You know what Harbaugh could do? Put a team that plays football with some heart on the field for more than 2 quarters a year, win a close game, win on the road or compete in the Top 10 every year when he has had the 6th, 6th, 20th, 8th and 8th best recruiting classes.
Joel Klatt brings his A+++ game EVERY time he is on with Colin. Love the knowledge, the stats, and the perspective. Can't wait for Joel Klatt and Gus Johnson to call a Buckeye football game!! Go Bucks!!!
Osborne was in a weak two team league. He could barely win the Big 8 or a bowl game for most of his career. When Oklahoma turned to sh!t he finally succeeded
I grew up in an area not far from Lincoln where the big local paper and news stations(Omaha World Herald and local news affiliates) covered Nebbie non-stop and remember those title teams well. Got tired of hearing about them all the time but always respected Osborne and his coaching staff. Thank God I don’t have to deal with them crushing what is now my alma mater year after year like I did when I was in middle and high school). Don’t know why I felt like sharing that, but there ya go.
Donald Alexander Michigan hasn’t been on the level of the teams you mentioned since the 40’s and the only reason they even have more wins against OSU is because UM won the first 18 meet ups. OSU owns the record since the last 100 years. The delusions of Michigan fans as to what their program is has to be the most frustrating thing, they’re a great program but they’re not Elite.
@Joey Snow1 They had a pretty good string of QB's that made it to the nfl. That might have had something to do with it. Ya Think? These days MSU isn't beating any top 4 teams with their 3 star talent. OSU is typically top 4 in recruiting classes and last year landed the #1 overall player. How did MSU do against OSU this year? Yeah.
The problem I have with Harbaugh is that he’s supposed to be a quarterback guy and all of the Michigan qbs since he started coaching have been garbage.
Love Klatt -- BUT -- he ignores the fact that CFB used to only play 10, then 11 regular season games back in the day. No conference title games ever until recently, and definitely no national title game *after* the bowl game.== Winning % is the better relevant stat if you want to compare coaches' records across eras. ==
@@RodEJr True. Unfortunately, even if you go by that measure, OSU's all-time win % is only slightly less than Michigan's, whose record is padded by the success they way back in early 20th century. In the last 18 seasons, Michigan has finished with a better record than Ohio State 3 times, 4 if you wanna count OSU's vacated 2010 season.
DG: But my point was really referring to Michigan records of Jim H. (@ 73% winning percentage & avg. losing *more* than 3x per 13 game season) vs. Bo Schembechler (@ 80% & losing barely over 2x per 12 game season.) Big10 records have Jim H. @ 73% with >2 losses/year vs. Bo @ 85% and literally barely over just 1 loss per year. {Just 24 conference losses in 21 seasons!} Colin & Klatt suggesting that Jim H. is equivalently successful to Bo as Wolverine coach simply because he racks up more "double-digit" winning seasons seems like a weak argument to me.
Yeah, being a Michigan fan and seeing the team win basically at least 8-9 games every single year is soooooo hard. ;) J Clouter, you def do have a point as a Lions fan though, I’ll give you that.
I'm a Michigan fan too. However, Harbaugh was hired to take Michigan to the level of OSU and "bama. He is showing no signs of getting Michigan to that point anytime soon. That's the issue I have. Michigan has everything that they need to be a championship level program. However, EVERY year they get out recruited by the top programs and out coached in the big games. As a fan, that's not acceptable.
45superscott no, not necessarily. I’m a realist about where the program was and where he has gotten it back to. Michigan is a very good program but it’s not and hasn’t ever been a consistent title contender. This is just what Michigan is and has always been. Eventually the rivalry will flip, not sure it’ll be under Jimmy’s reign tho. Fans and expectations are just unrealistic. He’s basically here to make Michigan relevant again.
@@nevermindme313 He was not hired to return Michigan to "goodness". He was hired to make Michigan great. He was hired to beat OSU. He was hired to win championships. None of those things have happened.
Anyone who EXPECTS their program to do what Alabama and OSU have done the last decade or so (and even Clemson the last few years) is delusional and plays too many video games where they think that being undefeated and champions every year is "the norm". Congrats, you're so delusional that when you reach the top of the mountain, you view it as just "meh". So you can never exceed expectations, you can never actually be happy. It's just "meh, we're where we should be" if you win the title or "failure" if you don't. Way to go.
He has a point, if little ole Clemson can do it, why not mighty Michigan? Ohio State is geographically challenged too and they do it. Why not Michigan? And I am a Clemson alumni pointing this out. I’m no Michigan homer or fan. And I personally have nothing good or bad to say about Harbaugh. I get it, it is cold, gray weather and the best football players in the surrounding area tend to be big, corn fed linemen. However, OSU has been able to overcome all that. Penn St too.
If Harbaugh wants people to cut him some slack, he shouldn’t be paid like Saban. They may have never achieved at the level of Bama historically, but they also never paid a coach $7 million a year!
Colin, you said a couple years ago you historically rooted for OSU more than the Wolverines. They might need to cut your showtime down from 3 hours to 1 hour and a half, cuz you forget a lot of what you say. IJS
Joel is spot on. You cant ask much more of Harbaugh when ohio state is literally at their peak in their history. They are elite like Alabama. Michigan will get their turn. But as of now, people want to bash him for not winning the big games. What's he not done? Hes traded wins back and forth with a good coached team by james Franklin (penn state) hes turned the tide against msu back to Michigan's favor of recent years. You cant fault Jim in bowl games that the kids may or may not be willing to really play in when they are meaningless. Yes I've questioned some of his coaching staff. Namely the josh gattis. But they looked better against penn state. Don brown needs to adapt more and not leave corners by themselves.
I was a freshman at Michigan the first year Harbaugh was the head coach. I have been to every single home game, MSU, OSU, and bowl game since then. I have been watching a lot of Michigan football and following it closely. This conversations was very similar to one's I have had with other students. The one other addition I would make is that we have achieved at that sort of level in the past. If you look at some of the teams from the 1900s and 1910s, Michigan was at that level. Even through the 40s Michigan still did extremely well. If Michigan had not had that strong of a first 50 years to give us all those national championships and number 1 all time wins and top 5 win percentage, and if OSU was not on their historic run, Harbaugh would be praised. Very few people at the university want to see Harbaugh go. If he does go, we're not going to get anyone better.
Scheduling has changed over the years.In the '60's,Big Ten teams played 9 to 10 games a season.In the '80's schedules went to 11 games,then after 2000 schedules went to 12 games.
Joel Klatt & Chris Broussard are hidden gems on the FS1 network. (The Odd Couple podcast is another fantastic offering) Klatt would be great for a 30 minute CFB show.
1999 Agree. They notoriously have a slow start with the exception of Nebraska which they blew out immediately. It may bite them if they have a game where they can’t stay on track.
This segment is the very definition of moving the "goal post". What happened to Harbaugh the "disruptor" and "going to dominate college football, because it's easier than pro and he went to superbowl". Now its " Oh Mich has never been a blue blood".
This entire segment was basically a giant strawman. No one is criticizing Harbaugh because he hasn't challenged Saban and Dabo for national championships. He's being criticized because his offenses are garbage, he's never developed a QB, he has a terrible record against Ohio State and Michigan State, and he hasn't sniffed a divisional title let alone a conference title. For the money he's making, I can find you about a dozen or two other coaches that can accomplish exactly what he's doing in Ann Arbor.
As an Ohio State Buckeye fan I love this convo, but I do remember a time when I was a kid (23 now) that "That Team Up North" actually had a chance to win every single year, and they were actually the favorites almost every year, he can at least bring them back to that so us buckeye fans can actually look forward to the game.
@@bballwarrior12, They just told you the truth about the Michigan program, remove Harbaugh from the equation & the narrative about who Michigan is doesn't change. But stick to the alternate reality angle...only also apply it to the fans of the U Of Michigan [such as yourself] as well.
This might be the most sense I've seen on this show, but I feel for Jim. And I'm still not sure what to make of it. He could be stuck in a younger brother spot, No matter what, he will always be 2nd best, but part of me wants to refuse to believe that because coaching is different these days, I dont think its coincidence that all best coaches are older and wiser experts. I feel like sometimes colleges jump the gun on firing sometimes. You know, Rome wasn't built in a day. Things have to roast for a while on low heat. I think what Michigan needs is a fresh new ....something. but I like Jim as leading this new Michigan.
Us Clemson fans have surely been spoiled. Most of us acknowledge just how unique and temporary this truly is. It is a great time to be aTiger indeed! 🐾🐾 Now how do we get the rest of the college football fans striving to be in the mix to understand that you just chop wood until the tree finally comes down. Persistence, passion and culture will get you there. Don’t over react and throw the baby out with the bath water when you have disappointing seasons. Look for steady progress, growth and learning from the coaching staff. They have to be open and willing to change. Sometimes hard decisions have to be made and pride has to be swallowed. Look at UGA and Kirby. Kirby has to change his offensive philosophy and not be too stubborn. If he does that, he will have UGA there every year, just like Bama. While I am a Clemson fan/alumni, I love to see teams put it altogether. Even if they are not my Tigers. Who wants to win because everyone else sucks? That is not enjoyable.
Most Michigan fans arent looking for a natty title as a priority. We are looking for wins against OSU and big ten titles. 0-4 against OSU (2 @ home, and 1 favored on the road!), haven't even traveled to Indianapolis (pretty sure never even 2nd on our side of the B1G). We want to at least be in the picture for the playoff most years. There were quite a few years of Bo that we would've been in the playoff or in the discussion, not to mention the numerous B1G titles he acquired + a winning record against arguably the greatest coach in OSU history...So klatt, is Jim REALLY at that level? Not even close
We had the same issue here in Nebraska. When Bilbo Callahan came here he turned us from an incredibly successful I-formation, Power Run, Smash Mouth Ground game to some moronic prissy "West coast offense'. Thats like Yokusuna trying to be a luchador. It wasnt us and we sucked...hard! I look forward to him ruining his new team too.
I don't think anybody expected him to be Saban, but I don't see why he shouldn't be expected to win 10 or more games a season, with a 50/50 split w/OSU. I think the surprising thing is being a few years in and still looking like a team struggling to find its identity.
I don't care about all these coaches and statistics. This year UM should be better than what how are playing. No discipline, bonehead coaching decisions, fumbilitis, always coming out flat on the road. That badgers game it looked like the defense just gave up. Never seen that on any UM team. I've been watching since 83. Players transferring mid season. Players skipping bowl games. You have a third stringer that threw the best throw for a TD all year.
FINALLY. Michigan's single Nat'l title is a split award. No outright championship in history. Harbaugh had to compete vs Urban Meyer who barely averaged 1 loss a yr. This is just like people thinking Charles Barkley wasn't an elite talent b/c he didn't win but in reality he competed in the Jordan Era where he dominated everyone. That's what Harbaugh is dealing with. He made Michigan relevant & respectable again. People need to stop acting like Michigan is a championship winning school. Bama, Clemson, Florida, LSU, FSU, OSU, and USC are the only schools who can use the word championship in recent (15 yrs) memory.
@ Former UM fan. At this point it's hopeless. We should virtue signal by declaring football to be evil and shut the program like University of Chicago did after we obliterated them 85-0 in 1939.
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Fred IV Nah. You will beat OSU one day under Harbaugh probably. Maybe not this year, but sometime. I think Harbaugh will stay until he has a shot at the National Title. Legit shot. Like undefeated or 1 loss going into the Playoffs. I think Harbaugh is a good coach at a good, not great program right now.
The reason Michigan is so great as a program is because they've been 9-3, 10-2 consistently for over 130 years, with a few off periods. Consistently good. That being said, Bo didn't win every game against OSU, or ND, but he won some of them. The win against Notre Dame this weekend felt good in a way I cannot as a Michigan fan really explain, nor really need to (Auburn, winning the Iron Bowl - same feeling). But it would be nice to beat OSU again. And if this team HAS finally found itself ... we may not win the B1G, or a championship, or a Rose Bowl. But beating OSU and ruining their chance to get a title? That would be almost as good.
Where will Jim Harbaugh be coaching next year?
Jets
Michigan
Western Michigan
XFL
You know what Harbaugh could do? Put a team that plays football with some heart on the field for more than 2 quarters a year, win a close game, win on the road or compete in the Top 10 every year when he has had the 6th, 6th, 20th, 8th and 8th best recruiting classes.
Kinda wish Joel Klatt had his own show, he gives great dialogue
Plus he gives interesting takes without giving "hot" takes!
Ken Fulton {Baby Elder} he literally does have his own show
Has a podcast too
He has his own show. I discovered it a few says ago on UA-cam. He's hilarious!
Ken Fulton {Baby Elder} he has a podcast on UA-cam it’s great
Joel Klatt is one of the most knowledgeable college guys out there. Love listening to him
a1lewis4 not only college he’s good at every sports very knowledgeable
There’s no one that does it better. Joel just gets it. A lot of sports mouths could learn, from him, how to shut up for a second, and think.
Yes right????
He's an analyst not a measuring stick determiner
Joel Klatt is so smart. I could listen to him talk every day
@47 47 You had me until Clay Travis
Great analyst
Joel Klatt brings his A+++ game EVERY time he is on with Colin. Love the knowledge, the stats, and the perspective. Can't wait for Joel Klatt and Gus Johnson to call a Buckeye football game!! Go Bucks!!!
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Didn’t they call the FAU game?
You're in luck. They are calling the Ohio State Wiscy game.
TookyG But it’s at Noon.
I love when a father and son bond together!
Colin raised him well!
Romain no sir. Colin is Joel’s son
@@bnorvs5929 😂
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Bnorvs 59 I couldn’t agree every he takes his son to school
joel klatt - the voice of reason. thank you.
Joel always makes great points
I really like listening to Klatt!! Bring him on more!!!
Klatt was freaking dead on today, especially about my Huskers. Great stuff today, as usual on this segment every week.
Andrew Hixson The part where he mentioned Texas HURT, but it’s true.
Bring your child to work day for Joel.
I loved hearing you mention the legacy of Tom Osborne! An incredible coach who is often forgotten in the mainstream media. GBR!
Tyrone He was incredible.
@Christopher Laughlin Saban is 14-10 in bowl games. is Saban elite?
@Christopher Laughlin lol not even close. not even top 25...if bowl record is all we use to indicate the success of a coach then Saban is not elite.
Christopher Laughlin most of those bowl loses we’re to top 5 teams
Osborne was in a weak two team league. He could barely win the Big 8 or a bowl game for most of his career. When Oklahoma turned to sh!t he finally succeeded
I love how Klatt brought up Osborne. LEGEND.
I grew up in an area not far from Lincoln where the big local paper and news stations(Omaha World Herald and local news affiliates) covered Nebbie non-stop and remember those title teams well. Got tired of hearing about them all the time but always respected Osborne and his coaching staff. Thank God I don’t have to deal with them crushing what is now my alma mater year after year like I did when I was in middle and high school). Don’t know why I felt like sharing that, but there ya go.
Joel has to be the best guest that sits on the chair! So fun, smart, and just gives information that everyone can understand
Beat MSU AND OSU. That’s what we ask as Michigan fans.
Very Respectfully,
Michigan Fan
I agree 100%
Donald Alexander Michigan hasn’t been on the level of the teams you mentioned since the 40’s and the only reason they even have more wins against OSU is because UM won the first 18 meet ups. OSU owns the record since the last 100 years. The delusions of Michigan fans as to what their program is has to be the most frustrating thing, they’re a great program but they’re not Elite.
And he couldn't get it done again
I’m guilty of what he said. He’s right. Joe is great at putting things in perspective.
i think the expectations for Michigan are rooted in the fact they have had some really great recruiting classes and dont have much to show for it
The recruiting is on the rise but is not at the level of the top 4 yet.
@Joey Snow1 well it should if they want to beat osu.
@Joey Snow1 They had a pretty good string of QB's that made it to the nfl. That might have had something to do with it. Ya Think? These days MSU isn't beating any top 4 teams with their 3 star talent. OSU is typically top 4 in recruiting classes and last year landed the #1 overall player.
How did MSU do against OSU this year? Yeah.
joel and colin together always the best part of the week
The problem I have with Harbaugh is that he’s supposed to be a quarterback guy and all of the Michigan qbs since he started coaching have been garbage.
Harbaugh did a good job with ruddock
Spaight Wasn’t Trash If Were Being Honest He Won Us The Game In 16 At OSU But We Got Cheated By A Yard.
James Hughes who? Lol
Denzoll Merritt Unfortunately, a loss is a loss. He was above average but none of these qbs have been good
@@sndthunder Jake Ruddock was benched at Iowa transferred to Michigan started and was drafted to Detroit. That a pretty good job.
4:20 damn that stat about winning 11 games or more. Ohio State is in a different stratosphere.
Love Klatt -- BUT -- he ignores the fact that CFB used to only play 10, then 11 regular season games back in the day. No conference title games ever until recently, and definitely no national title game *after* the bowl game.== Winning % is the better relevant stat if you want to compare coaches' records across eras. ==
rodejryou great point, winning % is far more important in terms of comparing team success than total wins per season.
@@RodEJr True. Unfortunately, even if you go by that measure, OSU's all-time win % is only slightly less than Michigan's, whose record is padded by the success they way back in early 20th century. In the last 18 seasons, Michigan has finished with a better record than Ohio State 3 times, 4 if you wanna count OSU's vacated 2010 season.
DG: But my point was really referring to Michigan records of Jim H. (@ 73% winning percentage & avg. losing *more* than 3x per 13 game season) vs. Bo Schembechler (@ 80% & losing barely over 2x per 12 game season.) Big10 records have Jim H. @ 73% with >2 losses/year vs. Bo @ 85% and literally barely over just 1 loss per year. {Just 24 conference losses in 21 seasons!} Colin & Klatt suggesting that Jim H. is equivalently successful to Bo as Wolverine coach simply because he racks up more "double-digit" winning seasons seems like a weak argument to me.
I'm a Michigan fan and that legit made me sad
Finally a voice of reason.
One day all this pain From being a Michigan fan will be rewarded
No it won't . Ask a Lion's fan.
Yeah, being a Michigan fan and seeing the team win basically at least 8-9 games every single year is soooooo hard. ;) J Clouter, you def do have a point as a Lions fan though, I’ll give you that.
@@tommcdaniel9554 Yea I'm not a Michigan fan, my team/uni I am an alum of is having a damn good year when they win 8-9 games :p
Hail to the victors
As a Michigan fan.
I agree 100%
I'm a Michigan fan too. However, Harbaugh was hired to take Michigan to the level of OSU and "bama. He is showing no signs of getting Michigan to that point anytime soon. That's the issue I have. Michigan has everything that they need to be a championship level program. However, EVERY year they get out recruited by the top programs and out coached in the big games. As a fan, that's not acceptable.
@@chuckdraper7776pathetic point , he was hired to Michigan a good- great program again, and he has down that.
45superscott where was that stated?
45superscott no, not necessarily. I’m a realist about where the program was and where he has gotten it back to. Michigan is a very good program but it’s not and hasn’t ever been a consistent title contender. This is just what Michigan is and has always been. Eventually the rivalry will flip, not sure it’ll be under Jimmy’s reign tho. Fans and expectations are just unrealistic. He’s basically here to make Michigan relevant again.
@@nevermindme313 He was not hired to return Michigan to "goodness". He was hired to make Michigan great. He was hired to beat OSU. He was hired to win championships. None of those things have happened.
Anyone who EXPECTS their program to do what Alabama and OSU have done the last decade or so (and even Clemson the last few years) is delusional and plays too many video games where they think that being undefeated and champions every year is "the norm". Congrats, you're so delusional that when you reach the top of the mountain, you view it as just "meh". So you can never exceed expectations, you can never actually be happy. It's just "meh, we're where we should be" if you win the title or "failure" if you don't. Way to go.
The day Colin’s dad - Klatt schools him on CFB and facts.
Klatt with the A game today. I was just like Colin, shocked by the great info. Absolutely right.
The average win per season stat is cherry picked because the teams play more games now (usually 1-2 more games).
Get klatt on here more often!
Nothing better than watching a father schooling his son.
The only time I listen to Herd is when Joel Klatt is on.
JK breaking things down with college football history and facts! Love it!
0:48 when your mom asks where your report card is
0:50 is better
I don't pay much attention to CFB but l love listening to Klatt and he makes me more interested in following it.
This is silly. If Clemson can be a juggernaut .....why is it too much for Michigan to be expected to be capable of beating OSU now and then?
He has a point, if little ole Clemson can do it, why not mighty Michigan? Ohio State is geographically challenged too and they do it. Why not Michigan? And I am a Clemson alumni pointing this out. I’m no Michigan homer or fan. And I personally have nothing good or bad to say about Harbaugh.
I get it, it is cold, gray weather and the best football players in the surrounding area tend to be big, corn fed linemen. However, OSU has been able to overcome all that. Penn St too.
They've done more than now and then. Go blue
If Harbaugh wants people to cut him some slack, he shouldn’t be paid like Saban. They may have never achieved at the level of Bama historically, but they also never paid a coach $7 million a year!
Klatt! Always a privilege to hear you talk college football!
If you look closely you can see the goal post moving
Colin, you said a couple years ago you historically rooted for OSU more than the Wolverines. They might need to cut your showtime down from 3 hours to 1 hour and a half, cuz you forget a lot of what you say. IJS
he is ridiculous isn't he?
Is it Father's Day already?
5:01 “Thenkyuuuuuuuuu”
Joel is spot on. You cant ask much more of Harbaugh when ohio state is literally at their peak in their history. They are elite like Alabama. Michigan will get their turn. But as of now, people want to bash him for not winning the big games. What's he not done? Hes traded wins back and forth with a good coached team by james Franklin (penn state) hes turned the tide against msu back to Michigan's favor of recent years. You cant fault Jim in bowl games that the kids may or may not be willing to really play in when they are meaningless. Yes I've questioned some of his coaching staff. Namely the josh gattis. But they looked better against penn state. Don brown needs to adapt more and not leave corners by themselves.
I agree 100 percent. I have no to add nor take away. Even to this day bruh
I would say LSU Florida rivalry, the teams are almost always competitive and in similar places which makes the game’s so fun to watch
Osiris The Virus exactly. I don’t want to wait til OSU to be bad to watch a good game
I will be the 600 person to say “klatt needs his own show”
He swung me in his argument. Very knowledgeable and even Colin added some interesting bits about Michigan coming on in Seattle.
I was a freshman at Michigan the first year Harbaugh was the head coach. I have been to every single home game, MSU, OSU, and bowl game since then. I have been watching a lot of Michigan football and following it closely. This conversations was very similar to one's I have had with other students. The one other addition I would make is that we have achieved at that sort of level in the past. If you look at some of the teams from the 1900s and 1910s, Michigan was at that level. Even through the 40s Michigan still did extremely well. If Michigan had not had that strong of a first 50 years to give us all those national championships and number 1 all time wins and top 5 win percentage, and if OSU was not on their historic run, Harbaugh would be praised. Very few people at the university want to see Harbaugh go. If he does go, we're not going to get anyone better.
wait on this segment every week. wont miss it
Scheduling has changed over the years.In the '60's,Big Ten teams played 9 to 10 games a season.In the '80's schedules went to 11 games,then after 2000 schedules went to 12 games.
Puts everything in perspective VERY WELL!
Does Joel Klatt have his own show? I love his content
Joel Klatt & Chris Broussard are hidden gems on the FS1 network. (The Odd Couple podcast is another fantastic offering) Klatt would be great for a 30 minute CFB show.
Love the father and son bonding
Ohio State will struggle early on against Wisconsin. with that being said 45-17 Buckeyes
1999 Agree. They notoriously have a slow start with the exception of Nebraska which they blew out immediately. It may bite them if they have a game where they can’t stay on track.
@jamar reid The Bengals are too dumb to take a quarterback when they should.
Collin “ I think Wisconsin and OSU will be a great game”
Lol 😂
It was a great game. 😁
Colin doesn’t invite Joel Klatt to give his two cents on The Herd.
Joel Klatt invites Colin to give his two cents on The Herd.
Very solid points. Good info
This segment is the very definition of moving the "goal post". What happened to Harbaugh the "disruptor" and "going to dominate college football, because it's easier than pro and he went to superbowl". Now its " Oh Mich has never been a blue blood".
roddy 57 I never heard anyone say that about harbaugh
Michigan was a blue blood in the 70s 80s 90s and early 2000s but 2009 plus has been rough
This entire segment was basically a giant strawman. No one is criticizing Harbaugh because he hasn't challenged Saban and Dabo for national championships. He's being criticized because his offenses are garbage, he's never developed a QB, he has a terrible record against Ohio State and Michigan State, and he hasn't sniffed a divisional title let alone a conference title. For the money he's making, I can find you about a dozen or two other coaches that can accomplish exactly what he's doing in Ann Arbor.
@@DarkAssassin1323 agreed
@@DarkAssassin1323 He has a even record vs MSU and dominated them in the game Michigan punt was blocked and MSU scooped it up to win the game.
As a Michigan fan....this was a hard pill to swallow but there’s truth...
This is will be the same convo for Scott Frost in 4-5 years.
Once he gets his guys in the program, NE will be fine. The fans are SUPER unrealistic. We are what we are a fringe bowl team.
@@cornhuskerfever hahaha....ya ok. Nebraska's program is a diaper
Way to go Joel Klatt!
Good stuff Joel.
Actually, an intelligent discussion. Good points by both guys.
Joel Klatt is Grade A football talk.
Finally great facts!
Go Blue!
A+ Brand B+ Football sounds about right and I am a Michigan fan.
Give him more time. He will get this right.
I see klatt, I tapp
Klatt is the only reason why I watch Cowherd. I was a massive Cowherd fan but the last 2 years I’ve been meh. Can’t stand constant NBA talk.
They all do that. Eisen, Patrick, all the ESPN Shows.
Joel, you represent the University of Colorado exceptionally well! Go Buffs!!
Ugh that’s the whole point Joel. They are paying him well to surpass what they have always been.
Klatt always brings it
I should just pull up this clip next time I argue with a _ichigan fan about their place in the college football universe.
I really just meant to imply that michigan is not an elite program, and hasn't been one in quite a long time
Their place is pretty clear- number 1. Go blue
I wanted to be snarky but darn this guy makes sense...
As an Ohio State Buckeye fan I love this convo, but I do remember a time when I was a kid (23 now) that "That Team Up North" actually had a chance to win every single year, and they were actually the favorites almost every year, he can at least bring them back to that so us buckeye fans can actually look forward to the game.
I just can’t understand how these guys keep defending Harbaugh...
Because they don't want to admit they were wrong. So instead they create their own reality. I like klatt but he's dead wrong here.
@@bballwarrior12, They just told you the truth about the Michigan program, remove Harbaugh from the equation & the narrative about who Michigan is doesn't change. But stick to the alternate reality angle...only also apply it to the fans of the U Of Michigan [such as yourself] as well.
MR TnT DYNaMITE that’s why they are paying him all that money, to be better than what they have been historically.
Most 10 win seasons,1. Oklahoma (39), 2. Bama (38), 3.Michigan (29).
Most 11 win season, 1. Oklahoma (24), 2. Bama (22), 3. Ohio State (17).
This might be the most sense I've seen on this show, but I feel for Jim. And I'm still not sure what to make of it. He could be stuck in a younger brother spot,
No matter what, he will always be 2nd best, but part of me wants to refuse to believe that because coaching is different these days, I dont think its coincidence that all best coaches are older and wiser experts. I feel like sometimes colleges jump the gun on firing sometimes. You know, Rome wasn't built in a day. Things have to roast for a while on low heat. I think what Michigan needs is a fresh new ....something. but I like Jim as leading this new Michigan.
Been saying this since Clemson had double digit wins for 5 straight years. We have a jaded perception, due to certain success rates.
Us Clemson fans have surely been spoiled. Most of us acknowledge just how unique and temporary this truly is. It is a great time to be aTiger indeed! 🐾🐾
Now how do we get the rest of the college football fans striving to be in the mix to understand that you just chop wood until the tree finally comes down. Persistence, passion and culture will get you there. Don’t over react and throw the baby out with the bath water when you have disappointing seasons. Look for steady progress, growth and learning from the coaching staff. They have to be open and willing to change. Sometimes hard decisions have to be made and pride has to be swallowed.
Look at UGA and Kirby. Kirby has to change his offensive philosophy and not be too stubborn. If he does that, he will have UGA there every year, just like Bama. While I am a Clemson fan/alumni, I love to see teams put it altogether. Even if they are not my Tigers. Who wants to win because everyone else sucks? That is not enjoyable.
I need Klatt to talk college football to me every night before I go to bed
Most Michigan fans arent looking for a natty title as a priority. We are looking for wins against OSU and big ten titles. 0-4 against OSU (2 @ home, and 1 favored on the road!), haven't even traveled to Indianapolis (pretty sure never even 2nd on our side of the B1G). We want to at least be in the picture for the playoff most years. There were quite a few years of Bo that we would've been in the playoff or in the discussion, not to mention the numerous B1G titles he acquired + a winning record against arguably the greatest coach in OSU history...So klatt, is Jim REALLY at that level? Not even close
The difference is UM used to beat OSU and win Big Ten titles and they don't anymore.
Yea, I don't get the point of this rant. It's not too much to ask
@@LuckyLefty92 sadly we are one 4th down call in 2016 away from this not being talked about.
For $7.5 million a season, he better have Michigan up there with the big boys
All the coachs in the major school getting paid alot so the money not the problem
Preach
Real Madrid vs Barcelona, a rare rivalry where both are A+ teams.
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Can you guys please talk about something other than Michigan and Harbaugh good grief
We had the same issue here in Nebraska. When Bilbo Callahan came here he turned us from an incredibly successful I-formation, Power Run, Smash Mouth Ground game to some moronic prissy "West coast offense'. Thats like Yokusuna trying to be a luchador. It wasnt us and we sucked...hard!
I look forward to him ruining his new team too.
I have been saying it for years. When has Michigan been all that? LOL
Michigan's last truly dominant team was in 1997
@@mikebarber12 There were dominant teams in 97, UM just didn't have to play any of them.
Colin puns are legendary, he kills Klatt....🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't think anybody expected him to be Saban, but I don't see why he shouldn't be expected to win 10 or more games a season, with a 50/50 split w/OSU. I think the surprising thing is being a few years in and still looking like a team struggling to find its identity.
I don't care about all these coaches and statistics. This year UM should be better than what how are playing. No discipline, bonehead coaching decisions, fumbilitis, always coming out flat on the road. That badgers game it looked like the defense just gave up. Never seen that on any UM team. I've been watching since 83. Players transferring mid season. Players skipping bowl games. You have a third stringer that threw the best throw for a TD all year.
Klatt is the best right now has been for a couple years and only getting better by bringing facts to irrational fan bases
You don't pay 7.5 mil per year for historic Michigan Football results.
Tell that to Bauld Finebaum
ALL HAIL KING KLATT!! #KINGKLATT
Excellent and accurate point... Michigan over the Bo, Moeller, Carr tenures is a 10-2 program period. Fact!
Harbaugh has a winning record That's substantial and he's done pretty well
FINALLY. Michigan's single Nat'l title is a split award. No outright championship in history. Harbaugh had to compete vs Urban Meyer who barely averaged 1 loss a yr. This is just like people thinking Charles Barkley wasn't an elite talent b/c he didn't win but in reality he competed in the Jordan Era where he dominated everyone. That's what Harbaugh is dealing with. He made Michigan relevant & respectable again. People need to stop acting like Michigan is a championship winning school. Bama, Clemson, Florida, LSU, FSU, OSU, and USC are the only schools who can use the word championship in recent (15 yrs) memory.
When Michigan was great the teams played only eight games a year and forward passes were illegal.
@ Former UM fan. At this point it's hopeless. We should virtue signal by declaring football to be evil and shut the program like University of Chicago did after we obliterated them 85-0 in 1939.
Fred IV Nah. You will beat OSU one day under Harbaugh probably. Maybe not this year, but sometime. I think Harbaugh will stay until he has a shot at the National Title. Legit shot. Like undefeated or 1 loss going into the Playoffs. I think Harbaugh is a good coach at a good, not great program right now.
@ 45-7 over Notre Dame with four minutes to go. I'll take your word for it now 😀
The reason Michigan is so great as a program is because they've been 9-3, 10-2 consistently for over 130 years, with a few off periods. Consistently good. That being said, Bo didn't win every game against OSU, or ND, but he won some of them. The win against Notre Dame this weekend felt good in a way I cannot as a Michigan fan really explain, nor really need to (Auburn, winning the Iron Bowl - same feeling). But it would be nice to beat OSU again. And if this team HAS finally found itself ... we may not win the B1G, or a championship, or a Rose Bowl. But beating OSU and ruining their chance to get a title? That would be almost as good.
Please post today's Colin's Blazing 5 video
That's quite interesting.
Because rivalries are expected when the playing field is claimed to be "leveled."