The outer chain basket should also rotate relative to the slotted hub with no clutch plates in.The the clutch won’t release when assembled if they are solid..
I'd check with a motorcycle shop about getting replacement clutch pieces. Also, those pieces should have been soaked in transmission fluid! He drop the rod when he was draining the transmission. He does this a lot!
Hi Adam, That truck is going to be great and the choice of engine will give it some beans. The clutch basket looks identical to Enfield clutches fitted to older Enfield motorbikes with Albion gearboxes. I think yours is bigger with reverse, which I beliebve some BSA's had for a sidecar. The gearbox should be filled with heavy engine oil as Albion boxes on bikes often stated not to use hypoid gear oils. I have had to fill the the internal cases with a mixture of oil and grease where there is a charging stator. The springs should'nt be tightened right down otherwise I doubt it will dissengage. There looks loads of meat on the friction discs though. Cracking content as always Adam. Dont worry about cutting stuff out. There are loads of people who have never worked on this older stuff and seeing you repair engines and equipment without just buying new parts is a lesson to us all.
That clutch is nearly identical to BSA and Triumph motorcycle . The differences are the location of the adjuster and the number of tension springs plates. Otherwise, it's the same basic design . How many people saw the clutch center push rod fall out while he was draining the transmission?
I used to drive a Bonser Truck at work, many years ago. A great little utility vehicle. It will be interesting to see you complete the rebuild of yours.
Frictions keyed to outer hub.... steels keyed to inner hub. Springs squeeze all plates, transmitting power from outer to inner. The throwout system is a rod, ball, and cam. Cam gives linear motion from cable to ball. Ball shoves rod to pressure plate, relieving tension on frictions and steels, allowing clutch to slip. Proper setup is a measured distance of spring compression height (not bottomed), allowing full engagement, declutching, and pedal freeplay (measured distance at pedal). Voila, the typical motorcycle clutch system in a nutshell, lol Edit: the rod fell out when you tipped out the gear oil
Ahh!🤔🤨...😁 I was watching Tweeds Garage working on His Villiers 9d engine out of His 39 Excilsior. The gearbox is the same disign "except attached to the engine bit" with the clutch rod actuiator going thrugh the powershafts & working the cork clutch. "old Hudson Cars used cork clutches too, they were smooth".. So, I remarked It was identical to The Albion I once worked on & he replied That the gearbox was probabley made by ( Burman, Albion, Sturmey Archer ) gearbox suppliers at the time. In my travels, I saw somewere an old Rokon Fan site & the guy was machineing & supplying bronze bushes & spare parts For Albion Gearboxes, cant seem to find that particular page now but If you try searching, there is some interesting info out there about Albions✌👍
Should of taken it all apart properly Man cave ? The inner clutch should turn independent of the outer basket when the rod is engaged ?would of been better to take it all off the main shaft and cleaned it with in an inch of its life ??
I would think the three springs should have gaps it seems too tight as it will not realese the clutch plates , , the nuts on many bike clutches don't tighten all the way in , they have notches that often ware off , you need a clutch arm that will push the push rod in ,
You should be able to move the central clutch drum freely from the outer drive drum without any plates or springs installed, there should be a small amount of movement of the outer pressure plate so whatever you do don't welly the springs up and totally compress them or your clutch will be permanently engaged. Oh and the through shaft dropped out when you drained the oil, the adjuster fell in the tub and the shaft you knocked on the floor 😂
To help clean up the clutch slip rings. I would use a piece of glass and a white piece of Emery tape and move it around in a figure of eight pattern on each side to clean up the discs as best you can without removing the main core material of the disc. The last time I did something similar I used the Emery tape originally used for a skateboard deck on a sheet of glass which keeps a perfectly flat. I hope this helps. Cheers Derek
Lovely job good work i couldnt belive the gritty sluge stuff in that clutch proper manky but thats just the way we like it means it hasnt been used in a while, ashame about the slip rings but like you said for what it is it wont hurt it probably give it a bit more chew 👍
Noticed the rod fell out when you were draining the gear oil. Same things happens to me from time to time be it tools that I just had or bolts or even parts. Lol
Sybil I have been shouting at the screen telling you your rod fell on the floor when you drained the oil lol. Anyone would think Adam can't hear us haha.
The Bonser will be a good project but the Robin pickup might be more useful. I just simply don't know which you need more. The Robin can tow the Bonser on a trailer to your motor shows I reckon. It could carry a massive engine aboard her to your shows. Like one of those 8" huge piston engines and have a spectacular show piece as well as your small gensets to produce light at night in the wintertime night show.
Suggest you use electrolysis to clean that rust off. Much better and a whole lot cheaper than Evaporust. Use aluminium car exhaust heat shields as anodes. Old style 12 Volt battery charger to provide current.
That’s not a drain it’s your level. Plug the material in the clutch plates is cork which u can buy from a classic motor bike parts supplier the plates with the cork in should be soaked in oil over night the outer drum runs on a ball race and should be free running from the centre hub when the plates are removed or the clutch is depressed I think u should change your channel to blow squirt and bodge lol😂
Yur doppy buper yur standin on it
Did I see the internal clutch rod fall out and onto the floor? I think I did.
The outer chain basket should also rotate relative to the slotted hub with no clutch plates in.The the clutch won’t release when assembled if they are solid..
When you were dumping the oil out is when the rod fell out and hit the floor
At 52:27 😊
I'd check with a motorcycle shop about getting replacement clutch pieces. Also, those pieces should have been soaked in transmission fluid!
He drop the rod when he was draining the transmission. He does this a lot!
I think they may be the same friction sections used in Ransomes clutches, each segment is replaceable but costly as there's three plates 😮
This is a dry clutch so do not soak in oil if it was a wet clutch when soak them in the oil they run in.
@@ronme68 yeah, forgot to say its a dry clutch.
We all saw the rod fall out. I kept yelling "look on the floor". Lol
Hi Adam,
That truck is going to be great and the choice of engine will give it some beans. The clutch basket looks identical to Enfield clutches fitted to older Enfield motorbikes with Albion gearboxes. I think yours is bigger with reverse, which I beliebve some BSA's had for a sidecar. The gearbox should be filled with heavy engine oil as Albion boxes on bikes often stated not to use hypoid gear oils. I have had to fill the the internal cases with a mixture of oil and grease where there is a charging stator. The springs should'nt be tightened right down otherwise I doubt it will dissengage. There looks loads of meat on the friction discs though. Cracking content as always Adam. Dont worry about cutting stuff out. There are loads of people who have never worked on this older stuff and seeing you repair engines and equipment without just buying new parts is a lesson to us all.
That clutch is nearly identical to BSA and Triumph motorcycle . The differences are the location of the adjuster and the number of tension springs plates. Otherwise, it's the same basic design . How many people saw the clutch center push rod fall out while he was draining the transmission?
Surprised you didn't check the inner and outer parts of the clutch were independently free whilst the discs were out..
I used to drive a Bonser Truck at work, many years ago. A great little utility vehicle. It will be interesting to see you complete the rebuild of yours.
Hi mate you can get clutch corks bsa or ajs all the British motorcycles have them it would be a good idea to get new one's
Frictions keyed to outer hub.... steels keyed to inner hub. Springs squeeze all plates, transmitting power from outer to inner. The throwout system is a rod, ball, and cam. Cam gives linear motion from cable to ball. Ball shoves rod to pressure plate, relieving tension on frictions and steels, allowing clutch to slip. Proper setup is a measured distance of spring compression height (not bottomed), allowing full engagement, declutching, and pedal freeplay (measured distance at pedal). Voila, the typical motorcycle clutch system in a nutshell, lol
Edit: the rod fell out when you tipped out the gear oil
Ahh!🤔🤨...😁
I was watching Tweeds Garage working on His Villiers 9d engine out of His 39 Excilsior. The gearbox is the same disign "except attached to the engine bit" with the clutch rod actuiator going thrugh the powershafts & working the cork clutch. "old Hudson Cars used cork clutches too, they were smooth".. So, I remarked It was identical to The Albion I once worked on & he replied That the gearbox was probabley made by ( Burman, Albion, Sturmey Archer ) gearbox suppliers at the time. In my travels, I saw somewere an old Rokon Fan site & the guy was machineing & supplying bronze bushes & spare parts For Albion Gearboxes, cant seem to find that particular page now but If you try searching, there is some interesting info out there about Albions✌👍
Should of taken it all apart properly Man cave ? The inner clutch should turn independent of the outer basket when the rod is engaged ?would of been better to take it all off the main shaft and cleaned it with in an inch of its life ??
I would think the three springs should have gaps it seems too tight as it will not realese the clutch plates , , the nuts on many bike clutches don't tighten all the way in , they have notches that often ware off , you need a clutch arm that will push the push rod in ,
You should be able to move the central clutch drum freely from the outer drive drum without any plates or springs installed, there should be a small amount of movement of the outer pressure plate so whatever you do don't welly the springs up and totally compress them or your clutch will be permanently engaged. Oh and the through shaft dropped out when you drained the oil, the adjuster fell in the tub and the shaft you knocked on the floor 😂
To help clean up the clutch slip rings. I would use a piece of glass and a white piece of Emery tape and move it around in a figure of eight pattern on each side to clean up the discs as best you can without removing the main core material of the disc. The last time I did something similar I used the Emery tape originally used for a skateboard deck on a sheet of glass which keeps a perfectly flat. I hope this helps. Cheers Derek
Lovely job good work i couldnt belive the gritty sluge stuff in that clutch proper manky but thats just the way we like it means it hasnt been used in a while, ashame about the slip rings but like you said for what it is it wont hurt it probably give it a bit more chew 👍
Noticed the rod fell out when you were draining the gear oil. Same things happens to me from time to time be it tools that I just had or bolts or even parts. Lol
Clutch springs done up too tight, it won’t release with them locked down tight . 👍 the clutch rod fell on the ground when you tipped the oil out 😁
Sybil I have been shouting at the screen telling you your rod fell on the floor when you drained the oil lol.
Anyone would think Adam can't hear us haha.
At 38:40 the inner and out drums should move independently, your's appear to be stuck together so the clutch won't disengage.
The Bonser will be a good project but the Robin pickup might be more useful. I just simply don't know which you need more. The Robin can tow the Bonser on a trailer to your motor shows I reckon. It could carry a massive engine aboard her to your shows. Like one of those 8" huge piston engines and have a spectacular show piece as well as your small gensets to produce light at night in the wintertime night show.
Rod fell on the floor!!
I was wondering how long it would take you to find the transfer rod had fallen out. I saw that happen as you were shing the diesel in the gear box.
Clutch springs should not be fully tightened as clutch wont telease. They should also be evenly compressed
Yes when you were tipping out the oil out it hit the bench and fell off the bench on to the floor
Suggest you use electrolysis to clean that rust off. Much better and a whole lot cheaper than Evaporust. Use aluminium car exhaust heat shields as anodes. Old style 12 Volt battery charger to provide current.
I noticed it fall out when you first tipped the oil out t4 John
I noticed the rod falling out on the floor
Don't forget the the cluuh rod you dropped on the floor
Pick the rod you dropped on the floor and put it back in
Yes , I saw it fall .
Myself I would take that whole drum off and inspect it for rust
The pushrod dropped out
You need a remote mic. You volume is all over the place!
Long black rod fell on the floor.
That’s not a drain it’s your level. Plug the material in the clutch plates is cork which u can buy from a classic motor bike parts supplier the plates with the cork in should be soaked in oil over night the outer drum runs on a ball race and should be free running from the centre hub when the plates are removed or the clutch is depressed I think u should change your channel to blow squirt and bodge lol😂
you have to hold youre mouth just right to fit it all in
the long push rod fell out its under your feet
its on the floor
Rally car team mechanics would just have rolled it on its side and made it easier to get at things.
It fell on the floor
wow I'm first
So!?