Classic move: cut the budget until the service degrades enough, fares rise and the public asks for privatisation. Then you have the perfect excuse for that.
OR public sector spunk so much money, give so little value for money that, unless theres huge rax hikes, massive shake up in the remuneration/pensions or massive changes in other publuc owned utilities. I'd argue that NHS, Energy (nuclear/gas) and water had to priorities and I'm sorrier that water was privatised and made so many ex managers into millionaires...
Thats not even true.. the real reason was following successful privatisation of Swedish railway the EU issued a directive essentially forcing countries to either allow full privatisation and or allow more private companies to operate.
One of the biggest travesties of privatisation was the loss of Red Star parcels. During the time we had a family business we used Red Star alot, customers were amazed that they could call in a panic order at the last minute of the day and we could get it to them either that evening, or at worst, early the next day, and at a reasonable price. Many of them didn't even know that Red Star existed! It meant we had to take it to a mainline station, but we weren't to far from Birmingham, so that wasn't a problem, and we never had one single item lost, damaged or late in the time we used them. From what I know, it was bought out by a road haulage company and closed down in favour of HGV transport, how bloody stupid was that?! Thousands of tons of freight crowding the roads even more, absolutely insane. I never use rail travel because as I live on the west side of the country, travel by rail to the east is a joke in every way, cost, time and convenience. As most of any distance travel I do is from west to east the negative factors make it unviable. Any trip I want to take would need at least one change, often more, and from experience I know the likelyhood of missing a connection is high which means I end up on a bus or in a taxi which has to be provided by the rail company in such circumstances. Basically, using my car is cheaper, more comfortable, reliable, convenient and faster than a train.
Well it would use either use empty luggage vans of other timetabled services or the 325 express parcels units , wich were reasonably quick and spaceous
Privatisation was never about fixing the problem. It was about making it less of a government problem by putting it in the too hard basket where no government in their right mind would dream to re-nationalise it. Having said that the cost the railways are underwritten by the UK tax payer even though if you ask the minister he will he evade the question.
BR was essentially the countries biggest tool for driving the economy. The development of the APT should have lead to a dedicated passenger only high-speed line connecting several main transport hubs in England and Scotland, like what is now common in Europe. But BR was held back, the project was abandoned and we are suffering greatly for sheer shortsighted administration meaning we now have one of the least efficient rail networks in Europe. Successive Governments were to blame not BR.
Is this the least efficient network that is running more trains and carrying more passengers than ever?,if you look at Europe and see the poor service off the high speed lines you will see our network is pretty good,here in South West England our services in sparsely populated areas are hourly or half hourly,the equivalent services in Europe would be a few trains a day at best
@@maddogtannenx8853 oh right, yeh it was underfunded to influence public opinion to privatise it. I agree that BR wasnt the best but it was a hell of a lot better then privatisation of Rail which gets more subsidy than BR ever got. Also privatisation of Rail has done no significant benefit to the railway. If you want to argue the whole "more people using the railway" then that's becuase of the high housing prices that are forcing people to look elsewhere to find home which means more have to use public transport e.g the trains to get to there place of work.
@@maddogtannenx8853 Well, that's a matter of opinion isn't it? I remember British Rail very well, and they were damn good in my area. More services, more punctual and the station and train staff actually cared about their jobs. Maybe your area wasn't so good....Network South East maybe? If British Rail had been given more funding by the Tory government instead of being bled dry to make privatisation more juicy to the public then BR would still be around today. No doubt.
this is the story of the slowgoing planned destruction of the once in a time fantastic british rail system. incredible tragic to see how all the predictions was right.
hilarious they talk about upgrading the Borough Market junction and Crossrail - schemes which are now, 26 years later, only 2-3 years away from completion! 20 years of public inquiries and talking!
That's all well and good but to make a good railway, you need money. And the British government have never been fans of heaping money into rail. That's why they wanted it privatized.
This doesn't seem all that long ago, and every train shown in this programme was entirely designed and built in Britain. Fast forward to today, and almost nothing on our railways is British made. 🤔
@@djtrainspotter What does the gender of the driver have to do with anything? As to you have a gf - your sock puppet doesn't count as having a relationship.
TheWesternAS "23 years after this program and we have one of the most expensive and complicated rail networks in Europe." Expensive - yes, complicated - yes, efficient - fuck no. 24 years after this aired we're still working on tweaks mentioned in this programme - like Thameslink 2000 became TL 202X, Crossrail similar, Borough Market is only now being worked on. AWS is still the main system protecting our network. etc etc etc
If anyone asks why i'm so opposed to privatised railways, i point them to these documentaries made in the late 1980's. Sure BR would have dragged their heels a bit on sorting their proposals out, but it wouldn't have taken over 30 years.
They could move half a million tons of coal a week. Now we have no mines and no coal fired power stations. Even though we have enough coal for 300 years.
Sectorisation was the prelude to privatization only unlike John Major Mrs Thatcher didn't admit to although she believed in state aid for motorists and her followers still do now.
And now in 2020 we still pay rip off fares to travel on old dirty knackered trains, infact some of those old dirty knackered trains that featured in this 30 year old video are still amazingly banging and clattering their way around the country, it's just now it's all done under private and foreign ownership! Haven't we come a long way eh!!!
The slam door stock was withdrawn in 2005. The units that are approaching 30 now were new in this video. But those units are a lot more reliable than modern units because back then we built our rolling stock in UK. We didn't reply on foreign imports.
Aswell as most of the trains being owned by banks via leasing companies draining the TOCs even further leaving even them in a constantly fucked state of not being able to pay full ownership due to the high cost of just being able to have the stock , unless one is a directly govermental operator (LNER/TPE/SCR)
@@owenevans83 all 3 National Rail Pacer operators (Northern, Transport for Wales and Great Western Railway) have applied to run them into 2020 due to Class 769 delivery delays
@@MechanicalrobPacers are now allowed to run until mid-2020 under dispensation from law that exempts them from the 1/1/2020 accessibility regulations deadline for 6 months
Wondering how the people in this programme would view the franchising system introduced in the 1990s given its effects on punctuality, integration and value for money.
Introduced to the British public simply as chairman of Imperial Chemical Industries (ICI) Beeching's link to explosives and nuclear weapons was never mentioned. After a stint at the Woolwich Arsenal designing anti-tank weapons in World War II, Beeching had been moved on to the top secret ‘Tube Alloys’ project which was a cover for the development of the first British atomic weapons. At Royal Ordnance’s secret Fort Halstead base under the North Downs near Sevenoaks in Kent, Cottrell reveals, Beeching’s expertise in metallurgy made a key contribution to Britain’s rudimentary nuclear arsenal. The success of Britain’s 1950s atomic testing program brought Beeching the top job at ICI. Qualifications in metallurgy and state-of-the-art explosives were not, you might think, the ideal qualification for a man whose job was to go through the accounts of British Railways with a fine toothed comb. No, the reason Beeching was hired was because the Conservative government had already decided his job was chop up the railways to make way for the motor car and they needed a figurehead that could keep his mouth shut. www.rt.com/op-edge/205547-beeching-railway-network-britain/
Not too surprising when you consider that the Minister for Transport, Ernest Marples, held shares in a road construction company - his family's company! He sold them due to conflict of interest - to his wife! Then he bought them back once the scandal died down. The railways never had a chance.
The sad truth is is that if tomorrow we suddenly had a fantastic new efficient and clean network like that of France we would still be holding our breaths expecting it to all come undone very quickly rather than having pride and faith.
23 years after this program and we have one of the most expensive and complicated rail networks in Europe. Some may say what we have is adequate for the countries needs but a national network can not be run in the short term, it needs very long term planning and that planning should involve social changes that, unfortunately, are extremely hard to predict. What works well now may not work in twenty years etc. So throw into that tax payers money and you have a big political mess.
These days job stopped, back then ,stop the train, tell the driver to go at caution, and report his findings at the next box,.and common sense prevailed. not some rule thought up by someone with little knowledge on how to keep a railway running..and as an ex-signalman that`s how we dealt with it, and with track/signal failures, let the train go up to the last controlling signal,and instruct the driver accordingly, the job kept moving, it worked well, but these days, they just cancel trains, and maybe drivers don`t have the experience like BR drivers had..I get so annoyed when there is an "incident", and its all OTT the way they deal with it, causing nothing but unnecessary delays..all covering their own backsides, rather than keeping the job moving..
You are right Governments do not want to look beyond the next election let alone 40 years in the future which is when we will end up getting HS2. The current system is awful the Government could in the long run save a lot of money for itself if it was to rethink the system so ether private companies can have a long term franchise to take a long term view or we have a renationalised network which is unified and can also run itself with the dft or the Germans can run it!
Hello,good morning good topics,can someone tell me who the narrator of these documentaries is please,He speaks proper English Excellent many thanks IAN RANKIN 👍.
Olan Kenny the intercity 125s sometimes stopped at a red light on the way into Birmingham where some carriages were level with a station and people would get off to save commuting back out. The guard was not happy when that happened.
Its still intresting that the networker sceme, inspite of NSE, and for that the whole of BR being brutaly starved of money, still developing into several batches of MUs across few mainlines, wich wearen't fringe off classes but main power on these routes of wich they were assigned
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock and that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 37 Octagon and Every 17 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 142MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 142MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 17 Tonnes for all of those 142MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!! And please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
25 years ago SuperSprinters and Express Sprinters were top of the range, nowadays they seem to be just as hated as the old fist generation dmus they replaced. Too small, too slow, uncomfortable ride, dirty and unclean outside and in, faulty and breaking down, smelling of piss or just aesthetically unattractive now.
FinlayLavery303 Actually the Super and Express Sprinters are ok, they have a good ride and the seats are often good. They are likely to remain in service for many years and as long as the train operators keep up the maintenance and cleaning, they'll be fine. The pacers on the other hand aren't very good nor are 150's.
***** the class 166's have a 90 mph operating speed the 377's 100 mph. The 377's are also electric, electric trains are often faster to acculturate than diesels like the 166's. So yes the 377's are faster.
Mago .Merlino Well erm yes they are, although there future is limited as lines are electrified and the HSTs are mostly retired from service. Work afterwards will make less use of their speed and more of their power when they go into service with Scotrail. The HSTs aren't very suited to work the work of Sprinters and Networkers which have to stop and start often and work on lines the HSTs trains can't because of weight restrictions etc. The same is true of their replacements the 800s they can't do the work of stopping services that are carried out by units like the Electrostars.
Can anyone identify the music at the beginning, and again at 47:18 ? Shazam doesn't do it. I know it's probably stock music but you can still sometimes find it.
Interesting reminder of the moans and groans about British Rail in 1990...then to remember what the government's answer was in 1994: split it up into a hundred pieces!! Read and weep. Just to correct what was said about ATP: it cannot guarantee to prevent passing red signals, but it does pretty well guarantee that trains don't reach conflict points ahead of red signals.
The rail system don't work like your train set tho does it. It's a small version of the mechanics of rail. Does your train set region have an HR department, are you liable for deaths due to collisions? I don't think you'll find running a mass rail network quite as easy as a train set.
@@stuartelleray Thank you, but I was referring to the next melody you mention (the synthesizer song at the Leyland Daf factory and which also appears at minute 20:58 )
hahahaha did we watch the same programme? Based on it mainland Europe was light years ahead of BR, and this was a problem with mainland Europe not GB/BR?
I’m sorry so many of you guys are salty British rail didn’t work but realistically it doesn’t work. It can’t compete on a modern market and make profit
Well, it could have been worse. BR could have been bought by Amtrak, and then you would have had high-speed trains designed (or rather, dictated) by the US FRA. You would have had a mini-Acela. And don't forget the almost daily crashes.
Unfortunately we still have these trams as our daily commute to Leeds and they are awful..It’s funny though when you head towards likely they have an electrified line with all the latest trains..? It’s so unfair the system in England tha nos..Please could you give us some new locos please before I go loco homeee
If they had of installed atp when this is being filmed the Paddington rail crash and the 1997 freight train and passenger train crash that was caught on camera would not of happened
"We're running this railway, not the Europeans".... Here we are today with huge investments from other countries companies and governments in our railways and taking the profits from them....
This is True, I suppose I should be glad my trainset does not have an HR Deptment and I would not like to be liable for deaths I also think that running my trainset is just for fun I however still think that BR Should of at least retained at least some of the brilliant Deltics for specail charter trains.
Privitisation was the only option. BR was the working life bible for bad practice and bad management. The only organisation i`ve ever heard of that killed off it`s own World leading project (APT), through sheer management incompitance and indecision. Too much criticism of Government here. It must be remembered that the near vertical cost increases for APT year on year throughout the 70`s, including huge slips in completion time and finally resulted in absolutely nothing. meaning successive Governments were always going to come down hard on them. Upto the mid 1980`s there was no fiscal responsibility, just a nationalised begging bowl. Someone has to defend the tax payer sometimes surely? And the supposed ray of light being HST 125. Trouble is that locomotive became the answer to a question that was never asked.
Obviously your words were written in jest ? For I cannot believe someone would be so ignorant and misinformed. You clearly never watched this video, or maybe your brain was too small to comprehend. Privatisation did not reduce government interference, it increased it by a hundredfold. Under BR, Intercity ran at a profit and received no taxpayer money. Network South East broke even, and had it lasted another year would also be in profit without subsidy. Only Regional Railways, Freight and Parcels made a loss. But these form a social need especially in rural communities. Not to mention less lorries on our roads. Even taking into account inflation, the subsidy from the taxpayer has gone up by a factor of 8,000 times. So a rotten deal for the taxpayer, an awful deal for the passenger, and a nightmare for the staff. I cannot think of a single benefit. Privatisation was done not for benefit, but because government wanted to smash BR into as many bits as possible. This was the Tories goal under Marples and Beeching, and it remained under Thatcher and Serpell, and continued under Major. No other European country adopted our approach.
Ignorant? Absolutely not. I speak from experience. I get young, sorry leftists saying to me that we need to nationalise the railways on a regular basis. Yet they never traveled on it. I did as soon as I left school in 1986. And what an absolute disgrace it was. Shiny HST in the morning from the dilapidated Wolverhampton platform. Get off at the absolutely filthy Stafford Station. Leave college. Back to a platform of detritus at Stafford. Possibly covered in Coal dust and diesel fumes from a passing pair of Class 20’s. Only to behold the 16.40 service from Glasgow. A dirty stinking train consisting of a faulty Class 47. Dragging Mk3 carriages so dirty you could barely see out of them. Walking over sandwich rappers and polystyrene cups. To sit on a seat whose antimacassar hadn’t been changed since 1979, probably. I say to them as I say to you. Please stop with the rose tinted, ill-informed crap. The Railways under BR were underfunded. Unreliable. Dangerous and always filthy. All because the Unions, backed by the TUC wanted to battle it out with the Tories. Just like the other monumental failure called British Leyland. I don’t blame the workforce. I blame the Unions and the management. The rail network today is not fully private. Government controlled franchises is not what I wanted. I want private companies to be fully autonomous and in control. I support workers rights, but I realise the Train Driving Unions are the same political breed of extremists that killed the car industry. And we shouldn’t allow that. Nobody has a right to work. Or a right to wages. I have no doubt that train drivers are over paid because they are protected from free market forces by the unions. While that exists the railway in Britain will remain an international embarrassment. The Government shouldn’t be running anything. Leave it to the professionals.
… by the way. Freightliner and PD Ports offer state of the art container logistics today. Would this be the case pre privatisation? Absolutely NOT. I rest my case.
in way the railway publick dont use a railway it become like a publick foot bath over grown and a venturely back to field its the same with a railway if it ant well used there no point in running it even thoe there are meany railways that are closed should't off been and should be reopened as the would be well used or used modiistly but closing most lines was under beachem and that was mainly a cost cuting excersize that was done bay someone who had a negtive and hatred for railways no mater which party how did it. The bechem scame was poorly doone and was cost cuting no fort for people getting about was really put in to it just cost cutting wich sadly is still happening now but more so with reagly used bus routs even cut know something like trams would help a lot of rurel briten but at the moment the govermeant dont think like that
At 19:02 those two railway robots need to speak English. I couldn't make heard nor tail what they were talking about... like politicians. Just tell them that.... Good bul shitters 🤯
And lable me a doomer thatll be true to some , but to do the ballsiest move wouldve been to ripp it up , close all to show how truely important and efficient rails are , allas who could put the fork into the metaphorical outlet......
The Goverment does not care about railways If I was the Goverment I would invest heavly in them like my trainset I have spent £600 on it buying new locomotives and tracks and rolling stock I would spend 80 Million on BR and retain the Deltics for specail trains and the 47`s.
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Classic move: cut the budget until the service degrades enough, fares rise and the public asks for privatisation. Then you have the perfect excuse for that.
Like the nhs
Ann Other NO THAT IS NOT HAPPENING MATE
This the American political strategy as well. Also add media propaganda.
OR public sector spunk so much money, give so little value for money that, unless theres huge rax hikes, massive shake up in the remuneration/pensions or massive changes in other publuc owned utilities.
I'd argue that NHS, Energy (nuclear/gas) and water had to priorities and I'm sorrier that water was privatised and made so many ex managers into millionaires...
Thats not even true.. the real reason was following successful privatisation of Swedish railway the EU issued a directive essentially forcing countries to either allow full privatisation and or allow more private companies to operate.
Absolutely fabulous. Adverts from 1990 and only appear occasionally.
2021 thay seem to be every 15 seconds.
Partly why I don't watch TV anymore.
One of the biggest travesties of privatisation was the loss of Red Star parcels. During the time we had a family business we used Red Star alot, customers were amazed that they could call in a panic order at the last minute of the day and we could get it to them either that evening, or at worst, early the next day, and at a reasonable price. Many of them didn't even know that Red Star existed! It meant we had to take it to a mainline station, but we weren't to far from Birmingham, so that wasn't a problem, and we never had one single item lost, damaged or late in the time we used them. From what I know, it was bought out by a road haulage company and closed down in favour of HGV transport, how bloody stupid was that?! Thousands of tons of freight crowding the roads even more, absolutely insane. I never use rail travel because as I live on the west side of the country, travel by rail to the east is a joke in every way, cost, time and convenience. As most of any distance travel I do is from west to east the negative factors make it unviable. Any trip I want to take would need at least one change, often more, and from experience I know the likelyhood of missing a connection is high which means I end up on a bus or in a taxi which has to be provided by the rail company in such circumstances. Basically, using my car is cheaper, more comfortable, reliable, convenient and faster than a train.
Well it would use either use empty luggage vans of other timetabled services or the 325 express parcels units , wich were reasonably quick and spaceous
Privatisation was never about fixing the problem. It was about making it less of a government problem by putting it in the too hard basket where no government in their right mind would dream to re-nationalise it. Having said that the cost the railways are underwritten by the UK tax payer even though if you ask the minister he will he evade the question.
Complete with adverts, hahah, I remember those.
And its funny to hear them talking about the channel tunnel and Crossrail before the fact.
Let's not forget Thameslink "2000"!
Those thameslink trains are now in use in Liverpool after refurbishment a few years ago.
Thanks for uploading this. It was fascinating to watch! Amazing to look back, it is a shame most of it was accurate in its predictions :(
BR was essentially the countries biggest tool for driving the economy. The development of the APT should have lead to a dedicated passenger only high-speed line connecting several main transport hubs in England and Scotland, like what is now common in Europe. But BR was held back, the project was abandoned and we are suffering greatly for sheer shortsighted administration meaning we now have one of the least efficient rail networks in Europe. Successive Governments were to blame not BR.
TheWesternAS we could have called it "high speed" and then added numbers as to its construction order or hs1, hs2 etc..... oh wait.
Is this the least efficient network that is running more trains and carrying more passengers than ever?,if you look at Europe and see the poor service off the high speed lines you will see our network is pretty good,here in South West England our services in sparsely populated areas are hourly or half hourly,the equivalent services in Europe would be a few trains a day at best
@@84Knuckles hs2, I hardly know her. The conservative’s canceled it :,)
APT was crap in BR's hands. Driving car in the middle?
Selling it to Fiat was the best decision. At least now it's on the rails.
I see that 'privatization' worked out real well there didn't it.
77MrAH except for virgin and the other companies, northern and southern are just bad,
@Michael John Dennis Network rail is owned by the government
People who say these things clearly don’t know how bad the system was before privatization.
@@maddogtannenx8853 oh right, yeh it was underfunded to influence public opinion to privatise it. I agree that BR wasnt the best but it was a hell of a lot better then privatisation of Rail which gets more subsidy than BR ever got. Also privatisation of Rail has done no significant benefit to the railway. If you want to argue the whole "more people using the railway" then that's becuase of the high housing prices that are forcing people to look elsewhere to find home which means more have to use public transport e.g the trains to get to there place of work.
@@maddogtannenx8853 Well, that's a matter of opinion isn't it? I remember British Rail very well, and they were damn good in my area. More services, more punctual and the station and train staff actually cared about their jobs. Maybe your area wasn't so good....Network South East maybe? If British Rail had been given more funding by the Tory government instead of being bled dry to make privatisation more juicy to the public then BR would still be around today. No doubt.
"We're running this rail network, not the Europeans".
Oh dear, if only he knew what would happen.
@Owen Evans Wasn't he a european? His pasport did say so I think ;-)
JJ Vernig Are people in Britain still Europeans? They are so xenophobic they don’t want to be.
No we aren't Europeans, because we live on an island, not the continent of Europe
@@Razmatazuk maybe not, but that was my view.
@@Razmatazuk By your way of thinking the Isle of Wight isn't part of England, yet it has been since as long as England has existed as an entity.
this is the story of the slowgoing planned destruction of the once in a time fantastic british rail system. incredible tragic to see how all the predictions was right.
hilarious they talk about upgrading the Borough Market junction and Crossrail - schemes which are now, 26 years later, only 2-3 years away from completion! 20 years of public inquiries and talking!
Richard Clarke I'm sure the borough market has been done
We need to stop trying to make money out of railways and run them for the benefit of the users! I.e. The public!
That's all well and good but to make a good railway, you need money. And the British government have never been fans of heaping money into rail. That's why they wanted it privatized.
This doesn't seem all that long ago, and every train shown in this programme was entirely designed and built in Britain.
Fast forward to today, and almost nothing on our railways is British made. 🤔
The Foster Yeoman class 59's were built across the pond. Possibly the most driven loco class in the world by female drivers. My ex was one!!!!
@@djtrainspotter What does the gender of the driver have to do with anything?
As to you have a gf - your sock puppet doesn't count as having a relationship.
TheWesternAS "23 years after this program and we have one of the most expensive and complicated rail networks in Europe."
Expensive - yes, complicated - yes, efficient - fuck no. 24 years after this aired we're still working on tweaks mentioned in this programme - like Thameslink 2000 became TL 202X, Crossrail similar, Borough Market is only now being worked on. AWS is still the main system protecting our network. etc etc etc
If anyone asks why i'm so opposed to privatised railways, i point them to these documentaries made in the late 1980's. Sure BR would have dragged their heels a bit on sorting their proposals out, but it wouldn't have taken over 30 years.
33:00 "We want to expand Thameslink and build Crossrail"... well we got there in the end. Only took 30 years!
Watching this in 2019 and all I see is the current battle over the NHS.
4:09 That’s the bridge over the M25 that said “Give Peas A Chance” on it up until recently, I’m sure of it.
They could move half a million tons of coal a week. Now we have no mines and no coal fired power stations. Even though we have enough coal for 300 years.
Sectorisation was the prelude to privatization only unlike John Major Mrs Thatcher didn't admit to although she believed in state aid for motorists and her followers still do now.
Genuinely interesting!
The train passing with the camera on the railtrack was also featured on the episode running to time
Quite a few images from that documentary were reused here as it happens...
And now in 2020 we still pay rip off fares to travel on old dirty knackered trains, infact some of those old dirty knackered trains that featured in this 30 year old video are still amazingly banging and clattering their way around the country, it's just now it's all done under private and foreign ownership! Haven't we come a long way eh!!!
The slam door stock was withdrawn in 2005. The units that are approaching 30 now were new in this video. But those units are a lot more reliable than modern units because back then we built our rolling stock in UK. We didn't reply on foreign imports.
We've come a long way yes. Its been a long process of sabotage and handing over ALL UK assets to Europe.
Aswell as most of the trains being owned by banks via leasing companies draining the TOCs even further leaving even them in a constantly fucked state of not being able to pay full ownership due to the high cost of just being able to have the stock , unless one is a directly govermental operator (LNER/TPE/SCR)
44:41 28 years later in 2018, those "quick fix Skippers and Pacers" are still going...
Not for too much longer
@@owenevans83 all 3 National Rail Pacer operators (Northern, Transport for Wales and Great Western Railway) have applied to run them into 2020 due to Class 769 delivery delays
RWL2012 True, but progress is being made and several Northern 142s have been withdrawn
This is true. The branch line from Barton upon Humber to Cleethorpes still uses them!
@@MechanicalrobPacers are now allowed to run until mid-2020 under dispensation from law that exempts them from the 1/1/2020 accessibility regulations deadline for 6 months
borough market Junction note that's where, Lock Stock was filmed and was in the second 'The Gateaway' PS2 game.... enjoy! :)
Cannon Street station at 33.12 above the river Thames not far from the junction mentioned near London Bridge.
Wondering how the people in this programme would view the franchising system introduced in the 1990s given its effects on punctuality, integration and value for money.
Introduced to the British public simply as chairman of Imperial Chemical Industries (ICI) Beeching's link to explosives and nuclear weapons was never mentioned.
After a stint at the Woolwich Arsenal designing anti-tank weapons in World War II, Beeching had been moved on to the top secret ‘Tube Alloys’ project which was a cover for the development of the first British atomic weapons. At Royal Ordnance’s secret Fort Halstead base under the North Downs near Sevenoaks in Kent, Cottrell reveals, Beeching’s expertise in metallurgy made a key contribution to Britain’s rudimentary nuclear arsenal. The success of Britain’s 1950s atomic testing program brought Beeching the top job at ICI.
Qualifications in metallurgy and state-of-the-art explosives were not, you might think, the ideal qualification for a man whose job was to go through the accounts of British Railways with a fine toothed comb. No, the reason Beeching was hired was because the Conservative government had already decided his job was chop up the railways to make way for the motor car and they needed a figurehead that could keep his mouth shut.
www.rt.com/op-edge/205547-beeching-railway-network-britain/
Not too surprising when you consider that the Minister for Transport, Ernest Marples, held shares in a road construction company - his family's company! He sold them due to conflict of interest - to his wife! Then he bought them back once the scandal died down. The railways never had a chance.
Nice upload thanks for sharing
The politictians who privatised our rail networks, never gave BR a chance.
The sad truth is is that if tomorrow we suddenly had a fantastic new efficient and clean network like that of France we would still be holding our breaths expecting it to all come undone very quickly rather than having pride and faith.
Chinese steel and Spanish trains, such pride
44:57-45:00 "the Pacer was the best vehicle around"
This is why taking your meds is important
Chris Green had the right idea.....all those years ago.......cross rail....Elizabethan maybe......just saying....
Bring back BR!
9:56 ive just seen a clip from LWT news in 1988 where Mike Ambrose was just a common or garden train captain who loved singing over the P.A
As for the narration, is anyone else getting a hint of Alan Partridge?
23 years after this program and we have one of the most expensive and complicated rail networks in Europe. Some may say what we have is adequate for the countries needs but a national network can not be run in the short term, it needs very long term planning and that planning should involve social changes that, unfortunately, are extremely hard to predict. What works well now may not work in twenty years etc. So throw into that tax payers money and you have a big political mess.
As Roger Freeman said --- we're running the railways, NOT the Europeans. He's right, they're running the railways --- into the ground.
This is still true today, even though the railways are private
You would think the country who invented the railway would have their shit together
Yes we invented railways. So why do we have one high speed line, and the French have eight built and twelve more under construction.
14:12 look how everyone came out of the window of the coach near the steam locomotive after the signalman said there’s a cow on a line
The driver should have said "eee, I thought I told me wife to stay at home".
Really mark
These days job stopped, back then ,stop the train, tell the driver to go at caution, and report his findings at the next box,.and common sense prevailed. not some rule thought up by someone with little knowledge on how to keep a railway running..and as an ex-signalman that`s how we dealt with it, and with track/signal failures, let the train go up to the last controlling signal,and instruct the driver accordingly, the job kept moving, it worked well, but these days, they just cancel trains, and maybe drivers don`t have the experience like BR drivers had..I get so annoyed when there is an "incident", and its all OTT the way they deal with it, causing nothing but unnecessary delays..all covering their own backsides, rather than keeping the job moving..
ah yes 90s television
1990 BR problems on the Railway. I believe everything runs perfectly now in 2021 . Am I dreaming 💤
#BringBackBritishRail
Oh wow slam door trains...sandwiches..happy memories.
That director Roger Ford, I think he was on your other equinox episode, running to time
30 years later cross fail hasn't finished yet Thames link does and alot of the this thing said like bermondsey dive under happend about 25 years later
In the beginning about the Red robot things, they just basically showed the premises of the DLR.
"well we're running this railway not the Europeans" say ya think that might be the problem ? :P
Even then the UK didn't acknowledge that they were in Europe.
Guess who run the franchises now. Still, going well?
You are right Governments do not want to look beyond the next election let alone 40 years in the future which is when we will end up getting HS2. The current system is awful the Government could in the long run save a lot of money for itself if it was to rethink the system so ether private companies can have a long term franchise to take a long term view or we have a renationalised network which is unified and can also run itself with the dft or the Germans can run it!
“ privatisation introduced better management” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Could I re-upload the commercials from the middle of this? I'll link back and everything.
yes br cant sue theyre dead xD
well take down the vid
Hello,good morning good topics,can someone tell me who the narrator of these documentaries is please,He speaks proper English Excellent many thanks IAN RANKIN 👍.
Thats only typical of the germans that clandestinely run the UK tbh
I think Those thameslink trains were refurbished and run out of Liverpool lime Street now .
Cor people opening doors and pretty much getting off the train before the train's even fully stopped!
Olan Kenny the intercity 125s sometimes stopped at a red light on the way into Birmingham where some carriages were level with a station and people would get off to save commuting back out. The guard was not happy when that happened.
I remember that with the old slam door trains! There are still a few older trains on the East Midlands railways that still have slam doors.
In the Southeast I'm sure we'd welcome the return of British Rail. 30 years on and the service is worse than ever and more expensive.
Its still intresting that the networker sceme, inspite of NSE, and for that the whole of BR being brutaly starved of money, still developing into several batches of MUs across few mainlines, wich wearen't fringe off classes but main power on these routes of wich they were assigned
Nice commercials
I know right! So retro!
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations.
Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock and that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers.
A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines?
The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden.
oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily.
Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford?
All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains.
Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 37 Octagon and Every 17 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 142MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 142MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 17 Tonnes for all of those 142MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!! And please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
Y not do what budget airlines did and have only 1 train model in all UK. Train length depending on location. Maintenance costs would go down
It could be harder to standardize because it's a bunch of different companies operating different regions around the country
Kinda weird that this is pre-TPWS
TPWS was introduced as part of the Railway Safety Regulation 1999, for completion by 2003 ?
25 years ago SuperSprinters and Express Sprinters were top of the range, nowadays they seem to be just as hated as the old fist generation dmus they replaced. Too small, too slow, uncomfortable ride, dirty and unclean outside and in, faulty and breaking down, smelling of piss or just aesthetically unattractive now.
FinlayLavery303 Actually the Super and Express Sprinters are ok, they have a good ride and the seats are often good. They are likely to remain in service for many years and as long as the train operators keep up the maintenance and cleaning, they'll be fine. The pacers on the other hand aren't very good nor are 150's.
***** the class 166's have a 90 mph operating speed the 377's 100 mph. The 377's are also electric, electric trains are often faster to acculturate than diesels like the 166's. So yes the 377's are faster.
+FinlayLavery303 I like the Class 158's though
+ejcmoorhouse yes but the IC125 is an excellent and very fast diesel 125 mph 200 kmh.
Mago .Merlino Well erm yes they are, although there future is limited as lines are electrified and the HSTs are mostly retired from service. Work afterwards will make less use of their speed and more of their power when they go into service with Scotrail. The HSTs aren't very suited to work the work of Sprinters and Networkers which have to stop and start often and work on lines the HSTs trains can't because of weight restrictions etc. The same is true of their replacements the 800s they can't do the work of stopping services that are carried out by units like the Electrostars.
The rolling stock shown at 34.38, I didn't know those were used in those days
you're referring to the Class 319 electric multiple units. they were pretty much brand new then! by the way 34:38 with a colon
Anyone know anything about the opening music? Composer? Artist? Download link?
It's called Orlando Kimber - Diamond In The Desert :)
There's no e on the end of eqionox
Equinox has no ‘e’ on the end…
Thank you! 👍
If only the Europeans were running our railways
We can hope. With Brexit looming I'm not optimistic.
Impossible. UK is too different.
We are still European lol. You might want to check what companies are behind the franchises.
@@paulanderson79 you can get a train from Germany to non-EU Switzerland so Brexit won’t affect that,our smaller loading gauge will
@@sr7791 I am unsure of your point. I am very disappointed that Britain voted to leave The EU.
Can anyone identify the music at the beginning, and again at 47:18 ? Shazam doesn't do it. I know it's probably stock music but you can still sometimes find it.
It's called Orlando Kimber - Diamond In The Desert :)
@@londonwlogger Many thanks
Does anyone know what the name of music in the intro is.
ua-cam.com/video/fyKn0vwI8Dk/v-deo.html
Track 1 & 2
You are welcome:))))))
I've uploaded here :) Orlando Kimber - Diamond In The Desert ua-cam.com/video/HBv0uBup6A0/v-deo.html
What's that thing at 0:05 - 0:07?
At a guess, a class 319 Thameslink unit.
45:41 nice to see the 158 "Express" in build!
Does anyone have the title score in full? What is the title of the music?
It's called Orlando Kimber - Diamond In The Desert :)
@@londonwlogger: Thanks! Unfortunately I couldn't listen to it anywhere... :(
@@peterkaloczkai9418 I've uploaded here :) Orlando Kimber - Diamond In The Desert ua-cam.com/video/HBv0uBup6A0/v-deo.html
@@stuartelleray You are my true hero, Sir! :) Thanks a million!
@@peterkaloczkai9418 Haha no worries, I would save it as an MP4 in case they take down my video!
"we're running the railways not the Europeans" now it's like which nation hasnt had a chance of ruining our railway. .
It reminds me of todays Deutsche Bahn.
Interesting reminder of the moans and groans about British Rail in 1990...then to remember what the government's answer was in 1994: split it up into a hundred pieces!! Read and weep.
Just to correct what was said about ATP: it cannot guarantee to prevent passing red signals, but it does pretty well guarantee that trains don't reach conflict points ahead of red signals.
The rail system don't work like your train set tho does it. It's a small version of the mechanics of rail. Does your train set region have an HR department, are you liable for deaths due to collisions? I don't think you'll find running a mass rail network quite as easy as a train set.
How do you know what I’ve got in my garage ?
The music 1:56-2:46 please? Is so
I've uploaded here :) Orlando Kimber - Diamond In The Desert ua-cam.com/video/HBv0uBup6A0/v-deo.html
@@stuartelleray Thank you, but I was referring to the next melody you mention (the synthesizer song at the Leyland Daf factory and which also appears at minute 20:58 )
@@JoseSanchez-96 Oh I see sorry I'm not sure!
Europe was a problem then as it is today. I am glad we left this railway era behind though. It was dark days indeed for railways.
hahahaha did we watch the same programme? Based on it mainland Europe was light years ahead of BR, and this was a problem with mainland Europe not GB/BR?
I’m sorry so many of you guys are salty British rail didn’t work but realistically it doesn’t work. It can’t compete on a modern market and make profit
British Rail doesn't exist. salty? yeah, sorry I spilled my crisps.
Well, it could have been worse. BR could have been bought by Amtrak, and then you would have had high-speed trains designed (or rather, dictated) by the US FRA. You would have had a mini-Acela. And don't forget the almost daily crashes.
What's so bad about Acela? Certainly far better than anything the US had before and passenger numbers massively up.
They have serious accidents about every few weeks.
@@sp00kywestie every few minutes on the roads here in the U.K.
Unfortunately we still have these trams as our daily commute to Leeds and they are awful..It’s funny though when you head towards likely they have an electrified line with all the latest trains..? It’s so unfair the system in England tha nos..Please could you give us some new locos please before I go loco homeee
If they had of installed atp when this is being filmed the Paddington rail crash and the 1997 freight train and passenger train crash that was caught on camera would not of happened
Of....its have...not of
@@phantomsvideos Yes you are correct thank you! My punctuation is horrible 😂
"We're running this railway, not the Europeans".... Here we are today with huge investments from other countries companies and governments in our railways and taking the profits from them....
"Trouble of the line", eh?
That's British Rail video.
And I say...
Like; 'Trouble of the trolley, eh?' :d 😅
This is True, I suppose I should be glad my trainset does not have an HR Deptment and I would not like to be liable for deaths I also think that running my trainset is just for fun I however still think that BR Should of at least retained at least some of the brilliant Deltics for specail charter trains.
Privitisation was the only option. BR was the working life bible for bad practice and bad management. The only organisation i`ve ever heard of that killed off it`s own World leading project (APT), through sheer management incompitance and indecision.
Too much criticism of Government here. It must be remembered that the near vertical cost increases for APT year on year throughout the 70`s, including huge slips in completion time and finally resulted in absolutely nothing. meaning successive Governments were always going to come down hard on them. Upto the mid 1980`s there was no fiscal responsibility, just a nationalised begging bowl. Someone has to defend the tax payer sometimes surely?
And the supposed ray of light being HST 125. Trouble is that locomotive became the answer to a question that was never asked.
Obviously your words were written in jest ? For I cannot believe someone would be so ignorant and misinformed. You clearly never watched this video, or maybe your brain was too small to comprehend.
Privatisation did not reduce government interference, it increased it by a hundredfold. Under BR, Intercity ran at a profit and received no taxpayer money. Network South East broke even, and had it lasted another year would also be in profit without subsidy. Only Regional Railways, Freight and Parcels made a loss. But these form a social need especially in rural communities. Not to mention less lorries on our roads. Even taking into account inflation, the subsidy from the taxpayer has gone up by a factor of 8,000 times. So a rotten deal for the taxpayer, an awful deal for the passenger, and a nightmare for the staff. I cannot think of a single benefit. Privatisation was done not for benefit, but because government wanted to smash BR into as many bits as possible. This was the Tories goal under Marples and Beeching, and it remained under Thatcher and Serpell, and continued under Major. No other European country adopted our approach.
Ignorant? Absolutely not. I speak from experience.
I get young, sorry leftists saying to me that we need to nationalise the railways on a regular basis.
Yet they never traveled on it. I did as soon as I left school in 1986. And what an absolute disgrace it was. Shiny HST in the morning from the dilapidated Wolverhampton platform. Get off at the absolutely filthy Stafford Station. Leave college. Back to a platform of detritus at Stafford. Possibly covered in Coal dust and diesel fumes from a passing pair of Class 20’s.
Only to behold the 16.40 service from Glasgow. A dirty stinking train consisting of a faulty Class 47. Dragging Mk3 carriages so dirty you could barely see out of them. Walking over sandwich rappers and polystyrene cups. To sit on a seat whose antimacassar hadn’t been changed since 1979, probably.
I say to them as I say to you. Please stop with the rose tinted, ill-informed crap. The Railways under BR were underfunded. Unreliable. Dangerous and always filthy. All because the Unions, backed by the TUC wanted to battle it out with the Tories.
Just like the other monumental failure called British Leyland. I don’t blame the workforce. I blame the Unions and the management.
The rail network today is not fully private. Government controlled franchises is not what I wanted. I want private companies to be fully autonomous and in control.
I support workers rights, but I realise the Train Driving Unions are the same political breed of extremists that killed the car industry. And we shouldn’t allow that.
Nobody has a right to work. Or a right to wages. I have no doubt that train drivers are over paid because they are protected from free market forces by the unions. While that exists the railway in Britain will remain an international embarrassment.
The Government shouldn’t be running anything. Leave it to the professionals.
… by the way. Freightliner and PD Ports offer state of the art container logistics today.
Would this be the case pre privatisation? Absolutely NOT.
I rest my case.
This is what happens when you vote Tory….
in way the railway publick dont use a railway it become like a publick foot bath over grown and a venturely back to field its the same with a railway if it ant well used there no point in running it even thoe there are meany railways that are closed should't off been and should be reopened as the would be well used or used modiistly but closing most lines was under beachem and that was mainly a cost cuting excersize that was done bay someone who had a negtive and hatred for railways no mater which party how did it. The bechem scame was poorly doone and was cost cuting no fort for people getting about was really put in to it just cost cutting wich sadly is still happening now but more so with reagly used bus routs even cut know something like trams would help a lot of rurel briten but at the moment the govermeant dont think like that
+michael chick when he cut the links to the small towns and branch lines he made the network useless to many folks.
What?
You need to spell properly, it's public
At 19:02 those two railway robots need to speak English. I couldn't make heard nor tail what they were talking about... like politicians. Just tell them that.... Good bul shitters 🤯
And lable me a doomer thatll be true to some , but to do the ballsiest move wouldve been to ripp it up , close all to show how truely important and efficient rails are , allas who could put the fork into the metaphorical outlet......
😈😈😈😈yes😈😈😈😈
equinox tw@
The Goverment does not care about railways If I was the Goverment I would invest heavly in them like my trainset I have spent £600 on it buying new locomotives and tracks and rolling stock I would spend 80 Million on BR and retain the Deltics for specail trains and the 47`s.
Idiotic comment
i got 2 mins into this and was bored
Cool story
Born in 85...but I wish I could be 21 again and time travel back to 1990, perhaps earlier...with £3million - bliss