DOC HARLEY: EASIER CLUTCH PULL PRE-05
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- Doc Harley from the Service Clinic at Low Country Harley-Davidson to help you with the health of your motorcycle! This week he talks about the effort needed to pull in the clutch lever and the difference between an 18 degree ramp and 21 degree ramp.
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Doc Harley is a motorcycle technician at Low Country Harley-Davidson with over thirty years working on motorcycles. Over the years at the dealership he has worked on Harley-Davidson, Buell, and Triumph motorcycles with a few other brands here and there from trade-ins. There are thousands of how-to videos out on youtube and other websites across the world. Doc’s goal is to help solve problems that people run into when using their service manual, share insights only found as a certified Harley® technician, and some of the tips he’s picked up over the years.
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In 2004 I bought a New Ultra classic and riding in heavy traffic stop and go made it rough on my older wrist. I looked up all types of things to help and did not care for them. I was at the dealer in 2005 talking to a friend, one of their parts guys. He told me to walk over and pull the clutch on a new 2005. Boy it sure was nice and he told me about this part. Well the bike was still under warranty and I was not going to chance anything going wrong so I bought the part and they installed it. This is 2019 and I can still pull the clutch with 2 fingers if I want to, I have had 0 problems with this change and since never had a wrist problem in any type of traffic. Love it and would do it again. I'm a OLD mechanic that pulled to many wrenches over the years. Thanks for the video's! Added to your list now with dirty thumbs up.
Mr Doc Harley should have his own television show! This guy makes this stuff bearable and easy to understand!
Doc, you're a wealth of info and you have a great presence on camera.
Excellent info Doc.... The videos you do are the best on you tube! Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge!
Super video! Great information! Thank you!
Great heads up Doc for checking those ball bearings in the race. Thanks
Thanks for the video Doc, I've had one of these kits in mind for a few months now, just have other things to do first but I'm gonna get one before it gets cold.
Thanks Doc, new project for my 2010 Road King.
Yup, need this on my 05 low rider.
You keep making me improve my Dyna. 👍👊
Great stuff Doc!
Another great tip Doc
Thanks Doc!
Wow...Nice info Doc.
THANK YOU! I have a 2001 Fat Boy and experiencing everything you talked about. I took off the cover to replace my cable and the cable is still nice and free with no sticking. I decided to investigate the situation and you my friend have given me the answer. THANK YOU!
Did this exact kit on my 02 FatBoy. What a big difference. I originally just wanted to replace my OEM clutch cable with a newer OEM cable (worried the old one was going to snap), and I fig since I was going to attempt this myself and was taking apart the cable assembly, I might as well get the reduced effort kit. Best decision I ever made. Instructions were easy, and I learned how to do it myself, which got my confidence level up to do other things on the bike as needed. Highly recommend it for those with similar style clutch. 👍😎
Which kit did you go with? I'm not sure if Doc was saying that the Mueller kit was better than the Harley kit or the same or what....
I went with the Harley kit, as there was no “other” brand kit at that time. I figured if it was made by Harley, it should work without any major mods or issues, and it’s been at least ten years and 20k miles later without any issues 😉
@@SA-hk8xj Glad to hear, thanks for getting back. The Muller kit seems to be popular lately although pretty pricey, I may go with that one, still debating...
I just bought an 02 fatboy and my fucking hand is sore as shit after riding for 10 minutes, I need to get this installed
You belong on the radio or tv!!!
Thanks for the info. Your awesome!
If the clutch has been properly adjusted not only at the cable but inside behind derby cover and the cable has been properly lubed you don't need to waste your money on that kit which we sell at our dealership.
Doc Harley, I have watched many of your video and gained a lot of useful tips from you but there may be another option to begin with before starting an upgrade. True 06 and later is a bit easier than 05 and older. However is is not that much more as we (bride and I) have an 00, 03 and 06, As the bikes age it is necessary to lubricate the cable to restore easy operation. My bride rides the 03 FXDL. It was getting a bit harder over the years. I started researching UA-cam for help. This was the second video I watched and figured I would get the kit and upgrade the FXDL but first I would lubricate the cable as the first video I watched just for kicks and giggles. To my surprise we no longer require the kit for her to continue riding as is. It made a huge difference for her to squeeze the clutch lever. Now with that said, I would do the upgrade if and when a new clutch cable is required.
Thank you, I know what I need to look at
Thanks Doc, I installed this on my 05 FXD and what a difference it made. I had hand surgery on my clutch hand and its a life saver. If anyone is on the fence about doing this, all I can say is do it you will have a smile when your sitting in stop and go traffic
Thanks for sharing your story....Doc
Good information here 100%
Helps a lot,thanks
Thank You
Thanks Doc verry Nice
Hey Doc-Hd u made 😃. 👍Up for you &low county halery Davidson.
Thanks 👍..Doc
Great video and great information. I went with the Muller Power Clutch on my EVO, what a difference!
did you stay with the stock diaphragm?
@@asamcdaniel5167 Yes.
I needed this. Just bought a 99 dyna. Feels like it takes about 15 ftbls to pull the clutch in. 😬
I have a 2014 Electra Glide Limited and wanting to make my clutch easier to pull!
Hey Doc, i put this on my 2005 Ultra Classic and it was a big relief on my hand. One would think that this would be a standard item on a Ultra Classic, but no they bleed you for every cent they can get. Take Care Brother
As we get older it is these little things that keep us in the wind…..Doc
Doc, i just purchased theharley Davidson kit to ease the pull on my 2003 wg cluchmentioned in your vid video would you add to this vid showi g how to replace the diaphragm spring? I would appreciate any help that you can offer.thank you for the tremendous assistance you offer everyone watching your videos.thank you and stay well sir.
Thank you! 🤘🤝
Our pleasure, thank you for watching Sergey…..Doc
Nice tip! I will install in my HD the HD original. Question what is that catalog you show with aftermarket parts?
Man, I’ve never thought my 04 was hard at all. Lube the cable, adjust the clutch and it seems plenty easy to me. I’m no iron man by any stretch either I promise.
As we age our hands have less strength.
Can you take a measurement of the pounds of pressure required to pull in the clutch from standard to the updated kit?
Great if ur riding style ordained with hard fast changes and fast standing changes thu gears on back wheel at fast take speeds up to high speed
I have an 05 heritage. It has the SE 6 speed and the CVO hydraulic clutch. Very nice pull but non-adjustable. Once I got used to it it is great. I also noticed that with standard dino HD transmission oil it does not shift as well as with synthetic oil. Still fine just not as sweet as with synthetic. With synthetic oil it shifts better than any HD I have ridden and there have been alot since the mid 70s. Just my 2 cents to add to the conversation. Would synthetic help with the standard clutch setup meaning cable?
I love those videos, but I have a 96 Sporter and none of these shops around here will work anything that old where can I go to see if there any upgrades?
There are several XL Forums on the Net. Sportsters owners can be very passionate about their Harleys...Doc
Can those pockets be polished for smoother operation. Just cleaned up, not a lot of metal removal?
Is there a kit for the 2011 road king police to make it easier to pull the clutch
Check into Mueller ball and ramp product....Doc
I wish there was a way to make the hydraulic clutch lighter on 2018 touring models.
Can you please let me know what I can use on my 2021 RoadKing. It's a cable clutch. Please and thank you!
Have and 87 springer softail that clutch is ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY RIDICULOUSLY HARD & always need adjustment or some kind of attention , any ideas on making it easier/ function better Doc ?? Thanks
What happens if you have a heavy duty clutch diaphragm in. Will the 18* work then ?
This is part number 36808-05. This is not for use with SE parts.
Hey Doc, do you have a video covering the diaphragm spring replacement, and if not could you do one?
Thanks for the suggestion but the Factory Service Manual is very good at explaining with pictures. ~ Doc
Doc, this was a great bit of info.
My clutch is killing me in stop and go traffic.
The Muller kit is $200 the Harley kit is $50.
Is there a reason I should spend the extra $150?
Depends. The HD will give relief from what you have. The Mueller will give the easiest pull....Doc
Can you do an install video? I’m really not good at being a self made mechanic 🤣
Doc: Any easy clutch pull options for a 2016 fatboy S? (Hydraulic clutch)
Not through Harley parts. Aftermarket yes. Check out AIM clutch products. Thanks ~ Doc
Hey Doc great info, will the 36808-05 parts fit a 1996 flht electra glide standard? Thanks in advance. when i look the part number up on line they say it doesnt fit?
If it says it does not fit then there has to be a reason....Doc
What book is that with parts?
👍
Can this upgrade be done on a 1982 harley sporster
No...Doc
What about on my 03 Softail I have the screaming eagle plate and in the future put a Barnett scorpion would it help to change from 21° to 18°
I have not tried that combination so I do not know. Thanks ~ Doc
This kit is now discontinued for anyone else that watches this video and wants to buy it. Just an FYI. If you type the part # into Harley's website nothing will come up.
Still in the 2023 catalog….Doc
Hey Don, will this work on a 1977 Harley Cafe Racer (XLCR)? My hands are old and arthritic. My XLCR is in VERY good condition, but the clutch kills my hand. Thanks.
OOOOooooo You own a XLCR!!!! No this will not help. But your clutch has 2 clutch springs in the clutch basket. Take one out. but of coarse you won't win any drag races then....Doc
Doc I have a 95 cube motor. Can I leave the existing diaphragm spring in and just change the ball and ramp? I am concerned the clutch might slip with the new diaphragm spring.
You might be right. I have always installed the complete kit….Doc
Hey Doc. You know what’s frightening......... you actually look like me , or do I look like you ...... by the way my picture on my profile is not me it’s my dog Alfie. Love the info. All the best.
Doc, why is it that the Muller clutch assembly does not come with a diaphram like the Harley one?
They designed it to work with the stock spring. HD came at the project from a different “complete kit” view…..Doc
Hey Doc, what is the cause/cure of the balls/ball completely coming out of the ramp and holding the clutch engaged?
When adjusting clutch make sure the lever and handle are in the natural position. If you loosen cable and pull the lever with cable and then adjust you have pulled the ramp assembly in the position with the balls out and the adjustment is false....Doc
Mate my 08 deluxe is a bastard after a few hours
Doc I'm getting old but I'm not that bad yet
Do they make after market easily shift please
Cheers mate hope all is good over your part of the world
Look into the Mueller clutch ball and ramp. Everyone that has installed this is pleased with the results. A bit pricey but worth it. Thanks ~ Doc
Hold about a hard to pull Evo clutch.
Recently been run of the road. And am looking for a 88 superglide to replace my 1200 sporty. Why do i do this to my poor wallet. Already looking for mods.
Doc, I'm guessing this won't fit a 1995 sportster 883? I'm little with xsmall hands and this clutch has my forearm on fire in 10 mins of parking lot practice. Obviously, I've gotta strengthen my hands and arms but if there's anything mechanical that could help me out, I would greatly appreciate any feedback. 😘😊
Look into the German company called Meuller. They offer parts that have helped several of my customers. Thanks ~ Doc
Does anyone have a link on where to find this kit?
Your local Harley dealer🤷♂️…..Doc
DOC I have an 01 heritage softail classic,is my turn signal lights suppose to come on when i turn my lights on at night on the rear,my front blinker lights light up but my rear ones dont, thank you ahead of time for answer...
On the '01 the rear turn signals do not come on as running lights from the factory when produced. Harley does offer a harness that can be installed to do that.
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson doc thanks for info ,and please keep up the good work....
Doc since this seems to be a design problem, shouldn't the motor cpmpany resolve at thier expense?
Thanks sir
Development with improvements is an on going process. What was not known before is applied to future applications. …Doc
Doc, in your video you say that the reduced effort clutch kit fits pre-05 big twin bikes. However, when I go to the Harley website to order one, and enter my ride as a 1995 Softail Custom, it states the "this kit will not fit your bike". What gives?
It’s for twin cam engines, not evos.
Hey Doc. I just went and got a used 2007 Road King. Clutch is really hard to pull. Is this bike part of this issue? Or could it just need adjusting? It does have steel braided cables both clutch, and brakes so idk if that has anything to do with it
Not knowing the previous owners modifications I would start by lubing cable, pins and lever. Follow the Service Manual procedure. Or bring it to your trusted HD tech for a complete adjustment…..Doc
when I start the my 2012 model m109r, the sound of rattling noise comes from the side of the clutch and as soon as you press the clutch lever, the sound stops what is the problem of the thing please help me
I do not have a Manual for a m109r.....Doc
Doc, have an 03 dyna and purchased the H D kit that corrects the cluch pull, however, the kit did not contain 3 new ball bearings. Can these be purchased separately? Thanks for your help sir.
Yes they can be purchased. Though not many dealers keep them in stock….Doc
Thank you very much doc.
Stay well sir.
Is there a kit for a 2012 Sportster?
Not from H-D but Mueller offers one for your sportster
Question does the word Pre stand for before ...05 or after ??
before....Doc
Will it work on my 80" evo? No upgrades to powertrain
No this clutch upgrade will not work on your 80 Evo
Hi Doc, i resently installed the Meuller Power Clutch on my '13 FLHTK, because of my arthrosis in my left hand. The clutch lever is much better to handel, but now another annoying problem arises. The clutch no longer disengages properly, making shifting very poor. This problem is even described in the installation instructions (**lever actions and clutch won't displace accurately, shifting may be harder**), but that can only be read after the product has been purchased. I've tried everything, but it doesn't help. Does the Harley Davidson set also have a smaller clearance, which means that the clutch does not release properly?
Peter this is new to me. I have installed many Meuller mechanical ball and ramp assembly with no issues. Their hydraulic unit is not as good in my opinion. Are you using OEM grips and levers? Custom grips or levers can reduce the travel of clutch components so disengagement is not complete….Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson hi Doc,
I also installed a Meuller in the ‘96 Electra from a friend, and he has no issues at all, …
As far as I know the levers are OEM. I also noticed a major amount of play in the chifter axle, (the one hidden behind the inner cover) and no, the bold is not loose 😅
I’m going to measure the pressureplate travel of the clutch. To see if maybe something is wrong there🤔
I have a 1988 FLHT and a FXR would this work on my bikes ????...... At 75 I do not have the strength in my hands as I once did.
I would suggest the Mueller clutch ramp aftermarket part....Doc
If I have a SE clutch do I need to replace the diaphragm spring out still
Did the SE clutch come with a new diaphragm spring? If so, no. Thanks ~ Doc
Dang I can't remember
Are these kits available for the new bikes???
That guy didn’t use synthetic in his trans 😲
Just bought A 2009 springer CVO had to leave it at my mom's on the way home from the dealership. The pull is way too heavy. my forearms are on fire. Can the 2009 be adjusted? I'm looking all over
It can be adjusted to factory specs. I would first clean and lube cable and lever. You would be amazed what lube can do in a dry rusty cable….Doc
@LowCountryHarleyDavidson it's hydraulic but I'll try to oil the lever today. I'm really not sure if that's it. The bike only has around 2,000 miles on it and so clean you can eat off it. I was looking around all last night and apparently I'm not the only one with this problem. I found a good video that looks like an aftermarket slave and master cylinder will fix the issue and will help a lot with the friction zone. It's either that or start walking around with one Popeye forearm. 🤣
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Hi Doc, pulled apart my 96 Dyna and found out that I already have an 18° part in there well that Mueller one work even better?
That works pretty good. With a well serviced cable I’m not sure it’s worth it….Doc
Thanks Doc for
Thanks Doc for the information and very fast reply, much appreciated!
Should I change to hydraulic clutch on my old 04 twin 88 sir doc?
No, you probably won’t like it.
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson thanks doc
Are the ball and ramps lubricated by the transmission oil ?
Buck Otte .yes. and use good oil. Ams oil or redline Hareley specific transmission oil. .
@@plop961 thanks !
I would like to do this on my ‘04 Ultra. Muller parts do not come with a diaphragm. Do I need to get one, or will it work without replacing diaphragm?
It will work....Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Thanks Doc! Love your videos!
Is there a kit for Evo too?
Nope, You gotta stay old school and keep everything lubed and adjusted....Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson thanks for quick answer. Yes, i've been doing just that. BTW, would be interesting if you'd make a video of sidecars some day, how to make it run straight and general maintenance etc.
I have a 2016 Sportster Roadster and on occasion when I release the clutch it makes like a squeak noise which almost sounds like the tire chirping but I am not chirping the tire please help me to solve this problem when you can thank you God bless
Please look at your drive sprocket nut, it may visually look okay but you need to try to re-torque it.
I test rode a '91 (I think if I remember right) low rider years ago and the gentleman told me that it had a heavy duty clutch in it. From the first shift through probably the 3rd it would sound like it was chirping the tires upon releasing the clutch. I think it was, not for sure but it sure felt like it. When I released the clutch I could definatley feel it grab hard.
One would think that the engineer team would have a cross section of REAL user's look at this before they go into production.
Wife has a 05 fatboy and put a hydraulic clutch which is a bit of a pull for her arm after a accident , would this help
Gab thanks for watching our videos. Sorry to hear about the wife’s issue. Going with a hydraulic clutch installation can get expensive with H-D parts because the clutch has to be changed too. 2 suggestions. Contact AIM. They make some of the best clutch parts. I am sure they can create a combination that will help. The other direction is a Rekluse clutch. It’s a kind of automatic clutch devise. You still have to use the clutch lever to put the bike in first but after that you just roll on the throttle and shift. The clutch will not engage until you roll on the throttle. Hope you find a solution. I really want her to keep in the wind. Thanks ~ Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson I will look into that. Thank you sir
So you have parts for both sides with this kit, or just the right side ?
Kit comes with right side inner and outer ramps and left side spring. Youll have to supply gaskets and oil. Thanks ~ Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Thanks Doc.
Doc, are the 3 balls available to buy ? Seems like a good time to change them. Also, could I just change the cable side and leave the clutch spring for another day ? I kind of hate to tamper with the clutch springs. Thanks, Bill.
@@wb4514 Balls rarely need replaced unless excessive condensation in Transmission fluid. Yes they are available separately. Yes you can do this update in steps but it won’t convert to “easy” until all is installed. Thanks ~ Doc
Low Country Harley-Davidson Thanks for your reply, Doc.
It’s always a “ kit” that is not free
Hey Doc, I have a 93 Sportster 1200. Will this fit my bike. If not what are my options?
No this will not. Look into the Mueller company....Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Thanks for the reply. So I have been scratching my head for a while. What I found out was the original owner changed to a chrome primary cover. HD part# 34951-95, which i think is for a 94 and Up Sportster. So i'm assuming i need this one.... Item: P1022632 SKU: 10263965.
Since it's a different primary cover any other suggestions besides Muller?
Why does it say it fits 06 and later right on the box...?? But you say pre 05
The box is saying that the improved reduced effort clutch comes stock on 2006 and later.
Low Country Harley-Davidson oh ok thanks
Earlier.........Before ?????
Pre-05.....Doc
These are for paper pushers
Tell the truth Doc, unfortunately you can't get the parts puppies behind the counter to look up anything that old. They can't be bothered. Reading this- buy a kit from DENNIS KIRK or JP CYCLES, and it will be cheaper, work as well, and you won't be INSULATED by some rude and obnoxious tough guy WANNABE behind the parts counter. Yes Doc, you're a true gentleman, but sorry the TRUTH is, Harley Dealers leave LITTLE TO BE DESIRED, unless of course you are a R.U.B. buying a new fully loaded dresser. And yes folks, the average person can do the conversion at home, you don't need a PhD. Master Technician. Which I am by the way. RIDE SAFE RIDE FREE 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
So which is the best kit, Mueller or the Harley kit?
@@bodeine454 doc says muller my mueller should be here in a few days ill let you know how it goes
man its sad but 90% of the time they are just straight dicks. every once in a while you'll find a good one.
You probably shouldnt ride a heavybike if you cant grip the clutch ha
Some people have arthritis in their hands or an old hand injury or who knows, ain't no shame in it....
Doc is a Guy From Chicago. Not this bird brain.
Lol harley-davidson makes shitty motorcycles...to sell you kits
Harley Davidson builds overpriced crap and then instead of recalling their bikes and fixing the crap. They charge YOU more for overpriced parts to fix their original crap. This is so typical of HD. It's no wonder there are so many more rice rockets that don't have any issues and that perform just fine right out of the box. Not to mention sucking the doors off of any Harley on the road.
Well Bill, Thankyou for coming on this video and sharing your wonderfull experience and knowledge....Doc