kids and adults with childlike mentality (or straight up creeps). If they're not a regular user then they're probably a childlike moderator who likes to think they have control of your kid to attack others like mob.
have you don the math on expected value per pack opened? i think this will change your mind about it being "overpriced". remember MSRP stands for Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price. key word being SUGGESTED :)
@@PikasMarket shut up. Msrp should be enforced at gunpoint. Retail products have a set price that shouldn't be affected by anything whatsoever. A shit set should still sell for the same price as a good set.
@@patrickdimech1971 naw dawg who made you pokemon gestapo? gunpoint for cards? retail products sell above and below msrp all the time. should pokemon never go on sale then either? pokemon company doesnt control the price once it ends up in consumers hands. big box wont mark up but once its in timmys hands it doesnt matter anymore.
The game piece army is the constant negative in the hobby. It’s a bunch of people who think they are playing 3D chess and nearly always “miss” every opportunity to buy at the lowest moments because “don’t worry guys, it’ll go lower”.
@ where are you located? montana or LA? lol! they sell out based on store allocations and the regional distro supply. i mean my local best buys had 4 of them but they dont have them now. its not a giant wave but more like one offs...
Pokemon has already announced they are aware of the difficulty of product availability. They also made the same post a couple of years ago around shining fates. Which can still be found at retail. There will be inventory for the next year or two. There are new products releasing for the next couple of months.
Lol what you fail to understand is that everyone who is selling Prismatic sealed product above MSRP IS A SCALPER. The correct market price IS MSRP! Until pokemon stops making this set and sends it to the secondary market Then market conditions take over. But as long as this Retail product is still being produced FOR RETAIL PRICE, no one should pay over retail to the scalpers. Just because there are 4 idiots behind me willing to pay $100 for an etb, doesn't mean I should suffer for it. Stick to the major retailers, they will get more product and they will sell it for the correct price.
It's a free market. MSRP means nothing if demand outweighs supply. People need to stop using the scalper excuse and wake up to the fact that it's a popular set
$75/ETB as the worst case scenario. To me this price is another big buying opportunity. I'm all in for another 50 ETBs lol Also to put things in perspective. The bottom price of Evolving Skies lasted only 1 month BUT it took one year for it to go to $105/Box to $250/Box. The biggest thing was no one cared since they all thought "modern was dead!"
@@PikasMarket The price will be possible if there is a big reprint or once JT comes out. A lot of folks cannot sustain set after set when things are going sideways. People will need to sell and raise capital to feed the gambling addiction. I'm pretty sure once the booster bundles are released, there is going to be too much supply since everyone has had their fill and with 2 more banger sets plus a new speciality banger set (BW set). People will have to churn and burn their so-called "investments" to move on to the next chase. There is not enough money in the market. I've seen this before and all I know is I'm making deals to get me some affordable sealed.
@@portalmasterry6765 there will be some forced liquidations to make room for new sets. that is for sure. i think the pokemon market is quite small compared to other investment markets. if we keep seeing a large influx of buyers not unlike a shitcoin pump then we could see a whole new level of pricing. memecoins pump more in a day that what the entire pokemon market is worth ie trumpcoin. the other constraint that the retail market discounts is how heavily big institutional players are in this market. they have deep pockets and incentive to buy up every reprint possible. 100K prismatic etbs is only 5 million retail msrp. not that much money in the grand scheme of things. it doesnt take much to move this market, all you have to do is corner supply because distro stinks. 4 shelves of prodcut at the local walmart and target isn't enough to curb prices. there is only 1 walmart per 75k americans on average. they need truckloads for sale in the parking lots to do real damage at the retail level lol
They haven't even said they are going to reprint etbs,they were just saying they would do a reprint in general. Might just do extra booster bundles and products like that.
I agree, I would’ve thought we saw more 151 ETBs by now.. they’re not going to do ETBs due to promos I think. It’ll be the other products like collection boxes & bundles.
If this set doesn’t hit a reasonable value and I don’t find it in person at msrp, then screw it. I just won’t have it. My hobby is collecting cards, not blowing my money over fomo. Same with journey, the rocket set, and so on. If PCI continues to fail at properly supplying their product to consumers through the official market, then I won’t be a collector anymore. Oh well. Enjoy paying $150 per new etb in perpetuity or some parasocial relationship with a whatnot streamer that opens all your packs for you.
You can literally see the chart saying number sold in the background. It spiked after the first drop and then went down again. You can assume that a decent chunk of the buyers are other scalpers and investors. If there is no demand for product on the secondary market unless it hits MSRP, scalpers cannot make a profit. Saying "decreasing demand won't help you with the issue of supply and demand" is like saying "drinking water won't change the fact that you're thirsty and hungry."' I know you said that for every 1 person saying no, there are 3-4 people saying yes. But I think the majority of the yes-men are other scalpers and only a small minority of the rest are people planning on opening the product. Also, thinking that it's going to take as long for TPC to reprint PRE as SSP is a stretch. They're likely going full force on that specific set right now - not to mention that there will be other products closer to MSRP between now and the release of the reprint, which also slows down the prices because there is more supply. I agree that the set might not reach MSRP, but it'll definitely get close. Assuming they reprint ETBs, we'll at least see them drop down to around $70 a box. Might be a short time window depending on the amount of product. This set is definitely getting the CZ treatment of multiple reprints throughout the years and it will definitely keep growing between the reprints and leave the shelves really quickly. But having multiple restocks and reprints while refusing to buy off of the secondary market will undoubtedly keep the prices low and force the scalpers to leave the scene. The take is not bad, regardless of its effectiveness or how it relates to the graph. They are not misunderstanding supply and demand. They're trying to regulate the demand until the supply is increased.
Completely agree that Prismatic is going to hold its value really well before starting to climb. I see a lot of people assuming that the reprint is going to flood the market, but I don't see that happening at all. The fact that there was a frenzy for the product even before it was released makes it different than how the price of other sets have behaved in the past. There are still tons of people who have yet to find any to rip, so anything that hits the shelves if going to be absorbed immediately as if a reprint didn't even happen.
You are underestimating how much TPC prints when there's a boom like this. Heard of Shining Fates, Pokemon GO, and Vivid Voltage? Also, would you say the same for Journey Together and Surging Sparks? 'Cause Journey went crazier and SSP did it first this time around. By the way, I'm not saying the set will be MSRP or below for 4 years. I'm simply saying the set will be abundant for a time, so everyone who wants to crack open some boxes get to at a decent price. And once scalpers who think the set is dead as a result see that, they'll drop their prices immediately and beg people to buy from them to recuperate their losses.
@@EeveelutionaryTree196 Maybe so, but then maybe not. Like I said, there are still a lot of people who have been anticipating this set's release who still have yet to find any to open. I believe that the market will quickly absorb anything that gets released for quite some time before there's any chance of it becoming "abundant" on store shelves at MSRP. IMO the secondary market will never get to MSRP.
The frenzy was from the scalpers and crippling gambling addicts lmao. I just buy all their bulk after they’re done crying and build my master set for pennies. Then buy some sealed at MSRP or less, could be now, could be 2 years from now but people will get sick of this set and move on while it’s still being printed.
6 months? More like 2+ years. They print to demand and don’t give a hoot about scalpers thinking they can hoard more product than Pokemon can print. It’s some real ass hubris lol
THIS SET WILL NEVER HIT MSRP OUTSIDE OF A TOTAL MARKET COLLAPSE. MOONBREON 2.0 WILL CATCH A BID, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE FIND OUT THEY GRADE OUT REALLY REALLY WELL AND EVERYONE WANTS IT.
It will be at MSRP at major retailers who sell it for the correct price. Scalpers don't set the price on a retail products still in production. When pokemon stops printing the set and iit goes to aftermarket ONLY then will the market decide the price.
@ the market already decides the price. this isnt price control like rents or or commodities...efficient markets set the price if you do a fundamental analysis of expected value then you know that the prismatic packs would be worth TWICE the retail price of 5 bucks a pack. you need to open a thousand to see real stability but the money talks.
Pokemon Subreddit is incredibly stupid. I cannot wrap my head around how easily redditors fall into the "non-expert" problem. Its just "scalpers" and "investors" everytime.
When you see these collecting dust on the shelves at WAWA, start panicking. I said it before and I will say it again, there is zero scarcity here. The Pokémon Company has to print millions and millions of these ETBs to make its numbers. The smart money is always moving, and this drop in price isn't over with by a long shot. Rather than chase something you can buy in every big box store, look back a few years to things like Celebrations, and grab a few of those chase cards in a PSA 10, while they are still way too cheap. Look at the price of the Shining Magikarp in a PSA 10 from that set..... just in the past month. Now they are selling on EBAY like nuts. There are only 4,448 of those in a PSA 10. Maybe two or three are graded each week now. Do you want something almost no one else has, that is one of the coolest cards ever printed or a box everyone has in the millions, with way more on the way. Scarcity matters a lot. ⚖
The eevolutions is the top selling pokemon from the franchise right now. There is no way this product is going to be sitting on the shelves. Even if it did, the chase on this product is better than you get from any other set. It tops celebrations, 151 and crown zenith. Anyone who thinks otherwise is ill informed.
@portalmasterry6765 Watch. You will see truckload after truckload hit retail, for months to come. The Pokemon company is going to make so much of this, it will be stocked on shelves everywhere. The scalpers and those who bought way too much of this thinking they were making out like bandits are going to start dumping some of those stock too, creating a glut of supply at the same time demand falls off sharply. It's called holding the 🛍️. Maybe in a few years this will come back up, but that's a terrible way to make money with so many better choices both inside the Pokemon TCG and elsewhere. Think 💬
@@AnthonyGiallourakis can’t help but feel you’re udnerestimating the single most valuable set in modern Pokemon history (and it’s really not close, nearly double the value of evolving skies) In comparison to celebrations, prismatic is almost 30x the set value
@@TheCheff93 I think you are underestimating just how much of this The Pokémon Company needs to print to continue to show year over year sales growth, it's a very big number in 2025. I can assure you, there will be no scarcity with this set over time. Everyone who wants an ETB will be able to buy one at MSRP. What I am saying is this, there are way better places to put down your money than in paying over double MSRP for something that will be sitting on shelves everywhere in a few weeks.
@@portalmasterry6765 you my friend are spreading too much knowledge to the normies ;) They cant reason with math and basic market analysis. this set is an absolute paradigm shift
I just snagged 20 more etbs for $95 each. I doubt it goes much lower the expected value is just too high. I still have 50 celebrations etbs. If the price drops I'll move in and buy a ton more to dollar cost average.
EV is massive for this set... unprecedented really. if it was priced according to surging sparks EV these packs would be 25 plus. I just dont think people are doing the math on this. even if all prismatic card prices crashed 50% the packs should still be 10 plus compared to current SV sets.
@ its whatever all these bros think they know about but i dont think they really know. i think its a solid pick up and they will be crying when this never gets down to buying territory for their paper hands
You have to remember alot of people who post on that reddit are literal kids.
kids and adults with childlike mentality (or straight up creeps). If they're not a regular user then they're probably a childlike moderator who likes to think they have control of your kid to attack others like mob.
Journey together is going to be hilarious
YOLO
Pull rates for prismatic isn’t worth it. Even buying it at retail, I’m thinking about it. But triple the price….NEVER.
have you don the math on expected value per pack opened? i think this will change your mind about it being "overpriced". remember MSRP stands for Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price. key word being SUGGESTED :)
@@PikasMarket shut up. Msrp should be enforced at gunpoint. Retail products have a set price that shouldn't be affected by anything whatsoever. A shit set should still sell for the same price as a good set.
@@patrickdimech1971 naw dawg who made you pokemon gestapo? gunpoint for cards? retail products sell above and below msrp all the time. should pokemon never go on sale then either? pokemon company doesnt control the price once it ends up in consumers hands. big box wont mark up but once its in timmys hands it doesnt matter anymore.
The game piece army is the constant negative in the hobby. It’s a bunch of people who think they are playing 3D chess and nearly always “miss” every opportunity to buy at the lowest moments because “don’t worry guys, it’ll go lower”.
My Targets and Walmarts got no ETBs this past week...only the sticker boxes...no other Prismatic. It's $90 right now on Marketplace in Tampa
they wont get any. their allocations were all sold on presale. everything that is out is out on the market now for the ETBs
@@PikasMarketanother 40 etbs at my target today. 20 the first week and 30 last week 😂 you're wrong buddy
@ where are you located? montana or LA? lol! they sell out based on store allocations and the regional distro supply. i mean my local best buys had 4 of them but they dont have them now. its not a giant wave but more like one offs...
@@PikasMarket Illinois
@PikasMarket Tampa FL
Pokemon has already announced they are aware of the difficulty of product availability. They also made the same post a couple of years ago around shining fates. Which can still be found at retail. There will be inventory for the next year or two. There are new products releasing for the next couple of months.
Lol what you fail to understand is that everyone who is selling Prismatic sealed product above MSRP IS A SCALPER. The correct market price IS MSRP! Until pokemon stops making this set and sends it to the secondary market Then market conditions take over. But as long as this Retail product is still being produced FOR RETAIL PRICE, no one should pay over retail to the scalpers. Just because there are 4 idiots behind me willing to pay $100 for an etb, doesn't mean I should suffer for it. Stick to the major retailers, they will get more product and they will sell it for the correct price.
So should everything always priced at msrp regardless of market demand?
It's a free market. MSRP means nothing if demand outweighs supply. People need to stop using the scalper excuse and wake up to the fact that it's a popular set
The Timmy's are gonna Timmy and the market's gonna market. 🤷♂️
@@NEOTCG yes. Stores shouldn't even get a choice.
@@patrickdimech1971 when booster boxes were selling under $100 they should have charged $165 since that's MSRP?
$75/ETB as the worst case scenario. To me this price is another big buying opportunity. I'm all in for another 50 ETBs lol
Also to put things in perspective. The bottom price of Evolving Skies lasted only 1 month BUT it took one year for it to go to $105/Box to $250/Box. The biggest thing was no one cared since they all thought "modern was dead!"
75 would be an insane price. like free real estate lol. cahsing out my 401k lol jk but really tho
@@PikasMarket The price will be possible if there is a big reprint or once JT comes out. A lot of folks cannot sustain set after set when things are going sideways. People will need to sell and raise capital to feed the gambling addiction.
I'm pretty sure once the booster bundles are released, there is going to be too much supply since everyone has had their fill and with 2 more banger sets plus a new speciality banger set (BW set). People will have to churn and burn their so-called "investments" to move on to the next chase. There is not enough money in the market. I've seen this before and all I know is I'm making deals to get me some affordable sealed.
@@portalmasterry6765 there will be some forced liquidations to make room for new sets. that is for sure. i think the pokemon market is quite small compared to other investment markets. if we keep seeing a large influx of buyers not unlike a shitcoin pump then we could see a whole new level of pricing. memecoins pump more in a day that what the entire pokemon market is worth ie trumpcoin. the other constraint that the retail market discounts is how heavily big institutional players are in this market. they have deep pockets and incentive to buy up every reprint possible. 100K prismatic etbs is only 5 million retail msrp. not that much money in the grand scheme of things. it doesnt take much to move this market, all you have to do is corner supply because distro stinks. 4 shelves of prodcut at the local walmart and target isn't enough to curb prices. there is only 1 walmart per 75k americans on average. they need truckloads for sale in the parking lots to do real damage at the retail level lol
Wow someone with a brain, refreshing!
They haven't even said they are going to reprint etbs,they were just saying they would do a reprint in general. Might just do extra booster bundles and products like that.
BINGO. ETBS aren't worth it to reprint. too many extra supplies and promos to print in that format. booster bundles are easy tho
@@PikasMarket yeah they have to deal with suppliers from china to buy dices and card sleeves
Lol there going to print the shit out of it dude get real
I agree, I would’ve thought we saw more 151 ETBs by now.. they’re not going to do ETBs due to promos I think. It’ll be the other products like collection boxes & bundles.
They're gonna print the hell out of it. The did it before with Silver Tempest and Crown Zenith
Here's another question I often ask. Why are sellers even undercutting the next guy instead of keeping their prices firm? We know they'll sell.
If this set doesn’t hit a reasonable value and I don’t find it in person at msrp, then screw it. I just won’t have it. My hobby is collecting cards, not blowing my money over fomo. Same with journey, the rocket set, and so on. If PCI continues to fail at properly supplying their product to consumers through the official market, then I won’t be a collector anymore. Oh well. Enjoy paying $150 per new etb in perpetuity or some parasocial relationship with a whatnot streamer that opens all your packs for you.
You can literally see the chart saying number sold in the background. It spiked after the first drop and then went down again. You can assume that a decent chunk of the buyers are other scalpers and investors.
If there is no demand for product on the secondary market unless it hits MSRP, scalpers cannot make a profit. Saying "decreasing demand won't help you with the issue of supply and demand" is like saying "drinking water won't change the fact that you're thirsty and hungry."'
I know you said that for every 1 person saying no, there are 3-4 people saying yes. But I think the majority of the yes-men are other scalpers and only a small minority of the rest are people planning on opening the product. Also, thinking that it's going to take as long for TPC to reprint PRE as SSP is a stretch. They're likely going full force on that specific set right now - not to mention that there will be other products closer to MSRP between now and the release of the reprint, which also slows down the prices because there is more supply.
I agree that the set might not reach MSRP, but it'll definitely get close. Assuming they reprint ETBs, we'll at least see them drop down to around $70 a box. Might be a short time window depending on the amount of product. This set is definitely getting the CZ treatment of multiple reprints throughout the years and it will definitely keep growing between the reprints and leave the shelves really quickly. But having multiple restocks and reprints while refusing to buy off of the secondary market will undoubtedly keep the prices low and force the scalpers to leave the scene.
The take is not bad, regardless of its effectiveness or how it relates to the graph. They are not misunderstanding supply and demand. They're trying to regulate the demand until the supply is increased.
Completely agree that Prismatic is going to hold its value really well before starting to climb. I see a lot of people assuming that the reprint is going to flood the market, but I don't see that happening at all. The fact that there was a frenzy for the product even before it was released makes it different than how the price of other sets have behaved in the past. There are still tons of people who have yet to find any to rip, so anything that hits the shelves if going to be absorbed immediately as if a reprint didn't even happen.
Reprints! Plus the pull rates are horrible.
You are underestimating how much TPC prints when there's a boom like this.
Heard of Shining Fates, Pokemon GO, and Vivid Voltage?
Also, would you say the same for Journey Together and Surging Sparks? 'Cause Journey went crazier and SSP did it first this time around.
By the way, I'm not saying the set will be MSRP or below for 4 years. I'm simply saying the set will be abundant for a time, so everyone who wants to crack open some boxes get to at a decent price. And once scalpers who think the set is dead as a result see that, they'll drop their prices immediately and beg people to buy from them to recuperate their losses.
@@EeveelutionaryTree196 Maybe so, but then maybe not. Like I said, there are still a lot of people who have been anticipating this set's release who still have yet to find any to open. I believe that the market will quickly absorb anything that gets released for quite some time before there's any chance of it becoming "abundant" on store shelves at MSRP. IMO the secondary market will never get to MSRP.
The frenzy was from the scalpers and crippling gambling addicts lmao. I just buy all their bulk after they’re done crying and build my master set for pennies. Then buy some sealed at MSRP or less, could be now, could be 2 years from now but people will get sick of this set and move on while it’s still being printed.
@@joeyo4134 That doesn't really follow the pattern that we've been seeing for sealed product, but good luck with your plan.
Pokemon Co has said they will be reprinting PE for at lest 6 months, you have plenty of time before prices start going up significantly.
6 months? More like 2+ years. They print to demand and don’t give a hoot about scalpers thinking they can hoard more product than Pokemon can print. It’s some real ass hubris lol
THIS SET WILL NEVER HIT MSRP OUTSIDE OF A TOTAL MARKET COLLAPSE. MOONBREON 2.0 WILL CATCH A BID, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE FIND OUT THEY GRADE OUT REALLY REALLY WELL AND EVERYONE WANTS IT.
It will be at MSRP at major retailers who sell it for the correct price. Scalpers don't set the price on a retail products still in production. When pokemon stops printing the set and iit goes to aftermarket ONLY then will the market decide the price.
@ the market already decides the price. this isnt price control like rents or or commodities...efficient markets set the price if you do a fundamental analysis of expected value then you know that the prismatic packs would be worth TWICE the retail price of 5 bucks a pack. you need to open a thousand to see real stability but the money talks.
Pokemon Subreddit is incredibly stupid. I cannot wrap my head around how easily redditors fall into the "non-expert" problem. Its just "scalpers" and "investors" everytime.
bro sounds like popularMMO's 😭😭😭
i heard the pc etbs wont be restocked?
Buy the dip like cryptocurrency.
This video is way too reasonable, entertaining, and well outlined for me- I’m out ✌️
lol
In a blind man's world, the one eyed man is king, and his name is Neo.
When you see these collecting dust on the shelves at WAWA, start panicking. I said it before and I will say it again, there is zero scarcity here. The Pokémon Company has to print millions and millions of these ETBs to make its numbers. The smart money is always moving, and this drop in price isn't over with by a long shot. Rather than chase something you can buy in every big box store, look back a few years to things like Celebrations, and grab a few of those chase cards in a PSA 10, while they are still way too cheap. Look at the price of the Shining Magikarp in a PSA 10 from that set..... just in the past month. Now they are selling on EBAY like nuts. There are only 4,448 of those in a PSA 10. Maybe two or three are graded each week now. Do you want something almost no one else has, that is one of the coolest cards ever printed or a box everyone has in the millions, with way more on the way. Scarcity matters a lot. ⚖
The eevolutions is the top selling pokemon from the franchise right now. There is no way this product is going to be sitting on the shelves. Even if it did, the chase on this product is better than you get from any other set. It tops celebrations, 151 and crown zenith. Anyone who thinks otherwise is ill informed.
@portalmasterry6765 Watch. You will see truckload after truckload hit retail, for months to come. The Pokemon company is going to make so much of this, it will be stocked on shelves everywhere. The scalpers and those who bought way too much of this thinking they were making out like bandits are going to start dumping some of those stock too, creating a glut of supply at the same time demand falls off sharply. It's called holding the 🛍️. Maybe in a few years this will come back up, but that's a terrible way to make money with so many better choices both inside the Pokemon TCG and elsewhere. Think 💬
@@AnthonyGiallourakis can’t help but feel you’re udnerestimating the single most valuable set in modern Pokemon history (and it’s really not close, nearly double the value of evolving skies)
In comparison to celebrations, prismatic is almost 30x the set value
@@TheCheff93 I think you are underestimating just how much of this The Pokémon Company needs to print to continue to show year over year sales growth, it's a very big number in 2025. I can assure you, there will be no scarcity with this set over time. Everyone who wants an ETB will be able to buy one at MSRP. What I am saying is this, there are way better places to put down your money than in paying over double MSRP for something that will be sitting on shelves everywhere in a few weeks.
@@portalmasterry6765 you my friend are spreading too much knowledge to the normies ;) They cant reason with math and basic market analysis. this set is an absolute paradigm shift
I just snagged 20 more etbs for $95 each. I doubt it goes much lower the expected value is just too high. I still have 50 celebrations etbs. If the price drops I'll move in and buy a ton more to dollar cost average.
EV is massive for this set... unprecedented really. if it was priced according to surging sparks EV these packs would be 25 plus. I just dont think people are doing the math on this. even if all prismatic card prices crashed 50% the packs should still be 10 plus compared to current SV sets.
You overpayed bro.
@@DubC208 whatever that means
@ its whatever all these bros think they know about but i dont think they really know. i think its a solid pick up and they will be crying when this never gets down to buying territory for their paper hands
@@PikasMarket yea. My track record speaks for itself.
Its a race to yhe bottom bc this market will be like beanie babies
I hope so! When beanie babies crashed I was able to get them cheap, I'd love for the same to happen to pokemon.