Remember drag coefficient needs to take into account the frontal area. Yes lower is better, but if the frontal area is larger it will negate a low drag coefficient.
Exactly. You can have Tesla Model 3 that is two times bigger than usual, it's still same drag coefficient, but overall drag resistance will be two times bigger because frontal area is two times bigger. Actually aerodynamics are so complex that it's shame we even use such simple values to describe it.
This car has a face like a double decker bus. Nowhere in the design was consideration given to fuel efficiency. It prides itself in being imposingly ostentatious. The BMW iX is so much better.
@@dullumullu oh im sorry did our ongoing paradigm shift to a future of electric abundance offend you? jk but yeah people should commute in fast comfy little Aptera sized things
The amp actually is german match by audiotec fischer GmbH, i think bass browsers will make the adapter wiring harness themselfs, still the audio tec fischer amp ist great
I think that the problem with fat etron is the water cooled shaft. That steels a lot of torque and increases the consumptions a lot. I worked in an electric motor company, if you want we can do an interview for one of yours video
Great review Bjorn! You always does a great and detailed job, on the cars you are testing! I was lucky to drive one of the first car, of this model arriving to Norway. I was very surprised by the comfort, and the size of this EV. It was truly an amazing experience!
What is the status on testing the MG ZS EV Long range? I'm curious since I actually have one and heard earlier that you had to wait because they wanted you to have the latest software when you were testing. I'm very happy with mine btw, but I do experience sometimes that the computer can have some trouble starting up and have to reset. I experienced the same on my Zoe so this is something I don't think too much about, but still, it's annoying. The car doesn't regen in cruise mode, what's up with that? And the speed limit control has to be activated from a submenu every time you start the car if you want to use it.
From one chineese car manufacture to another: i think many norwegians would be highly interested to see you test out the new MG ZS EV, the MG 5 and soon to come the new MG 4 in norweigan conditions - especially cold conditions. Some of those cars does not come with a heat pump, so it would be very interesting to see how they compare in the range tests you do. And of course your rewiev and comparisons of the driving experience with other similar cars. Cheers, Bjørn! ;)
Hello Bjorn, you and your test colleagues were so enthusiastic about the Hongqi E-HS9 that I imported the first Hongqi from Norway to Germany. After the first pride in my new car comes disappointment! I have the direct comparison between my 6 year old MB GLS 500 and the Hongqi E HS-9. Unfortunately I had to realize that, for example, the entire entertainment software is worse than the one in the Mercedes!! Please, if you are already testing, then objectively and accurately!!
Jo Bjorn thanks so much for this review! Really waiting for this one to arrive in Germany. We'll get fat Etron S next month, but next one after that could really be an EHS9 or ES8. Would you rather take the Nio or Hongqi??
@@USAF25 I'm not talking about the regular after-sale service. Nio created a whole new concept of service, bring car owners lots of convenience and activities during the ownership. Nio is doing this quite well in China, and it said it will bring this model to Europe, let's see how it'll work out.
LOL Thanks for making me laugh Bjorn 😂 In China, I’d imagine chauffeurs would drive people around in that car. Pretty impressive all things considered.
Hongqi is more or less associated with the image of being a brand for official state cars. Nowadays only 'fonctionnaires haut placés' in China would have dedicated chauffeurs.
Hey Bjorn Thanks for your nice videos, Please rent a 7 seater Hongqi and make sleep challenge video, We wonder to know how big will be the trunk with all 5 seats folded.
I guess the reason why it slows down through a curve, may be to prevent the center of gravity from shifting outside the vehicle so it doesnt topple/roll over.
@2:19 That is good shit, Björn but it needs to be a hydrogen EV to be feasable for all markets. Saves weight and is cheaper to produce in the long run and does not overload the power grid in case EV hit critical mass. 😊
@@bjornnyland Would like to see a highspeed run on German Autobahn 😁 Or at least a consumption prediction based on (front area a) * (drag coefficient cw) for certain highway speeds. Are there any websites with such calculators?
With 160+160 kw permanent mag motors, the consumption is waaaaay too high. We have the flagship model here in China (779.8K rmb - 100K discount), instant regret not buying a HiPhi X or es8 or the L9
@@dr.andersonsghost4315 Who cares about them ? Most RR customer would love an EV RR provided the range is good which it should have because its not constrained by money.
Very aerodynamic in comparison to what exactly? Because let's be honest, all these fat cars seem to be as aerodynamic as a cardboard box on wheels 😅 (I'm not complaining, I drive a fat Chinese car myself. 🤣)
Seriously a Rolls Royce, sorry, I don’t see it at all. It does remind me of a Lincoln Navigator from the US though. Some of those plastics look cheap around the displays but I do like the vehicle. Interesting to see the Chinese brands offering’s, even if this isn’t something I’d get.
@@bjornnyland Not sure ‘need’ is the correct word. ‘Like’ or ‘want’ maybe. Seeing how a Model 3 or ID4 can carry 4 people happily I think vehicles like this are purely about status. The bigger the vehicle the more the owners think they are better than the rest of the population. But that’s just my thoughts.
@@bjornnyland I'm with you, am holding out for a 7 seater EV to reach Australia/NZ. The boot space and seat option is something we have in an ICE wagon and need for our family
@@FFVoyager Don't be too narrow-minded. Lots of people actually *need* big cars. Just look at families who bought Model X. If you don't know what I'm talking about, go to a Tesla supercharger on a Friday afternoon.
I don't know what it is. But this car reminds me of some other movie character/car. That evil front design, I think I have seen this somewhere already, but I don't get it where.
@@bjornnyland lol. What does that have to do with anything? Cullian was released in 2018! It has RR looks - look at the Rolls Royce Phantom. Who cares if one of their designers joined their team. They are copying designs, like all things China.
It's quite an interesting experience to compare the two (what I did too). Yes, the 2014 Model S is like a good stiff racing bike where you really feel a direct connection between the pedals and the tyres pulling you forward. However, *still* somehow the Hongqi *subtly* accellerates you to the desired speed. Perhaps it's a limitation of the jerk and/or jounce that makes it feel like you are suddenly up to 100 km/h without you even noticing it, and still quicker than a Model S 2014. But yes, both cars are very nice experiences, in different ways. A bit like if you love your good stiff racing bike, you might still enjoy an electric assisted, fully suspended city bike for other trips.
@@IsakSwahn My comment had nothing to do with driving experience or acceleration. I said that the MCU (computer and screen in the car) is snappier and more responsive in my 2014 model S, which is insane compared to a 2022 model Hongqi. For some reason Tesla seemes to be the only car manufacturer that actually understand the importance of user experience in the computer and screen. If I upgrade my old MCU to the second generation, my carn is basically working as an ipad in responsiveness, while many of the competitors (yes even premium ones like BMW and Mercedes) seems more like an old laggy smartphone from 2014.
Can't say that i agree with the design, both Hongqi and BYD remind me of absurd american cars such as the escalade and hummer. I would be ashamed to be seen in either in a country like Norway.
This is a brute of a car with a minuscule range. 160 miles is not practical. There are too many similarly priced cars that are far more economical and with better UIs.
@@bjornnyland Ok it depends. If you have to tow something and need the space, then it might be an alternative to a fossil SUV. I hope a tank like this could tow at least 3t. I'm not against big cars in general. Model X should be more efficient? The Buzz with LWB and bigger battery, thats what I'm waiting for. God kveld.
so the revolutionary forces would cazch up quickly with the tyrant when it has to stop every 200km because he will race when teying to get out of the country and at 140kmh it probably guzzles up 400Wh/km 🤣😂 So even a fat Hummer or Rolls Royce is a safer choice to escape as a dictstor 😂
I don’t have a problem buying a Chinese car, the problem I have is that I don’t know how well it can hold its own in time. The Chinese still have a lot to prove regarding building cars and that will only come in time.
You will have a problem, all ev BMWs are Chinese, mg is Chinese, polestar is Chinese, if you are in Asia's and Europe the Tesla 3 is Chinese, and do on...
Woeful energy consumption. I know it's a fat, overweight (faux) 'luxury' car but really, less than 2mi/kWh at 120kmh. That's more than dreadful. The idiots that buy this shit deserve the huge energy bills they will have to pay to drive it.
Not unlike those who drive a v12 around: terrible fuel consumption and a huge gas bill! I wonder if that would be of a pressing concern to the intended buyers though.
Björn I am a real fan of your style at testing EV-cars, but for several reasons I think you should stop giving so much attention to these Chinese products. I would never consider buying one. Think of what would happen when China attacks Taiwan, like Russia is attacking Ukraine at this moment. EU would immediately start boycotting everything coming from there, owners of Chinese cars then would get into big troubles I imagine.
@@jacoblam8433 I wasn’t trying to start a discussion about which country should be boycotted. I tried to imagine what situation would occur if China started this mentioned attack. It’s very well possible that the world would react the same way it did after Russia started ware fare. From that moment on owners of Chinese cars may find big problems with getting spare parts and sufficient service. So for that reason I won’t buy a Chinese car.
Simple fact: Taiwan is part of China, it's not a sovereign country, like Ukraine... And also, if war happens and EU decides to boycott, European people would probably have problems before the Chinese. Just look what crisis that Europe is having after the war right at this moment.
Remember drag coefficient needs to take into account the frontal area. Yes lower is better, but if the frontal area is larger it will negate a low drag coefficient.
Exactly. You can have Tesla Model 3 that is two times bigger than usual, it's still same drag coefficient, but overall drag resistance will be two times bigger because frontal area is two times bigger.
Actually aerodynamics are so complex that it's shame we even use such simple values to describe it.
This car has a face like a double decker bus. Nowhere in the design was consideration given to fuel efficiency.
It prides itself in being imposingly ostentatious.
The BMW iX is so much better.
@@dullumullu oh im sorry did our ongoing paradigm shift to a future of electric abundance offend you? jk
but yeah people should commute in fast comfy little Aptera sized things
Bro when I heard that Arctic Circle song... i felt something warm inside 😊
I miss it !
Looks even better than the London Taxi RR sells... cool video!
The amp actually is german match by audiotec fischer GmbH, i think bass browsers will make the adapter wiring harness themselfs, still the audio tec fischer amp ist great
I think that the problem with fat etron is the water cooled shaft. That steels a lot of torque and increases the consumptions a lot. I worked in an electric motor company, if you want we can do an interview for one of yours video
I cannot wait for this car to arrive in France.
Great review Bjorn! You always does a great and detailed job, on the cars you are testing! I was lucky to drive one of the first car, of this model arriving to Norway. I was very surprised by the comfort, and the size of this EV. It was truly an amazing experience!
2:06 "Bless you.."
What is the status on testing the MG ZS EV Long range? I'm curious since I actually have one and heard earlier that you had to wait because they wanted you to have the latest software when you were testing. I'm very happy with mine btw, but I do experience sometimes that the computer can have some trouble starting up and have to reset. I experienced the same on my Zoe so this is something I don't think too much about, but still, it's annoying. The car doesn't regen in cruise mode, what's up with that? And the speed limit control has to be activated from a submenu every time you start the car if you want to use it.
I’m absolutely blown away by that exterior. That is an epic dictator car love it
From one chineese car manufacture to another: i think many norwegians would be highly interested to see you test out the new MG ZS EV, the MG 5 and soon to come the new MG 4 in norweigan conditions - especially cold conditions. Some of those cars does not come with a heat pump, so it would be very interesting to see how they compare in the range tests you do. And of course your rewiev and comparisons of the driving experience with other similar cars. Cheers, Bjørn! ;)
I really dont understand why Björn dont test the MG Marvel R. Very strange.
Hello Bjorn, you and your test colleagues were so enthusiastic about the Hongqi E-HS9 that I imported the first Hongqi from Norway to Germany. After the first pride in my new car comes disappointment! I have the direct comparison between my 6 year old MB GLS 500 and the Hongqi E HS-9. Unfortunately I had to realize that, for example, the entire entertainment software is worse than the one in the Mercedes!! Please, if you are already testing, then objectively and accurately!!
I bought Bassbrothers IONIQ 5 plug n play DSP and it made wonders! Great company to team up with.
Jo Bjorn thanks so much for this review! Really waiting for this one to arrive in Germany. We'll get fat Etron S next month, but next one after that could really be an EHS9 or ES8. Would you rather take the Nio or Hongqi??
Nio
Don't get ES8, get ES7 if you don't need more than 5 seats. The 7's handling is so much better.
@@USAF25 EHS9 is one level higher than ES8, so of course it's better. But Nio has very good after sales service, that's a big plus.
@@brian.z6592 3 kids + a dog ... Question answered? 😅
@@USAF25 I'm not talking about the regular after-sale service. Nio created a whole new concept of service, bring car owners lots of convenience and activities during the ownership. Nio is doing this quite well in China, and it said it will bring this model to Europe, let's see how it'll work out.
Looks great
The arctic circle song gave me the feels man
LOL Thanks for making me laugh Bjorn 😂 In China, I’d imagine chauffeurs would drive people around in that car. Pretty impressive all things considered.
Hongqi is more or less associated with the image of being a brand for official state cars. Nowadays only 'fonctionnaires haut placés' in China would have dedicated chauffeurs.
So this is there full EV. There plug in was nice
This Chinese beast look fascinating!
I had a dream I saw you charging up. In the dream I stopped and asked, "you like that shit?" Shook your hand and left 😵💫🥴
Finally a 6-7 seater EV that not crazy expensive
Hey Bjorn Thanks for your nice videos, Please rent a 7 seater Hongqi and make sleep challenge video, We wonder to know how big will be the trunk with all 5 seats folded.
Hahaha, to be honest I like the new look of the Niro Björn ;)
I guess the reason why it slows down through a curve, may be to prevent the center of gravity from shifting outside the vehicle so it doesnt topple/roll over.
Nope, wrong assumption.
You're hilarious :) Love your videos😂
A new BMW X series was born,same Front area,super efficient?
just realized that i4 M50 weights 101% in your weight excel😱 at 18.09
Beautiful car
Hongqi should make deal with Bassbrothers!
Have you seen Skywell ET5 ?
@2:19 That is good shit, Björn but it needs to be a hydrogen EV to be feasable for all markets. Saves weight and is cheaper to produce in the long run and does not overload the power grid in case EV hit critical mass. 😊
Halo Indonesia 🇲🇨 lanjutkan
the pedestrian killer ?
Do you use sometimes german words? (schnell, langsam for example)
Fun fact: langsam is also the Norwegian words for slow. :-)
I love the looks
321 Wh/km…
6 seats and 5.2 m long...
@@bjornnyland Would like to see a highspeed run on German Autobahn 😁 Or at least a consumption prediction based on (front area a) * (drag coefficient cw) for certain highway speeds. Are there any websites with such calculators?
@@bjornnyland I'd wager they would rarely carry more then one passenger.
321 kmh/W 🙈💩
Hei Bjørn. Schnell cost 5000 + NOK ! I love the look but with just electric ...it´s no option for me! Mild hybrit yea , maybe !??
With 160+160 kw permanent mag motors, the consumption is waaaaay too high. We have the flagship model here in China (779.8K rmb - 100K discount), instant regret not buying a HiPhi X or es8 or the L9
What car did Bjorn cough was boring?
Kia Nero I suppose
我猜是电池技术和管理系统。
rolls royce will have an electric version btw
Yawn... I'm sure gangster rappers are interested.
@@dr.andersonsghost4315 Who cares about them ? Most RR customer would love an EV RR provided the range is good which it should have because its not constrained by money.
@@ciybersal9833 they r testing it right now there r videos
Just order Emily and the RR logo in the tuning shop of your choice 😁🙈💩
must be very aerodynamic ! definitely an efficient car, isn't it ? 😒
22kWh/100km at 90km/h : OMG 😱😱😱😱
Consumption was 215 Wh/km at 90 km/h. And remember that this is a 5.2 m big car with space for 6 people and luggage.
Very aerodynamic in comparison to what exactly? Because let's be honest, all these fat cars seem to be as aerodynamic as a cardboard box on wheels 😅
(I'm not complaining, I drive a fat Chinese car myself. 🤣)
Have you taken into consideration the new asphalt compared to the other tests? I saw there’s new smooth asphalt in several parts.
It's irrelevant. Other stretches without new asphalt will then have more worn out surface.
Seriously a Rolls Royce, sorry, I don’t see it at all. It does remind me of a Lincoln Navigator from the US though. Some of those plastics look cheap around the displays but I do like the vehicle. Interesting to see the Chinese brands offering’s, even if this isn’t something I’d get.
www.motorauthority.com/news/1118648_ex-rolls-royce-design-boss-to-pen-models-for-chinese-luxury-brand-hongqi
06:53 it's not a nice Porsche 🤣
Hey let's go!
This 💩 is amazing!
Do you growing up in Germany? Please do a test in winter time when it´s -20 ´C ! Danke! 😁👍
We could do with some smaller cars. Far too many massive giants being introduced.
Some people also need big cars. Just look at the big fossil cars.
@@bjornnyland they may want big cars, they don't need them.
@@bjornnyland Not sure ‘need’ is the correct word. ‘Like’ or ‘want’ maybe. Seeing how a Model 3 or ID4 can carry 4 people happily I think vehicles like this are purely about status. The bigger the vehicle the more the owners think they are better than the rest of the population.
But that’s just my thoughts.
@@bjornnyland I'm with you, am holding out for a 7 seater EV to reach Australia/NZ. The boot space and seat option is something we have in an ICE wagon and need for our family
@@FFVoyager Don't be too narrow-minded. Lots of people actually *need* big cars. Just look at families who bought Model X. If you don't know what I'm talking about, go to a Tesla supercharger on a Friday afternoon.
I don't know what it is. But this car reminds me of some other movie character/car. That evil front design, I think I have seen this somewhere already, but I don't get it where.
Weighs more than Rolls Royce’s!
*Royces
Looks like Homer Simpson designed it.
Dare to copy you mean? It's a direct (China) copy of the Rolls Royce Cullinan.
Watch and learn:
www.motorauthority.com/news/1118648_ex-rolls-royce-design-boss-to-pen-models-for-chinese-luxury-brand-hongqi
@@bjornnyland lol. What does that have to do with anything? Cullian was released in 2018! It has RR looks - look at the Rolls Royce Phantom. Who cares if one of their designers joined their team. They are copying designs, like all things China.
My 2014 Model S with its MCU1 seems really snappy and responsive compared to this new luxury car 🤣
It's quite an interesting experience to compare the two (what I did too).
Yes, the 2014 Model S is like a good stiff racing bike where you really feel a direct connection between the pedals and the tyres pulling you forward.
However, *still* somehow the Hongqi *subtly* accellerates you to the desired speed. Perhaps it's a limitation of the jerk and/or jounce that makes it feel like you are suddenly up to 100 km/h without you even noticing it, and still quicker than a Model S 2014.
But yes, both cars are very nice experiences, in different ways. A bit like if you love your good stiff racing bike, you might still enjoy an electric assisted, fully suspended city bike for other trips.
@@IsakSwahn
My comment had nothing to do with driving experience or acceleration. I said that the MCU (computer and screen in the car) is snappier and more responsive in my 2014 model S, which is insane compared to a 2022 model Hongqi. For some reason Tesla seemes to be the only car manufacturer that actually understand the importance of user experience in the computer and screen. If I upgrade my old MCU to the second generation, my carn is basically working as an ipad in responsiveness, while many of the competitors (yes even premium ones like BMW and Mercedes) seems more like an old laggy smartphone from 2014.
Imagine the social credit to get this !
Finally. Let's see how far the tyrant can go
Can't say that i agree with the design, both Hongqi and BYD remind me of absurd american cars such as the escalade and hummer. I would be ashamed to be seen in either in a country like Norway.
If you get ashamed driving around in a car you have other issues👍
@@Lucas-wp2ph Not wanting to look like a dick is an issue?
Both those cars doesn't have any shape or design of american designs, check your eyes 🤣
I wouldn't be ashamed... But, that's probably because I would never buy such a ugly car.
They nav interface is so slooooowwwww though.
waiting for 0%battery test
Tell that to bmw who are designing models like bugs bunny wild cousin
This is a brute of a car with a minuscule range. 160 miles is not practical.
There are too many similarly priced cars that are far more economical and with better UIs.
They better keep it in China, imo.
Why?
ok racist clown get a life🤣🤣🤮
@@bjornnyland because we need to stop buying things from oppressive totalitarian countrys
@@bjornnyland Ok it depends. If you have to tow something and need the space, then it might be an alternative to a fossil SUV. I hope a tank like this could tow at least 3t. I'm not against big cars in general. Model X should be more efficient? The Buzz with LWB and bigger battery, thats what I'm waiting for. God kveld.
X7 copy. Scrap it.
Dictators Car 😂, Nice Burn 🔥🔥
Guess it is true for the Chinese and Thais 😏
OMG is that car a paper bag job.......talk about ugly, no way.
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so the revolutionary forces would cazch up quickly with the tyrant when it has to stop every 200km because he will race when teying to get out of the country and at 140kmh it probably guzzles up 400Wh/km 🤣😂 So even a fat Hummer or Rolls Royce is a safer choice to escape as a dictstor 😂
I don’t have a problem buying a Chinese car, the problem I have is that I don’t know how well it can hold its own in time. The Chinese still have a lot to prove regarding building cars and that will only come in time.
This is FAW. They know how to build cars.
Sure. Its over 40 years ago VW started making Santana ( Passat sedan) in China only. Chinese Geely is the only manufactorer of Volvo s90.
You will have a problem, all ev BMWs are Chinese, mg is Chinese, polestar is Chinese, if you are in Asia's and Europe the Tesla 3 is Chinese, and do on...
Don't forget Polestar 2.
@@tomooo2637 EV BMW is produced exclusively in Germany…
Man, I find this space ship so ugly from the outside...
Very Good looking of you compare it too the german cars right now. Ix50 eqc, id4🤮🤮
How can we make a really ugly looking Rolls Royce 🤣🤣🤣
Wannabe rappers and drug dealers will be all over this one 😂
Edit: And Arabs too..
You mean the Cullinan?
try harder racist clown 🤣🤣🤣🤡
Wow! This thing might beat the Fiat Multipla for title of the ugliest car ever created! My God it’s ugly…
ugliest car on the planet
Sorry , this is a ugly car.
Woeful energy consumption. I know it's a fat, overweight (faux) 'luxury' car but really, less than 2mi/kWh at 120kmh. That's more than dreadful.
The idiots that buy this shit deserve the huge energy bills they will have to pay to drive it.
So basically what you're saying is that people who buy fat e-trons are idiots...
Are you high? It has 6 seats. It can be the difference between needing only ONE car in the househould and on longer trips vs using TWO cars.
@@bjornnyland yes!
Not unlike those who drive a v12 around: terrible fuel consumption and a huge gas bill! I wonder if that would be of a pressing concern to the intended buyers though.
@@theolich4384 I agree, they are shockingly wasteful.
Chineseum....? No thanks....!
It is the future. Seems to be the only smart country left int this world.🇨🇳
Björn I am a real fan of your style at testing EV-cars, but for several reasons I think you should stop giving so much attention to these Chinese products. I would never consider buying one. Think of what would happen when China attacks Taiwan, like Russia is attacking Ukraine at this moment. EU would immediately start boycotting everything coming from there, owners of Chinese cars then would get into big troubles I imagine.
it's not like Russina and Ukraine, Taiwan official name is Republic of China, unfinished chinese civil war
what about boycotting the us? selling arms to saudi arabia
@@jacoblam8433 I wasn’t trying to start a discussion about which country should be boycotted. I tried to imagine what situation would occur if China started this mentioned attack. It’s very well possible that the world would react the same way it did after Russia started ware fare. From that moment on owners of Chinese cars may find big problems with getting spare parts and sufficient service. So for that reason I won’t buy a Chinese car.
Simple fact: Taiwan is part of China, it's not a sovereign country, like Ukraine... And also, if war happens and EU decides to boycott, European people would probably have problems before the Chinese. Just look what crisis that Europe is having after the war right at this moment.
@@mikez3421 by the way. they have boycott huawei
Man thats an ugly car lol. Both interior and exterior looks so tacky and soulless.
Who are Bilkomponeter.no and what do they do as a sponsor? You don’t mention them by name in the opening segment.
The opening segment is already quite long.
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