BOXER: Up Close With The Army's New Fighting Vehicle | Forces TV
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A contract worth £2.8 billion was signed earlier this month to provide the British Army with more than 500 new armoured fighting vehicles. The Boxer is an 8x8 wheeled armoured transport vehicle, designed to move troops on to the frontline. We were given the chance to look at the Boxer up close 👀.
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Dutch Combat Engineer here, we've been using the Boxer for some time now, and though it has it's flaws, it's one amazing piece of technology!
Dutch_Pagan what flaws?
@@UnseenSpirit Not enough space to properly store all of our equipment, and it has a tendency for errors in it's control system
@BritishRepublic Yeah, now imagine 5 engineers with all of their equipment and tools lol
Dutch_Pagan its the biggest APC in the world and still not enough space!
@@TheBooban that's probably because it has a lot of armour.
Amazing vehicle. Shame they may not be able to fill it with troops considering the sign off numbers right now are insane......
Not like canada ehhhh
@@marksmith8732 Just encase you do not know who Matsimus is. He is British but he moved to Canada and serves in the Canadian military with artillery, also I think he was in the British military but I am not sure on that.
@@sebastiandouse he's ex reme
if only theyd use common sense when it comes to the medical. i got medically discharged for having eczema when i was 12. that was over 12 years ago and ive had no issues or flare ups since then...
@Frank Kirkwood well I don't know about the reasons all of them are, but one soldier quit simply because he was rightly furious about being on a poster with 'snowflake' over his head in one of their ridiculous left-pandering adverts they've been churning out recently
Colonial Marines have landed ready to take on the Xenomorphs.
Touche. (smile)
that's Striker in AVPR, not this UK boxer. They'll need to make new AVP sequel if you wanted too see boxer with UK army vs xenoborg & yautja, probaby hire director from the British made doomsday movie since he loves aliens movie so much.
@@jayjay53313 Ok, I was referring to Aliens part 2, nothing to do with AVP. Also it's called "Stryker" not Striker. I've served with a Stryker CAV Squadron in the past.
@@jayjay53313 Sure I will answer this. Race has nothing to do with humanity will act on evil. Being in the service has nothing to do with what country you serve with, it's a job just like any other job and I assumed you have a purpose with your job career. Does that help?
@@jayjay53313 Who said anything about war? I'll give you another metaphor, if a thief robs your house and threaten to harm you and your family, you will not defend to protect your love ones because the threat is the same race as you? Why do you keep bringing up "race bashing"? My original comment is about APC for the movie Aliens?!
The modular concept reminds me of Thunderbird 2. FAB british Army!
I use te be a Boxer ambulace driver for the Dutch army. I always thought of it like the thunderbirds 2 vehicle. As a driver you even have to get in in a very thunderbirds way 😜. You go thru the back, swing feet first into the driversarea, lay flat on the seat, than pull the back of the seat up and electronicly elevate the seat upwards so you can see out the periscopes or window. I alway cue the thunderbirds music in my head when getting in 😂
@@Xzibit338 That's awesome!
Exactly what I was thinking as a boy of the 1960’s 😆and thunderbirds fan. Nothing new under the sun eh ?
Reminds me of the vehicle in aliens.
Spot on...was just thinking that myself.
That was actually an airport aircraft pull/push vehicle :)
Brand new high tech landrover with good old dependale 50 cal on top . . . . . . 300 years from now, i swear they will still be using 50's . . . . and rightly so, damn good piece of kit 😊
Good bit of kit. We ( Australia) have purchased a stack. Boxer beat the Patria in the LAND 400 project. Go UK!
You mainly just purchased a stack of Continental Europe. Good choice.
The modular concept can be seen from two perspectives:
The advantage is not only that any Boxer can now be quickly converted for a specific mission, but also that a roadworthy Boxer will always be available for a specific mission. The engine, the drive train and the chassis simply need to be maintained more frequently than a mission module.
but most important question is-
does it have hot water kettle for tea making?
It damn well should but if it doesn't come with one the boys on the ground will make the appropriate modifications 😊
Our german boxer vehicles have one😊
@@tz6070 Wirklich?!
@@chriswagner5177 Wirklich:) Kann man z.B. bei Wikipedia nachlesen.
T Z german word german word, NEIN!
Those things are just MASSIVE! Never thought I'd see an APC that rivaled the size of an MBT.
well the german Marder ifv was roughly similar in size of an leopard 2. the warrior was 30 cm lower.
Suitable for use on the school run?
You don’t need to worry about the traffic in this, because you’ll be going over the traffic
Atheist Orphan you’re not original or funny
Roberto Oberto arnt you just a ray of sunshine
thediamondshard ok boomer
in Moslem area.
From what I’ve heard the Dutch army is very happy with the Boxer so cool that the brits are also using it now!
We sure are! They're amazing transports and ambulances, I've always admired the British army so I'm happy to see them using the Boxer too! Cheer from the Netherlands!🇳🇱
The one they are showing off here is a Dutch vehicle. At least going by the labels and equipment inside. They put a yellow Boxer label over the license plate :)
Soldier: ...'it's a modular concept...'.
Interviewer: ...'so you can replace that with all kinds of modules'?
me: facepalm.
the interviewer is...not great..
yea this reporter was trying way too hard, needs to calm down with his spirit fingers as well!
Basically what they wanted when they first commissioned the Bradley....
Enter the pentagon wars.
well they did end up getting the stryker not much later which filled up the original plan with the bradley
You do realize that is the BRITISH Army not the US Army, right? The British don't use the Bradley, they use the Warrior or the Spartan APC.
@@swaghauler8334 I think he is commenting that this is similar to what the US field forces actually wanted in an APC. What they got after it filter through the military design pipeline was the Bradley. Which while an amazing and capable vehicle, does not actually serve the role that the boots on the ground needed served to begin with. Ah Military procurement.
@@andrewtaylor940 The Bradley was designed as a direct answer to the Russian BMP. It was designed to go toe-to-toe with BPMs on the battlefield.
A shame we couldn't design something domestically, but this looks like a hell of a vehicle, and it's about time we started modernising our mechanised infantry.
There are some really really good weapon companys in the UK but when it comes to tanks, Rheinmetall is number one. You can't go wrong with it! greetings from GER
As Europe, we should stand together and pool resources. Doing everything yourself is outdated thinking. The alliance has to have the capabilities and the interoperability it needs to be effective. If everyone does their own thing we grow weaker every day. That being said, I think since UK is already in Europe (and probably will stay here for a while), and in NATO, it should also be part of the EU.
@@unlink1649 Not saying they should cut all ties or anything, but the government has allowed British industry to wilt far too much to the point we're overly dependant on others, and as has been proven time and time again, when times get tough countries will look after their own interests first. For example during covid when France blocked essential PPE and then vaccines which where owned by and destined for Britain at the boarder to keep for themselves.
So it's important you can support your own backbone which can then be supplemented by your allies. It also creates much needed jobs, and income for the country.
@@MrEsphoenix the british tank and AFV industry died from 1980 till 2008. the reason was, that basicly only the british ordered from them and only in small numbers.
why didnt anyone else order from the UK?
Because live "excecises" like Iran-Irak War, Invasion of Kuwait etc showed how bad british AFV design was and that scared any potential customer away, wich would go to the german KMW/Rheinmetall Leo1 and Leo2, modernised US M60A3´s and french AMX30B´s or russian T-72´s. The T-72´s and Leo1´s especcially were cheaper and vastly outperformed the british export products.
Saw one of these from the Netherlands army at bovington tank museum. Nice bit of kit!
Aaaaaand most importantly looks like the vehicle from Aliens 2. Totally badass.
A lot better than the old 432..if you were near the door...you was getting 80%...burns....that Boxer looks class...
432 turret gpmg machine gun.
8 soldiers reclining seat for turret command and radio operator gunner.
Tight fit for all not forgetting battle gear for troops.
Boiler on door for food and hot water for cuppa.
Lots of noise unfortunately made for the 70s.
Nonetheless boxer infantry support APC working great and better vehicle.
Quality platform for all senario.
I see it has a back-up camera above the troop ramp. That would've been nice in my bradley fighting vehicle.
Wow cybertruck looks awesome
The wheel design reminds me of the German WW2 Puma.
Well, it's a German tank after all
@@maximilianhellmanns8587 Is it a tank or armored car?
@@antoshq1985 It being an APC doesn't mean it isn't a tank, what it is.
@@antoshq1985 No, I mean tank. Or, more specifically a light wheeled tank, especially designed to be almost on par with the armour of the leopard 2. What you are probably thinking of is a fighting tank.
you can fit the same turret on both vehicles
The thing is massive. Looks amazing :)
It's german.
Yep - poor REME soldiers have to work with it !
It‘s massive. I did not know it was that massive
I love it's modularity.
Essential for British morale first and foremost is it’s capability to make a brew ,then the thickness of the armour 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Great interview, I really got a feel for the role. I like the comparison to what we use now.
*hears its got air conditioning*
Ill get your entire stock
So what does Boxer do now, that it couldn't do 15 years ago when it was rejected by the MOD?
Paul price
@@DrumToTheBassWoop Ah yes, it's 4 times the cost, because the MOD is tired of just setting fire to money in the car park.
The Mod left the project because because it wasn't going to be air portable, they then went for AJAX after the collapse of "fres" trials which is even heavier and late when CV90 was more suitable and in service with several countries!
well, considering all british projects for an IFV and APC have failed so far..... it does everything better than the british competitors, especcially availability.
Ajax is close to scrapping due to major problems with the programm, that seem to be hard to fix.
The FRES (Future Rapid Effect System) of the UK dissolved due to major problems and cost explosions plus major intransparencies. like having 3 competitor vehicle designs, of wich 2 had test vehicles delivered and the third is represented via a predecessor vehicle, because the test vehicle was not out of pre prototype design, the not presend vehicle gets chosen as winner during cpability testing etc.
The same UK company is now part of Rheinmetall now.
They think an infantryman is going to be sitting in the back of that for 2,000km? 😳
They've had to in far smaller and less modern vehicles in the past haven't they
@@1IbramGaunt No. Armies don't typically advance 2000km overnight.
@@geeksqueak7123 wasn't really talking about the specific distance
@@geeksqueak7123 But troops introduced to theater may well have to make a road march of similar distance to get to the fighting.
@@1IbramGaunt not for 2,000 miles!
The wheel layout reminds me of a WW2 German Puma armored car.
Wheels are more resilient to mines than a tracked vehicle.
excellent german equipment!
Dutch and German
That floats like a rock.
The problem with "Modularized" vehicles is nobody ever actually changes the module once it's placed. You don't have a deep pool of spare modules lying around like the Thunderbird 2 hanger. So in almost every case the only time you ever need to be able to swap the module is in the factory. Modularity is a feature that looks good on the spec sheet. But if the mission calls for an ambulance, they just bring an ambulance. They've also tried the Modular concept with aircraft a lot over the years. Same thing. They configure the plane or helicopter once and only once to establish it's desired mission, and never change it again.
Key word you're missing on that spec sheet of yours, Maintenance. The transport/ambulance/ect all use the same parts and mechanics for its drive compartment.
Jack Mountain Well yes. Lots of vehicle use the same chassis and share parts. That’s actually a good design feature. It’s the swappable mission payload element that is over engineering a feature that will likely never get used. And certainly never get used in the field. It’s the sort of thing that sounds sexy on the spec sheets. But it means you’ve got a couple of bolts holding the infantry compartment on, instead of just welding that sucker down for added protection. It’s pointless modularity because the only time anyone will be swapping mission modules will be down at the motor pool when they are seeking to canibalize and MacGuyver three broken down vehicles into one working one. Which they are perfectly capable of doing with non modular vehicles.
@@andrewtaylor940 but the cannibalisation is easier.
But also swapping out modules is relevant to modernisation etc.
in the end, your army should buy enough vehicles to not need to swap modules, but at certain points in time the swapping might be neccesary.
And the lockingbolts are part of the mine resistant design, so not really a weakpoint
Its a beast.
What a beast.
imo the Boxer and the PzH 2000 are the most impressive tanks in the world.
Boxer It's an apc, pzh2000 IT îs a selfpropeled howitzer
@@byzulescku yes of course. But both are huge. Very high and impressive.
K1:. excellent modernization UK.
Oooo! A real human doing a documentary. Very cool mate.
Looks just like a Patria AMV inside and out
Alot of these new wheeled 8x8 looks very similiar, like the Stryker, the boxer, Patria AMV, and the Pirahanna V
only that Boxer can take frontal AP hits from a 30mm in less than 200m in its regular configuration and 14.7mm all round from under 500m.
Its better protected than some tracked ifv´s (warrior for example)
Germany and Netherlands: Boxer is only 2nd line support vehicle because of it's insufficent level of ballistic protection.
UK: Frontline vehicle.
@@komradearti9935 yeah but as replacement for the Wiesel 1 (TOW and MK20) weapon carriers in the heavy companies of the Jäger Battalions.
The interviewers hands are wild
Did it pass the vaporifics test? Kidding aside, being fresh, ready for action after a long drive is important to combat readiness. But seriously, did it pass the vaporifics test?
I hope with all this new kit, the Falkland Islands defence force is not being overlooked. Even if they receive the old Mastiffs etc.
Pal you can barely get landy around what little roads the Falkland have, let alone a Mastiff, theres a literal graveyards of BVs that got bogged in never to see the light of day again. The Falklands will always be a place were light role infantry will triumph.
@@donkehmcdonkey3703 Haglungs at a guess would be ideal.
10 boxer platforms should be given to Falkland islands.
Spartans
Scimitar light recon tanks and take 20 chieftain tanks out of mothballs
One regiment of Paras
Two new battalion's of infantry support
One new marine regiment.
If Argentina got involved with china and Russia.
This would slow down their retaking the Falkland islands
Amazing 3 years ago and we are only starting to produce them now in 2023!
About time our troops got better kit
Great you trust German Engineering 🇬🇧🇩🇪
The _tea room module_ will be very popular with the Brits.
looks a fantastic vehicle. looks far more comfortable for troops than the last gen
Looks like a very good vehicle. Like the modular concept.
This is a state of the art platform has everything that the armed forces need.
Built for all factors of war.
Lethality and manoverability hopefully biological and chemical capabilities.
Would be great if missles could be put on this platform.
On few boxer's Lazer to take down drone's
I know it's money orientated nontheless make boxer as lethal as you can.
the boxer variant skyranger has laser+missiles+big cannon
That thing is massive!
like an eagle off space 1999!
Makes me think of the SPV in Captain Scarlet
في راي هو بناء مناطق صناعات عسكرية وفتح مجال لنقل الخبرات والتجارب والتصميم وفتح بحوث دقيقة للحصول علي مال وانفاق في البنية التحية العسكرية والصناعية والعلمية وفتح تعاون في نقل الخبرات والتكنلوجية والمعرفية بين دول الصديقة
That thing would be hard to miss ;)
yeah but at the same time, it can drive over an anti tank mine and the crew survives unharmed.
It is not designed and intended to face MBT in the field.
And from the front it can resist 30mm cannon fire.
We Germans call it the mothership of the infantry.
A big target with only 6 passenger seats? WTH is with that. The will need two to take a basic squad of infantry anywhere.
Modular design is the thing now days. But with the module design here. You still need to have the modules and bases to put them on. So really the only thing why you'd do this, is that you can buy less bases and more mission modules and then switch out, instead of just buying exmp. 500 apc's and 50 ambulances, you'll buy 500 bases and 550 modules. I don't know if that's the best thing to do though. You can't just switch modules on the fly in the field. And you need other vehicles to carry the modules. x'D
@Eddie Weston Hi Eddie, are you being paid to post this? You've left the same comment all over this thread.
Hoping they would change the .50 with a gun of a higher caliber.
I don't think the reporter had sugar on his cornflakes that morning 🤔
Should have been called , Thunderbird 2😂😂😂🙏🙏👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
Should put seats on the top to haul more troops. The guys on top can shoot it out with enemy RPG crews.
Very futuristic
smacks of thunderbirds pods interchangeable ability,back to wheeled drive ,a throwback to the saracen , which was light years ahead of its time,good to see the british army getting the correct equipment for a change ,too many people have had input to ideas ,and what ends up being a camel, isnt what the customer wanted ,they wanted a horse(old saying is a camel is a horse designed by a committee)
Boxer- only vehicle to have working AC in the British Army...for now
not sure how practical modular design is. It's not going to come with multiple modules and you're not going to take modules without the rest of the vehicle so what's the point? The only advantage would be if the vehicle is damaged. You would then take off the module and put it onto a working vehicle. If this is the case then it would suggest that these are only going to be made available in very limited numbers for each operation.
Looks very impressive 😃👍👏👏👏
Very interesting !
Good stuff.
Learning from Ukraine conflict: if fighting an enemy with large amount of artillery, vehicles, even if partly in cover, are getting lots of minor shrapnel damage (not usually a big problem) and shredded tyres (stops mobility completely).
Toppers with warmers kit.
Its About Time
Officer : "we can lift this off in an hours time"
REME: "ROFL"
Better be carrying beer if you want the REME to do anything!
Serious omission is a clear bullet-proof gun shield for the 50 cal gunner.
remote weapon station.
The gunner sits in the troop bay under armor protection and fires the gun via the fully stabilised weapons station.
You had me at AC
Me want one ! Except with dual , independently controlled Ma Deuces !
Ok but the Mastiff is a super lightweight IED protected vehicle that's small enough to go through towns. This thing just looks too big
Exactly, bigger is not always better, it just weighs more and needs more room both of which cause issues depending where you deploy to
@@regregan5755 considering that Boxer is protected vs 14.5mm fire all round, 30mm fire from the front plus mine and artillery blast resistant on STANAG IV level, it has to be big.
and it is not that immobile or inflexible as it seems.
15m turning circle are private SUV levels of agility and extremly good. a smaller car has around 11m. Yes it is not going to be a SMART or MINI, but it is significantly more agile than most MRAP´s on the market with higher levels of protection.
And considering that i live in a city with barracks, where Boxer´s are stationed and regularly move from there to the next traininggrounds on public roads.... they really dont have problems with normal city roads or normal european towns.
yes it may be too big for the roads of the historic core of some cities/Towns, but that is also a problem for more or less any AFV on the market.
look at REFORGER footage. rural german towns have been demolished regularly by comparably small M113 etc. Fences, property walls, signs etc have been destroyed by that on a regular basis.
but luckily, german rural historic town centers are not the regular combat zone we design our vehicles around.
In afghanistan the Bundeswehr used Boxer and had no problems maneuvering through afghan towns
Ma Deuce, though proven in design and with the right FCS is awesome, seems to be “under-gunning” this AFV; unless this is a C2 or CS variant. Be better with a min 25mm cannon primary, .50 cal or .338 secondary
that was the armored troop transport variant, wich is used by the german "light" infantry (Jäger) battalions.
There is an IFV variant with options for, for example manned and unmanned turrets with 30mm cannons with programmable ammunition and twin spike launchers (so the same armament like Puma or Lynx) or the option to fit a custom turret with weapons of choice
Needs the 30-50 mm chain cannon
So!?
Everyone else with the boxer has the rhienmetal turret !
And it’s not just a carrier! Didn’t you watch the vid? It’s a modular fighting vehicle👍
I Am 👍
Or...as many as I like? I Didn’t realise there was a limit
Amazing vehicle.
Unfortunately dosent have protection over it's wheels.
Dosent have reinforcement armour around the chassis and turret hatch.
Won’t take long for one of the boys/girls to flip this
Nothing has been made that is squaddie proof, its impossible, maybe in area 51 👾 ???, but I doubt it. I managed to turn over a BV206, in Bosnia they said that was impossible, I proved them wrong 😂 😂 😂 🇬🇧
mark lloyd seatbelts on? What are those ?🤣🙌🏼
lol funny
Oh look a wheeled BMP 50 years later on.
Wheels, no matter how many, will never replace tracks.
Nope, but they're a lot better on long, fast trek by road.
Looks like it just did.
just depends on the intended envirorment.
if you intend to do long offroad marches through heavy terrain tracks are certainly better.
But considering the increased urbanisation and the increased overlap of combat zones with urbanised zones and tactical and strategic deployments to said combatzones via roadmarches, wheeled vehicles outperform tracked vehicles.
Wheeled vehicles are faster, easier to maintain and require less fuel, resulting in a higher tactical and strategic mobility and deployablility in urbanised landscapes (like almost everywhere, unless you fight in antarctica or central sahara)
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 in other words, it all depends...
@@JohnHill-qo3hb well 80%
Of fighting happens in urbanised zones and landscapes. The equation is pretty much clear
Basically it's cheaper to run and maintain, it ISN'T heavily armoured.
Not sure scrapping the Warrior upgrade was a wise move though
Nice that it has wheels. Bad that it sets so high.
How big was the bribe made to the mod
i mean its a good vehicle
yes
Not so much bribes more the case of senior officers about to retire moving into well paid executive positions with defence contractors:)
Its one of, if not the best, vehicle of its class hence the reason why the army didn't bother looking at anything else.
Yes that's what Germany says about the leopard 2 btw turkey is using against the Kurds in Syria and there getting the arse smashed in .
Former 75th Toronto Scottish (Mechanized Infantry) and all I can say is sweet..
I am intrigued by this modular system, what other modular does it come with?
Normally, it's the other way around: Germany was never the first to deploy new equipment after World War II. This time, they were able to convince many others that this vehicle is a real game changer with its new concept that brings strong tactical capabilities. The Germans have not regretted using this fantastic vehicle in Afghanistan.
Germany is one of the world's largest arms exporter.
well, not quite correct. since the introduction of Leopard 1 in the 60´s, germany was always pushing the leading edge of innovation, while the UK for example got left far behind. the reason why the domestic UK defense industry is basicly dead since the 90´s.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Well, that Germany is bad, does not mean, that others are "worse". I agree, the British defense industry should be improved.
@@cvdheyden uhm again: currently the leading developer in tank engines, transmissions, armaments for the tanks, armor etc is Germany. Guess why close all non Russian tanks and afv's use transmissions from Reno and engines from MTU? Or why all non Russian tanks usw the German designed 120mm smoothbore, why Diehl Defense produces armor for half of the world etc. And that for the last 50 years. And it's not only in that area but other areas as well, like infantry weapons from automatic rifles to anti tank weapons too. It is the uk that in the last 30 years regularly calls for aid from German companies like kmw/rheinmetall, HK etc to fix the uk garbage
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Well, I lived in Germany a long time, gues why I know this, but you are right. Engineering is still good in Germany.
Nice purchase! Could we intrest you in some HK417 as well?
ĐΣċīƥΣɌ British army already has a better 7.62 dmr
They are already using the HK417.
Good old M2HB still plonked on the top...
looks beefier than a M1126
A nice laser would pump up on the armaments give protection over boxer.
Heavy armour around the turret hatch and engine.
They should put a 25mm chaingun on the top.
A rather huge Grenade Launcher target
Will this also be a replacement for the FUCHs in the RTR Falkland Squadron?
I want one for driving on the highway here in the states to crush vehicles that don't move out of the passing lane.
Looks like a door stop
I think 🤔 we need another 500 platforms and soldiers to manage them.
Britain should reinstate the 8 Scottish regiments for the protection of Scotland and the north sea.
Put 3 regiments on the Shetland islands
Give them 3 challengers 2 and 3 platforms.
30 boxer infantry support APC.
Bring out of mothballs 20 warrior APC support vehicle infantry.
30 scimitar upgrade armour and give bigger main gun and gpmg and four missles and chain gun.
This would deter anyone trying to access Britain from Russia
Come on the battlefield is changing fast if we're not prepared we shall be defeated