 That is indeed way too expensive. Was that the recent reissue? Because I did not buy that as well because of the price (although it is more complete than the OG)
@ yes a reissue, and agree it is desirable. I’m still disappointed how much it was. I have been after a copy for a while so nearly bought it just to end the hunt. As consumers we need to keep it real and not pay those gouging prices imo.
As a store owner. The collecting of vinyl records was never meant for mainstream buying. Collecting Vinyl is a nitch market for special people who collect this format. What is changing is very simple, the economy. Also the price is based off of demand, condition and rarity when it comes to used vinyl and sometimes even the new releases. As far as the new vinyl, record stores price them according to the recommended MRSP which usually carrry a profit of about 8.00. I have been in this business on and off over 50 years, the average buyer does not know what goes on behind the scene of the record business. There's more involved besides price. I have seen records go out of print for a year are so, when it does, these records quickly becomes rare until they are back in print. Also there are sometimes first, second and third pressings of these releases. As a result, all of them look the same and mybe priced according to the pressings. Remember your local record stores can't purchase wholesale like the big boxes. Most new releases cost us an average of 26.00.
Thanks! And thank you for your professional insight!
*niche
As an older “audiophile who
likes vinyl “….yes,back in the day ..I’d buy an album just out of curiosity.
Once you get into vinyl..then you get into the quality of the pressing .
Then at the end you’re going to want to explore what higher quality playback sounds like ..
At that point you’ve moved beyond the Crosley and start moving into mid tier and even higher end systems and its associated gear ⚙️.
Life is change.
Isn’t that what most people who get into vinyl experience? Also my age at this moment in time.
The hype will never be over for me. I have been hooked since I was a toddler, when records were considered garbage and people could not understand why I liked them so much. It never fazed me. If the end of the hype means cheaper records, I am all in. I would just hate to see the supply of audiophile reissues and equipment/accessories die out because there isn't enough demand.
Great thoughts, as always.
Im sure many folks might laugh at me, but, yeah - i got out of vinyl in the early 90s. Went to CD, then audiophile CDs. I’ve invested instead in quality sound system with SACD/ Ladder DAC, Tube Pre-amp… and the sounds lasts forever.
However, classic music (jazz, blues, folk, classical) has a fantastic draw for me - - purchased through vendors like Mosaic Records, i get to listen to brilliant music on CD.. and such the like.
These titles will never come to vinyl. (And i think perhaps there may be a new way of High RES optical discs to release some of the Vinyl classics that have yet to be released on digital in the future.
Good listening to my vinyl friends who enjoy that way. (But i am surely glad I’m a SACD guy when Michael Jackson One Step is $150 and the same title on SACD, cut from the same master - is only $29.99… and so it has been with a lot of amazing new re-releases.)
The biggest problem with CD's is CD Rot, I've had many of my older 80s/90s becomen unplayable because of this. Just doesn't happen with vinyl!
What is CD Rot?
@@CookieMonsterJams- yes, I’ve heard this as well. I’m thinking it must be related to environmental factors.
I bought CDs in the 90s, that still play just the same today.
My CD collection is now about 1800 titles… and no CD rot to date.
So, I do agree with you, but I do note it’s much more rare than scratched records or worn grooove issues.
Both are excellent mediums with care and cautious use, I find.
@@top5records796-
An optical disc becomes unreadable by the player when pits in the surface develope due to oxidation of the reflective layer.
It’s caused by reactions with contaminants, ultra-violet light damage, and de-bonding of the adhesive used to adhere the layers of the disc together.
I’ve been fiortunate to never experience this with my CDs DVDs or Blu-ray’s. Though, I did have 1 laserdisc develop the issue… however, that was a used title- so I don’t know how it was kept before I bought it.
Even though it’s rare, it’s a real problem, for some owners.
I've heard of CD rot but it has never happened in my collection. It's something that occurs when there is a manufacturing problem, it doesn't just randomly strike old CDs.
For a growing number of us, NO vinyl is worth 30 bucks and up. NONE.
I understand!
I never switched back to vinyl after going to CD’s, I was shocked to hear that they are $30, that seems insane to me.
The reissue hype goes down, more and more collectors get into OG´s, just watch the rise in prices of OG Blue Notes. And the reissues are going down on the used market.
I do understand that! Though some (audiophile) reissues sound fantastic or sometimes even better than the OG; the sensation of finding a unique original is addictive.
I like my vinyl records. Always will.
Yeah, retail stores and sellers who overprice vinyl have led to the downfall. Some have a distorted sense of the value of their used vinyl. I have seen some beat up copies of vinyl selling for over $30 at a local record store that you can buy off ebay or Amazon for under $10 including shipping. Also it's hard to do a visual inspection of a record for pops and skips. I have bought records that look perfectly clean, only to find it skips or is ridden with pops. I have significantly reduced my purchases of used vinyl and have gone back to CDs.
I think that really depends on where you live as well. There are places with abnormal prices for very common vinyl (looking at some small towns and Manhattan). In those cases collecting just isn’t fun.
New vinyl is sh*te. Always warped/scuffs/scratched whatever... While being sold as mint and sealed.
With what kind of records do you have these issues?
Anyone who makes such a wild overgeneralization can’t be taken seriously
Interessante video weer Dennis.
We hebben zaterdag kort gesproken over je nieuwe video . Ik heb nog een Led Zeppelin II kunnen scoren…RL SS Monarch. Super blij mee!
Gr. Patrick
Dankjewel! En wat gaaf! Waar heb je die RL gevonden?
@ bij een Amerikaanse aanbieder. De prijs was zelfs nog onderhandelbaar!
Ik heb me zaterdag gefocust op Amerikaanse en Britse aanbieders,en nog veel meer pareltjes gevonden.
Ik moest wel 3x kijken bij de LZ. Kon het eigenlijk niet geloven. Maar soms moet je geluk hebben.
Keep up the good work!
Very interesting points on this topic.
Thank you.
You betcha !! Haven't bought or even remotely thought about buying vinyl in well over a year !! Had my brief lapse of sanity like everyone else but the realization is Cost and Quality are equally terrible . Ill listen to what ive got with ZERO intention of buying anymore Vinyl ,CDs ect period ever again .
my place is too small for a vinyl collection i'm not kidding. i'd rather have instruments than records ;) . I still buy a record here and there from local bands to support them, but that's it.
I only buy UK/USA first pressings of classic and personal favs, I only have 1 new album Rumours 45RPM which is worth every penny.
Your repeating the nonsense about a 33% drop in vinyl sales after it was long ago debunked indicates that this video is clickbait bullcrap. Not watching.
Watch longer. I talk about how those numbers are wrong and about the Discogs numbers later on.
I almost stopped buying new vinyl because it sound bad. In last two years it is only second hand vinyl from 70s, 80s and some of 90s i am buying.
interesting take thanks again
Thank you!
I hope that prices drop also and agree used vinyl when ya can is probably a better choice. ✌️😎 have a good one from Indiana 👊
Overall I'm pretty disappointed in the quality of "new" vinyl. I rather wait and read reviews about the quality and then decide, considering the high prices.
But I still buy used vinyl (Discogs), to complete or replace.
Since some labels are open about the source they use, especially if they have acces to the analogue mastertape and a good engineer I think it’s relatively easy to find a good pressing.
I came up through the heyday of vinyl, into the CD era and obviously now the digital streaming era. Regardless of which format you choose, never forget it’s the songwriter and musician creating real music. Enjoy!
Thanks! And you are right; nevertheless, if it sounds good there is so much more to love!
I hope not. I only have first pressings. I want my collection to be worth as much money as possible, and I don't really plan on buying more records. I have everything I want.
I don’t think you have to worry about the value of OG’s. They remain rare.
vinyl is a pain in the ass.. Expensive in every way and quality is NOT as great as hyped.
I still think there is a market for good quality vinyl, especially from the 60s and 70s. But I also see that some titles are being pressed in large volumes, that won't sell that much. So, the market is overstocked with certain releases. As a result, the value of vinyl (as a whole) is tempered down, due to strategic decisions. I own a SACD player and love to buy mofi and analogue productions sacd's. They are excellent and less expensive compared to their 45rpm vinyl counterparts. Sometimes the CD or SACD version is not available. In that case I get the vinyl, even more so if a download coupon is added. ~Marjet
With what kind of titles is the market overstocked?
@@top5records796 With newer titles - that not sold as many as might expected- and (cheaper) reissues from classic albums.
Recent Record store day in the UK had a SpongeBob soundtrack for 0ver £40! i think we are there.....
yes it is. so tired of people on UA-cam against a wall of records too that will never get listened to in their lifetime 🤣 its another consumer spending addiction now vs for the music
Why a spending addiction? For me it’s all love for the music.
If they would stop pressing vinyl just to press it, it wouldn't be on the decline.
Do you think they press too much?
Vinyl will eat itself, and thanks to pure greed it has.
Thank god someone finally mentioned the inherent greed of vinyl itself 😂 Every single record in my collection is so obnoxiously greedy.
A brand new Blue Note (RVG) CD costs 8-12 € 😂 and sounds amazing on my custom DAC!
the 33% thing was already said to not be true and a miscalculation they’ve actually gone up 6%
It's funny how people just see a headline and don't bother to read any further
6% excluding data from ALL independent retailers, so who knows. I haven’t been to a store yet that isn’t running a clearance sale on all inventory
@19:04 Amen
Thanks!
I don’t give a rat’s ass whether the “hype” is over not. 😄 I’ve been a collector since the 80s and that isn’t going to change. I’m not a bandwagon jumper. All this goofy hand wringing and brow furrowing is amusing. Trends come and go, everyone knows that, and no one is forced into a business model that involves chasing trends.
For classical collectors like me who only buy vinyl from the golden age (60s to 80s) it is certainly not over. The price of new vinyl taking into account inflation is not much more than 70s prices when an LP was around £5. But why spend £30+ on a DG original source LP that can be had for £4 on ebay in EX condition. For marginally better sound quality? No.
What is the golden age of classical pressings?
@@top5records796 for me it is early 60s all the way to mid 80s.
To me I don’t get concerned about if vinyl sales are going down a little Don’t understand all the videos about this like people are really upset about it Why???? Maybe the outrageous prices will come down!!! Vinyl is not going anywhere but the companies are charging way too much for a lot of vinyl sales Why is it a big deal????
I don’t think there is a big deal.
The prices aren't high based on wages. If you hipsters were alive during the 80s, you would know that the prices are right on track with minimum wage.
The other reason vinyl sales may be down is because nothing great has been released the last 18 months.
The only prices that are out of hand are used prices. I refuse to pay $100 or more, even $50 for a used record. I go to local record stores and they have increased all their used prices. Albums that were .99 cents to 2.99 are now 5.99 to 12.99 for titles that have been sitting in their stores for years. Nobody is looking for Streisand albums , and a used copy of Michael Jacksons Thriller shouldn't be $19.99 when that album is so plentiful.
Even newer albums that people have sold back are only $5 cheaper than a new copy. Record sellers, mom and pop ships are gonna put themselves out of business. They give pennies on the dollar and mark stuff up 2000% .
I pretty much have 99% of everything I want so although my buying didn't decrease this year, I'm only buying new from Amazon when I find deals. I'm not gonna give my money to small businesses that want to gouge their customers.
Why do you think nothing good has been released the last 18 months?
@@top5records796 probably because he listen to music from a nostalgic perspective? I already got over 500 records this year, probably around 120 new releases of new music. It's the same every year, great music is always a little harder to find, but it is there. Sales are up, and the metrics to gauge that are completely fucked up.
@@top5records796 there was some decent stuff, but nothing I've gone back to numerous times to listen to. To each their own anyway.
@top5records796 I had to look at what I bought this year. Most were old albums or reissues of stuff never on Record before (at least in the states). Out of over 100 albums purchased this year, 25 were new music from artists I loved. And a few newer artists. I'd say 2 were good and the others were underwhelming. I listen to pop, rock and country and Eminem . Basically each album had 1 great song and everything else were fillers and it's proven based on how well the songs performed globally. I need something to wow me and there was no WOW this year. Even the new anticipated Cure album was 6/10.
@@JJ-qs9hu The new Cure album is a piece of crap, sounds like a U2 LP produced by Nine Inch Nails... There's tons of great music out there, from new artists, but you have to go beyond pop rock or rap...
I'm from Holland and when I see the prices at the market for secondhand VG+/VG records with a sleeve that is at most VG, then you'll have to come to the conclusion that €20 for such an album, nothing special, no.special pressing, is way overpriced IMHO . I will never stop collecting but looking for bargains isn't that much fun as it used to be. The thrift store owners are well aware of discogs these days and pricing is accordingly. I've got more luck at garage sales. For now I'm buying a lot of CD's for €1,50 each. That's fun.
Really depends on where you live though, in which towns in The Netherlands do you go shopping?
@@top5records796 Maastricht,Heerlen, Roermond....In Limburg (South of Holland)
Down in USA since mid 2023
Is that from the same article as the “33% quote”?
@@top5records796no. It is from my experience selling records at record fairs. I was at one last week. Several maga vendors were complaining about the economy and that they weren't selling records so they packed up and left 2 hrs before end of fair. Both those price gougers had used, scratchy records jacked up higher than mint copies on discogs. They are clueless. One guy had records that were missing huge chunks of vinyl. Lol, and that record was $126.00. That is an extreme case. But the others follow the same gouging in US. Boutique stores doing same. If you want to sell records stop the scalping- the vinyl inhumanity.
90s vinyl rules. Get them while you can.
They’re really expensive.
Where are they? 😂
I was a collector before and during the 90s. Contrary to popular belief, 90s vinyl rarely made it to a store, it was 75% mail-order. At least in America. The few times I saw a new 90s vinyl in a store, I grabbed it. There were a lot of 12inch techno singles at stores, but that was it. Finding new rock vinyl in a store was so rare, i can literally remember where and when I got the 200 or so, I saw that entire decade. I mail-ordered everything
As a present day store owner and an owner from the 90s, I agree with you. The originals never made it to stores in quantity because of the introiduction of the CD. These reissues are going to be very rare in the future. R&B are going to be the first genre to be out of print.
Yes it’s over, as well as the moustache hype, which never was a hype really, it was just a joke…
The moustache thing is still going.
Original pressing keep getting scarcer
I think that is something that will never change.
I just buy dollar vinyls and find some gems
The hype? Original pressings are artifacts. They will just become more valuable as they get harder to find for NM or EX pressings. I will always collect vinyl.
They are pieces of art that will never again exist.
You trade your $ for vinyl and I'll trade mine for Bitcoin.
See who wins 😂
@ lol I don’t trade or sell vinyl. It’s for my personal listening pleasure and collection.
Please move on, thanks!
Every “artist” you listed you listened to “digitally”. All of them. None of them are even recorded in analog in the first place.
But digital recordings also sound very good on a vinyl pressing (that was already the case with Nightfly and Brothers in Arms).
I’d say no
i collected vinyl for 50 oadd years; i just started to sell stuff...yu cant hold onto it forever
Why did you start to sell? And which records did you decide to sell?
😮digital is portable Vinyl is for collectors or who the patience and time to listen and enjoy
Digital is not portable vinyl.
I get complimentary copies of new releases, reissues and boxed sets sent to me almost on a daily basis, so I'm not too worried. I share these mailbox arrivals on my channel under "The Mail" series. Lots of fun!
Thanks for taking a moment to strut around bragging about this 👍
"with 'Corona people were sitting inside learning new hobbies," - er, no - we were locked inside under threat of prison, and we were all considering suicide. Thousands of people took their lives. Honestly, Dennis, you are far too nice.
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Very sorry to hear about the suicidal thoughts and I hope everything is better now. I might be a bit to optimistic but I also hope not everyone had the same experience as you. Anyway; all the best of luck and health!
I think its quite obvious the video maker did not intend to make light of suicide, He's clearly a lovely bloke.
Reality enters the discussion, I will never forgive the governments who did this and those who supported it.
I assume you are happy now?
LPs are a luxury item today, not a mainstream format for new popular music. Most of my thousands of records are jazz and pop/rock from the analog era, before the 1990s. (Many of them are originals that I either bought when they were new or I picked up in used record stores.) Since the late 1980s, almost everything has been recorded digitally and sequenced for CD release, so while it may be fun to have vinyl copies, that's not really the format in which those albums were intended to be heard. I remember 1987 as the year CDs became the dominant delivery system -- when the Beatles' albums were digitally remastered and released on CD for the first time. In the last few years, those same albums have been remastered for vinyl. The pendulum will never stop swinging...
Bs. It is a piece of plastic. I am tired of people saying it is a luxury item. All physical media is a luxury. Music unless you are a musician is a luxury...........😂
@@frankgarcia9834 Any hobby is a luxury. Collecting is a luxury -- and the price makes it even more so. Records (like movie tickets) used to be something almost everybody could afford. Today, you can have "on demand" access to the same music in a variety of formats, some of them virtually for free, like here on UA-cam or other streaming platforms. But CDs are also becoming rarer and more expensive. So, yes, collecting physical media of any kind is a luxury for those who can afford it.
I only buy old VG+ stuff that I want. New releases are just stupidly expensive and the quality these days is SHIT!
I mostly buy old stuff as well, but some new vinyl (new albums and audiophile pressings) can be really great!
@ I bought the reissue on black vinyl of JJ’s Rhythm Nation £35… sent back as disk 1 was warped… then bought it from Juno on limited silver .. arrived disk 2 warped!! It’s not right! So now I’m buying from Discogs old soul funk and disco.. the new pressing can funk uff!
No.
I agree.
So I’m not supposed to collect vinyl anymore because the hype is dimming?
Please… original pressings are valuable.
Not anything remotely close to what you are saying is ever suggested in this video. What are you replying to?
@ it seems that there is a popular opinion going on with UA-camrs saying vinyl is dead or not relevant.
@@randytaylor220 buying records isn't about how much they are worth. It's about listening and enjoying them. That's is what is wrong with why prices are getting so ridiculous. People worry about the worth, how much they can flip it for.
@ it is about how much they’re worth if you’re an investor and lover of art
And as a listener of music for more than 46 years I tend to listen to quality music.
Mono first pressings, UK pressings that are much more valuable than US pressings. The nuance you hear from a top copy is better than let’s say a reissue or something you’d buy at the store today.
So yes, it’s about value and worth my friend when it comes to listening to records.
Don’t cheat yourself.
@randytaylor220 I don't look at it that way. Material things aren't about money to Mr. Music is art, and what you may think is priceless , I may think as junk. An original pressing doesn't always sound better. Think as you will and I will do the same.
10:32 It's 's-Hertogenbosch, not Den Bosch. You really need to work on your Dutch!
Lol jk.
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