I wouldn't be surprised if Alpharius was currently alive and on Terra running a hotdog stand right outside the gates of the imperial palace for the last twelve thousand years. Edit: since you all enjoy yapping it's 233 feet (71 meters)-tall.
Some 2 thousand year old custodian standing at the gate pondering... Wait a second, I recognise him from way back.. how long has that guy been around here for again?
We aready know that the Primarchs have special souls due to The Emperor's warp shenanigans, and that Alpharius and Omegon share a single such soul between them. My theory is that their super Primarch warp ability is to share that soul with the members of their legion too, so that they are indeed all "Alpharius" at least at times. The Emperor intended the entire legion to function literally as a single person, because there's no operational security better than only one person knowing about the operation.
It could really be interesting to see Alpha Legion having both loyalist and traitor rules when GW eventually puts them in the spotlight with that lore + model refresh.
what lore model refresh? the next one im figuring is probably DE or EC. you think they will do they other legions besides the big 4 and the black legion?
I mean in Heresy rules Alpha Legion characters do not have an allegiance, despite being in the Traitor book, the rest of the other Primarchs there are Traitor locked. The only things Alpha Legion have allegiance locked is one Loyalist Warlord trait, and a random pdf unit download for Skorr which he's locked to traitor
I hope End and the Death Part 2 ends with a big exposition about the state of Terra and the destruction caused but then cuts to a small scene of John Grammaticus getting repeatedly shanked by an anathame blade
Alpha legion are by far the most interesting legion imo. I am a firm believer of the theory that alpharius and omegon switched places publically. The original alpharius (now omegon) would never betray the emperor. I think omegon (now alpharius) did go traitor, at least at the start of the heresy. I really hope that one day alpharius will return to the setting after waking up the hiden alpha legionaries under the pallace on terra to shake the setting up a bit but realistically if it does happen we wont even know that it did.
Here's what I'm wondering though. Terra has been stated to be the most overpopulated planet in the Imperium for several millennia yet at no point has anyone discovered the giant Alpha legion army beneath the Imperial Palace?
@@parkermaisterra8532 i mean i doubt the high lords are chomping at the bits to create public housing in the catacombs and secret tunnels under the god emperors pallace
And I was in this same camp, believing that they swapped and Alpharius would be loyal. For me it was.... 1) Omegon killed by Dorn because Alpharius was trained by Malcador for decades and would not be identified by Dorn and Alpharius would know it was pointless to try and reason with Dorn. 2) It was Omegon that needed the legion to go public and get the accolades because Omegon was raised in total isolation and with no living contact on a death world. 3) Omegon never interacted with the Emperor (his dad) because the Emperor would have immediately know he was a twin, so Omegon would have no real loyalty. 4) Alpharius was the only primarch who could (and did) interact with common people. Alpharius had empathy for them. Omegon needed glory and "challenge" so in a few conquests showed off at the expense of the common people. Also, making a decision to side with Chaos and screwing over all the common people is not something I could see Alpharius doing where Omegon (raised in isolation on dead world) might be able to make the purely logical choice and not consider the human cost.... And after an interaction with Mike Brown, all this is absolutely wrong. Alpharius Leroy Jenkins into Dorn and is dead.... I was told something to the effect, "by that time Fulgrim had another set of arms and snake body, things were crazy". Like WTF does that have to do with Alpharius and Alpha Legion? Anyways, yeah....
My favorite alpha legion group are the penitent sons, not only are they loyalist I’m pretty sure they believe in the imperial cult and they all have spikes in their helmets that constantly stab them as a form of repentance for their legions sins
Image the sheer intrigue where the combat is set not in a battlefield, but in infiltrating(and counter infiltrations, then counter counter infiltrations) of countless chapters. Like in the background of novels dedicated to completely unrelated topic you see hints at a loyalist infiltration to eliminate a traitor infiltration. And then this happens throughout the novels being released.
I really like the Alpha Legion. I love the fact that there are concentrations of Alpha Legion warriors just laying about in stasis waiting to get up and become a plot point. I believe you are correct about Omegon being dead as well. I believe the Personality that orchestrated the freking BLOOD GAMEs as a way of demonstrating a threat to his father would never have gotten into a maniacal bad guy speach. I believe that the "true" Alpharius is a loyalist and how cool would it be if the Alpharius in 40k helping Gregor Eisenhorn or even better.... the Yellow King. I also really enjoy your Harlequin avatar and this video earned my subscription. Well done, cousin.
Alpharius (or what ever) has Dorn in stasis, he rescued his brother as he was about to be killed. It makes sense to me, he is keeping the one Primarch that he dislikes in stasis until he HAS to let him out.
I'd argue that alpharius has extremely LOW narcicism... for a primarch. He accepts outside opinions and adjusts his way of thinking. He is willing to sacrifice what and whoever he needs to, but he rarely does so needlessly or out of convenience. He is not usually worried about his reputation. The one blind spot where his superior attitude really comes into play is whenever he is talking about his brothers. He is low-key jealous of the ones that get to operate in the limelight and connect with each other while he does the messy work nobody sees, and that builds up a defensive, sour-grapes attitude about his tactics and way of thinking being better than other legions that he sees as being able to afford being more careless and carefree than his. He has the responsibility of an eldest child, the relative strength of a youngest child, and commands a level of attention that even a middle child would find pathetic, so his normal modesty curdles around the topic of his siblings.
One more thing, the later found twin could not stand Dorn, but liked Bobby. And it was reversed for the first found. That tells me the later found is the one Dorn gave a haircut. He spent the first half of the book just stunting on Dorn
@Live! From The Black Library You were right that he does not trust Dorn, but he respects him. First thinks Bobby is a stick in the mud and lacks imagination. The Second thinks Dorn is an, to borrow from AD Ric, illiterate.
@Live! From The Black Library I do think you are wrong about the two specific battles where Dorn and Bobby got mad, but otherwise, 100% on point. The mass execution of all the nobles at once reeks of the flourish of #2. And ignoring Bobby and trying to teach him the perks of infiltration and sabotage could be really either, and since it makes Bobby mad and look dumb, I say #1
Alpharius and Omegon share one soul. I have theory, that in order for either of the twins to truly die, they both have to be killed at the same time. Otherwise the aspect of the shared Alpharius-Omegon soul simply posses an Alpha Legion Marine. The Primarch soul then mutates the marine into a new Alpharius/Omegon.
@@ianharrison5758 I think that the half soul of omegon, after his dead at hands of dorn, just mixed with the soul of alpharius, making him a total primarch, with now his full powers, and controling all the legion, like he is everyone of the alpha legion, he can change bodies with anyone at any point of the galaxy
Alpharius secretly struck a deal with the Deceiver to manipulate parts of the Legion into bringing Blackstone to the galactic core. But where is Alpharius now? Well in the novel Penitent, Eisenhorn gets a vision of the King in Yellow, and beside the King In Yellow, is a figure in blue armour. Well, blue comes in many shades. The hidden citadel of the King in Yellow has a massive amount of resources. Which Primarch is extremely skilled in recruiting and manipulating, as well as covering tracks?
It would be insane if The King in Yellow actually is Constantine Valdor, and the figure in blue is “Alpharius” The characters have deep history. It was Valdor who caught Alpharius posted like Gabi from AOT ready to put the emperor in a montage. It was that encounter that lead to the creation of the blood games. They would have known of eachothers movements by necessity. Alpharius because hes the primarch of the Space marine CIA/Spec ops legion, it’s his job to know everything, and there’s not a chance Valdor wouldn’t keep his own eyes on him, since not only was his first impression a seeming assassination attempt, but it’s made very clear that Valdor does not trust the primarchs as a whole. A primarch that has some of the imperiums most sensitive secrets, informants on every level, knowledge of forbidden places, and all the resources needed to use that information for galaxy spanning affect is top of his list of potential threats. I’m not sure how well the 2 got along, but given that one of Valdors first moves when he finds out Horus betrayed them was to send elite assassin squads from the shadows, he seemed to appreciate the efficiency of doing your work in shadows. The two would be a formidable force for anyone
The problem with Valdor working with Alpharius is that Valdor would at least know that the Alpha Legion fought the Imperial Fists. So I don't think he would be as trusting of Alpharius.
Ive been a Warhammer fan for years and read dozens of books, over the years Ive thought about the verse a TON and had endless ours of internal discussion and i love this channel so much because it feels like i get to sit in on that in someone else's mind. Its both satisfying and kinda validating in a way 😆. Anyway long story short, love your content bro. Could watch this all day!
All the lore videos I've watched and it took you to help me get it straight. Alpharius was the first, never lost, the sneakier. He passed his name to his brother when he was found, and he, with his bolder personality, xenos spear and gorgeous plate, became the face of the legion, its Primarch, Alpharius. Because "Presentation!" And Alpharius became Omegon. Then Alpharius played stupid games with a Primarch who doesn't play games, and Alpharius, who became Omegon, was Alpharius again. So they were and are both Alpharius. The Terra raised and still alive Alpharius was also Omegon.
Yes. Alpharius pretended to be Omegon and Omegon pretended to be Alpharius. Dorn killed the Alpharius that was really Omegon and now Alpharius that was pretending to be Omegon is now pretending to be Omegon pretending to be Alpharius. Even though he actually IS Alpharius. Can't make it any simpler than that!
This, this is exactly what I think, Omegon is still around somewhere. At the very least the man is renegade (third path) or is still loyal to the Emperor in some way, shape or form. Also, yes I think he's either Cypher, or that Deathrow character (I have yet to read Eisenhorn). In all likelihood, the "Alpharius" that died on Esquador, is one of the Elite first company (probably around the same stature and standing as Pech) after having drunk his Primarch's blood as you theorized.
YES! In both "deaths" of Alpharius it was a marine with what I like to call "The Investiture of the Three-fold Serpent." Neither Alpharius nor Omegan is dead. Now here is the kicker, what if there is a third Primarch; what if Alpharius & Omegan aren't twins, what IF Alpharius, Omegan, & Alpharius Omegan are actually TRIPLETS!? I mean, they ARE the Three-fold Serpent! Also there are three origin stories for the 20th legion's "primarch." 1) Primarch lands on Terra & is found by The Emperor. 2) Primarch lands on an unnamed, uninhabited planet amidst ruins, eventually killing pirates who stumble upon the ruins he was in. 3) Primarch lands on a world that is a techno-oligarchy (the name escapes me at the moment), & is eventually was enslaved by the Slaugth; only to later escape, rebel, & defeat his captors & begin his rag tag militia fleet that Horus finds. What if all 3 are true? Just a thought........HYDRA DOMINATUS!!!
Also regarding Alpharius' disagreements with Guilliman it was further elaborated on in the Blood of the Emperor Anthology short story Council of Truth where Alpharius submits to an inquiry about that campaign and his reasoning for using those methods in contrast to Guilliman's. It was an interesting read and showed how long a view Alpharius/Omegon could be.
This was SOO good, they must be a pain to make, and I really hope it gets rewarded with views and new subs, but I love these long form deep dives, it’s really great
HYDRA DOMINATUS!!! Maybe best Alpharius/Omegon theory video yet And thank you for clarifying thst Alpharius is Omegon and/or Alpharius and that Omegon is Alpharius and/or Omegon 😊
I enjoy the long discussions. I like hearing about all the interconnected stuff within 1 video. Like if I have to switch between 3 lore videos to understand something, it’s just too much. A nice breakdown over a good period of time is the perfect way to absorb the information.
In the amazing piece of fan fiction that is Rise of Tau, Alpharius was there all along, in plain sight, disguised as...Well, I wouldn't like to spoil it for anyone, but it would be fitting even for the current 40K canon :D
@@diegogisbertllorens7416 yeah thats a real blast from the past. i think was reading that back in 2014(?) im not 100 on when it was but yeah its one of if not the longest FF out there for 40k.
Always like to think there are loyalist Alpha legion chapters currently operating within the empire. Because no one knew what they were up to. So they took the second founding to seed some of their own.
The idea of them is awesome. However, it is kind of tricky writing them. How do you have the master planner return after 10,000 years of planning and not have it be a let down?
I very much so wish for alpharius to call at least one of his traitor sons the pretentious primarch equivalent of a bitch when he comes back Jokes aside it'd be quite interesting to see valdor and the guy who started the blood games confront eachother. Maybe he'd point out that Valdor has gone mad or hijack his operation. It'd be cool to see
I'm still awestruck at how much passion and enthusiasm 40k fans like you show for the lore. I have 0 interest in the minis or painting. I just play some of the video games but mostly read books and listen to lore videos like yours.
Agreed, I’m on book 17 of the HH series, have played the video games for years, but haven’t gotten into the miniature world of things. I used to paint Gundam a LOT but that was the 90s
I like the idea that “Omegon” is the primarch who was found first and “Alpharius” is the one who was found last. “Alpharius” is the name used both for identifying the primarch of the legion and for what the “Alpha Legion” is named after. It all seems very obvious and kinda demanding of attention, which fits for the second primarch’s description. “Omegon” is the name nobody knows and as such it allows that person to remain far more hidden in the background. Something that the primarch who was found first was shown to do and value as not being noticed or known opens up opportunities.
I do like the idea that the alpha legion are so damn complex that even it's hard to tell what they are about even with years of lore to go on... I can see why they could be frustrating but also lovable as well.
The alpha legion are deadass a lore milestone. You have to have a pretty broad understanding of the lore to fully understand what’s happening in regards to the alpha legion, and trying to figure out the primarchs is a true scholarly practice
The reading for this book was: Alpharius Head of the Hydra, Legion, The Serpent Beneath, Praetorian of Dorn, Deliverance Lost, The End and The Death Vol 1, Bequin Pariah, Bequin Penitent, Sons of the Hydra, Shroud of Night, Harrowmaster, With notes from: Luther First of the Fallen, Cypher Lord of the Fallen, and others
Big E had 3 "First Sons"; one for Each of his primary Egos. The True First, The Lion, the Stubborn single-minded and ruthless avenger. The Real First, Alpharius, the embodiment of intelligence, intrigue, and secrecy...the closest to who Big E really is at heart. The First Son, Horus, the orchestrated first found, the Emperor exactly as he wants the universe to see him; brutal in battle but measured and intelligent in choosing engagements as well as approachable and loved. The Image the Emperor wanted is destroyed and can never again be. The True First, the Emperor's Vengeance has become tempered by time. His True self is all that is left, travelling the galaxy as Cypher of the Dark Angels with one goal, to stand before the Emperor and recite the code word Xenophon.
When I look at the Forge World Alpharius and my tiny, puny nineties alpha legion tactical marines there's no way that giant model could pass as another legionnairy. It's too BIG!!!!!!!
I don’t think they got past Lion El’Johnson, I think he knew it was a Primarch in front of him, but unlike Dorne who can’t help but shout what he sees as the truth to high heaven, the Lion keeps his mouth shut because he doesn’t want Alpharius/Omegon to know he has that ability. After all, his geneseed’s psycher specialty is “Interomancy”
To be fair to Alpharius doesn't the Emperor have a contingency for the Dark Angels to wipe out humanity if it was the only way left to destroy Chaos? 😅 And wait, doesn't John Grammaticus show up in a lot of the Siege of Terra Books? 😛
Im still relatively new Warhammer (Four months of lore watching) and omegon is my favorite primarch ( tied with Angron for the soul reason of what he could have been without the Butchers nails) and this was exactly what i needed to learn more about the alpha legion. Thank you so much for this 🙏🙏🙏
4:30 in fairness the Twins kinda are usually the smartest ones in the room. I'd argue the dumbest thing Alpharius (or more likely Omegon) ever did was assume Rogal Dorn wouldn't sperg out and kill him, which based or Dorns previous behavior was a bad assumption to make. I mean just look how he reacted when Garro told him of the betrayal at Isstvan.
As someone who doesn't have a whole lot of time to read the books, I really appreciated the thorough amount of research that went into this. I think you explained yourself and every perspective and theory with the finesse of a true academic. I personally am a fan of the theory that the first-found, quiet Omegon is either disguised as Cypher or Deathrow. Or, if his power has grown at all since his later-found twin died, perhaps he has more advanced abilities to blend in? For example, being able to appear as a normal human, or even the opposite gender, with or without hair, of different skin colors, etc... Kind of like how the Emperor would often disguise himself to infiltrate human society, or upon his first meetings with some primarchs, like Vulkan or Leman Russ. The options for who Omegon could be would open up even wider.
impressive video! nice to see everything put together for a change rather than people just focusing on one little aspect of this. I like the path they seem to have chosen for alpharius omegon. I like the arc that he’s the hero no one will ever know about no matter how much you want the loyalists to find out, it’s the little storylines like this why I love the grimdark.
Well researched and well sourced. I am really thankful there are scholars like you in the fandom. Mostly just posting to boost your #metrics. Keep up the good work, King.
He didn't. John grammaticus is almost one of the protagonists in the final part of the siege of terra 😂. It's known what happens with those legionaries that were asleep,etc. I liked the format and there's not much many errors, but when it is about expeculation, just one thing can spoil the whole thing
If he comes back into the spotlight, what a treasure trove of stories. All the books we've read but his perspective. His part in the different story arcs. Short stories, novels, it seems like too much money for Gamesworkshop to not happen.
Well done! Me too! With added black metal spikes and deer antlers on the dark commune helmets! A bit of a northern pagan flavor. I also secretly put some Akhelian Green/blue on the Inquisition team here and there. Alpha Legion base humans hiding in plain sight 🤘
I haven't read any of the Alpha Legion books, so this was nice for me. In general only the Imperium factions that are known get coverage, so it makes for a nice change.
Imagine during the final battle against chaos everyone is thier fighting for the fate of the galaxy new,old alive and dead and one of the chaos gods basically suffers from a chest burster to reveal the alive twin screaming i am the sword in the dark and kills or severly wounds or something the other chaos gods.
How have I never seen this gem of a channel before. I mean if you get a Tyranid to play Zorak and using a Spank-Ray, I’m gonna lose my collective shiz!
If I could like this video more than once I would. You've hit all the points that I keep telling people on why I think Alpharius/Omegon is still alive and loyal. You're also one of the few people I've seen so far actually bring up the distinct difference between the twins, which I'm honestly I'm glad for since it's gotten to the point that I was starting to think I was crazy for the thinking there was. Overall, amazing video and very enjoyable to listen to. Keep up the great work.
I dont always agree with your take on things but this video is exceptional. I'm about halfway through it and this is a fantastic well thought out take. Some things I thought, some I hadn't thought of, but a lot of it makes sense. Okay, back to the video.
Honestly, your channel is top tier 40k content. The only channel that’s got you beat is Luetin, everyone else just kinda spews surface level BS. Really glad I came across this channel
This is one of the best synthesis of current Alpha Legion lore. It's a good job that some sort of lunatic like you might well be, has got this down. So slightly less lunatics can sit down and have a good think
ok... i had a odd thought... could Big E have used part of the Deceiver to make the twins? That shard tricking Alpha legion gave me that lil thought What if he had that grey armor because (starting wise) he fought as a grey shield
I’ve heard the theories about Cypher really being one of the twins before over and over, thrown out as just a fun/interesting idea (which it is, even without any real evidence). But nobody, that I’ve listened to, has really broken it down like you did and made it make sense.
It makes sense, the imperium is 10k years old and so vulnerable that having help form the shadows keeping the imperium up for the last 10k years. Would be a good way to write that off, in the way of “why hasn’t the imperium fallen yet”.
@@livefromtheblacklibrary well it was definitely interesting seeing even a perpetual be surprised and tripped up in things. I had to go through that book and Prospero Burns twice. There is just too much. Horus Rising Galaxy in Flames Mechanicum Flight of the Eisenstein Garro Legion 1000 Sons are my favorite novels so far; I feel the HH is the perfect point to have started the deep dive into the lore, there are so many amazing stories on either side of that timeline. #HENRYCAVILLASGARVIELLOKEN
You have this the otherwsy round alpharius is the arrogant one bc he was found first, he eas tasked and trainrd by malacdor to hide from his brothers and do all these covert ops and he led his legion for so long. Omegon had no where near as many accomplishments which is why he was never as arrogant.
COOL this is my favorite story i agree with you bout 99 percent i also he has to be cypher it would be now stupid if it wasent also think about it the dark angeks where first legion he had time to sneak around them respect them in a weird way on secrets
This channel, and this video especially, convinced me that the Alpha Legion are absolutely my favorite traitor legion (I use traitor liberally here, because they’re generally classified under “traitor legions” by media). As if the turquoise armor with scales and hydra aesthetic wasn’t enough
All the primaris are actually Alpha Legion. The surviving primarch has been collectief gene-seed from all the legions and worked with cawl to 'be the Sword in the druk, and protect what was buikt' ❤
Something I really like is in a fan fic Alpharius is alive but hurt so bad that they can only be awake for a few hours every few years and when he does actually fight in the fic it’s in a giant dreadnaught
I'm sorry but at 8:00 you talk about John Grammaticus and you say he only appeared in Legion, I think he is in like 10 books. He put the mine collar on Pech, I believe. Great vid btw! Hydra dominatus!!
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Most people dont spend enough time on the Alpha Legion, while your video covered stuff most of the others dont talk about. A new video to paint to :)
Dude this was a pleasure to listen to: I don't get alot of stimulating 40k conversation with true scholars like yourself. Very few people have read and retained as many books as would be required to make a rant this comprehensive. Thank you.
Incidentally a Cipher is an item used to solve a coded puzzle so that storyline would make for a clever name Although I also really like the Eisenhorn theory Awesome video btw
Thanks for this. Prompted me to get into the 40k Alpha Legion novels. I like your closing statements concerning a 'hidden' civil war within Alpha Legion. Acts as a nice counterpoint to the more 'overt', in t our eyes, civil war with respect to the Dark Angels. Nice bookending....
Thanks for making this. I also believe Alpharius (first Primarch found) is the one alive. If so, he may end up being the most important key player for the end game.
Alpharius who was really omegon died which led omegon who was really alpharius to change his name from omegon to alpharius in memory of alpharius who is really omegon.
46:50 Sorry guys, this video has extra entertainment. I get confused when people apologize for making long videos. I'm watching this because it's damned entertaining, I'd be happy with a six hour video so I don't need to look for another one every hour.
Most of what I think lomes up woth the video aside from a few things. I think it was Omegon who was with the Emperor the entire time. It makes more sense to me that Omegon was separate from the other Primarchs when the Chaos Gods Wizard of Oz'ed the other 20 away since he would have been the spare considering he was kept secret indicated by the names. When the brothers reunited, they got on the same wavelength pretty quickly. Alpharius, the dominant, fell under the control of the Cabal due to their loyalty to the Emperor, but also not being able to witness that he had his shit on lockdown the way Omegon has. Omegon was not able to dispute his brother, who was dominant, and rolled with it. When Alpharius died to Dorn getting Mortal Kombat, Finished Omegon couldn't take hold of the entire legion due to the corruption Alpharius had let into the legion. Omegon went into hiding so he could keep his loyalties a secret and went under the alias of Alpharius to further hid himself while he manipulated the legion from the shadows. But I'm no lore fanatic, I just find Alpha Legion fun, so let me know your theories.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Alpharius was currently alive and on Terra running a hotdog stand right outside the gates of the imperial palace for the last twelve thousand years.
Edit: since you all enjoy yapping it's 233 feet (71 meters)-tall.
Some 2 thousand year old custodian standing at the gate pondering...
Wait a second, I recognise him from way back.. how long has that guy been around here for again?
@@matthewspencer2094he can cloak himself to be someone Else using his psyker Powers.
He'd charge extra for mustard.
Pluto's easily one of the core reasons I'm with Alpharius; he would never waste his time arguing with Dorn, especially not mid-invasion/battle.
EXACTLY 👏👏👏
@@livefromtheblacklibrary unless, that was the plan all along…
Primaries can't help chatting shit with each other it's in the genes, I should know im alphadius hahaha ha Haa!!
@@phantomwraith1984I live!!!! I'm Alpharius ha ha ha ha haaaa!!!
@@phantomwraith1984Alpharius and Omegon both live.
We aready know that the Primarchs have special souls due to The Emperor's warp shenanigans, and that Alpharius and Omegon share a single such soul between them. My theory is that their super Primarch warp ability is to share that soul with the members of their legion too, so that they are indeed all "Alpharius" at least at times. The Emperor intended the entire legion to function literally as a single person, because there's no operational security better than only one person knowing about the operation.
That’s an interesting theory!
@@livefromtheblacklibrary A Omega Theory 🎉🎉🎉
T H A N K S F O R W A T C H I N G
I've had that same thought to. Not that he's a super primarch but he shares his soul with the legion
That would make alot of sense and logical thing for the emorer to do/make.
“I am Omegon!”
~An Alpha Legion member that didn’t quite get the memo
It could really be interesting to see Alpha Legion having both loyalist and traitor rules when GW eventually puts them in the spotlight with that lore + model refresh.
YEAH!
I'm literally waiting for this before I buy more models. Although I'm converting some Blade guard to Alpha Legion in the meantime
what lore model refresh? the next one im figuring is probably DE or EC. you think they will do they other legions besides the big 4 and the black legion?
I mean in Heresy rules Alpha Legion characters do not have an allegiance, despite being in the Traitor book, the rest of the other Primarchs there are Traitor locked.
The only things Alpha Legion have allegiance locked is one Loyalist Warlord trait, and a random pdf unit download for Skorr which he's locked to traitor
Hard going to get into a new army when Alpha Legion get the Death Guard treatment. heck I'll play them if they get the Thousand Sons treatment.
"John Grammaticus would never appear again" if only that were true
We can manifest the retconning of John Grammaticus if we all believe hard enough
I hope End and the Death Part 2 ends with a big exposition about the state of Terra and the destruction caused but then cuts to a small scene of John Grammaticus getting repeatedly shanked by an anathame blade
Alpha legion are by far the most interesting legion imo. I am a firm believer of the theory that alpharius and omegon switched places publically. The original alpharius (now omegon) would never betray the emperor. I think omegon (now alpharius) did go traitor, at least at the start of the heresy. I really hope that one day alpharius will return to the setting after waking up the hiden alpha legionaries under the pallace on terra to shake the setting up a bit but realistically if it does happen we wont even know that it did.
Same, it would be so cheap if they just kill off the sleeping Alpha Legion
Here's what I'm wondering though. Terra has been stated to be the most overpopulated planet in the Imperium for several millennia yet at no point has anyone discovered the giant Alpha legion army beneath the Imperial Palace?
@@parkermaisterra8532 i mean i doubt the high lords are chomping at the bits to create public housing in the catacombs and secret tunnels under the god emperors pallace
And I was in this same camp, believing that they swapped and Alpharius would be loyal. For me it was....
1) Omegon killed by Dorn because Alpharius was trained by Malcador for decades and would not be identified by Dorn and Alpharius would know it was pointless to try and reason with Dorn.
2) It was Omegon that needed the legion to go public and get the accolades because Omegon was raised in total isolation and with no living contact on a death world.
3) Omegon never interacted with the Emperor (his dad) because the Emperor would have immediately know he was a twin, so Omegon would have no real loyalty.
4) Alpharius was the only primarch who could (and did) interact with common people. Alpharius had empathy for them. Omegon needed glory and "challenge" so in a few conquests showed off at the expense of the common people. Also, making a decision to side with Chaos and screwing over all the common people is not something I could see Alpharius doing where Omegon (raised in isolation on dead world) might be able to make the purely logical choice and not consider the human cost....
And after an interaction with Mike Brown, all this is absolutely wrong. Alpharius Leroy Jenkins into Dorn and is dead.... I was told something to the effect, "by that time Fulgrim had another set of arms and snake body, things were crazy". Like WTF does that have to do with Alpharius and Alpha Legion? Anyways, yeah....
not true, we may know if GW wants to make some money
My favorite alpha legion group are the penitent sons, not only are they loyalist I’m pretty sure they believe in the imperial cult and they all have spikes in their helmets that constantly stab them as a form of repentance for their legions sins
It’s an interesting concept for sure!
Image the sheer intrigue where the combat is set not in a battlefield, but in infiltrating(and counter infiltrations, then counter counter infiltrations) of countless chapters. Like in the background of novels dedicated to completely unrelated topic you see hints at a loyalist infiltration to eliminate a traitor infiltration. And then this happens throughout the novels being released.
I really like the Alpha Legion. I love the fact that there are concentrations of Alpha Legion warriors just laying about in stasis waiting to get up and become a plot point.
I believe you are correct about Omegon being dead as well. I believe the Personality that orchestrated the freking BLOOD GAMEs as a way of demonstrating a threat to his father would never have gotten into a maniacal bad guy speach.
I believe that the "true" Alpharius is a loyalist and how cool would it be if the Alpharius in 40k helping Gregor Eisenhorn or even better.... the Yellow King.
I also really enjoy your Harlequin avatar and this video earned my subscription. Well done, cousin.
I 100% agree! I love the sneaky snake boys and I’m really excited with everything being built up for them as of late! And thank you!
Maybe he gives the stolen genetic material from Deliverance Lost to The Yellow King to enable him to work on his winged angel space marines?
Alpharius (or what ever) has Dorn in stasis, he rescued his brother as he was about to be killed. It makes sense to me, he is keeping the one Primarch that he dislikes in stasis until he HAS to let him out.
I'd argue that alpharius has extremely LOW narcicism... for a primarch. He accepts outside opinions and adjusts his way of thinking. He is willing to sacrifice what and whoever he needs to, but he rarely does so needlessly or out of convenience. He is not usually worried about his reputation. The one blind spot where his superior attitude really comes into play is whenever he is talking about his brothers. He is low-key jealous of the ones that get to operate in the limelight and connect with each other while he does the messy work nobody sees, and that builds up a defensive, sour-grapes attitude about his tactics and way of thinking being better than other legions that he sees as being able to afford being more careless and carefree than his. He has the responsibility of an eldest child, the relative strength of a youngest child, and commands a level of attention that even a middle child would find pathetic, so his normal modesty curdles around the topic of his siblings.
Genuinely amazing psychoanalysis. This rings very, very true to me.
The last part about which order of child he is is perfect
Great analysis.
Average analysis.
Bad Analysis.
All these are true… yet all are a lie…
One more thing, the later found twin could not stand Dorn, but liked Bobby. And it was reversed for the first found. That tells me the later found is the one Dorn gave a haircut. He spent the first half of the book just stunting on Dorn
Wait no in Head of the Hydra it’s the first found who hates Dorn I think
@Live! From The Black Library You were right that he does not trust Dorn, but he respects him. First thinks Bobby is a stick in the mud and lacks imagination. The Second thinks Dorn is an, to borrow from AD Ric, illiterate.
@Live! From The Black Library I do think you are wrong about the two specific battles where Dorn and Bobby got mad, but otherwise, 100% on point. The mass execution of all the nobles at once reeks of the flourish of #2. And ignoring Bobby and trying to teach him the perks of infiltration and sabotage could be really either, and since it makes Bobby mad and look dumb, I say #1
Alpharius and Omegon share one soul. I have theory, that in order for either of the twins to truly die, they both have to be killed at the same time. Otherwise the aspect of the shared Alpharius-Omegon soul simply posses an Alpha Legion Marine. The Primarch soul then mutates the marine into a new Alpharius/Omegon.
That’s possible, but I’m not sure it’s more likely than the shared twin soul existing only in the living brother
@@ianharrison5758 I think that the half soul of omegon, after his dead at hands of dorn, just mixed with the soul of alpharius, making him a total primarch, with now his full powers, and controling all the legion, like he is everyone of the alpha legion, he can change bodies with anyone at any point of the galaxy
Alpharius secretly struck a deal with the Deceiver to manipulate parts of the Legion into bringing Blackstone to the galactic core. But where is Alpharius now? Well in the novel Penitent, Eisenhorn gets a vision of the King in Yellow, and beside the King In Yellow, is a figure in blue armour.
Well, blue comes in many shades. The hidden citadel of the King in Yellow has a massive amount of resources. Which Primarch is extremely skilled in recruiting and manipulating, as well as covering tracks?
It would be insane if The King in Yellow actually is Constantine Valdor, and the figure in blue is “Alpharius”
The characters have deep history. It was Valdor who caught Alpharius posted like Gabi from AOT ready to put the emperor in a montage. It was that encounter that lead to the creation of the blood games.
They would have known of eachothers movements by necessity. Alpharius because hes the primarch of the Space marine CIA/Spec ops legion, it’s his job to know everything, and there’s not a chance Valdor wouldn’t keep his own eyes on him, since not only was his first impression a seeming assassination attempt, but it’s made very clear that Valdor does not trust the primarchs as a whole. A primarch that has some of the imperiums most sensitive secrets, informants on every level, knowledge of forbidden places, and all the resources needed to use that information for galaxy spanning affect is top of his list of potential threats.
I’m not sure how well the 2 got along, but given that one of Valdors first moves when he finds out Horus betrayed them was to send elite assassin squads from the shadows, he seemed to appreciate the efficiency of doing your work in shadows.
The two would be a formidable force for anyone
The problem with Valdor working with Alpharius is that Valdor would at least know that the Alpha Legion fought the Imperial Fists. So I don't think he would be as trusting of Alpharius.
Plot twist, omegon killed valdor and is the king in yellow.
That would be wild as hell but I’d be so man I WANT GOLD DAD BACK
Ive been a Warhammer fan for years and read dozens of books, over the years Ive thought about the verse a TON and had endless ours of internal discussion and i love this channel so much because it feels like i get to sit in on that in someone else's mind. Its both satisfying and kinda validating in a way 😆. Anyway long story short, love your content bro. Could watch this all day!
AH THANKS MAN! Yeah you’re exactly the kind of audience I try to appeal to!
All the lore videos I've watched and it took you to help me get it straight.
Alpharius was the first, never lost, the sneakier. He passed his name to his brother when he was found, and he, with his bolder personality, xenos spear and gorgeous plate, became the face of the legion, its Primarch, Alpharius. Because "Presentation!" And Alpharius became Omegon. Then Alpharius played stupid games with a Primarch who doesn't play games, and Alpharius, who became Omegon, was Alpharius again.
So they were and are both Alpharius. The Terra raised and still alive Alpharius was also Omegon.
Yes. Alpharius pretended to be Omegon and Omegon pretended to be Alpharius. Dorn killed the Alpharius that was really Omegon and now Alpharius that was pretending to be Omegon is now pretending to be Omegon pretending to be Alpharius. Even though he actually IS Alpharius. Can't make it any simpler than that!
This, this is exactly what I think, Omegon is still around somewhere. At the very least the man is renegade (third path) or is still loyal to the Emperor in some way, shape or form. Also, yes I think he's either Cypher, or that Deathrow character (I have yet to read Eisenhorn). In all likelihood, the "Alpharius" that died on Esquador, is one of the Elite first company (probably around the same stature and standing as Pech) after having drunk his Primarch's blood as you theorized.
Yeah I feel that‘s what most of us who have like REALLY gotten into the details believe
YES! In both "deaths" of Alpharius it was a marine with what I like to call "The Investiture of the Three-fold Serpent." Neither Alpharius nor Omegan is dead. Now here is the kicker, what if there is a third Primarch; what if Alpharius & Omegan aren't twins, what IF Alpharius, Omegan, & Alpharius Omegan are actually TRIPLETS!? I mean, they ARE the Three-fold Serpent! Also there are three origin stories for the 20th legion's "primarch." 1) Primarch lands on Terra & is found by The Emperor. 2) Primarch lands on an unnamed, uninhabited planet amidst ruins, eventually killing pirates who stumble upon the ruins he was in. 3) Primarch lands on a world that is a techno-oligarchy (the name escapes me at the moment), & is eventually was enslaved by the Slaugth; only to later escape, rebel, & defeat his captors & begin his rag tag militia fleet that Horus finds. What if all 3 are true?
Just a thought........HYDRA DOMINATUS!!!
Also regarding Alpharius' disagreements with Guilliman it was further elaborated on in the Blood of the Emperor Anthology short story Council of Truth where Alpharius submits to an inquiry about that campaign and his reasoning for using those methods in contrast to Guilliman's. It was an interesting read and showed how long a view Alpharius/Omegon could be.
Ahh I see! I haven’t read that one yet!
This was SOO good, they must be a pain to make, and I really hope it gets rewarded with views and new subs, but I love these long form deep dives, it’s really great
It was rough especially since my time kept getting taken
HYDRA DOMINATUS!!!
Maybe best Alpharius/Omegon theory video yet
And thank you for clarifying thst Alpharius is Omegon and/or Alpharius and that Omegon is Alpharius and/or Omegon 😊
I just didn’t want there to be any confusion 🙏
I enjoy the long discussions. I like hearing about all the interconnected stuff within 1 video. Like if I have to switch between 3 lore videos to understand something, it’s just too much. A nice breakdown over a good period of time is the perfect way to absorb the information.
Yeah true!
In the amazing piece of fan fiction that is Rise of Tau, Alpharius was there all along, in plain sight, disguised as...Well, I wouldn't like to spoil it for anyone, but it would be fitting even for the current 40K canon :D
Might just need to check that out 👀
@@livefromtheblacklibrary It's pretty old now, but still an amazing read!
@@diegogisbertllorens7416 yeah thats a real blast from the past. i think was reading that back in 2014(?) im not 100 on when it was but yeah its one of if not the longest FF out there for 40k.
Always like to think there are loyalist Alpha legion chapters currently operating within the empire. Because no one knew what they were up to. So they took the second founding to seed some of their own.
You really sold me on the Alpha Legion in this video. They are a lot more fascinating than I ever thought.
The idea of them is awesome. However, it is kind of tricky writing them. How do you have the master planner return after 10,000 years of planning and not have it be a let down?
I very much so wish for alpharius to call at least one of his traitor sons the pretentious primarch equivalent of a bitch when he comes back
Jokes aside it'd be quite interesting to see valdor and the guy who started the blood games confront eachother. Maybe he'd point out that Valdor has gone mad or hijack his operation. It'd be cool to see
YEAH THAT WOULD SLAP
I'm still awestruck at how much passion and enthusiasm 40k fans like you show for the lore. I have 0 interest in the minis or painting. I just play some of the video games but mostly read books and listen to lore videos like yours.
Thanks man! It’s just such a rich world to dive into and the deep active community makes it fun to be passionate and project one’s voice!
Agreed, I’m on book 17 of the HH series, have played the video games for years, but haven’t gotten into the miniature world of things. I used to paint Gundam a LOT but that was the 90s
I like the idea that “Omegon” is the primarch who was found first and “Alpharius” is the one who was found last. “Alpharius” is the name used both for identifying the primarch of the legion and for what the “Alpha Legion” is named after. It all seems very obvious and kinda demanding of attention, which fits for the second primarch’s description. “Omegon” is the name nobody knows and as such it allows that person to remain far more hidden in the background. Something that the primarch who was found first was shown to do and value as not being noticed or known opens up opportunities.
I love the "space ghost coast to coast" set style.
I think it's a good vibe for the channel.
I use that for the longer videos!
In the end
both we're just a bunch of skaven in the suits yes-yes
I believe this now
I do like the idea that the alpha legion are so damn complex that even it's hard to tell what they are about even with years of lore to go on...
I can see why they could be frustrating but also lovable as well.
It’s what makes them unique!
The alpha legion are deadass a lore milestone. You have to have a pretty broad understanding of the lore to fully understand what’s happening in regards to the alpha legion, and trying to figure out the primarchs is a true scholarly practice
Wow this was a piece of work. This popped up in feed and it's great. Can you make a reading list ? I know you said it but...
The reading for this book was:
Alpharius Head of the Hydra,
Legion,
The Serpent Beneath,
Praetorian of Dorn,
Deliverance Lost,
The End and The Death Vol 1,
Bequin Pariah,
Bequin Penitent,
Sons of the Hydra,
Shroud of Night,
Harrowmaster,
With notes from:
Luther First of the Fallen,
Cypher Lord of the Fallen,
and others
Thanks for making top quality 40k content! Just found your channel and I love it! Your gonna get bigger if you keep this up.
THANKS MAN! I really hope so!
Big E had 3 "First Sons"; one for Each of his primary Egos. The True First, The Lion, the Stubborn single-minded and ruthless avenger. The Real First, Alpharius, the embodiment of intelligence, intrigue, and secrecy...the closest to who Big E really is at heart. The First Son, Horus, the orchestrated first found, the Emperor exactly as he wants the universe to see him; brutal in battle but measured and intelligent in choosing engagements as well as approachable and loved. The Image the Emperor wanted is destroyed and can never again be. The True First, the Emperor's Vengeance has become tempered by time. His True self is all that is left, travelling the galaxy as Cypher of the Dark Angels with one goal, to stand before the Emperor and recite the code word Xenophon.
wasn't xenophon to make the legionares traitors ?
When I look at the Forge World Alpharius and my tiny, puny nineties alpha legion tactical marines there's no way that giant model could pass as another legionnairy. It's too BIG!!!!!!!
DAMN YOU FORGEWORLD
THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID
I don’t think they got past Lion El’Johnson, I think he knew it was a Primarch in front of him, but unlike Dorne who can’t help but shout what he sees as the truth to high heaven, the Lion keeps his mouth shut because he doesn’t want Alpharius/Omegon to know he has that ability. After all, his geneseed’s psycher specialty is “Interomancy”
To be fair to Alpharius doesn't the Emperor have a contingency for the Dark Angels to wipe out humanity if it was the only way left to destroy Chaos? 😅
And wait, doesn't John Grammaticus show up in a lot of the Siege of Terra Books? 😛
Oh I know he does, it’s a joke because I hate him
@@livefromtheblacklibrary
He's the best!
Doubt it, the whole reason the Emperor does what he does is because he loves humanity.
Great lore discussion. Good listen. Dont stress the length of the vid. Was worth it.
Im still relatively new Warhammer (Four months of lore watching) and omegon is my favorite primarch ( tied with Angron for the soul reason of what he could have been without the Butchers nails) and this was exactly what i needed to learn more about the alpha legion. Thank you so much for this 🙏🙏🙏
4:30 in fairness the Twins kinda are usually the smartest ones in the room. I'd argue the dumbest thing Alpharius (or more likely Omegon) ever did was assume Rogal Dorn wouldn't sperg out and kill him, which based or Dorns previous behavior was a bad assumption to make. I mean just look how he reacted when Garro told him of the betrayal at Isstvan.
As someone who doesn't have a whole lot of time to read the books, I really appreciated the thorough amount of research that went into this. I think you explained yourself and every perspective and theory with the finesse of a true academic.
I personally am a fan of the theory that the first-found, quiet Omegon is either disguised as Cypher or Deathrow. Or, if his power has grown at all since his later-found twin died, perhaps he has more advanced abilities to blend in? For example, being able to appear as a normal human, or even the opposite gender, with or without hair, of different skin colors, etc... Kind of like how the Emperor would often disguise himself to infiltrate human society, or upon his first meetings with some primarchs, like Vulkan or Leman Russ. The options for who Omegon could be would open up even wider.
I need a Sisters of Battle video in the coming weeks for Trivia night.
If only GW would give them some love 🥲
"And John Grimmaticus would go on to never appear in another book again" Your honeyed words disguise a bitter truth, xenos...
We must manifest GW into retconning Johnny Graham-Cracker
impressive video! nice to see everything put together for a change rather than people just focusing on one little aspect of this.
I like the path they seem to have chosen for alpharius omegon. I like the arc that he’s the hero no one will ever know about no matter how much you want the loyalists to find out, it’s the little storylines like this why I love the grimdark.
Well researched and well sourced. I am really thankful there are scholars like you in the fandom.
Mostly just posting to boost your #metrics.
Keep up the good work, King.
He didn't. John grammaticus is almost one of the protagonists in the final part of the siege of terra 😂. It's known what happens with those legionaries that were asleep,etc. I liked the format and there's not much many errors, but when it is about expeculation, just one thing can spoil the whole thing
If he comes back into the spotlight, what a treasure trove of stories. All the books we've read but his perspective. His part in the different story arcs. Short stories, novels, it seems like too much money for Gamesworkshop to not happen.
I agree with your theory on their personality differences. It's pretty obvious in Legion
man each primarch is a world on itself warhammer is so fascinating
I appreciate the clarification of clinical vs popular concepts of narcissism. Definitions become muddled with use.
Great video!
Fun fact - I built half of my chaos cultist kill team from Ashes of Faith while listening to it.
Well done! Me too! With added black metal spikes and deer antlers on the dark commune helmets! A bit of a northern pagan flavor. I also secretly put some Akhelian Green/blue on the Inquisition team here and there. Alpha Legion base humans hiding in plain sight 🤘
I haven't read any of the Alpha Legion books, so this was nice for me. In general only the Imperium factions that are known get coverage, so it makes for a nice change.
This was great, got a lot of info i never heard before. That hour flew by
If only it flew by to record too 🥲 also I’m glad you liked it!
Imagine during the final battle against chaos everyone is thier fighting for the fate of the galaxy new,old alive and dead and one of the chaos gods basically suffers from a chest burster to reveal the alive twin screaming i am the sword in the dark and kills or severly wounds or something the other chaos gods.
PFFFFFTTT HOLY SHIT XD
Who knew i needed a smooth jazzy bgm for my lore lessons!
Well met brother, I am Alpharius.
I figured it would make 1+ long videos more pleasant to listen to!
@@livefromtheblacklibrary impecable work, certainly enough to warrant a click on the sub. Looking forward to see more from you. Have a great day fren!
THANK YOU MAN!
@@livefromtheblacklibrary no no, thank You for the Grammaticus hate
1 hour long ? Damn didnt knew there is so much to talk about Omegon
I may have gone a little overboard…
@@livefromtheblacklibrary the video doesnt seem to get boring so good job.
How have I never seen this gem of a channel before. I mean if you get a Tyranid to play Zorak and using a Spank-Ray, I’m gonna lose my collective shiz!
AYYYY GLAD TO HAVE YOU ABOARD
If I could like this video more than once I would. You've hit all the points that I keep telling people on why I think Alpharius/Omegon is still alive and loyal. You're also one of the few people I've seen so far actually bring up the distinct difference between the twins, which I'm honestly I'm glad for since it's gotten to the point that I was starting to think I was crazy for the thinking there was. Overall, amazing video and very enjoyable to listen to. Keep up the great work.
So what about the marines (future Dark Angels?) that were involved in the Thunder warrior cull? They obviously knew about it.
Those were likely the Alpha Legion in disguise apparently
Or they were mind wiped which is what happened to Horus and the planet of moloch
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Perhaps, I'm mainly going off what was said in the Valdor novel and I don't recall that.
@@danmorris5498 I haven't seen any evidence of that, maybe its just sloppy writing/lore.
@@wellhungindung wait evidence of which point that Horus was mind wiped or that the dark angels were.
I dont always agree with your take on things but this video is exceptional. I'm about halfway through it and this is a fantastic well thought out take. Some things I thought, some I hadn't thought of, but a lot of it makes sense. Okay, back to the video.
Honestly, your channel is top tier 40k content. The only channel that’s got you beat is Luetin, everyone else just kinda spews surface level BS. Really glad I came across this channel
Can you do a video on Blood Ravens, Marine malevolent, Crimson slaughter, Space Shark or Dawn of war lore. Later on?
Ohhh for sure if I can get enough info!
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Suffer 👿
That custodes armour was a gift, the Grey Knights said it was okey, why are you locking your vault, brother?
This is one of the best synthesis of current Alpha Legion lore. It's a good job that some sort of lunatic like you might well be, has got this down. So slightly less lunatics can sit down and have a good think
Somehow, I can definitely see a Harlequin listening to smooth jazz lol, great vid as always
ok... i had a odd thought... could Big E have used part of the Deceiver to make the twins? That shard tricking Alpha legion gave me that lil thought
What if he had that grey armor because (starting wise) he fought as a grey shield
Oh damn 👀
Ghazghkull is actually Omegon and three grots in a trench coat.
I’ve heard the theories about Cypher really being one of the twins before over and over, thrown out as just a fun/interesting idea (which it is, even without any real evidence). But nobody, that I’ve listened to, has really broken it down like you did and made it make sense.
It makes sense, the imperium is 10k years old and so vulnerable that having help form the shadows keeping the imperium up for the last 10k years. Would be a good way to write that off, in the way of “why hasn’t the imperium fallen yet”.
Legion was such a good book, especially when John meets the other perpetual in the cliffs.
Legion was EXCELLENT, I came away REALLY liking John but his character cratered so hard after
@@livefromtheblacklibrary well it was definitely interesting seeing even a perpetual be surprised and tripped up in things. I had to go through that book and Prospero Burns twice. There is just too much.
Horus Rising
Galaxy in Flames
Mechanicum
Flight of the Eisenstein
Garro
Legion
1000 Sons
are my favorite novels so far; I feel the HH is the perfect point to have started the deep dive into the lore, there are so many amazing stories on either side of that timeline.
#HENRYCAVILLASGARVIELLOKEN
Deserve a sub for this🎉
Plus the space ghost goes coast to coast setting is funny and fitting
Love your vids and this one is exceptional. Keep up the great work! Props from ND!
You can’t blame Sirene, she did witness so much destruction that it literally blinded her.
You have this the otherwsy round alpharius is the arrogant one bc he was found first, he eas tasked and trainrd by malacdor to hide from his brothers and do all these covert ops and he led his legion for so long. Omegon had no where near as many accomplishments which is why he was never as arrogant.
COOL this is my favorite story i agree with you bout 99 percent i also he has to be cypher it would be now stupid if it wasent also think about it the dark angeks where first legion he had time to sneak around them respect them in a weird way on secrets
That’s a good point, that’s why a lot of people do believe Cypher is Omegon despite the whole Zahariel vs Corswain thing being set up
This channel, and this video especially, convinced me that the Alpha Legion are absolutely my favorite traitor legion (I use traitor liberally here, because they’re generally classified under “traitor legions” by media). As if the turquoise armor with scales and hydra aesthetic wasn’t enough
All the primaris are actually Alpha Legion.
The surviving primarch has been collectief gene-seed from all the legions and worked with cawl to 'be the Sword in the druk, and protect what was buikt' ❤
Something I really like is in a fan fic Alpharius is alive but hurt so bad that they can only be awake for a few hours every few years and when he does actually fight in the fic it’s in a giant dreadnaught
He’s CYPHER and NO ONE can tell me otherwise. 😆
I'm sorry but at 8:00 you talk about John Grammaticus and you say he only appeared in Legion, I think he is in like 10 books. He put the mine collar on Pech, I believe.
Great vid btw!
Hydra dominatus!!
Oh that was a joke about how much I hate John Grammaticus lol
@livefromtheblacklibrary Sorry that flew over my head😅 my bad😊
Did you say the Alpha Legion used hypnotoading? I always new that Futurama was part of the 40k universe but no one believed me, theory confirmed.
I didn’t say that but now I wish I did XD
What if the ability to pass as a primarch TO OTHER PRIMARCHS is an ability that Alpharius bestows upon his legionary imposters?
Great Discussion!!! I honestly believe Alpharius is alive. He can move way better if everyone thinks he is dead.
Whenever I think my life is getting too complicated I lookup Alpha Legion lore, I say to myself "It's not really all that bad, I could be Alpharius".
But you are alpharius
@@valletasno, he’s Alpharius
Holy crap man, awesome vid. I really enjoyed watching it. Hydra Dominatus.
Thanks dude! Glad you liked it!!!
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Most people dont spend enough time on the Alpha Legion, while your video covered stuff most of the others dont talk about. A new video to paint to :)
I think you’re the best. Great vid. I’m too dumb to give a what I think explanation.
THANKS MAN and dw outside of my videos I’m a moron
Hear me out here:
Have we ever seen alpharius and the emperor in the same room after the end of the heresy?
HOLD UP 👀
I think alpharius (omaegon) is truely dead dead and omaegon (alpharius) is very much alive
I think i am alpharius
Like the "Pandemonium" shout out!
GET HYPE GET HYPE GET HYPE
Dude this was a pleasure to listen to: I don't get alot of stimulating 40k conversation with true scholars like yourself. Very few people have read and retained as many books as would be required to make a rant this comprehensive. Thank you.
Incidentally a Cipher is an item used to solve a coded puzzle so that storyline would make for a clever name
Although I also really like the Eisenhorn theory
Awesome video btw
Thanks for this. Prompted me to get into the 40k Alpha Legion novels. I like your closing statements concerning a 'hidden' civil war within Alpha Legion. Acts as a nice counterpoint to the more 'overt', in t our eyes, civil war with respect to the Dark Angels. Nice bookending....
Thanks for making this. I also believe Alpharius (first Primarch found) is the one alive. If so, he may end up being the most important key player for the end game.
Love how you calculated the 15 minutes
I completely agree with this analysis.
In the Board is Set, the Emperor did pull out 4 hydra cards. So I'm sure parts of the Alpha Legion are loyalist
They are loyalist, just many of their Marines don't know it
Love these deep dives, keep them coming!
Alpharius who was really omegon died which led omegon who was really alpharius to change his name from omegon to alpharius in memory of alpharius who is really omegon.
46:50
Sorry guys, this video has extra entertainment.
I get confused when people apologize for making long videos. I'm watching this because it's damned entertaining, I'd be happy with a six hour video so I don't need to look for another one every hour.
Fantastic breakdown of the Hydra!
Most of what I think lomes up woth the video aside from a few things. I think it was Omegon who was with the Emperor the entire time. It makes more sense to me that Omegon was separate from the other Primarchs when the Chaos Gods Wizard of Oz'ed the other 20 away since he would have been the spare considering he was kept secret indicated by the names. When the brothers reunited, they got on the same wavelength pretty quickly. Alpharius, the dominant, fell under the control of the Cabal due to their loyalty to the Emperor, but also not being able to witness that he had his shit on lockdown the way Omegon has. Omegon was not able to dispute his brother, who was dominant, and rolled with it. When Alpharius died to Dorn getting Mortal Kombat, Finished Omegon couldn't take hold of the entire legion due to the corruption Alpharius had let into the legion. Omegon went into hiding so he could keep his loyalties a secret and went under the alias of Alpharius to further hid himself while he manipulated the legion from the shadows. But I'm no lore fanatic, I just find Alpha Legion fun, so let me know your theories.