no matter how common it is in kpop i will never get over how young 13 years old is... like that is a toddler and we need to get them away from the cameras!!!
right! and they prey on the fact that they have a lot of young fans who think that 13 is not a whole child bc they're also 13. when i think back to me being 13 i'm more aware of how much of an actual baby i was. her mother is so triffling, i'm sorry lol
@@duetforherbivoresright? I mean I always kinda knew 13 was too much but I became a kpop fan at 15 and my first three groups were all adults: bts, Blackpink, and idle. I also stanned txt but it was before they even had a name or identities revealed. So when I found out Nct maknaes were still 16 I was so shocked but I wanted to stan. Then came izone and I was even more shocked to find they were YOUNGER than me. I was like im baby but why are yujin and wony younger than me and why is a 14 year old debuting? But no one overreacted so I took it as normal.
@@SweetforSthe only reason people didn’t over react back then was because some of their fave idols (depending on the time of that groups debut) debuted as minors. I mean out of all the post IZ*ONE debuted minors barely had any involvement at any concept or songs that sexualised them before becoming a legal adult (Korea it is 19 which for the context of Kpop I’ll use) like since at the time of their debut, Nayeon was the only adult in Twice (if I used international which I am not then it would only be the Maknae line who were underage) and some of the moves in like ooh ahh could count as sexualisation for those under Korea’s legal adult limit but we also had Tzuyu being sexualised in other ways to which obviously caused backlash since she was 16/17 throughout those 2 years or so she was sexualised. But thing is you had groups with members being all minors and not having a sexy concept (as I mentioned I’ll go by Korea’s legal age system) like SNSD and then you also have groups that had minors at debut like Loona that effectively avoided having a sexy concept with minors being present. The fact that the newer fans of kpop (mainly being Gen Z and Alpha) are more vocal on rights and how people should be portrayed in media like this shows that we are more protective of those at a younger, relative and older age like personally if you debut a minor and they are still a minor when you have a sexualised concept, that’s a no no but if it’s a concept suitable for minors and if the group doesn’t get overworked then I’d say it’s fine for minors to debut as long as they make good decisions too but I agree with the part about no one batting an eye at the ages of the Yujin and Wonyoung during produce and their debut in Iz*one like ever since then, none of mnets other survival shows had contestants this young I’m pretty sure so yeah! I agree with you mainly on that!
Nah I'm sorry but It's so freaking wild how the industry puts minors in every song with innuendos. If you wanna do some weird/erotic food metaphoric nickelodeon typa shit hire a group full of adults. It was so uncomfortable to watch: all the lines about popping it like cheese, all my body under cream, eat it, eat me and whatever else it says (I'm not listening to the song again, 1 time is ENOUGH) it all felt so... ahem... Like can we stop hiring minors and making them have sexy concepts? ALSO WHAT THE F IS THAT NAME
posse is literally another word for "group".. i get that the concept of their debut is EXTREMELY inappropriate (easily cookie 2.0, this is just another level of gross) but saying young posse means.. THAT, is a bit of a stretch, i think. otherwise, i 100% understand the discomfort and disgust with their concept.
@@donovanberes When I mention Nickelodeon I refer to all the fetish and weird stuff included by Dan Schneider in the shows (such as innuendos and too many feet overall) and how all the actors and actresses who portraied them were minors. The shows all were so quirky and colorful but had many weird/uncomfortable moments, it reminded me of how this song ''Macaroni Cheese'' kind of masks all the innaproppriate aspects of the lyrics with a childish background and catchy quirky beats
@@allelitememesaem3916 i just thought it was a dope sounding hip hop style Kpop song. I honestly didn't think much more than that. Granted I can be pretty surface level when it comes to songs.
You're so right about the "fun kind of kpop is back" opinion. Like it can be fun, cool, quirky and APPROPRIATE (orange caramel vibes) instead of having wierd lyrics that sound suspiciously inappropriate. This is a BIG issue with when it's a song given to a group with MINORS in it but if it's all adults, i wouldn't mind at all.
mentally, physically, emotionally, i was so immature in many ways when i was 13. being a k-pop idol takes a lot of stress and responsibility on top of school, family and whatever else a 13 year old could be dealing with. imo the cutoff should be 18 like most jobs are.
And people were defending these lyrics on twitter, for some reason k-pop stans NEVER choose the right side, they judge fifity fifity girls for defending themselves from their company but they defend things like cookie and macaroni cheese lyrics , Girl I can't!
Never. Why are Kpop fans defending a CEO or a company over a Kpop idol. How many times in the entertainment industry have we seen those in higher positions abuse their power to exploit those in lower positions.
Fifty Fifty wasn't a great example considering it's super messy and complicated and it's still ongoing with more evidence being added... Besides that, I do agree that no one should be defending these lyrics or the choice to debut minors.
@@ThemedNumber02if it was a boy group like omega x or got7 EVERYONE would be on the side of the boys. It’s just the sexism rearing its ugly head again.
Itd be a lot easier to list whats not the problem with this release like you even got a 13 year old doing this instead of many talented undebuted adults?!? Ppl been saying members wrote it as if that makes it better, like was there any lyrical supervision too? All that for the debut to not even be good like its fromis_9's FUN! with none of the fun and rapping of XG and CRAXY without the flow or interesting things.
the mv honestly looked like a magic school bus field trip which the lyrical content should match! but i think making a concept based around food, especially mac and cheese is just a bad idea from the start like idk unfortunately we cannot all be candy jelly love
your takes are very refreshing. i feel like in the whole kpop community people are so ignorant to these kinda of issues that you can practically never explore nuances and smaller details of intention since nobody will ever hear you out. even if you have indismissable evidence nobody will believe you half the time. i’m really scared for all the young idols in general. can’t imagine what it’s like behind the scenes. like with something like this that means the creator director(s) had to sit down and discuss all of this and continually thought it was okay? the fuck?
Cause kpop Stan are some of the dumbest mfs on earth 😭 someone says “I’m scared for the well being of a child in an exploitative industry” they hear “fuck them kids” it’s no reasoning with these fuckass people 🫠
I share this experience as well. To the point where I’m under the conspiracy that any takes relating to this topic are being supressed. Whenever I identify the negative consequences that come from debuting underage… or point out current examples of how underage idols are being exploited, there’s always this dismissive attitude in response. I don’t know why it’s taken me so long but I now realize fans really don’t care about their idols the way they say they do.
the way people were trying to defend the lyrics of the song 😭😭😭 like mhj isnt here to indoctrinate you anymore you dont have to deny that these companies are being creepy as hell
Around the same day, a lesser known group, 'Qwer', debuted with their jpop/ jrock themed track 'Discord'. I watched it right after this and it was refreshing.
i knew as soon as i saw " macaroni cheese " it would be like cookie. companies give MINORS such sexual songs then with adults they get treated like kids??? i never thought i would see another company giving more minors a cookie type song. atp im not surprised but this is just down right disgusting..
Tbh I didn’t see anything wrong with the song until people started talking about it being sexual. The mv was very straightforward on the food being the focus. But Now that I go over the lyrics especially the English parts, it could’ve been written differently. I know Sunhye, the member who wrote the song was legit just about food but the other writers most likely changed it. Also knowing that Sunhye doesn’t know English kinda makes more sense as to why these lyrics sounded that way
@@perhappuls yh it is a shame the adults didn't catch the innuendos. tbf, i didn't see any innuendos until someone explained it to me but then again, i didn't get the innuendos in cookie until a few reads of the lyrics
@@SweetforS a 19 year old is perfectly capable of writing a sex song. Guys, what's with this babying? I hate the fact that they made a 13 year old sing this song BUT let's not pretend that a 19 year old is some kind of a nun that doesn't know what sex is or what innuendos are. I'm sure the girl wrote it about food but those innuendos are there for a reason.
It’s weird people are defending it with that because why are grown women giving these lyrics to little kids!!! People are so gross like how will you ignore minors being sexualised so you don’t feel bad about listening to a song it is so icky
right like💀💀 just bc they 19 don't mean that they all of a sudden are grown adults with fully developed brains, they still in they teens. its still creepy ash considering they're barely adults; i wonder what typa sick brainwashing these grown men (staff) did to them since they were young and what kinda sick parents sign their 13 year old's (prolly younger bc of the training time) life away to sickos
@@16kma alright imma disagree with that part as i was 19 myself recently; you're very much developed and capable adult at that age. 'teen' is only in name, and it's not even a universal word either, koreans for example don't have a concept of a 'teenager' in their language (only adolescents). 19 is grown both biologically and legally, these two should've thought about the younger girls who don't have adult rights and responsibilities yet
there's absolutely no excusing the lyrics and justifying it w "they wrote it themselves" sure..... I'm sure they weren't influenced into it. "shorty likes it greasy" like there's no "ethnostate" excuse there's no "for the fans" excuse. this and cookie gonna be playing reverb and slowed in hell
I absolutely, a thousand percent agree. After Newjeans I don’t believe any other group with minors should be able to achieve the level of fame they have.
the moment i had seen the groups name, my eyebrow instantly raised. as for the mv+song, i get it, it can be seen as quirky, cute and fun but making the concept around food isn't necessarily the best idea!...plus the youngest member is 13 like erm...
@@CrazyTreYer there is a reason why a group that was supposed to be called blit changed their name, even though blit itself doesn't mean anything weird. same goes for this group's name
the fact that their name is pronounced "yeong passi" is already so weird like its giving blit 2.0 Edit: yall ik posse means crew but considering how mac n cheese is literal innuendo for.....let's not give these whack adults the benefit of the doubt
What happened with DSP? Is this the same company that debuted KARA, Rainbown and April? Their groups were fabulous and had a great discography (especially KARA). But them debuting a 13 year old girl is not a surprise, Kara's Jiyeon debuted at 14 and April's Jinsol debuted at 13 as well
i don’t understand why people are sexualizing the group name tho?? posse literally means a group of friends yall are weird for even thinking its supposed to sound like young p*ssy??
As far as the MV's visuals go, I believe most of it was farmed out to a US director and crew. He did post-production of planning the shots, the on sight directing, and visual effects afterwards. I saw a video with the director, and he really didn't give the impression that he was trying to film something provocative in a sexual sense. He got a working track of the song, thought it was different/cool sounding, knew it was about Mac & Cheese, so he and his visual crew went to town on making something crazy. I believe the company reached out to him because they knew he was a person who did strange visuals. So making microwave sets and a cheese tunnel was what they wanted, to his surprise. He seemed fully unaware that K-Pop loves crazy visuals, so him suggesting transitions of falling out of air planes, floating in huge bowls, and flying vending machines was just what the company wanted. So I think in terms of the directing side, he just wanted to make something really cool. He also was nothing but amazed and overflowing with praise for the shooting crew, all the girl's staffers, and the girls themselves. The one thing I got the impression he wasn't a fan of was the crazy work schedule which was a 22 hour shoot...nonstop. So it was from 7am one day all they to 5am the next. I doubt he knew the ages because as an American that would kinda be upsetting to know you're asking a 13 year old to reshoot intense dance choreo at 3am in the morning, you know? Since the guy seemed down to earth, I have to think he was in the dark on a lot of things. At least that's how it came off to me. He did praise not only staff for keeping the energy up, but the girls themselves. He said they were excited about every aspect of the shoot (given it's their first MV) so they gave it their all. She also thought they were very professional for being so inexperienced and he admired that. So yeah, novel aside, I just thought I'd point out that I think the foreign director and his crew probably had no idea about the ages, and probably weren't looking for sexual lyrics either. He just seemed in awe of Korea, the work ethic, the talent the crew/girls had, and the country itself. I can tell he didn't feel weirded out and really enjoyed the experience. Since he was one of two people on set who spoke english, he said he communicated to the girls through pantomime, and built a chemistry off of that because they thought it was fun and he thought they were cute. I get the impression that he'd rather work in Korea than here, judging by the video I saw, lol. I guess things are just ran better there in his experience, other than the crunch hours.
@S4TURN_officiallisten to posse up and tell me you don’t hear it. They don’t pronounce it in the way the Hangul says which is “pawssshhi” they says “puhseeee” and there’s like a slight vowel intonation diff between that and the other word like please don’t be deaf here
@@SweetforS did you ever start to consider that maybe that’s because it’s an English word and these people are… Korean and speak Korean as a first language yes the debut was inappropriate but these girls are going to have an accent, and pronounce English words differently, because they don’t speak English as a native language. And a word like that, can easily be miss pronounced like the other word.
I swear this is my conspiracy theorist moment...if you listen to the first track of their mini there is NO WAY that the girls are not just shouting "YOUNG PUSSY". And the styling of the youngest girls is SO inappropriate - the bimbofication of the 13 yr old? I'm calling the police.
Wait wait where? Where was the bimbo? Genuinely curious bc I don’t doubt it I hate that they gave her mini skirts to dance with on stage when she’s literally 13. What ever happened to pants?
i am 29 and have NO interest listening to 13 year olds!! Why do companies think all kpop stans want to relate to toddlers? I relate to Irene much more...
Right? I’m 20 and feel so uncomfortable about this and had just turned 19 last year when cookie was released. For nj, I didn’t mind their ages as much as the way the song turned out. I believe it’s somewhat acceptable to debut a group of teens IF and only if the concept is completely child friendly and good for the members. And never is 13 ok either. So putting both 13/14 AND a flirtatious concept like this together? No no no no
@@Dawnvvz doesn’t mean they should debut kids… and then make it a sexual concept too. Two wrongs do not make a right. Either debut adults with a mature concept or debut kids with a kid friendly concept to appeal to the younger generation
A 13 knows about sexual jokes and innuendos (at least I did and I was 13, 3 years ago) The problem is broadcasting what a 13 yr say to the entire world because a 13 yr knows what the jokes mean but they don’t the ramifications of a bunch of adults interacting with that will have. It’s also sending a message of “they wanted it” yes the child has a mind and agency of their own but they don’t have one like an adult and showcasing this song as one they wrote themselves is taking responsibility of the adults who should be protecting and them adults who are desperate for any excuse to prove they’re not weird for enjoying this stuff
@@vivennecapri that's what I meant without elaborating really. a 13 year old can grasp the idea of sexual innuendos, maybe string a few lines together, but in no way can grasp how much their words will follow them for the rest of their lives or the kinds of people that listen to those words, basically the depth behind it all. Like a 5 year old not really understanding the weight behind the worlds 'I hate you' and then realizing at 30 how painful that would have been to your parents.
@@jadenalan6654 I feel like their debut is doomed to fail from the very start. It could've started out with something more similar to "Fire" by 2NE1 (I'm also seeing people saying they're similar to 2ne1 like WHERE?? Lmao).
anyone with half a brain in the west knows the connotation between macaroni cheese and what [redacted] sounds like, its literally in the lyrics to one of the most controversial and viral songs to drop in the last 5 years at least. to have minors singing about "macaroni cheese", in a group with a name pronounced like that no less, is crazy. it's getting very weird, shut it down.
Here are some official lyrics. Also, they kinda make their voices kinda sound like calm Bibi (K-Hiphop) 2nd verse: Put it in a freezer, ooh, ice Breakfast to dinner, (Everyday) 음, so nice (Yaow) Three, six, five 하루종일 in your mouth (Ooh) 마카로니 마라톤임 마카롱이 아니라고 인마 (Ooh) 음 it’s cheesy 얼른 come and taste it (Yum-yum) I just want it hot but don’t make my body (Hot) 자꾸 따라 오지마 do you want me to call a taxi? (Taxi!) Young and P No car but it’s racing Outro / breakdown: Shorty like it greasy Shorty, shorty like it cheesy Shorty like it greasy Shorty goes like it’s hot, too 아뜨 hot Shorty like it greasy Shorty, shorty like it cheesy Shorty like it greasy Shorty goes like it’s hot, too 아뜨 hot Hot, too 아뜨 hot
it's incredibly sad about Kpop's continuation to debut incredibly young women. there's probably a gazilliob talented girls 21+ but we all know why they will choose a 13 y/o over the, and it's terrifying. the whole obsession over youth and the praise for being the youngest one in the group is so sick. I feel like my comment will get flagged if we really get deep into what undertones it depicts lol.
Agree, but you gotta look at it business wise. All these companies want longevity from their idols. If they debut a 21+ year old. You’re only gonna get probably 5 to 7 years out of them. Meanwhile if they debut someone younger they can get up to 10+ years. Not at all am I saying debuting 13 year olds is good, I’m against that but just seeing it from a different way. But you are right
the aesthetics and concept seem so nice and attractive, they couldve ACTUALLY been something. but ig this is another example of these fox companies choosing controversy over a normal way to grow in popularity. poor girls
dsp knew what they were doing, they made this girls grab as much attention as possible to get us to talk. theres no way this wack ass song was green light just like that, theres no way a 13 year old was picked for this project. ignore them.
when i saw the name of the song i already thought that it wouldnt be nice 😭😭 kpop songs with foods as a name never end up well (milkshake, hot sauce, cookie, ice cream…)
@@snsjsjs-lk2hzuhh ice cream is 100% not about ice cream. “Come a little closer 'cause you looking thirsty. I'ma make it better, sip it like a Slurpee” “You could take a lick but it's too cold to bite me” Whether is talking to food or not, it’s definitely explicit and can be taken a variety of ways. It’s why I was so uncomfy when ice cream was being performed on girls planet and mtg and hot sauce on mtg as well by the group that was literally 11-15 (not joking or exaggerating it was the two youngest grades).
@@kohammy”Look so good yeah, look so sweet (hey) Lookin' good enough to eat Coldest with the kiss, so he call me ice cream Catch me in the fridge, right where the ice be Look so good yeah, look so sweet (hey) Baby, you deserve a treat Diamonds on my wrist, so he call me ice cream You could double dip 'cause I know you like me” As if they girls aren’t trying to refer to themselves as the ice cream with all the I, me, and you’s but disguised well enough to pass as kid friendly bc even I didn’t noticed it for quite a while until I saw the commotion about it.
I actually liked cookie by newjeans but I hate that the song is sung by them. I'm not even going to bother to listen to mac & cheese or lasagna or ravioli or whatever this mess is but I will say that the thing that always amuses me is people embrace literalism in music when it's convenient. Unless you're a very small child or amelia bedelia you would know that they're not actually talking about food. This is something that they used to do with French pop idols a lot (the inspiration for east asian idols) when France Gall was asked to sing les sucettes a song a sucking & licking lollipops when she was freshly 18 and didn't even know what the song meant & Lio preformed the infamous "Banana Split" at 16, which was a metaphor for giving uh... "head." And mind you, grown men wrote these songs for them smh!
kpop companies don't actually care that they're debuting minors, they know regardless of how much kpop stans point out what's wrong about debuting minors, they'll still stream, support, and buy their content.
@@Cyphon lol double standards. just because they debuted under HYBE and they were marketed all over, you start stanning them then ride on a hate train for a nugu group LOL COOKIE IS NOT EVEN HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT WITH ALL THE INNUENDOS. CALL THEM ALL OUT
@@Rina-nr5ek im not hating on Young Posse though? Personally I think this song is also decent if not my preferable style so I choose to just ignore the innuendos rather than complaining about it like everyone else lol
Everyone hates this problem, but then they support these groups, follow them, listen to their songs, etc. Look at NewJeans, they are so popular and successful, companies don't care about controversies when they make money and support. The only solution for this is the Boycott. How they have normalized NewJeans it’s wild tbh. I loved Young Posse song, debut, concept, etc, but when I found out that they were minors 💀
the first i heard of young posse was the youngest member in a "youngest female idols" tiktok video and a day later i saw someone laughing at the lyrics being suggestive and all of the comments laughing too and i was just like??? is there not a 13 year old in this group?? hearing that almost all the other members are also minors makes it 10x weirder..
Nonononno but listen, people are saying that it does NOT have sexual induencesasdhajs (whatever it's called), but they literally sing, "Drop it on my body, all that cheddar cheese right here (Right here)", and if you write young posse in hangul it's 영파씨, which is actually not pronounced posse, but passy... so.. it definitely sounds like "young, p*ssy".. Absolutely weird...
@@Xxe1i4nxX I see, but that's weird, cause it's written "Young passy" 영파씨", but they don't even pronounce it right? Then it should be written differently.
and the fact that girls r reallyyy talented, one of the best rap lines rn. it is even lowkey sad cuz i am really hooked for the song, talent, concept BUT i still cant even try to listen to it as much as i want to… its just not it. i am disgusted even by the thought of them being minors and singing that they should have debuted when they r older
no you're right, it's not really a coincidence if it's happening this often and these companies should avoid making minors sing abt food or romance at this point
those XG sons are starting to piss me off, especially when they also fall into the trend of debuting newborns. we need some real quirky gg with grown women, without any black wannabe rappers PLEASE
the first thing i thought about when i saw the title (macaroni and cheese) and their group name (young posse) was the meme of the guy stiring a pot of macaroni and cheese and saying that;s what good p*ssy sounds like I AM SO SORRY TvT
Cant wait for their CEO, Minnie Jin, to make a statement about how she talked to "numerous english professors" (who, ironically, need their degrees checked because they've never learned context clues)
6:07 personally I don’t think this is the case. There’s this behind the scenes video where the director talks about how it’s his first time working with a kpop group (something like that) and he directed other mvs that have that similar unserious vibe to it (eg the mv BOOM). I do agree with the rest of this video though just wanted to point this out
2 barely legal adults, 1 17 yo, 1 16 yo, is crazy enough but a 7th grader singing an inappropate song? oh hell nah disband allready like 3/5 of them are litearl CHILDREN 💀
thank you, finally a kpop fan with a brain! i agree with everything you said in this video and i'm tired of kpop stans calling others "dramatic" or "you're the dirty one" for being concerned and not okay with this sh*t. i commented a few things you mentioned below their mv a few days ago and i got JUMPED in the comments, people were defending this debut with their whole life umm... i blame all the stupid fans who made new jeans and other groups in their age range one of the top kpop groups of the new gen. ofc companies will try to do the same if they see that groups like new jeans are super successful.
the thing is as a kpop fan that doesn't know everything and isn't online all the time (yeah we excist) i watched the video and didn't know and didn't notice that there were minors cause they dress like 20 year olds or sth it scares me
Watching the video of the director talking about his experience directing the music video and got major ick from all the grown men on set who thought it was OK to have teenagers being sexualized in certain scenes.
A 19 year old should not be living in a dorm with a 13 year old…let alone be in a group. Even though 19 is still young, they’re an adult They have middle school kids grouped with college students, does that make sense ?! It’s weird as heck. And the fact that they say “It’s YOUR young Possee” in one of their song’s intro…😫
Honestly I love the Macaroni single but fr tho what is the need to have a member as young as 13 when you already have members that are 17-19. Like how young was she when she became a trainee sheesh
as soon as i saw the commercial esque teasers for the group i was seated! but just like you i saw them perform at that festival or whatever and my interest for the group left (i didn’t know they were gonna be a hiphop group). then i found out their ages and i was done 😧
smth so twisted about the fact that DSP has and still continues to have a SUPER young girls debut (at all!!) with young women who are 19 or older. Kara (Jiyoung joined a year later but still) - Gyuri was 20 and Jiyoung was 14 at the time she joined April - Somin & Chaekhyun were 19 and Jinsoul was 13/14 Now these girls. Like what in the actual (just searched Puretty and tell me why once again eldest was 18 and youngest was 14??? wtf)
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no matter how common it is in kpop i will never get over how young 13 years old is... like that is a toddler and we need to get them away from the cameras!!!
right! and they prey on the fact that they have a lot of young fans who think that 13 is not a whole child bc they're also 13. when i think back to me being 13 i'm more aware of how much of an actual baby i was. her mother is so triffling, i'm sorry lol
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@@duetforherbivoresright? I mean I always kinda knew 13 was too much but I became a kpop fan at 15 and my first three groups were all adults: bts, Blackpink, and idle. I also stanned txt but it was before they even had a name or identities revealed. So when I found out Nct maknaes were still 16 I was so shocked but I wanted to stan. Then came izone and I was even more shocked to find they were YOUNGER than me. I was like im baby but why are yujin and wony younger than me and why is a 14 year old debuting? But no one overreacted so I took it as normal.
@@SweetforSthe only reason people didn’t over react back then was because some of their fave idols (depending on the time of that groups debut) debuted as minors. I mean out of all the post IZ*ONE debuted minors barely had any involvement at any concept or songs that sexualised them before becoming a legal adult (Korea it is 19 which for the context of Kpop I’ll use) like since at the time of their debut, Nayeon was the only adult in Twice (if I used international which I am not then it would only be the Maknae line who were underage) and some of the moves in like ooh ahh could count as sexualisation for those under Korea’s legal adult limit but we also had Tzuyu being sexualised in other ways to which obviously caused backlash since she was 16/17 throughout those 2 years or so she was sexualised. But thing is you had groups with members being all minors and not having a sexy concept (as I mentioned I’ll go by Korea’s legal age system) like SNSD and then you also have groups that had minors at debut like Loona that effectively avoided having a sexy concept with minors being present. The fact that the newer fans of kpop (mainly being Gen Z and Alpha) are more vocal on rights and how people should be portrayed in media like this shows that we are more protective of those
at a younger, relative and older age like personally if you debut a minor and they are still a minor when you have a sexualised concept, that’s a no no but if it’s a concept suitable for minors and if the group doesn’t get overworked then I’d say it’s fine for minors to debut as long as they make good decisions too but I agree with the part about no one batting an eye at the ages of the Yujin and Wonyoung during produce and their debut in Iz*one like ever since then, none of mnets other survival shows had contestants this young I’m pretty sure so yeah! I agree with you mainly on that!
Nah I'm sorry but It's so freaking wild how the industry puts minors in every song with innuendos. If you wanna do some weird/erotic food metaphoric nickelodeon typa shit hire a group full of adults.
It was so uncomfortable to watch: all the lines about popping it like cheese, all my body under cream, eat it, eat me and whatever else it says (I'm not listening to the song again, 1 time is ENOUGH) it all felt so... ahem... Like can we stop hiring minors and making them have sexy concepts? ALSO WHAT THE F IS THAT NAME
posse is literally another word for "group".. i get that the concept of their debut is EXTREMELY inappropriate (easily cookie 2.0, this is just another level of gross) but saying young posse means.. THAT, is a bit of a stretch, i think. otherwise, i 100% understand the discomfort and disgust with their concept.
You realize Nickelodeon is a KIDS network lol wtf
@@Callisto_52Hz am i missing something? is posse not an english word? like ik it’s not originally english but it exists in english
@@donovanberes feet
@@donovanberes When I mention Nickelodeon I refer to all the fetish and weird stuff included by Dan Schneider in the shows (such as innuendos and too many feet overall) and how all the actors and actresses who portraied them were minors. The shows all were so quirky and colorful but had many weird/uncomfortable moments, it reminded me of how this song ''Macaroni Cheese'' kind of masks all the innaproppriate aspects of the lyrics with a childish background and catchy quirky beats
the fact that following debut trends, next year we’ll be getting a 2010 born in a group... 🥴
someone needs to be protecting these kids it’s tragic /gen
oh....thats not....
@@oli-iq1yx I think there already is 😭
Stop!!! Nooooooo
Kaylee is a 2010 i think
It's crazy how so many people just collectively ignore how wild Cookie actually was. I lowkey forgot it myself 😭
I literally forgot that song existed 💀
When I first heard it I thought "this sounds dope people will like it" then weeks later people were hating it lol I was completely out the loop
@@TheJrockfreak Im curious... When you heard the song, what did you think it was about? 🤔
@@allelitememesaem3916 i just thought it was a dope sounding hip hop style Kpop song. I honestly didn't think much more than that. Granted I can be pretty surface level when it comes to songs.
@@TheJrockfreak same, i genuinely thought it was like a fan fav until i actually looked up why it was getting hate 😭
You're so right about the "fun kind of kpop is back" opinion. Like it can be fun, cool, quirky and APPROPRIATE (orange caramel vibes) instead of having wierd lyrics that sound suspiciously inappropriate. This is a BIG issue with when it's a song given to a group with MINORS in it but if it's all adults, i wouldn't mind at all.
journalism is back
if everyone stopped supporting groups with literal children in them, this would end. But they get the most support and attention
mentally, physically, emotionally, i was so immature in many ways when i was 13. being a k-pop idol takes a lot of stress and responsibility on top of school, family and whatever else a 13 year old could be dealing with. imo the cutoff should be 18 like most jobs are.
And people were defending these lyrics on twitter, for some reason k-pop stans NEVER choose the right side, they judge fifity fifity girls for defending themselves from their company but they defend things like cookie and macaroni cheese lyrics , Girl I can't!
Never. Why are Kpop fans defending a CEO or a company over a Kpop idol. How many times in the entertainment industry have we seen those in higher positions abuse their power to exploit those in lower positions.
Notice how in both of these examples the stance taken is firmly positioned in the side that doesn’t have the girls’ best interest in mind.
Fifty Fifty wasn't a great example considering it's super messy and complicated and it's still ongoing with more evidence being added... Besides that, I do agree that no one should be defending these lyrics or the choice to debut minors.
@@ThemedNumber02 that part
@@ThemedNumber02if it was a boy group like omega x or got7 EVERYONE would be on the side of the boys. It’s just the sexism rearing its ugly head again.
Can't take the name "young posse" seriously
Fr 😭
THE SONG POSSE UP SENT ME INTO ORBIT 😭 BUT IT SOUNDS SO WEIRD REGARDING THE LYRICS
JUST FOUND OUT THAT POSSE MEANS GROUP OF FRIENDS 😭
But posse means like gang and group tho 🤔
Itd be a lot easier to list whats not the problem with this release like you even got a 13 year old doing this instead of many talented undebuted adults?!? Ppl been saying members wrote it as if that makes it better, like was there any lyrical supervision too? All that for the debut to not even be good like its fromis_9's FUN! with none of the fun and rapping of XG and CRAXY without the flow or interesting things.
the mv honestly looked like a magic school bus field trip which the lyrical content should match! but i think making a concept based around food, especially mac and cheese is just a bad idea from the start like idk unfortunately we cannot all be candy jelly love
Especially when your name is “posse” and you pronounce it so… oddly
@@SweetforS they don't pronounce it oddly... You're reaching.
@@divx1001 they do. Anyone with ears can hear it.
@@SweetforSI know it sounds odd but it means Group.
3:28 what is GOING AWN?????? these lyric channels be pulling out translations out of their a$$......the way i started choking like an asthmatic
your takes are very refreshing. i feel like in the whole kpop community people are so ignorant to these kinda of issues that you can practically never explore nuances and smaller details of intention since nobody will ever hear you out. even if you have indismissable evidence nobody will believe you half the time. i’m really scared for all the young idols in general. can’t imagine what it’s like behind the scenes. like with something like this that means the creator director(s) had to sit down and discuss all of this and continually thought it was okay? the fuck?
Cause kpop Stan are some of the dumbest mfs on earth 😭 someone says “I’m scared for the well being of a child in an exploitative industry” they hear “fuck them kids” it’s no reasoning with these fuckass people 🫠
I share this experience as well. To the point where I’m under the conspiracy that any takes relating to this topic are being supressed.
Whenever I identify the negative consequences that come from debuting underage… or point out current examples of how underage idols are being exploited, there’s always this dismissive attitude in response. I don’t know why it’s taken me so long but I now realize fans really don’t care about their idols the way they say they do.
@@ThemedNumber02The suppression is almost everywhere. It shouldn't even be considered a conspiracy.
the way people were trying to defend the lyrics of the song 😭😭😭 like mhj isnt here to indoctrinate you anymore you dont have to deny that these companies are being creepy as hell
“ITS ABOUT A MUKBANG AND THEIR LOVE FOR MACARONI CHEESE !!! 🤬🥺🥺”
Around the same day, a lesser known group, 'Qwer', debuted with their jpop/ jrock themed track 'Discord'. I watched it right after this and it was refreshing.
YESSS
I honestly love them now! And we need more kband consisting of women and I'm happy to found one.
@@nicatineI highly recommend Rolling Quartz. Especially their song covers since they're so good
@@cranburrey Thank you, I've subbed. I pretty much listen/stan to any groups or band lol.
another question i dont think we ask enough - where are these children’s parents????
Britney spear/Jeanette mccurdy effect
they are cheering them on
the parents are probably supporting this too, they don't care if their child are ok, they just want to use the money that the company gives to them
The parents have no power if the company exploits their children since they already signed the contact and the children are in the companies care
@@vampspv-ud7dw exactly, they don't care as long as they are getting money.
i knew as soon as i saw " macaroni cheese " it would be like cookie. companies give MINORS such sexual songs then with adults they get treated like kids??? i never thought i would see another company giving more minors a cookie type song. atp im not surprised but this is just down right disgusting..
Tbh I didn’t see anything wrong with the song until people started talking about it being sexual. The mv was very straightforward on the food being the focus. But Now that I go over the lyrics especially the English parts, it could’ve been written differently. I know Sunhye, the member who wrote the song was legit just about food but the other writers most likely changed it. Also knowing that Sunhye doesn’t know English kinda makes more sense as to why these lyrics sounded that way
Y’all let cookie slide so here we are
Bingo.
oh the lyrics are absolutely crazy dsp should go bankrupt from the conception of this alone
apparently the leader of the group wrote the song about a food poster so maybe she wasn't aware of the connotations? idrk tho
maybe but there were adults involved throughout this entire process and not one of them thought there was something wrong?
@@perhappuls yh it is a shame the adults didn't catch the innuendos. tbf, i didn't see any innuendos until someone explained it to me but then again, i didn't get the innuendos in cookie until a few reads of the lyrics
@@izyapswellno either they twisted her words or she knew it bc you don’t write about saying cream on your body “hotly” when it’s about food.
@@SweetforS a 19 year old is perfectly capable of writing a sex song. Guys, what's with this babying? I hate the fact that they made a 13 year old sing this song BUT let's not pretend that a 19 year old is some kind of a nun that doesn't know what sex is or what innuendos are. I'm sure the girl wrote it about food but those innuendos are there for a reason.
i’ve already seen people defend it by saying “grown women wrote these lyrics” …and the “grown women” in question are these NINETEEN year olds?????
It’s weird people are defending it with that because why are grown women giving these lyrics to little kids!!! People are so gross like how will you ignore minors being sexualised so you don’t feel bad about listening to a song it is so icky
right like💀💀 just bc they 19 don't mean that they all of a sudden are grown adults with fully developed brains, they still in they teens. its still creepy ash considering they're barely adults; i wonder what typa sick brainwashing these grown men (staff) did to them since they were young and what kinda sick parents sign their 13 year old's (prolly younger bc of the training time) life away to sickos
@@16kma this was really weird
ngl these defenders sounds like predators trying to justify themselves
@@16kma alright imma disagree with that part as i was 19 myself recently; you're very much developed and capable adult at that age. 'teen' is only in name, and it's not even a universal word either, koreans for example don't have a concept of a 'teenager' in their language (only adolescents). 19 is grown both biologically and legally, these two should've thought about the younger girls who don't have adult rights and responsibilities yet
there's absolutely no excusing the lyrics and justifying it w "they wrote it themselves" sure..... I'm sure they weren't influenced into it. "shorty likes it greasy" like there's no "ethnostate" excuse there's no "for the fans" excuse. this and cookie gonna be playing reverb and slowed in hell
Kpop companies try not to debut minors challenge ! (INSANE DIFFICULTY 🤯‼️😱)
we NEED to start boycotting groups with minors, this is going to keep happening as long as it's profitable
I absolutely, a thousand percent agree. After Newjeans I don’t believe any other group with minors should be able to achieve the level of fame they have.
boycotting them wont do shit other than hurt the artists themselves lol
@@ThemedNumber02 why not? NewJeans is hella talented and im sure there are other groups like that
@@Cyphon that isn’t true
@@cutiestcat19 what isnt?
the moment i had seen the groups name, my eyebrow instantly raised. as for the mv+song, i get it, it can be seen as quirky, cute and fun but making the concept around food isn't necessarily the best idea!...plus the youngest member is 13 like erm...
Posse means a group btw
@@CrazyTreYerstill sounds like shit. they could've called them anything exept young posse
@@CrazyTreYer there is a reason why a group that was supposed to be called blit changed their name, even though blit itself doesn't mean anything weird. same goes for this group's name
@@womenwantmefishfearmeexcept blit doesn't actually mean anything, posse does
@@kohammylisten to posse up tell me how they said it and literally scream their name
the fact that their name is pronounced "yeong passi" is already so weird like its giving blit 2.0
Edit: yall ik posse means crew but considering how mac n cheese is literal innuendo for.....let's not give these whack adults the benefit of the doubt
oh my god??
wait... 💀
but who's pronouncing pussy as passy
YEONG PASSI??? ABSOLUTELY NOT 💀💀
have you guys never heard of the word posse im confused
What happened with DSP? Is this the same company that debuted KARA, Rainbown and April? Their groups were fabulous and had a great discography (especially KARA).
But them debuting a 13 year old girl is not a surprise, Kara's Jiyeon debuted at 14 and April's Jinsol debuted at 13 as well
do u mean kard
@@flowerlucy nah they had kara & kard
@@izyapswell OHH SO LIKE BOTH?
I blame 90% of the April and hyunjoo controversy on DSP as well…
@@liangchuzhangoohh we all do honey but we still need that wench on JAIL
The way people were saying ppl are just being dirty minded can you read can you read babes words can't be dirty minded they have intention
i don’t understand why people are sexualizing the group name tho?? posse literally means a group of friends yall are weird for even thinking its supposed to sound like young p*ssy??
The pronunciation is young "pasi" and yes it's weird as someone who's not a native speaker
As far as the MV's visuals go, I believe most of it was farmed out to a US director and crew. He did post-production of planning the shots, the on sight directing, and visual effects afterwards. I saw a video with the director, and he really didn't give the impression that he was trying to film something provocative in a sexual sense. He got a working track of the song, thought it was different/cool sounding, knew it was about Mac & Cheese, so he and his visual crew went to town on making something crazy. I believe the company reached out to him because they knew he was a person who did strange visuals. So making microwave sets and a cheese tunnel was what they wanted, to his surprise. He seemed fully unaware that K-Pop loves crazy visuals, so him suggesting transitions of falling out of air planes, floating in huge bowls, and flying vending machines was just what the company wanted. So I think in terms of the directing side, he just wanted to make something really cool.
He also was nothing but amazed and overflowing with praise for the shooting crew, all the girl's staffers, and the girls themselves. The one thing I got the impression he wasn't a fan of was the crazy work schedule which was a 22 hour shoot...nonstop. So it was from 7am one day all they to 5am the next. I doubt he knew the ages because as an American that would kinda be upsetting to know you're asking a 13 year old to reshoot intense dance choreo at 3am in the morning, you know? Since the guy seemed down to earth, I have to think he was in the dark on a lot of things. At least that's how it came off to me. He did praise not only staff for keeping the energy up, but the girls themselves. He said they were excited about every aspect of the shoot (given it's their first MV) so they gave it their all. She also thought they were very professional for being so inexperienced and he admired that.
So yeah, novel aside, I just thought I'd point out that I think the foreign director and his crew probably had no idea about the ages, and probably weren't looking for sexual lyrics either. He just seemed in awe of Korea, the work ethic, the talent the crew/girls had, and the country itself. I can tell he didn't feel weirded out and really enjoyed the experience. Since he was one of two people on set who spoke english, he said he communicated to the girls through pantomime, and built a chemistry off of that because they thought it was fun and he thought they were cute. I get the impression that he'd rather work in Korea than here, judging by the video I saw, lol. I guess things are just ran better there in his experience, other than the crunch hours.
unrelated but it drives me insane how the song sounds like teach me how to dougie. 3 secs into the chorus and i had whiplash like
The first line of the release and the pronounciation of the group's name was the moment I went "Oh fuck no"
YES SAME I WANTED TO PUKE
@S4TURN_officiallisten to posse up and tell me you don’t hear it. They don’t pronounce it in the way the Hangul says which is “pawssshhi” they says “puhseeee” and there’s like a slight vowel intonation diff between that and the other word like please don’t be deaf here
Also posse means group of friends lmao but the way how they said it in posse up i was SHOCKED
@@imfam0use yeah makes you question everything 10x more
@@SweetforS did you ever start to consider that maybe that’s because it’s an English word and these people are… Korean and speak Korean as a first language yes the debut was inappropriate but these girls are going to have an accent, and pronounce English words differently, because they don’t speak English as a native language. And a word like that, can easily be miss pronounced like the other word.
I swear this is my conspiracy theorist moment...if you listen to the first track of their mini there is NO WAY that the girls are not just shouting "YOUNG PUSSY". And the styling of the youngest girls is SO inappropriate - the bimbofication of the 13 yr old? I'm calling the police.
Wait wait where? Where was the bimbo? Genuinely curious bc I don’t doubt it I hate that they gave her mini skirts to dance with on stage when she’s literally 13. What ever happened to pants?
Nah, it sounds like Posse. Go check out the pronunciation or something
another case catcher of the infamous "all my bad unnies, all my h**d unnies"
#chuueviltwinsister
why did you censor hood
i am 29 and have NO interest listening to 13 year olds!! Why do companies think all kpop stans want to relate to toddlers? I relate to Irene much more...
Right? I’m 20 and feel so uncomfortable about this and had just turned 19 last year when cookie was released. For nj, I didn’t mind their ages as much as the way the song turned out. I believe it’s somewhat acceptable to debut a group of teens IF and only if the concept is completely child friendly and good for the members. And never is 13 ok either. So putting both 13/14 AND a flirtatious concept like this together? No no no no
i miss when the youngest was 1994 💔
@@angelic4mimi I miss when the youngest was 97 (mid 3rd gen) and 02
Most K-pop stans these days are kids so that’s probably why
@@Dawnvvz doesn’t mean they should debut kids… and then make it a sexual concept too. Two wrongs do not make a right. Either debut adults with a mature concept or debut kids with a kid friendly concept to appeal to the younger generation
Bro it doesnt matter even if the 13 year old wrote the entire thing. 13 year olds dont know what theyre saying
A 13 knows about sexual jokes and innuendos (at least I did and I was 13, 3 years ago)
The problem is broadcasting what a 13 yr say to the entire world because a 13 yr knows what the jokes mean but they don’t the ramifications of a bunch of adults interacting with that will have. It’s also sending a message of “they wanted it” yes the child has a mind and agency of their own but they don’t have one like an adult and showcasing this song as one they wrote themselves is taking responsibility of the adults who should be protecting and them adults who are desperate for any excuse to prove they’re not weird for enjoying this stuff
@@vivennecapri that's what I meant without elaborating really. a 13 year old can grasp the idea of sexual innuendos, maybe string a few lines together, but in no way can grasp how much their words will follow them for the rest of their lives or the kinds of people that listen to those words, basically the depth behind it all. Like a 5 year old not really understanding the weight behind the worlds 'I hate you' and then realizing at 30 how painful that would have been to your parents.
Honestly, macaroni cheese is weird for a debut. It could've been something they should save for the last 😭😭
Maybe DSP really thinks they won’t stick around for long so they gave them the most controversial concept first to draw some buzz while they still can
@@jadenalan6654 I feel like their debut is doomed to fail from the very start. It could've started out with something more similar to "Fire" by 2NE1 (I'm also seeing people saying they're similar to 2ne1 like WHERE?? Lmao).
Ok so I didn't know what the lyrics mean, and I really liked the weird concept and the beat, but now idk how to feel about how kinda sexual it is 😭💀
I love the song personally as a title track. It's catchy and funny at the same time at least to me lol
@@nicatine glad to know u weirdos were wrong, ya'll need a mental evaluation after this weird ass thought processes
that was the most dystopian music video i’ve ever witnessed in real time oh my god.
like someone needs to be put in jail SERIOUSLY 🫠
anyone with half a brain in the west knows the connotation between macaroni cheese and what [redacted] sounds like, its literally in the lyrics to one of the most controversial and viral songs to drop in the last 5 years at least. to have minors singing about "macaroni cheese", in a group with a name pronounced like that no less, is crazy. it's getting very weird, shut it down.
Let’s not forget that Mac and cheese is a metaphor towards wet 🐱.
"음, it's cheesy, 얼른 come and taste it (Yum-yum)
I just want it hot but don't make my body (Hot)" wth...?
whaat..? 😃did i read that right?
Here are some official lyrics. Also, they kinda make their voices kinda sound like calm Bibi (K-Hiphop)
2nd verse:
Put it in a freezer, ooh, ice
Breakfast to dinner, (Everyday) 음, so nice (Yaow)
Three, six, five 하루종일 in your mouth (Ooh)
마카로니 마라톤임 마카롱이 아니라고 인마 (Ooh)
음 it’s cheesy 얼른 come and taste it (Yum-yum)
I just want it hot but don’t make my body (Hot)
자꾸 따라 오지마 do you want me to call a taxi? (Taxi!)
Young and P
No car but it’s racing
Outro / breakdown:
Shorty like it greasy
Shorty, shorty like it cheesy
Shorty like it greasy
Shorty goes like it’s hot, too 아뜨 hot
Shorty like it greasy
Shorty, shorty like it cheesy
Shorty like it greasy
Shorty goes like it’s hot, too 아뜨 hot
Hot, too 아뜨 hot
@@iliveinatrashcan7039 literally insane lyrics
there's a group debuting with a name that's like "catch the young" or something idek. basically describes the industry. stop debuting minors
it's incredibly sad about Kpop's continuation to debut incredibly young women. there's probably a gazilliob talented girls 21+ but we all know why they will choose a 13 y/o over the, and it's terrifying. the whole obsession over youth and the praise for being the youngest one in the group is so sick. I feel like my comment will get flagged if we really get deep into what undertones it depicts lol.
Agree, but you gotta look at it business wise. All these companies want longevity from their idols. If they debut a 21+ year old. You’re only gonna get probably 5 to 7 years out of them. Meanwhile if they debut someone younger they can get up to 10+ years. Not at all am I saying debuting 13 year olds is good, I’m against that but just seeing it from a different way. But you are right
the aesthetics and concept seem so nice and attractive, they couldve ACTUALLY been something. but ig this is another example of these fox companies choosing controversy over a normal way to grow in popularity. poor girls
Poor girl’s….imagine being mostly minors and being sexualized like this…….
The 16 year old is actually 15. Her bday is in December.
Aww I loved their debut song! I’m rooting for them
The way y‘all say „I actually liked it“ I DONT GAF THEY SHOULDNT EXIST , THE AGES , THE NAME , THE MEANING
HELLLLOOO????
we'll see what the rest of their songs will be
as soo as they said drop it on my body i knew something was odd coz you dont have to drop it on your body to enjoy the dish like??
They should have given this song to another group
dsp knew what they were doing, they made this girls grab as much attention as possible to get us to talk. theres no way this wack ass song was green light just like that, theres no way a 13 year old was picked for this project. ignore them.
thanks for addressing this!!! I am soooo uncomfortable with the debut 💀💀💀
when i saw the name of the song i already thought that it wouldnt be nice 😭😭
kpop songs with foods as a name never end up well (milkshake, hot sauce, cookie, ice cream…)
what was wrong g with ice cream. They were alla dys when that song released.
@@snsjsjs-lk2hzi think they just mean that most food-related kpop songs are heavy on innuendo
Im so glad I wasn’t the only who was instantly taken aback when I saw it
@@snsjsjs-lk2hzuhh ice cream is 100% not about ice cream. “Come a little closer 'cause you looking thirsty. I'ma make it better, sip it like a Slurpee” “You could take a lick but it's too cold to bite me”
Whether is talking to food or not, it’s definitely explicit and can be taken a variety of ways. It’s why I was so uncomfy when ice cream was being performed on girls planet and mtg and hot sauce on mtg as well by the group that was literally 11-15 (not joking or exaggerating it was the two youngest grades).
@@kohammy”Look so good yeah, look so sweet (hey)
Lookin' good enough to eat
Coldest with the kiss, so he call me ice cream
Catch me in the fridge, right where the ice be
Look so good yeah, look so sweet (hey)
Baby, you deserve a treat
Diamonds on my wrist, so he call me ice cream
You could double dip 'cause I know you like me”
As if they girls aren’t trying to refer to themselves as the ice cream with all the I, me, and you’s but disguised well enough to pass as kid friendly bc even I didn’t noticed it for quite a while until I saw the commotion about it.
I actually liked cookie by newjeans but I hate that the song is sung by them. I'm not even going to bother to listen to mac & cheese or lasagna or ravioli or whatever this mess is but I will say that the thing that always amuses me is people embrace literalism in music when it's convenient. Unless you're a very small child or amelia bedelia you would know that they're not actually talking about food. This is something that they used to do with French pop idols a lot (the inspiration for east asian idols) when France Gall was asked to sing les sucettes a song a sucking & licking lollipops when she was freshly 18 and didn't even know what the song meant & Lio preformed the infamous "Banana Split" at 16, which was a metaphor for giving uh... "head." And mind you, grown men wrote these songs for them smh!
kpop companies don't actually care that they're debuting minors, they know regardless of how much kpop stans point out what's wrong about debuting minors, they'll still stream, support, and buy their content.
Im glad u talked abt this
been waiting for u to talk about this mother
Their concept is very gross btw
I blame the existence of this group & this song on y’all for hyping up New Jeans & Cookie 😒😒😒
NewJeans deserves the hype tho
@@Cyphon lol double standards. just because they debuted under HYBE and they were marketed all over, you start stanning them then ride on a hate train for a nugu group LOL COOKIE IS NOT EVEN HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT WITH ALL THE INNUENDOS. CALL THEM ALL OUT
@@Rina-nr5ek im not hating on Young Posse though? Personally I think this song is also decent if not my preferable style so I choose to just ignore the innuendos rather than complaining about it like everyone else lol
I saw something about the macaroni concept on tiktok and was like sure I’ll tune in… genuinely the worst decision I ever made
They seriously rolled out with a caVE MADE OUT OF CHEESE I CANNOT.
I can’t take the name seriously I’m sorry young posse???
posse is a normal word, but they literally pronounce it as 'pussy' in their song posse up
and xg ain't even this bad like im sorry
was waiting for this one
Everyone hates this problem, but then they support these groups, follow them, listen to their songs, etc. Look at NewJeans, they are so popular and successful, companies don't care about controversies when they make money and support. The only solution for this is the Boycott. How they have normalized NewJeans it’s wild tbh. I loved Young Posse song, debut, concept, etc, but when I found out that they were minors 💀
Honestly even the members were all over 18 the lyrics are still inappropriate.
a korean songwriter commented on this and said its 100% on purpose and they exploit minors. forgot her name ll come back to this if i find it
the first i heard of young posse was the youngest member in a "youngest female idols" tiktok video and a day later i saw someone laughing at the lyrics being suggestive and all of the comments laughing too and i was just like??? is there not a 13 year old in this group?? hearing that almost all the other members are also minors makes it 10x weirder..
Great, so the companies are learning to be sneaky after the NWJNS controversy just last year. Great.
Waiting for the stampede of weirdos to defend this in your comments…………………
Nonononno but listen, people are saying that it does NOT have sexual induencesasdhajs (whatever it's called), but they literally sing, "Drop it on my body, all that cheddar cheese right here (Right here)", and if you write young posse in hangul it's 영파씨, which is actually not pronounced posse, but passy... so.. it definitely sounds like "young, p*ssy".. Absolutely weird...
I KNEW THE NAME WAS WEIRD😭😭
They actually say youngpa i think
@@Xxe1i4nxX I see, but that's weird, cause it's written "Young passy" 영파씨", but they don't even pronounce it right? Then it should be written differently.
Your video made me realise i should really began to read the translated lyric because i really tought it was about their love of macaroni cheese 💀
I honestly only knew the group because their debut song sounds like a Brazilian meme song called "sopa de macaco" 🫠
Idgf bout the lyrics, but i cant take seriously any drill song (1st song in the ep) with a korean 13 yo on it
and the fact that girls r reallyyy talented, one of the best rap lines rn. it is even lowkey sad cuz i am really hooked for the song, talent, concept BUT i still cant even try to listen to it as much as i want to… its just not it. i am disgusted even by the thought of them being minors and singing that
they should have debuted when they r older
they wrote the lyrics like the nasty lyrics
The group is so weird
It's gross
don’t blame the group .. blame the company for approving it ..
Like newjeans with cookie no ??
@@Iavcxoxo I'm not blaming them tho
I just don't like the group
But it's weird that they wrote it
as much as i think is werid too, i really dont think they were trying to sexualize themselves but rather talk about food but yeah its werid either way
@@Iavcxoxo literally no one is blaming the group
Lol looking at these comments guess im the only one playing the song on repeat daily lol.
Same lmao-
OMG YOU BEEN FEEDING USSSSS! LIKE CMON MAMA!
I’ve been looking up key words to see if anybody has really been talking about this but to my dismay it’s been pretty quiet
nabi core made a video about their questionable debut
Poor girls dude , they gonna be traumatized
true but yp hits so hard so
no you're right, it's not really a coincidence if it's happening this often and these companies should avoid making minors sing abt food or romance at this point
those XG sons are starting to piss me off, especially when they also fall into the trend of debuting newborns. we need some real quirky gg with grown women, without any black wannabe rappers PLEASE
ur intro is a vibe
the first thing i thought about when i saw the title (macaroni and cheese) and their group name (young posse) was the meme of the guy stiring a pot of macaroni and cheese and saying that;s what good p*ssy sounds like I AM SO SORRY TvT
Cant wait for their CEO, Minnie Jin, to make a statement about how she talked to "numerous english professors" (who, ironically, need their degrees checked because they've never learned context clues)
6:07 personally I don’t think this is the case. There’s this behind the scenes video where the director talks about how it’s his first time working with a kpop group (something like that) and he directed other mvs that have that similar unserious vibe to it (eg the mv BOOM). I do agree with the rest of this video though just wanted to point this out
2 barely legal adults, 1 17 yo, 1 16 yo, is crazy enough but a 7th grader singing an inappropate song? oh hell nah disband allready like 3/5 of them are litearl CHILDREN 💀
I'm sorry
You say young who?? 😭😭😭😭😭😭
thank you, finally a kpop fan with a brain! i agree with everything you said in this video and i'm tired of kpop stans calling others "dramatic" or "you're the dirty one" for being concerned and not okay with this sh*t. i commented a few things you mentioned below their mv a few days ago and i got JUMPED in the comments, people were defending this debut with their whole life umm... i blame all the stupid fans who made new jeans and other groups in their age range one of the top kpop groups of the new gen. ofc companies will try to do the same if they see that groups like new jeans are super successful.
the thing is as a kpop fan that doesn't know everything and isn't online all the time (yeah we excist) i watched the video and didn't know and didn't notice that there were minors cause they dress like 20 year olds or sth it scares me
im in love with ur editing style
Watching the video of the director talking about his experience directing the music video and got major ick from all the grown men on set who thought it was OK to have teenagers being sexualized in certain scenes.
The song really sounds like it could be NCT 127 Cherry Bomb's sister version!
A 19 year old should not be living in a dorm with a 13 year old…let alone be in a group. Even though 19 is still young, they’re an adult
They have middle school kids grouped with college students, does that make sense ?!
It’s weird as heck.
And the fact that they say “It’s YOUR young Possee” in one of their song’s intro…😫
13 is crazy..
Honestly I love the Macaroni single but fr tho what is the need to have a member as young as 13 when you already have members that are 17-19. Like how young was she when she became a trainee sheesh
as soon as i saw the commercial esque teasers for the group i was seated! but just like you i saw them perform at that festival or whatever and my interest for the group left (i didn’t know they were gonna be a hiphop group). then i found out their ages and i was done 😧
smth so twisted about the fact that DSP has and still continues to have a SUPER young girls debut (at all!!) with young women who are 19 or older.
Kara (Jiyoung joined a year later but still) - Gyuri was 20 and Jiyoung was 14 at the time she joined
April - Somin & Chaekhyun were 19 and Jinsoul was 13/14
Now these girls. Like what in the actual
(just searched Puretty and tell me why once again eldest was 18 and youngest was 14??? wtf)