Thank you for taking your time to explain this. I am new to LP-world and since I am very interested in 1960's records - I was searching for a best way to protect them as much as I can, because records like these - when they are gone - they are gone for good - no replacements of any kind. This video was very helpful.
You all prolly dont care but does someone know of a tool to log back into an instagram account..? I was stupid forgot the login password. I appreciate any tricks you can offer me!
@Sincere Gerald Thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site through google and I'm in the hacking process now. Seems to take quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
Thanks for the content. Just got an expensive record washer for my birthday bought some of your sleeves great competitive prices. Now I can put my clean records in new clean sleeves! SleeveCityUSA Rocks!
Thank you! Nice clear and concise presentation (unlike so many other fusspots, I'm not bothered by some background noise in a short video). It's been surprisingly difficult to figure out which inner sleeve is my best bet without spending a bunch more money. The diskeeper 1.5 mm round bottom looks good to me.
Thank you for this highly informative video. FYI: The only pink bags I've ever seen are 4 mil anti-static, non-corrosive virgin polyethylene film. These are the same bags that sensitive electronics and computer components are shipped in. Theoretically, that bag would be superior for eliminating static. I'm not sure if it would scratch records or not, but if polyethylene is preferred, as with your '2.0 Diskeeper Inner', then those bags should be amazing for inner sleeves (not to mention they're about $0.16 a piece). That bag you held up looks a bit flimsy for 4 Mil, so it may not be the aforementioned one above, but I wanted to share the knowledge in case it comes in handy. Thank you again for the great videos. Keep it up!
Avery, thanks for your comments. The pink bags I've come across do not have a very smooth finish, I have heard from people saying they damaged their records.
I received a few packs of the Ultimate Audiophile Sleeves a while back so I could try them out...they are FANTASTIC. I've been using the poly-lined paper sleeves and the paper fibers were driving me crazy. I cleaned some records as well as some new purchases and popped into the Ultimate's and I'm 100% happy with them. Nice an slick, but stiff enough to hold shape. Not a paper fiber to be found. I will be swapping out every record in my collection with these.
When I take a record in and out of a sleeve, I "bow" the sleeve while inserting and removing the record! That prevents a lot! But like you said, it doesn't prevent dirt from getting in! And the record has to eventually touch the sleeve when you put it away! But "bowing" helps keep the record from scraping against it!
@hurkamur1 The PVC outer sleeves stay clear no matter how old they are. Only thing that changes, they harden and may crack at the corners due to the escape of the weakeners. The outer sleeves that are slightly cloudy and soft are made of polyethelene, the only plastic suitable for protecting the outer sleeves. You might consider keeping the PVC sleeves if lined inner sleeves are used. Migration of softeners into the PVC is blocked by polyethelene-lined inner sleeves. (records are made of specially formulated PVC, but it depends what formula is used. Some PVC might not resemble the other chemically, that fact might explain the one PVC is rather immune for softener migration than the other). These migrations are also known under another name: free radicals. Remember the gases escaping from particle board? It resembles the effects softeners cause escaping from soft PVC. Difference is old particle board fumes might damage our health. Despite all that, both are so called free radicals.
Your Ultimate Sleeeves are fantastic! I would recommend one improvement. The bottom of the sleeves are a bit flimsy. Maybe add a 1/4 inch or so reinforcement at the bottom of the sleeve? That would really be great protection.
Yeah those low density poly sleeves on old albums actually oozes a plastic film onto the record. But I've used the high density poly eth lined paper sleeves for years and never had trouble with the paper coming unglued from poly eth material. The straight high density poly eth sleeves without the paper feel too flimsy IMHO. Those round bottom sleeves do look great for the old classical Lps that have the tight fit like the really early 50s Columbia albums. Thanks for the informative vid.
I love the HDPE 2.0 Sleeve City inners. I started using them on all my records a few months ago. What I do is insert them into the current paper inner sleeves if they have any artwork or lyrics on them. Good results, low static & the best part is it doesn't cause any light scratches like many other sleeves. I hate the round bottom ones though, have to say. One thing about the really old fashioned rice paper sleeves, that I sadly just replaced with the HDPE 2.0, they work well on older records from the 50's - 70's, and the smell of old vinyl on rice paper is just amazing. What are the best outer sleeves you would suggest for gatefold covers?
I could hear you just fine and unlike every other unappreciative spoiled winy baby commenting on this video. I would like to thank you for your time spent on this video and the info on these sleeves. I will be ordering soon! Thank you very much!
I have bought new records with the pink hue on the inner sleeves. When I would put my fingers inside the sleeve I would end up with residue on them. I don't understand why a pressing plant would use something like that. I throw stuff like that away and put the record in a Mobile Fidelity sleeve which I really like. The Mobile Fidelity sleeves look a lot like the rice paper sleeves you showed. Acoustic sounds also uses a sleeve like that for their records. I wonder if they are made by the same company.
A little Yes, but mostly No. At 4:25 he uses a sleeve that can easily fold back on itself at the corners when inserted into the LP sleeve, thereby risking vinyl scuffing. Best to use a harder outer sleeve with a rice paper interior, which won't adhere to the vinyl like a poly interior.
I'm not one to play my albums to the extent paper sleeves become an issue. As long as they are acid free and of good quality my collection is happy. In my experience those fancy poly sleeves are difficult to incert into the outer sleeve.
I've bought a vinyl and it came with the inner sleeve and it scratches it, while I have another one with a paper sleeve with less scratches. Can anyone help?
invogled, thanks for your comment, although I did point out the material was a high density polyethylene; the pink hue really indicates the material was not designed for records.
So of this is overkill. If your collection is near mint high dollar collector records sure but if you collect for the fun of it and have lots of commons, and crate digging rescues a decent paper or poly inner sleeve is all you need. That and handle your records with care.
I would like to go a bit further than that and WARN for the PVC jacket protection sleeves. The softeners in the PCV tend to attack the PVC vinyl records are made of. This process takes years so any newbees should be well aware of the danger. So never use PVC outer sleeves and use polyethylene sleeves instead. These sleeves come in several thicknesses, the thicker ones are less transparent but do their job just as good as the thinner ones. A record that has been attacked by softeners coming from PVC outer sleeves have a duller surface and there will be excessive surface noise. Needless to say these records are damaged beyond repair, cleaning won't help either. This warning goes for all PVC based vinyl records, styrene is immune for PVC softeners. Styrene was used by some USA based record factories for 7 inch 45rpm records. These 7inches were injection molded instead of pressed.
Thanks for the info, I'm pretty sure a bunch of my records still have PVC outers. And my local shop still sells them. Those are the thick soft ones that get cloudy over the years?
I mean, he says at one point "you can get lots of different kinds, these just happen to be ours" so he wasn't wasn't pushing his brand that hard but rather discussing the best options and using his company's version since he works for them.
Informative video and well presented too. You clearly know your sleeves, but is business so bad that you cannot afford a proper desk ? And what was all the background noise ?
I recently changed out those terrible sleeves on all my new Blue Note Music Matters and ORG reissues. I can’t believe these top reissue labels would use a sleeve that would ruin these high records. You can easily spot these because they turn a very strange color.
Thank you, BTW I loved Peaches Records and Tapes, back in the day........But it was the worst place to store Records ever, in thier wood crates! torn my Album Cover to He..........this was before i put my albums in the outer plastic covers!
@@sleevecity4827 you worked at or for Peaches? Btw I have Acquire some Albums that were headed to the "dump" Some of the Albums Jackets had 2 Disc in a jacket meant of course for one Disc. Where can I get Plain Outer Jackets to house the Orphans?
I use nothing but the ultimate disckeeper double sided with the center hole... they are simply the best there is.next time... turn off the washing machine before making the video dude!
You can also store the record in the jacket with the opening facing "up"! Facing the opening of the sleeve with the opening of the jacket, can easily cause your LP's to fall out of the jacket! That's bad! And one thing you said that I disagree with, and is common sense! DO NOT PUT TWO RECORDS IN THE SAME SLEEVE! It will scar the hell out of your record's! That is NOT a smart thing to do!
Nice explanation, but OMG u have so much background noise, and not a decent hi rez camera....truly detracts and distracts from the important message about record sleeves to protect records with different solutions.
I love the banging of the paper sleeve on the record! Of course, we all do that when we put our records away don't we? Do you get the feeling sometimes people need to "get a life"? ITS A RECORD! It cost enough in the first place without having to buy inner sleeves that cost more than the record!
my collection is worth more than your car do you not service your car. All the old paper sleeves contain acid that turns paper yellow and leeches onto vinyl thus all need replacing. A costly venture when you have 5,000 albums at .20 each is a thousand bucks. I did spend 700.00 for a VPI record cleaner as well preserved, CLEAN vinyl is the only thing that sounds GREAT. It is "all about the music" (quote from "Music Direct").
Thank you for taking your time to explain this. I am new to LP-world and since I am very interested in 1960's records - I was searching for a best way to protect them as much as I can, because records like these - when they are gone - they are gone for good - no replacements of any kind. This video was very helpful.
You all prolly dont care but does someone know of a tool to log back into an instagram account..?
I was stupid forgot the login password. I appreciate any tricks you can offer me!
@Drake Rhys instablaster :)
@Sincere Gerald Thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site through google and I'm in the hacking process now.
Seems to take quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
@Sincere Gerald It did the trick and I finally got access to my account again. I am so happy!
Thank you so much, you really help me out :D
@Drake Rhys No problem :D
Thanks for the content. Just got an expensive record washer for my birthday bought some of your sleeves great competitive prices. Now I can put my clean records in new clean sleeves! SleeveCityUSA Rocks!
I've bought about 350 of the inner sleeves from these guys now and they are great.
Thank you! Nice clear and concise presentation (unlike so many other fusspots, I'm not bothered by some background noise in a short video). It's been surprisingly difficult to figure out which inner sleeve is my best bet without spending a bunch more money. The diskeeper 1.5 mm round bottom looks good to me.
Next time, set the mic up next to a hair dryer.
My preferred location is the laundry room.
Thank you for this highly informative video. FYI: The only pink bags I've ever seen are 4 mil anti-static, non-corrosive virgin polyethylene film. These are the same bags that sensitive electronics and computer components are shipped in. Theoretically, that bag would be superior for eliminating static. I'm not sure if it would scratch records or not, but if polyethylene is preferred, as with your '2.0 Diskeeper Inner', then those bags should be amazing for inner sleeves (not to mention they're about $0.16 a piece).
That bag you held up looks a bit flimsy for 4 Mil, so it may not be the aforementioned one above, but I wanted to share the knowledge in case it comes in handy. Thank you again for the great videos. Keep it up!
Avery, thanks for your comments. The pink bags I've come across do not have a very smooth finish, I have heard from people saying they damaged their records.
Is there any benefit to the rice paper layer other than structure? or is the whole point for the structure of it?
I've been buying the 1.5 round bottom inner sleeves for years from Sleeve City and they are the best!
I received a few packs of the Ultimate Audiophile Sleeves a while back so I could try them out...they are FANTASTIC. I've been using the poly-lined paper sleeves and the paper fibers were driving me crazy. I cleaned some records as well as some new purchases and popped into the Ultimate's and I'm 100% happy with them. Nice an slick, but stiff enough to hold shape. Not a paper fiber to be found. I will be swapping out every record in my collection with these.
When I take a record in and out of a sleeve, I "bow" the sleeve while inserting and removing the record! That prevents a lot! But like you said, it doesn't prevent dirt from getting in! And the record has to eventually touch the sleeve when you put it away! But "bowing" helps keep the record from scraping against it!
Was your microphone inside of an aquarium?
Not inside the aquarium, but right next to my 175 gallon. Will def. turn the pumps off next time!
....🤣
@hurkamur1
The PVC outer sleeves stay clear no matter how old they are. Only thing that changes, they harden and may crack at the corners due to the escape of the weakeners. The outer sleeves that are slightly cloudy and soft are made of polyethelene, the only plastic suitable for protecting the outer sleeves. You might consider keeping the PVC sleeves if lined inner sleeves are used. Migration of softeners into the PVC is blocked by polyethelene-lined inner sleeves. (records are made of specially formulated PVC, but it depends what formula is used. Some PVC might not resemble the other chemically, that fact might explain the one PVC is rather immune for softener migration than the other). These migrations are also known under another name: free radicals. Remember the gases escaping from particle board? It resembles the effects softeners cause escaping from soft PVC. Difference is old particle board fumes might damage our health. Despite all that, both are so called free radicals.
Your Ultimate Sleeeves are fantastic! I would recommend one improvement. The bottom of the sleeves are a bit flimsy. Maybe add a 1/4 inch or so reinforcement at the bottom of the sleeve? That would really be great protection.
Yeah those low density poly sleeves on old albums actually oozes a plastic film onto the record. But I've used the high density poly eth lined paper sleeves for years and never had trouble with the paper coming unglued from poly eth material. The straight high density poly eth sleeves without the paper feel too flimsy IMHO. Those round bottom sleeves do look great for the old classical Lps that have the tight fit like the really early 50s Columbia albums. Thanks for the informative vid.
Thank you for sharing a comparison video as well as your experiences with each!!! Exactly what I was looking for!
I love the HDPE 2.0 Sleeve City inners. I started using them on all my records a few months ago. What I do is insert them into the current paper inner sleeves if they have any artwork or lyrics on them. Good results, low static & the best part is it doesn't cause any light scratches like many other sleeves. I hate the round bottom ones though, have to say. One thing about the really old fashioned rice paper sleeves, that I sadly just replaced with the HDPE 2.0, they work well on older records from the 50's - 70's, and the smell of old vinyl on rice paper is just amazing. What are the best outer sleeves you would suggest for gatefold covers?
Was this filmed underwater???
I could hear you just fine and unlike every other unappreciative spoiled winy baby commenting on this video. I would like to thank you for your time spent on this video and the info on these sleeves. I will be ordering soon! Thank you very much!
Exactly!
Who let the sleeve city guy’s mom in?
Strange that you would lay the record on a wooden crate!
Hilarity @2:43. I'm surprised he didn't add that "paper can catch fire!" ;)
I got that same pink one is some new Hendrix releases. I replaced them with the poly sleeves you sell on Sleeve City
Like the double sleeve. More room inside the jacket
We put records IN the sleeve, thus, touching the poly material and not the paper. How would 2:56 even remotely be a situation.
I have bought new records with the pink hue on the inner sleeves. When I would put my fingers inside the sleeve I would end up with residue on them. I don't understand why a pressing plant would use something like that. I throw stuff like that away and put the record in a Mobile Fidelity sleeve which I really like. The Mobile Fidelity sleeves look a lot like the rice paper sleeves you showed. Acoustic sounds also uses a sleeve like that for their records. I wonder if they are made by the same company.
Cool retro Peaches record crate back there!
A little Yes, but mostly No. At 4:25 he uses a sleeve that can easily fold back on itself at the corners when inserted into the LP sleeve, thereby risking vinyl scuffing. Best to use a harder outer sleeve with a rice paper interior, which won't adhere to the vinyl like a poly interior.
I'm not one to play my albums to the extent paper sleeves become an issue. As long as they are acid free and of good quality my collection is happy. In my experience those fancy poly sleeves are difficult to incert into the outer sleeve.
Very nice
I've bought a vinyl and it came with the inner sleeve and it scratches it, while I have another one with a paper sleeve with less scratches. Can anyone help?
invogled, thanks for your comment, although I did point out the material was a high density polyethylene; the pink hue really indicates the material was not designed for records.
Is it bad for the record to store it on the shelf outside of the jacket but in one of the "Ultimate Audiophile Inner Sleeve?"
This oppinion coming from someone that works for Sleeve City
So of this is overkill. If your collection is near mint high dollar collector records sure but if you collect for the fun of it and have lots of commons, and crate digging rescues a decent paper or poly inner sleeve is all you need. That and handle your records with care.
funny I bought a 100 pack inner paper sleeves from....you guessed it, Sleeve City lol
I would like to go a bit further than that and WARN for the PVC jacket protection sleeves. The softeners in the PCV tend to attack the PVC vinyl records are made of. This process takes years so any newbees should be well aware of the danger. So never use PVC outer sleeves and use polyethylene sleeves instead. These sleeves come in several thicknesses, the thicker ones are less transparent but do their job just as good as the thinner ones. A record that has been attacked by softeners coming from PVC outer sleeves have a duller surface and there will be excessive surface noise. Needless to say these records are damaged beyond repair, cleaning won't help either. This warning goes for all PVC based vinyl records, styrene is immune for PVC softeners. Styrene was used by some USA based record factories for 7 inch 45rpm records. These 7inches were injection molded instead of pressed.
Thanks for the info, I'm pretty sure a bunch of my records still have PVC outers. And my local shop still sells them. Those are the thick soft ones that get cloudy over the years?
He must be doing his laundry!!!!😎
I want to order sleeves but you guys are ALWAYS out of stock :/
Thanks again.
not so much an unbiased comparison, more a straight out sales pitch....
+lakepipes52 true, but you can tell that this is good product at least.
Then don't buy them.
I mean, he says at one point "you can get lots of different kinds, these just happen to be ours" so he wasn't wasn't pushing his brand that hard but rather discussing the best options and using his company's version since he works for them.
Informative video and well presented too. You clearly know your sleeves, but is business so bad that you cannot afford a proper desk ? And what was all the background noise ?
I recently changed out those terrible sleeves on all my new Blue Note Music Matters and ORG reissues. I can’t believe these top reissue labels would use a sleeve that would ruin these high records. You can easily spot these because they turn a very strange color.
they discolor from deposit leaving acids in paper. You need (ideally) museum quality. Proper handling and CLEANING & they will sound new in 50 years+.
Hey, redo this video, but not on wash day, all i heard was the washer, and dryer, poor video!
Tapping them down on your bench causes split seams.You should know better
mickey tamla so does dropping them quickly into the sleeves!
All that banging on the table is probably ruining the outer sleeves anyway, let alone splinters from the crate !
Thank you, BTW I loved Peaches Records and Tapes, back in the day........But it was the worst place to store Records ever, in thier wood crates! torn my Album Cover to He..........this was before i put my albums in the outer plastic covers!
Hello, they are of poor quality, we discontinued them several years ago.
@@sleevecity4827 you worked at or for Peaches?
Btw I have Acquire some Albums that were headed to the "dump" Some of the Albums Jackets had 2 Disc in a jacket meant of course for one Disc. Where can I get Plain Outer Jackets to house the Orphans?
could you have anymore ambient noise in your video?
I use nothing but the ultimate disckeeper double sided with the center hole... they are simply the best there is.next time... turn off the washing machine before making the video dude!
Don't bother until we can here you
You can also store the record in the jacket with the opening facing "up"! Facing the opening of the sleeve with the opening of the jacket, can easily cause your LP's to fall out of the jacket! That's bad! And one thing you said that I disagree with, and is common sense! DO NOT PUT TWO RECORDS IN THE SAME SLEEVE! It will scar the hell out of your record's! That is NOT a smart thing to do!
Nice explanation, but OMG u have so much background noise, and not a decent hi rez camera....truly detracts and distracts from the important message about record sleeves to protect records with different solutions.
Sounds like your in a WW 2
submarine!!
U-33
ALARM!!!!!!
Scratchy paper sleeve Depthcharges!!!
Dive! Dive!!
you need to instigate silent running.
I love the banging of the paper sleeve on the record! Of course, we all do that when we put our records away don't we? Do you get the feeling sometimes people need to "get a life"? ITS A RECORD! It cost enough in the first place without having to buy inner sleeves that cost more than the record!
Record's are far more fragile than digital media! It's the price to pay for the superiority of analogue!
Sounds like a Toilet constantly Flushing!
Damka Sleeves are also highly recommended : ua-cam.com/video/DWyf2A9p5QQ/v-deo.html
Hard to hear with the mic in the fuckin ocean 😂🤣😃😛
Seems to be a lot of opinion with no scientific testing analysis or explanation
Then don't buy them.
who cares about record sleeves....
People who care about records.
my collection is worth more than your car do you not service your car. All the old paper sleeves contain acid that turns paper yellow and leeches onto vinyl thus all need replacing. A costly venture when you have 5,000 albums at .20 each is a thousand bucks. I did spend 700.00 for a VPI record cleaner as well preserved, CLEAN vinyl is the only thing that sounds GREAT. It is "all about the music" (quote from "Music Direct").
Nuckleheads like you that steal lousy sounding music off of the internet! What an asinine comment! I bet your under 30!