I met a pastor, Army retired in Camp Lejuene, NC in 2012. He treated his wife like the women in the cage. His wife was not allowed to leave the kitchen and speak to us without permission. One time I was talking to him about stocks. His wife chimed in and he yelled at her to stay in her place and shut up.
Mr. Reed’s end game was to convert Paxton into becoming one of his caged women. He breaks these women down spiritually and then controls them physically as well. His double was indeed trying to warn the girls. This means these ladies were not the first to fall victim to this test. It also means the women in the cages are probably from many different religions. So why does Paxton fight back? She seems like the weaker of the two but even in the beginning she is the one bringing up taboo subjects. She is not scared to put her personal faith to the test. I also interpreted the ending as a hallucination. Barnes was the angel, there was white snow, and she hallucinated the butterfly.
@@robbyroba I think Sister Barnes was a guardian angel for Paxton. Paxton was able to walk with a wound to her stomach. I think she escaped, found help, and under hypnosis was able to describe where the house was. She was determined enough and young so a wound to her stomach wouldn't have done her in. The butterfly was sent to help Paxton.
I think Paxton escaped, but died in the snow, which emulated the heavens, and she reincarnated into the butterfly (which she foreshadowed earlier in the movie), and leaving her former self.
It could be that Paxton killed Reed with the nailed stick, but because of her extreme guilt for being pushed to violence, she hallucinated the rest of the events of the film. A sophomoric possibility, but it's another option.
I was raised in a hyper-religious family, and because of this I am now an atheist. I personally see the ending as this: Sister Barnes wasn't killed immediately, she lost consciousness from blood loss and was likely able to stop the flow of blood somehow while alone, she then used the last of her strength to save her friend before finally succumbing to her injury. Sister Paxton then did make it outside but due to blood loss and her state of mind she began imagining that her friend had taken the form of a butterfly and she sat there in the snow injured and hallucinating but still alive and maybe able to find help.
The acting and the dialogue were great! The directors and producers did a great job of making a movie that keeps the audience's interest while challenging the faith of religion. a24 creates another great movie with a low-budget, BRAVO! 👏
I noticed a few minor contradictions, but ONE BIG point/question. When all is said the heretic Reed is asked why he is so controlling and he replies: "Why do you let me?" His answer is referring to the 8 billion population that chooses to be controlled, seeks it, sacrifices everything for it. WHY? Since early youth I noticed this, asked about it, and got no rational answer, only appeals to imagination or personal emotions. I noticed the particular form it took was usually determined by the society/and or the family. But still, WHY? I was influenced by my family, but not in the same way. I took all the good advice and rejected the bad, e.g., my mother was superstitious, which I strongly rejected, even identified as a mental problem which horrified me. Sometimes it was like living with a crazy person. My father was not superstitious but he wouldn't advise me against a specific belief usually, instead he told me the more important a decision, the more important it is to think it over and decide for yourself. That was a little disconcerting at first, then "I thought about being independent, tried it, reached my own conclusion about religion, and I felt proud that I had reached a deep personal commitment to my self." As the years passed, I would get only one side of an argument, which made finding out the truth much more difficult, but I did it, despite the propaganda. At 12, living in the ghetto with gangs, I figured out the biggest gang was the government and was as immoral as all gangs are. When I stated this, I was called an anarchist, and no one had ever pitched this politics to me. I had only heard the opposite argument for authority, never against it. But, like being sold religion in church, I got only one side and still thought it out and reached the truth. I had become an atheist. The "Heretic" doesn't answer "Why do you let me?" except to say, "It makes me feel good, e.g., safe." Is ignorance so painful that you must alleviate it with a drug, e.g., a superstition?
Spoilers . . . . . . . Paxton did die in the end. But one critical piece of information you didn't mention was Barnes' conversation about her near death experience. What Paxton is experiencing in the end isn't necessarily entering the afterlife, it's a visual representation of her thinking about her butterfly during the final moments before her brain shuts down. They all died in the basement.
I think she’s dead. She got stabbed in the stomach (or perhaps more specifically the womb. Symbolism? ). She wouldn’t have been standing like that at the end if she had a wound like that. Also I forget if you mentioned this but Sister Barnes would have herself been a resurrection even if just for a short time. Leave it to the Philly girl to land the killing blow. 🦅
It’s not possible for a movie to envelope the commentary of religion into the summation of control. It’s missing the point and it’s over-simplistic and misses the point. The very last scene of the movie was the butterfly that was never there. So what was real? Is the question that begins at the very end.
The whole movie is one long atheistic hallucination by Mr. Reed. He has the amazing anti-faith of an atheist, who wishes he could control EVERYONE with his atheistic “power religion.” This is why he’s always controlling the girls in ALMOST every scene, but not all. Mr. Reed is living all alone, in his completely fabricated “A24” universe, except for the women he’s managed to capture and control (or kill). These are his atheistic “shawties” who symbolically represent ALL the religions of the world. So even Mr. Reed’s notion of “disbelief” presupposes an even greater belief in controlling people and their beliefs, whether these beliefs correspond with reality or not. Think about it: if atheism is physically and ideologically predicated upon a giant Big Bang billions of years ago, and the chaotic evolution of human consciousness and belief/disbelief over millennia, then there is no greater power religion in this world than atheism. And not even an evidentialist or scientific approach to an ultimately chaotic Big Bang that just keeps “banging away” over time, can save anyone from getting ground up in this giant cosmic meat grinder, not even (or especially) the ultimate power religion itself - atheism! And this is why atheism is always preying (and praying!) on the weak and the powerless in movies like this? If two strong-headed and fully-jacked Christian or Muslim dudes had come a knockin’ on Mr. Reed’s door, he would’ve been sent to his Maker pretty quickly. But no, in his atheistic hallucinations, it had to be two sweet Mormon girls instead. And then there’s the ending: this was where Mr. Reed’s power and control religion just belly-flopped. He could not control the final outcomes for either of these faithful girls. Paxton came back to life, just to save her friend and crush his skull (i.e., crush the head of the serpent, just like Eve was told she would do in the Garden), and then she dies on her own terms, not his. And then the other girl makes it out of Hell/Inferno alive as well. But remember, this is all happening in his fever-pitched atheistic hallucination, so it really doesn’t matter whether she physically made it out of his house, or just metaphorically, or simply as a result of electro-chemical “brain spurts” at death - the point is that atheism always loses in the end. Not only can atheism not defeat God and human existence, but it ALSO ENDS UP COMPLETELY DESTROYING ITSELF, especially when it is completely turned in on itself. Atheism destroys atheism. And so atheism is the worst form of heresy that exists.
Lucifer presented a plan to God that all man should be free to choose anything they want and not suffer the consequences. His plan was rejected. Do you believe that murder is a sin. Then you believe in God's plan that there are consequences for bad behavior. What's with your stupid rhetoric?
I had the same problem with this one as I had with Speak No Evil. You coulda changed the title to both of these movies to “Ain’t No Way!” There were way too many opportunities to just NOT follow him, overtake him, hit him, beat his head in, make him open the damn door. It just took me all the way out. And they Nexplanon all wrong. My daughter and I both have it. There is no scar, and it’s a flexible plastic rod.
I met a pastor, Army retired in Camp Lejuene, NC in 2012. He treated his wife like the women in the cage. His wife was not allowed to leave the kitchen and speak to us without permission. One time I was talking to him about stocks. His wife chimed in and he yelled at her to stay in her place and shut up.
Mr. Reed’s end game was to convert Paxton into becoming one of his caged women. He breaks these women down spiritually and then controls them physically as well. His double was indeed trying to warn the girls. This means these ladies were not the first to fall victim to this test. It also means the women in the cages are probably from many different religions. So why does Paxton fight back? She seems like the weaker of the two but even in the beginning she is the one bringing up taboo subjects. She is not scared to put her personal faith to the test. I also interpreted the ending as a hallucination. Barnes was the angel, there was white snow, and she hallucinated the butterfly.
I think Paxton did escape and went for help for those poor women.
@@danielhainline8882 Yeah, I think she did.
@@robbyroba I think Sister Barnes was a guardian angel for Paxton. Paxton was able to walk with a wound to her stomach. I think she escaped, found help, and under hypnosis was able to describe where the house was. She was determined enough and young so a wound to her stomach wouldn't have done her in. The butterfly was sent to help Paxton.
I think Paxton escaped, but died in the snow, which emulated the heavens, and she reincarnated into the butterfly (which she foreshadowed earlier in the movie), and leaving her former self.
I think you need to watch the movie again.
It could be that Paxton killed Reed with the nailed stick, but because of her extreme guilt for being pushed to violence, she hallucinated the rest of the events of the film. A sophomoric possibility, but it's another option.
I was raised in a hyper-religious family, and because of this I am now an atheist. I personally see the ending as this: Sister Barnes wasn't killed immediately, she lost consciousness from blood loss and was likely able to stop the flow of blood somehow while alone, she then used the last of her strength to save her friend before finally succumbing to her injury. Sister Paxton then did make it outside but due to blood loss and her state of mind she began imagining that her friend had taken the form of a butterfly and she sat there in the snow injured and hallucinating but still alive and maybe able to find help.
She would have screamed or resisted in some way when he sliced her arm open and tugged at her veins
@@VegetableTelevision She was in SHOCK and felt nothing. Or she was DEAD and resurrected by divine intervention to save her friend.
The acting and the dialogue were great! The directors and producers did a great job of making a movie that keeps the audience's interest while challenging the faith of religion. a24 creates another great movie with a low-budget, BRAVO! 👏
I noticed a few minor contradictions, but ONE BIG point/question. When all is said the heretic Reed is asked why he is so controlling and he replies: "Why do you let me?"
His answer is referring to the 8 billion population that chooses to be controlled, seeks it, sacrifices everything for it. WHY? Since early youth I noticed this, asked about it, and got no rational answer, only appeals to imagination or personal emotions. I noticed the particular form it took was usually determined by the society/and or the family. But still, WHY? I was influenced by my family, but not in the same way. I took all the good advice and rejected the bad, e.g., my mother was superstitious, which I strongly rejected, even identified as a mental problem which horrified me. Sometimes it was like living with a crazy person. My father was not superstitious but he wouldn't advise me against a specific belief usually, instead he told me the more important a decision, the more important it is to think it over and decide for yourself. That was a little disconcerting at first, then "I thought about being independent, tried it, reached my own conclusion about religion, and I felt proud that I had reached a deep personal commitment to my self."
As the years passed, I would get only one side of an argument, which made finding out the truth much more difficult, but I did it, despite the propaganda. At 12, living in the ghetto with gangs, I figured out the biggest gang was the government and was as immoral as all gangs are. When I stated this, I was called an anarchist, and no one had ever pitched this politics to me. I had only heard the opposite argument for authority, never against it. But, like being sold religion in church, I got only one side and still thought it out and reached the truth. I had become an atheist.
The "Heretic" doesn't answer "Why do you let me?" except to say, "It makes me feel good, e.g., safe." Is ignorance so painful that you must alleviate it with a drug, e.g., a superstition?
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Paxton did die in the end. But one critical piece of information you didn't mention was Barnes' conversation about her near death experience. What Paxton is experiencing in the end isn't necessarily entering the afterlife, it's a visual representation of her thinking about her butterfly during the final moments before her brain shuts down. They all died in the basement.
I think she’s dead. She got stabbed in the stomach (or perhaps more specifically the womb. Symbolism? ). She wouldn’t have been standing like that at the end if she had a wound like that.
Also I forget if you mentioned this but Sister Barnes would have herself been a resurrection even if just for a short time. Leave it to the Philly girl to land the killing blow. 🦅
It’s not possible for a movie to envelope the commentary of religion into the summation of control. It’s missing the point and it’s over-simplistic and misses the point. The very last scene of the movie was the butterfly that was never there. So what was real? Is the question that begins at the very end.
In the ‘cage room’ they show these things spraying….. what’s up with that? Drugs?
The whole movie is one long atheistic hallucination by Mr. Reed. He has the amazing anti-faith of an atheist, who wishes he could control EVERYONE with his atheistic “power religion.” This is why he’s always controlling the girls in ALMOST every scene, but not all. Mr. Reed is living all alone, in his completely fabricated “A24” universe, except for the women he’s managed to capture and control (or kill). These are his atheistic “shawties” who symbolically represent ALL the religions of the world. So even Mr. Reed’s notion of “disbelief” presupposes an even greater belief in controlling people and their beliefs, whether these beliefs correspond with reality or not. Think about it: if atheism is physically and ideologically predicated upon a giant Big Bang billions of years ago, and the chaotic evolution of human consciousness and belief/disbelief over millennia, then there is no greater power religion in this world than atheism. And not even an evidentialist or scientific approach to an ultimately chaotic Big Bang that just keeps “banging away” over time, can save anyone from getting ground up in this giant cosmic meat grinder, not even (or especially) the ultimate power religion itself - atheism!
And this is why atheism is always preying (and praying!) on the weak and the powerless in movies like this? If two strong-headed and fully-jacked Christian or Muslim dudes had come a knockin’ on Mr. Reed’s door, he would’ve been sent to his Maker pretty quickly. But no, in his atheistic hallucinations, it had to be two sweet Mormon girls instead.
And then there’s the ending: this was where Mr. Reed’s power and control religion just belly-flopped. He could not control the final outcomes for either of these faithful girls. Paxton came back to life, just to save her friend and crush his skull (i.e., crush the head of the serpent, just like Eve was told she would do in the Garden), and then she dies on her own terms, not his. And then the other girl makes it out of Hell/Inferno alive as well. But remember, this is all happening in his fever-pitched atheistic hallucination, so it really doesn’t matter whether she physically made it out of his house, or just metaphorically, or simply as a result of electro-chemical “brain spurts” at death - the point is that atheism always loses in the end. Not only can atheism not defeat God and human existence, but it ALSO ENDS UP COMPLETELY DESTROYING ITSELF, especially when it is completely turned in on itself. Atheism destroys atheism. And so atheism is the worst form of heresy that exists.
its ok timmy , you can relax now
@@lorandd.9126 Oh, do I have your permission now, wangster?
@ Do I have your permission now, wangster? Idiot.
Has anyone noticed he looks like Elijah Woods?
Lucifer presented a plan to God that all man should be free to choose anything they want and not suffer the consequences. His plan was rejected. Do you believe that murder is a sin. Then you believe in God's plan that there are consequences for bad behavior. What's with your stupid rhetoric?
I had the same problem with this one as I had with Speak No Evil. You coulda changed the title to both of these movies to “Ain’t No Way!” There were way too many opportunities to just NOT follow him, overtake him, hit him, beat his head in, make him open the damn door. It just took me all the way out. And they Nexplanon all wrong. My daughter and I both have it. There is no scar, and it’s a flexible plastic rod.
Don`t think they would of used islam