The Age of the Train - The history of the British Inter-City 125 train (2012, LD 480p)
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- Documentary about the Inter-City 125 train, which helped turn around British Rail's fortunes and was launched using a memorable advertising campaign fronted by Sir Jimmy Savile.
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Jimmy Saville liked his trains young. Fresh out of the depot.
The one's that had a fresh lick of paint and well oiled.
Well... he is the Top of the Pops... so make it understandable, "popping" in Germany is another word for having intercourse ;)
I always wondered who drove the hogwarts express...
Did he ever enter a Virgin train?
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That awkward moment when Jimmy Savile talks about how he can't tell us what he did on the train :|
Very much enjoyed this - long live the 125. Also great to see the Beeb is still capable of making a good old style documentary that isn't cut like a music video and smothered with audiovisual gimmickry.
The upgraded, modified version of it with extra balls (the NSW XPT) is still the only real passenger train for the east coast of Australia and still going strong as well. They've just started talking about replacement due to age but it will be bloody hard to replace such a good train on non electrified lines.
Fantastic - as usual, a well balanced BBC documentary on the railways. As an engineer, I am reminded of the wealth of talent the UK has to make a train like the Inter-City 125, and it will really take something special to pass it for suitability and comfort on the network. I don't think anything else running in the UK today comes close.
I regularly used the train from Chesterfield to St. Pancreas on business. First class was very expensive but we developed a "ruse" buy a second class ticket, go to the restaurant car for breakfast , and tip the waiter a fiver to make sure the coffee cup was never empty. That way we traveled first class to London at a fraction of the cost of a first class ticket
A fantastic programme. Thanks for uploading it.
25:17 "experiences I cannot talk about but very proud of" the dirty bastard
I missed this one yesterday, though I have found it on BBC website. I uploaded here, before the video will cleared from their website. Enjoy it!
watched this then drove intercity 125 from peterborough to london in train simulator 2015
36:21 That's what I call an example of pricelessness! Just a wonderful well description of that thing.
Peter Parker's the best. He let my Mother travel 1st class, Leeds to Edinburgh return, for free, when she ended up on the train after helping my Brother with his baby and buggy etc. The doors shut and off it went - next stop Edinburgh. The Pakistani Guard was arguing with her because she didn't have a ticket (my Bro had a first class 'Brit-Rail' pass). Sir Peter was in the same compartment and interjected telling the guard to pipe down and allow her to travel free of charge! Brilliant!
Peter Parker had his hands full, chairman of BR, Buisness man and Spiderman on the quiet. What a boss.
Great upload. Thanks for posting !!
Interesting documentary, but come on, what made the HST 125 so extraordinary were the Paxman Valenta powerplants with their unmistakable soundtrack - pretty poor that the powertrain/powerplant wasn't mentioned even in the smallest detail
There were many things that made it what it is not just the powerplant but yes it would have been good to see a mention.
The LNER A4 was wind tunnel tested 40 years before the HS125.
Tangerine Dream's 'Love On a Real Train' playing at the end
The apt didn't make people feel sick it was just very unreliable still a majestic loco
I have learned a great deal from this video. Thank you!
Was there a shot of Saville getting into the cab alone with a kid?
No, it doesn't. Any tilting you might see a 125 doing will actually be track cant, which might be as much as 6 degrees - some of the shots in this video show the APT adding it's own 9 degrees to that.
A couple of the newer Japanese Shinkansen models are capable of tilting by 1-2 degrees, and this is simply used to improve passenger comfort sufficiently to allow even higher speed on existing Shinkansen track. That might be what you have heard of.
and the thing is still running in a modified form in Australia as well needed to be made more suited to our hotter climate. here it has always been called the XPT (eXpress Passenger Train) We also tried a version of a tilt train on the narrower gauge rails in Queensland which worked well but had some problems but i am not sure where it hailed from.
Queensland has both diesel and electric tilt trains, which work very well to this day
NSW trialed a Swedish x2000, which was too big for the loading gauge and was incompatible with NSW's infrastructure
It's so sad, British rail had so many great ideas and the apt was an amazing train being able to go 155mph? People were so optimistic about the railway back then, 20 years later and we have these great trains such as the class 390 etc but most countries trains get faster with time ours seem to get slower or stay the same doesn't make sense I love the apt
+Josh Rowlands I think part of the slower/same problem is the fact we are an island and have had a large population growth. Also, the privatisation lead to many separate companies who never really competed with each other but rode on the coat-tails of the BR heyday. Only now are we seeing the start of serious rail investment, but even then progress is slow...
Glad I can watch this again, a program which was never to be repeated again after its first showings.Thanks for posting, but how did you manage to save a BBC i player clip?
The disgraced late Mr Jimmy Savile is no longer to be regarded as "Sir".
Technically you are no longer a "sir" upon the moment you die.
Nice to see Sir Jimmy again
Peter Marsh sure goes out of his way to explain that he didn't personally like Jimmy Saville. Wonder how much he knew.
did peter parker pick a peck of pickled peppers?
dilwich123 one mystery solved indeed, but whats a peck?😁😁
Isnt peter parker spiderman???
An amazing bit of the history of the time
I would rather have British Rail back than this crappy franchise system we have now. If only politicians weren't so obsessed with the private sector and actually invested good money into the railways!
HST was a great design. Excellent documentary. Not sure it was entirely accurate referring to the APT as a rival, as the APT was originally intended for the West Coast mainline. A route the HST never ran on. Pretty much all the faults on the APT were sorted by the time it was withdrawn and the 3 which were in service were actually only prototypes, but the PR damage was done. BR should never have launched it in the winter and not before it was fully tested. Imagine both in service together.
Watched this last night on the telly.
Two things Margaret Thatcher agreed with the French President before the Channel Tunnel was the Falklands through the fact he put their differences aside to give her and Britain support during the Falklands emergency and also the need for Britain and France to maintain their independent nuclear deterrents, something the Reagan Whitehouse did not consider essential, thus the door was open for the "Chunnel".
Thank you dotvenue, added to a playlist...
I think what the Inter-City 125 really did was turn a lot of smaller towns in England into "bedroom communities" for larger cities.
It's most beautiful
55 -56 minutes - brilliant - undeniable.
If Elvis had a British accent he would have sounded like the ASLEF guy
What a champ, even after boinking his 100,000 child at 23:53 he still had time to share the celebration with the people.
Power car 43002 has been preserved at the National Railway Museum and restored to its original livery. They have named it "Sir Kenneth Grange".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:St_Philip%27s_Marsh_-_GWR_43002_Sir_Kenneth_Grange.JPG
Nice shout-out to Canada at the ten-minute mark.
SIR Peter Parker.
A gentleman and truly nice guy.
I'm surprised there was no mention of the class 390 Pendolino, the train that turned the concept of the APT into a success and is a revolutionary train of its own right...
If anyone looks at 9:56, they'll see America's only true high-speed train in it's preferred habitat - Canada.
These trains have been retired, but in the US Brightline is about to see if it can have the same success with a similar product..... Diesel powered High Speed trains that will race from Orlando to Miami at 125 mph and in a few more years to Tampa. Who knows? This may very well bring about the age of the train in America.
in USA, the most attention is given to train service on the east coast and the west coast...the interior of the country is rather lacking in proper trains.
and here under privatisation people are still standing on full trains...where is the progress ?
Peter Parker, fast trains? Makes sense, go Spiderman.
The trouble with this documentary was that it made no mention of the positive aspects of the Beeching years and how he envisioned fast, large capacity passenger, modern diesel and electric trains. Of course the predecessor to the 125 was the Blue Pullman and yet nothing was said here about that. Beeching had obviously massively changed entire operations in BR and Intercity was one thing that came from him along with Freightliner trains. However the problem was perhaps that what Beeching was truly trying to achieve was HST's on a par to what France were developing at the time which later became the TGV and runs on its own dedicated track transport hub to transport hub. Yes the 125 was good then and still is but times move on and France saw where the future lay and thus they have a very efficient and highly developed High Speed network, we don't. The 125 is just one success in a very much larger picture of shortsightedness and unsympathetic administration.
Brilliant
HST is a LEGEND
49:08 Alan Partridge spotted boarding the train
Mark Bentley good spot
We clearly see Jimmy, at his favorite buffet restaurant. At 23:22.
Nice one
Sad that these have now been retired from mainline service on the East and west coast main line
God bless Ronnie Barker. He could scratch the edges and make them bleed.
Thank you, BBC have taken it off the iPlayer SIGH.
I missed it too.
if you pause at 15:42. pause it just as the windscreen gooes out of shot, then look at the light and te underneath part of the train. It looks IDENTICAL to a1990's BMW 3 series ffs!!!
at 18.16 who is the interviewer talking and singing with peter march?
1:17 spider man time warp
knowledge of future gave him quite the edge and he decided to get a real job
Sorry, that should have also included the fact that it was a gas turbine Turbo set.
It was far better then than now and more affordable also.
Always thought Saville a creep, back when he was "popular" but
Ken Grange, on the other hand was a total genius!
"British Rail intend to maintain their standards..... but now for the GOOD NEWS!!"
GT Stang Well, better than any private company has done. :P Except South West Trains of course, they do an amazing job, comfy, modern, warm trains and almost never late!
GT Stang LOL
Yes you just want one man driving looking through a letterbox at the front. Ideal.
Jimmy!!!! Now then now then now then...ows about that then!
They do.... Cross Country use a handful of sets on the NorthEast/SoutchWest route.
that's is at British Midlands UK TO Passenger Trains on pass 1947 new INTERCITY color black Trains
13:08 ...Well the same to you, sir!
An interesting (or not) piece of trivia. Peter Parker is the father of Nathaniel Parker (of Inspector Lynley fame)
You forgot to say that Peter Parker is Spiderman
The class 50's made the Deltics obsolete really (100mph on a single, more efficient engine).
HST's just replaced the Deltics.
4:10 - ...... the peaks. Reference to Class 45 seen a few seconds earlier???
Thatcher cosying up with Savile. About as sickening a sight I've seen in a long time.
They are a generation apart so it should be better. But at least in the HST you get shoulder room.
Pip and Emma’s origin
APT Does exist now. Its called the Pendolino.
Does British rail style run?
Britain's most popular butter, Anchor butter - Not even British lol
Best train I have the hornby virgin trains one the high detail model
So the Acela is America's HST.
well it's been said before that the 'sickness' on the apt was due to members of the railway press overdoing it at the complimentary onboard bar! lol. would be amazing to tweak the old girl, get her mainline certified to go on railtours chasing pendolinos lol. she'd still outrun everything in this country except the eurostar!
Looked like a Canadian VIA Rail set.
Spiderman saved British rail; wow
Is the Class 91 Intercity 225 evolved from the Class 370 APT-P
***** Incorrect. The class 91 Has never had a Tilting system, Nor was it ever designed to have one. It takes other features from the APT such as bogie-mounted traction motors however not the tilting system. The Mk4 coached that come with the Class 91 can be retrofitted to tilt however this has not been installed. In Short, The Class 91/Intercity 225 Cannot in any way tilt except when the Rails themselves do.
nightwraith1986 the mk4 coaches were designed with tilt in mind thats why the coaches are narrower on top than the MK3s
shane2k9 Is that not exactly what I wrote in my comment?
The Intercity 125 HST is a legacy train and is my all time favourite as I remember these in the blue and grey scheme when I was just a lad. Shame about the depraved monster that hosted this programme though as that was the only thing negative here. At least the depraved sicko cannot harm anymore children now as he is no longer alive thank god. I have no sympathy for monsters.
Can anyone who has travelled on both tell us that the ICE is any better, or basically any different, to the HST.
but i thought the 125 could tilt too but very slightly?
we have some or fell pacers pleas replace them
an hour long video about peter parker, I watched a video about the US railroad which gave two minutes to mention both the union and central pacific bosses.
SO TRUE! :D_ _ _ _ _
What is the train at 9:55?
UAC TurboTrain
49:54 - 49:56 those eggs … look rather watery? 0_o
4.54 Mr Angry!
Makes me giggle - as if it really matters! He's probably dead now with a hot head like that!
Such a shame about the 'APT'.
Great video apart from the Jimmy Savile bit!
now then now then now then
and its British and British built
This documentary has not aged well..
India is no 1
Dear Jim. Please would you fix it for me to meet Peter Parker. No, not that one.