The Celtics front office fleeced the league
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- Опубліковано 19 гру 2023
- How did Boston assemble such an impressive starting five? In this enhanced segment from the Thinking Basketball podcast, Ben and Cody break down the scorching play of Derrick White and Kristaps Porzingis, Boston's lineup versatility and fit, and how they acquired them and Jrue Holiday to play alongside Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown.
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There is a reason advanced analytics have been saying Derrick white is a top 15 player since his spurs days. Elite defender, amazing on or off ball as a playmaker/connector, never makes the wrong reads, elite shooter, unselfish player. He’s the best rim protecting/shot blocking guard ever. Since he doesn’t average 25ppg he won’t get recognized but he is an all-nba level impact player there is no more denying it.
I've considered him
2018-19: top 120
2019-20: top 120
2020-21: top 75
2021-22: top 75
2022-23: top 60
2023-24: top 25
He was good in the past, but this year he's legitimately an all-star.
his shooting was never this good on the spurs to be fair
@@ckqThe top whatever undersells him. Been watching him a long time and he’s been this player. A player who can morph into any role and defend on ball plus rim protect is 1 to none. He’s just doing it on a big stage now while playing more mins.
@@ichirosuzuki2252indicators like ft% was there. He played with Demar and dejounte so he was the only 3p threat as well. But his 3p shooting is only icing on the cake with all the things he brings.
Pffft
brad stevens might be one of the best gms of the last decade or so. the roster he's been able to construct, and the trades he's pulling off are amazing. the missing piece is just that title
Just extremely effective, smart and efficient. Genius work. The Cs are on a great course
Holiday is also so much better, better complemented and better valorized and supported there in Boston. Especially on the defensive theme.
These guys will be a deep threat in the Playoffs
And he did it without compromising the Celtics future for the remaining decade unlike the other contenders like Wolves, Suns, Bucks etc.
He definitely made the right call to shake it up. It’s clear that Tatum & Brown lack the mindset to retain emotional composure in clutch playoff games. Smart was a part of that problem. (And I love some Marcus Smart. Great defender. Was impactful even as the trash shooter he was.)
If he doesnt win executive of the year throw the whole award away
the end of this really puts into perspective the weight of being a GM and what an incredible job (for the most part) brad stevens has done
I mean Ainge left Stevens with a great core talent to work with. Though Stevens' job I'd argue is harder because he has to assemble a championship team with the Jays being proven in the playoffs. But being around Ainge and seeing his weakness with holding onto assets too long showed that Stevens has to be more aggressive to help the team peaking with their stars. And also finding more value on 'overlooked' first round talents that are one dimensional. KP embracing his role as the 'big man' shooter is huge because most of them are in the Wester Conference now.
@@t4d0WAinge left Stevens with an insanely top heavy team and some of the worst depth in the league.
Half the roster Brad had in his last year as coach is out of the league now. He’s been the best GM in basketball since he got the job, all they need is a ring to cement it but he’s done everything he can to help them.
@@KS-qc3pr But Smart, Theis, Grant and RW3 were still there with the two core Jays along with the Langford/Nesmith who were key assets in the future trades. There was still enough from that war chest along with aging vets like Kemba to flip him and get Horford back. As well with the moving the young players with some vets (especially the Richardson signing) in the Pacers and Spurs trade that net them Brogdon and White.
danny traded theis before brad took over, kemba on a max was a mistake that brad had to fix@@t4d0W
not really "for the most part" he hasn't made a mistake yet
As a spurs fan, white has said he watched a ton of Manu. White can set an offense, run pnr, get downhill or shoot, play off ball, elite iq and shooting, defends like hell. All these small traits that Manu had he has. He’s not electric with the ball like Manu but he’s impactful. Get deeper in your talks there is a lot you guys didn’t uncover with White still…
Manu and Derrick are very similar. Lots of Spurs fans said it and we don't throw around Manu's name cavalierly.
Both came into the league as old rookies. Both guys didn't realize how good they were; deferring too often offensively. Both are willing to do anything to win a game. Take 5 charges and loose a tooth. Manu and Derrick's hands elbows and head end up on the hardwood more than most NBA players. Everyone says they want to win, but I don't think many people actually follow through on doing anything to win. It's fun to score 25 in a win but you know both guys are happy to play an uglier role to win the next game; scoring 6 points but providing elite defense and extra hustle on some rebounds or forced turnovers.
From a peripheral view, both guys are extremely similar as actual impact players. Elite defenders on and away from the ball that can switch onto bigger players. You will not find many more impactful players their height or shorter defending inside the paint; drawing charges, swiping the ball, going vertical. Both force a bunch of turnovers, both make quick/good decisions on both ends of the floor, both are efficient guys that don't take that many mid range shots (not that many do nowadays lol). Both are kings of plus-minus data.
The biggest diversions in the two are that Manu was a drive first player who got massive FTA's and threw all kinds of audacious passes.
I don't think Manu is the best comparison for him because of that. I was pushing Derrick White as the next Chauncey Billups back when we still had him in SA, but I believe a more accurate comparison is Kyle Lowry. If he stays healthy and confident I don't think a career like Lowry is that unlikely for Derrick. Honestly, all 4 of Billups Manu Derrick and Lowry are kind of an overlapping 4 circle ven diagram.
It hurts to not see Derrick actualizing his obvious potential in a Spurs uniform. However, I think it's obvious how much winning did for Derrick's confidence. Playing off great offensive players in Boston gave him the breathing room to build up his confidence and win through bad individual games. In SA when he struggled and we lost (and we lost more than we won) it clearly wore on his confidence. In Boston, when he struggled and Boston lost.. wait, Boston doesn't lose a lot... yeah that helps your confidence. That helps you shake off the bad games when they're forgotten in wins. I think it's obvious the losing and extra scrutiny for personally bad games wore down on him in SA. We made him deactivate his twitter after he shot like 0/8 from 3 in Milwaukee.
The November 2018 Spurs were kind of a depressing team to watch. We lost Kawhi, Manu, Danny, Tony, and Kyle. It was jarring. How was this real? Our team is Aldridge DeRozan Gay Mills? Dante Cunningham is starting for us? Weren't we watching Kawhi look like Michael Jordan carrying us through the western conference like 16 months ago? Losing all those guys in the summer was a punch in the stomach and Dejounte tearing his ACL in the preseason was the kick in the --- now the one guy I'm excited to watch is Derrick and HE's GOING TO MISS THE START OF THE SEASON!? That team was sad to watch. However, by January they were so much fun for me to watch and basically the only reason for that was Derrick. It was obvious he was a good player and that he was going to be a great player. There isn't any other young Spur I've said that about between Kawhi and Victor. The difference when Derrick was on and off the floor in terms of watchability AND productivity as a team was night and day. He was 95% of the fun of that team for me.
I wish he was blossoming nationally as a Spur. Call it entitlement. His potential was criminally underrated by fans media and apparently NBA front offices. I don't like the Celtics but Derrick has made them my 2nd favorite team and just like he made the Spurs fun to watch in 2018 - 19 he now makes a team I don't care about fun to watch.
@@granthoops Derrick has also made the Celtics my 2nd favorite team. Has so much humility and never had any pride or ego unlike Dejounte…but one thing you said that was cool is the similarities between billups,white,Manu,Lowry. These players are always extremely valuable
shooting 40% from 3 while being such a good defender would be more than enough to be the perfect fit for this team (or any other team for that matter). but the dude can also run plays as you said. i can honestly see him as a borderline star and borderline all star in a bigger role at a different team.
edit: jesus this dude has a 19.2 PER...
As a Celtics fan D White has been my fav player for a lil while now
I Think they cover what they intended the video to be about. Lol. They always bring it. Stop it bro! Lmao. They're about Derrick White on the Celtics, and not on the Spurs. Lol. Chill man.......
To add to the end bit about how the Celtics acquired their starting 5, you also have to remember that both Brown and Tatum were the result of draft picks that Boston got in the legendary Pierce/Garnett Brooklyn trade.
They fleeced the Nets and then swept them. Lol
getting rid of his hair was Derrick White's turnaround moment, they were weighing him down!
reverse samson!
Derrick Saitama
He's learn from the GOAT Caruso.
Derrick White is my BOAT (baldest of all time)
Having recently shaved my own head, I can confirm this is true.
I am not a Celtics fan but Derrick White deserves all the love in the world and has become one of my favorite non-star players to watch (even though he is a super star in my book).
he is the MVP in my book
He should be a all star this season
That transaction history diagram is so nice. A GM masterclass.
Yeah I’m still shocked how spurs let Derrick white go for nothing ..
He is too good so he would help win games which was not ideal. Plus he is a little older. As a spurs fan it pains me we moved on but it makes sense. Don’t get why every team wasn’t on the phone with the spurs.
They got two firsts and Romeo Langford when he still had some potential. That's a fair trade for him in 2021 terms
He not top 500 in nba
they got a 2022 first, a 2028 first swap, romeo langford, and josh richardson. from richardson they got devonte graham and 4 second round picks, devonte graham will likely be packaged this season for more second round picks. so all things considered if the spurs are better than the celtics by 2028, theyll have 2 firsr rounders, and at least 4, possibly 5-6 second rounders from derrick white trade
Derrick white is the ultimate gadget player, on a bad team you wont realize his true value. On a contender you see how good he is
love the content ben keep up the good work
Appreciate it!
@@ThinkingBasketballwill there be any more offensive legends videos?
so glad to see DWhite get the much deserved recognition. as a C's fan, he's everything I always hoped Marcus would be
Amen
Really enjoyed the "trade-tree" you assembled in the end. Shows how good job the front office did assembling this team
The whole starting 5 are all star level
Another detail to the trade tree you left out: The other player the Celtics shipped out for White - Romeo Langford - is who they drafted with the pick they acquired for moving down in the 2017 draft, letting the Sixers move up to #1 for Fultz, and instead taking Tatum at #3.
I like the presentation style, where you include video of the specific plays you talk about.
Neemias Queta is also a really good big which Sacramento inexplicably gave no chance despite being the best big man in the G League
if he gets a three point shot and some midreange options he could become the next al horford
He has been unbelievable; his defensive ability is shocking. I will never understanding how guys like Bol bol or mo bamba are picked up before him
@@dasfawsfasf935he got cooked against golden state, once he learns to be a bit of a better switch defender on the perimeter everything will come full circle. He definitely has a magnetic knack for rebounding especially on the offensive
Just having a dude who can grab a ton of rebounds is huge. Rebounding has always been weak point for boston in the past so to have it in our bench unit is huge
As a Spurs fan Derek White leaving was one of the most disappointing events. But it was bittersweet because I knew he needed to go to a team that was going to contend now rather than in the future. Still one of my favorite players to watch. The guys in tangibles are off the charts and he's always hustling and making the smart play.
I feel like Derrick White is a like missing puzzle piece for a system and when the system has that piece it will thrive, but if you move him to another system he will be good, but not as good as he is in Boston, I might be wrong anyway
Can fit into all 30 nba teams. He’s like a scrull in marvel where he can morph into anything. On ball playmaking, off ball shooting, on ball defense, off ball rim protection. On the spurs his advanced numbers looked like a top 15 nba player
He's the ideal 4th/5th piece who can be efficient getting less attention from defenses. But with that can also spend his energy making those calculated risks on defense that can turn to key possessions to scores. Or well timed putbacks to put his team ahead in the final seconds.
He could fit on any team. I will say though, when he got traded at the deadline he was a great pickup and he played well, but it wasn't until he had his first full season with the team where he really excelled. Thats part of the reason the Celtics were comfortable moving on with Smart and White proved himself to be that guy.
These trades of Celtics remind me of champiosnhip Mavs. They got Marion,Tyon, Kidd year by year to form a champion lineup.
This was an excellent breakdown. Loved the work on the graphical and highlights matching your commentary perfectly. Very smooth production.
Thanks! Appreciate that.
This was my favorite analysis of Celtics I’ve seen this year.
Derrick White is simply that man. I can not stress it enough. Also Sam Hauser is one of, if not the, best shooter in the league.
99% sure Sam would tell you he isn’t the best lol, but he is really good
@@alejandrojimenez108 Among players who have already made 150 threes this season, he is third in percentage behind only Malik Beasley and Duncan Robinson. And Beasley starts. Pretty impressive.
He's also 14th in offensive rating. Two spots behind, who else, Derrick White.
Except when he goes 0-for-a million like he's done in two of the team's OT losses.
@@WorldsUnhealthiestFitPerson shooters shoot and shooters miss thats how it is. dont mean he not great at it
@@WorldsUnhealthiestFitPersonThat's what happens to shooters there will be some nights where you can't hit a shot to save your life.
Even Steph has had some 3/10 or 6/16 3 pt shooting games.
it's always so satisfying when the exact same play they are describing is shown in the video, great job
dwhite is also one of the most selfless dudes on the team. he was fighting for minutes last season his numbers were down but he didn't complain he just kept on playing good basketball. hoping to see him become a 1st time allstar along with the jays this year.
the breakdown at the end id love to see more of that where you can visualize the trades
The cumulative increase in Post play has also helped muddle an already tough defensive assignment.
4 of 5 starters are pretty lethal in single coverage.
I’ve been asking you guys to cover white forever. About time he’s a 1 of 1 player.
You inspired the video!
@@ThinkingBasketballif you wanna have a Rich talk about real impactful players/how valuable connective traits are…I’m your guy.
Thanks Issac and TB, he's deserved his flowers for a while now
Derrick White has become one of my favorites. He also seems like a very humble and hard working guy, a good guy. Great to partner with Jrue, whose the same.
This team reminds me of the championship-run Spurs somewhat. In that they had a lot of guys you would not outright say were stars in Manu and Tony Parker and roleplayers that did their job. I know they had Timmy so my point is not exact. Duncan was a legit superstar even if he did not seem it. For the Celtics right now, you just have a team not necessarily constructed around a superstar. Just solid guys who want to win and know their role. Just a well-balanced team built around team play, you know the most important part of team sports. Brad Stevens has taken the Sith Lord directive from Dany Ainge and is tricking the league into doing his bidding lol. I don't even watch the NBA anymore but I try to keep up with the C's when I can because they seem to not embody all the awful things I hate about the league nowadays. Good video fellas.
Very timely, I've been grappling with the idea that this season Derrick has been the 3rd best player on the team behind Tatum/KP. This is based on just watching games, but the more I look at the impact analytics it really pushes it from being a weirdly uncomfortable thought to one that's got a lot of legs. Thanks for the effort you both put in.
3rd is easy. What is uncomfortable is if he’s the most important. Obviously Tatum is better but if white wasn’t there, they wouldn’t have that ceiling raiser that takes them to another level by connecting everything on both ends…
Yeah personally I dont see an argument for him being more important than Tatum. He's playing within a system built around Tatum complemented by 4 other incredible players that allow him to play within his role/skillset and off the attention those key players create. Which is he is doing very well, yet none of that exists without an MVP calibre player.
@@jameskane4639 fair but this team wouldn’t have much connective tissue without white. Not even mentioning the other side of the ball. +/- is the best in the league. I’m just saying it can be a conversation, I know Tatum is a better player.
I'd argue he's even more important in the playoffs regardless of how Tatum/JB/KP tune their performance then. He does all the dirty and hustle work and when the Celtics are playing in close games and Mazzula is calling a stale game plan with the Jays having bouts to get shots to drop, one guy who will fight till the last second to get that last hustle basket for the win is definitely Derrick White. He did so in a game 6 against the Heat where the Celtics damn nearly ran out of gas in the 4th quarter.
I think if players can adjust their game to fit within a system built around other players, that makes them even more valuable. I'm not saying White would perform better without Tatum or Brown, as he certainly takes advantage of their presence on offense and defense. If you stack a team with good players, it becomes incrementally harder to stop the offense.
as a celtics fan, our late-game offense and play calling in tight games is still really concerning
As a bucks fan, keep it up, we’re the anti-Celtics right now. Bucks have no defense or cohesive offense but are great in clutch time lol
@@JolteOnWisconsin Biggest difference is that you already had Giannis that could step up in endgame, but now you have one of the best closers in the league, Mr Dame-time himself. Tatum and Brown are great, but they aren't clutch at all, if anything it should be White or KP doing end of game shots.
@@pinobluevogel6458 Personally I think the ball shouldn't be in any one player's hands at the end of the game. Just run plays and find the open man. The beauty of having 5 guys who can all get a bucket is you don't have to run every single play through Tatum and Brown.
@@devinberry4472 Maybe you're right, but in practice in the NBA we often see it play out differently. Starplayers that perform well in the clutch, tend to get the ball and perform well in the clutch, it's just a normal thing in the NBA. Even if only for a good story of heroics, its a good thing to have.
It also feeds on itself, if that player keeps on performing, he starts to believe in himself and actualizes this by getting extra motivated and focused in those times. Similary, a player that missed a bunch of shots, gets seen as a choker and loses this confidence.
@@pinobluevogel6458well it doesnt seem like these Celtic stars perform in the clutch but i dont have the stats
so happy for derrick white's success buddys a baller
Please do Jaylen Browns latest stretch !🙌🏽
White at one point was one of those offensive generators on the Spurs and Team USA. He’s not A+ at it, but being B+ to A- at it as a role player is such a game changer.
That Cavs adjustment to move Porzingis is just similar to taking away RW3 from the ball. Stick him by the dunker spot and let him track the ball at the rim. Plus C's can switch anyway so they can always get someone on Allen if he relocates off a screen. Which then leaves Tatum defending the perimeter which is ideal. And as Ben noted it is possible because you have 4 other guys who can essentially defend 1~4 at the perimeter. Until they run into a team with a taller high volume jump shooter but most those monsters are in the WC.
I will say regarding what assets the C's moved to get White and some of the guys, its probably a product of Stevens seeing how Ainge gathered a war chest of picks years ago and didn't really use them until their value diminished. Along with Ainge's penchant of taking wings with ball handling/shooting potential in the mid/late first such as guys like Langford and Nesmith. In the end they were just sweeteners to drafts that would help assemble their complimentary talents. But they certainly lucked out finding an easy replacement to shipping out Smart by easily getting Jrue who was moved for the Lillard trade. Good aggressive moves in the FA by Stevens.
Get this stat: Zingas shoots 38.7% from 3 feet behind the line and shoots 34.6% at the 3 point line. I think it's a height thing.
Great analysis.
Brad is basically getting all the players he wanted when he was the coach of this team
Everyone in the league slept on Kristaps Porzingas.
At the end of the day its the coach that gets every single player to buy into the goal and sacrifice. Celtics and Bucks is shaping up to be the best series in the east imo. Would be the most important playoff series of Dames career👀
Such a fun team to watch. They need to learn to stay consistent at the end when it matters.
Derrick White is like Alex Caruso who shoots a slightly better at 3pt. As this year, Alex has improved a lot with his 3pt compared to previous years, specially in clutch time. They basically twins.
No wonder that they have the same intensity and intelligence
Alex Caruso is nowhere near the playmaker nor finisher derrick white is lol. Derrick white is a legit point guard
Yeah. The Bulls definitely love Caruso.
Caruso is better on defense but White is better on offense.
Only thing left for this team is the chip. FA gives them gems every single time, but the Jays are so inconsistent at the big stage, they're either gonna drop 50 or be the best bricking and TO duo
Tatum ain’t top 5 imo I feel like he too inconsistent to lead a team to a chip
Hello Ben, can you please make a detailed analysis (like the one you do in peak series) of fringe superstar/superstar players, those players that are great but doesn’t get enough credit or doesn’t crack the alltime top rankings bc of lack of championships or accolades or just straight up underrated bc of other factors, injury, only second option on a team etc. Especially during the 2010s bc there are a lot of them during that time. Players like Chris Paul, Westbrook, Harden, Lillard, Paul George, Kawhi, Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving to name a few. Thanks! I hope you understand the theme that I am implyin here lol.
Derrick White is far and away the most underrated player in the league
Derrick White being called a superstar came as the epiphany I didn't know i needed
9:05 .....thats a god damned 2k my league turnaround on some crazy shi
Makes it wild that they have both White and Jrue
Great video! Ben, I know you're really into non-conventional title contenders, and I think this Celtics team may be closer to a 2014 SA/2004 DET collective type roster than people realize.
White's prime is going to look a lot like Jrue's prime looked.
I’m right there with ya. This team is fascinating. But you’re leaving out a critical element that makes them so so different and difficult. Not many teams have a Tingus pingus. Center who’s deadly from 3 point range but can score mid range and post at the highest level. We have Al horford. 2nd in the nba in 3pt% last season. And he’s more of the same this season. Very few teams have a snipping big. No other teams have two. And here’s the kickers kicker. Al is even better from 3 % wise. Al hit an open 3 later in that Detroit game. It was the most beautiful 3 point shot I’ve ever seen. I don’t think I’ve ever been impressed with an open 3 point shot before. But Al has become a master marksmen.
This team has 2 of everything. 2 all nba franchise 2 way wings. Two combo guards who are the two best defenders in the nba from the backcourt. Two 7 footers who are deadly from 3. Can score at any level and who are excellent passers
We also have 2 shooters off the bench who can put the opposing team ice in a hurry. If the c’s can land a quality bench player, they will. If Brad thinks they need something they will have it. Cuz teams like this don’t just fall out the sky. And they’re very hungry. They have that will to win I havnt seen since that run on Taryn’s rookie season. Scary terry and the gang
The roster should win a title. Anything less means they underachieved. The question is for me is whether Brown and Tatum play smart or make bad choices... and that's their weakness, who is going to have the ball late in the game that you trust to make the winning shot or play? Tatum is just a little less than a Joker, Giannis, Luka level...
I’ve been thinking the same thing about the Celtics love all the moves they’ve made of late. Just seems like a team that knows what they’re doing. Idk if it’s Brad Stevens moving off of coaching to the FO but it’s been impressive.
I think Stevens having the experience of being a college coach, NBA coach and now a GM just makes him a really well rounded GM that can understand the game in a way alot of GM's can't.
Coaching this team gives Brad an advantage as GM...he knows exactly what was missing and needed. Problem with Danny was he was great at adding draft picks but timid to let those picks go in trades. No team beating this squad 4 out of 7 games. Just need JT to play like the top 5 player we know he is. Stop settling and bring that dog out!!!
Brad was a great coach and an even better GM. For three straight seasons he's managed to retool better than any other team.
I recall the Celtics traded Marcus Smart in a multi-team deal and got Kristaps Porzingis and three first rounders in return, which is an incredible haul. Then they traded two firsts, Brogdon and Robert Williams for Jrue.
As Ben pointed out, the only concession they made in these moves is giving up a pick that turned into Sengun to get rid of Kemba Walker in favour of Al Horford.
Horford was still a great asset then. Sure he's more diminished but he's essentially a playmaking big who can shoot 3s and play quality defense in key matchups. Stuff that Sengun is now trying to figure out but you need to give him time to do so. Horford as a vet already figured it out and is ready to contribute to a deep playoff push.
They had to give up a pick to get off Kembas contract. No way could they contend with him getting a huge chunk of money and being washed.
Derrick White aka "Slippers" is really locked in !
will there be a late resurgence of post moves or at least post ups for more bigs? The roaming scheme is dominating the nba paint defenses the last season or two, with KP, AD, Wemby and Chet adding on to that. If a 6'7 or under wing is guarding a 250lbs 6'10 up guy, shouldn't that guy at least get some attempts to bully him? I know that most non star bigs are specialized to be roll men, but they don't even get a chance to take advantage of any size advantage.
Porzingis is making things easy for the c's
I needed this after the warriors loss
Derrick White has been an underrated guard ever since he joined the league, I think by now we finally see the eye-balls on him he deserves. I think he's the best two-way guard in the league, Jrue has more strength and defensive versatility, Caruso is slightly better on ball, but neither of them have the consistancy on offense and the rim protection chops.
I like both him and KP (who has also been an underrated piece) as sleeper starplayers on this team. The J's can certainly put out some volume scoring, but for clutch moments and consistancy in the playoffs, I think they have more value with the former mentioned players. KP is a very tough matchup for any team and White is such a shifty player, he always makes his presence felt doing whatever is needed to win. Also if the defense shifts towards Tatum or Brown, he absolutely takes advantage of it, which was formerly and issue with Smart being in that spot not able to do so.
KP might get injured in playoffs
Thanks
What's crazy about the Celtics is that they're not gassed out easily and can go all 4 quarters without being tired and still score plus 20 from each starter or play lock down defense even with just white and holiday
Crazy having a team in which Derrick white is ( or at least considered ) your 5th best player
The celtics have a magnetism to them right now.
Malik Fitts will forever hold a place in Celtics fans hearts just off bench celebrations from the 2022 Finals run
7:00 he’s the best shot blocking small since d wade
The Celtics are definitely a threat to win it all i say just improve the bench and they'll be fine if healthy
Random post:
I adore Derrick White. He is such an amazing player, defender, growing into his own version of a star role playing Steph Curry/Manu Ginobili/Alex Caruso hybrid. But whenever I hear talk about his shot blocking abilities it makes me think of John Wall. That man never got his flowers for being the best shot blocking point guard in NBA history. Here’s the data:
437 blocks total. Most ever by a Pg. Played half the games of the player at #2 all time, Jason Kidd. If you look at the top 10 list, it’s all guys who played 800-1200 games. Wall broke the record in 600. Wall averges 0.7 for his career, about the same as LeBron. Wall is tied for the most blocks in a single game ever by a Pg, with 5. Wall AVERAGED over 1.1 blocks per game for his PLAYOFF CAREER. He had 3 separate trips to the playoffs where he averaged between 1.4 and 1.2 blocks PER GAME. He averaged 2.8 STOCKS per game for his playoff career as a PoINT GUARD.
Also, not quite data, but just go look up his best blocks. This dude was stuffing Serge Ibaka at the rim, chasing down anyone and everyone. Literlaly throwing Brandon Ingram or DeMarr Derozens layups into the bleachers. It was insane. And he did it while battling bone spurs and u diagnosed tendinitis for most of the time. Heck, his overall playoff stats of 21.9 points, 9.8 assists, 4.3 rebounds, 1.7 steals and 1.1 blocks PER GAME( and don’t forget an overall +/- of +83) HAVEnt ever been duplicated before. I’m sure other Celtics fans like me remember him torching us over the years, whether it was the 27-0 run he led during the playoffs on his way to tying the series 2-2, or the game winning , 23rd poont of the half series saving 3 pointer in game 6. The 40/13/3/3 never done before game 2 that his teammates managed to let slip away while IT dropped 53. The 29/12 after he had just returned from surgery in 2018. The 34/13 with a bone spur on his heel and plantar fasciitis and a weakening achillies in 2018/19. Dude was wild . And I had to bring it up as I think about how good of a shot blocker white is. He’s a different type of shot blocker than Wall. Wall was LeBron James at 6’3”. White is more like…I don’t even know…something else.
Red would be proud of your deals, Brad
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All those great things coming together only to be stunned by Miami again in the Playoffs.
A few caveats, Jrue was last minute trade that no one in the league saw coming after the Dame move. Also, DWhite has been ballin' like this for two srt8 seasons in green.
D wade is the next closest thing guard blocks wise
They fleeced nobody, they paid market price for those players, just they have been smart to identify them and had tons of assets thanks to Ainge. But a guy like White was available because the Spurs were in a different phase
I would agree Stevens was more aggressive identifying those complimentary talents and getting them than Ainge was. Whom the latter I felt was holding onto his assets (picks, big contracts) for a high impact top 10~20ish guy wanted a new market and was willing to sign long term. Maybe thinking that was his way of adding to the what the Jays could become and cover their weaknesses.
when I saw that jrue holiday trade I lost all hope as a bucks fan you got a DPOY caliber player of jrue, also a DPOY caliber player derrick white, and two average to above average perimeter defender of JB and JT plus Kristaps who can be a solid rim protector and horford if you want someone to guard giannis or embiid and all those people can switch and defend multiple position and all of those can also get hot and score
I've been saying it for a little while, but in all phases of the game Brad Stevens is a complete genius.
Derrick White has got to be the best roleplayer in the league, if you an even call him that. The moment the Celtics traded for him was the moment their current streak of success started. Last year, any line-up with Derrick white and Robert Williams was the celtics best lineup statistically. I was sad to see Timelord go, but White has balling even more since.
It hurt having to let White go from the Spurs. He's always had this skill set, but for whatever reason he couldn't find his shooting stroke in San Antonio. But he's absolutely found it in Boston, and I love that he's succeeding there.
White and Jrue can literally fit in any team and be effective both ways.
How much do you think White is worth annually, contract wise?
From the eye test and how his advanced stats say he’s a top 15 guy. He’s worth whatever you would pay Zach lavine…cuz he’s a more impactful player
My guy Brad Stephens
Missing out on drafting Sengun is the only thing I'm disappointed by. (I was really high on him in that draft and said so in comments sections of social media and was blasted for it!) If only OKC had accepted a draft pick from a later year, Boston could have Sengun who is basically an Al Horford protégée at 21 years old. That would fix their big man depth issue.
5 star players feels accurate even though it intuitively sounds crazy. Has this ever happened? Maybe the warriors with boogie but he got hurt pretty early
Haven’t seen a top 6 constructed as well as this Boston team. After the 6…the drop off is steep
The 2000s Pistons is a good example of a stacked starting lineup like that. The 1983 76ers. There are a few.
DW finally cut his hair, biggest off-season improvement for the team imo
It helps that Boston hasn’t won a chip yet. Once they win one or more, one or two players are going to want to ask for a pay raise that cripples their ability to keep the team together or hire other decent players that fit. Look at GSW. 2022 was just lucky for them because Poole played like he was worth the money he got the year after, but it hasn’t been the same since 2019.
D WHITE MADE ME FEEL AGAIN
After we traded for White that first year I never in a million years would believe hes as good as he is right now. He pissed ne off the entire playoffs that year. He ddint look like he fit and i thought for sure hed either get traded or buried on the bench.
Last year he truly proved me wrong. He improved leaps and bounds more than i ever thought possible.
Flash forward to this season and the man looks like an All-star. It hurt to lose Marcus Smart in the off-season becasue whats not to love about him as a fan. Derek White has stepped up so much that he made that loss not bother ss much.
The dude is a complete baller. He defends almost as well as Smart but the fact that he blocks shots is actually better than Smart. He shoots well and is also a good passer. But the main thing i love sbout him is his unselfishness and his extremely high basketball I.Q.
I really like hearing you guys analyze transactions.
Also, when the game is close in the 4th and the defense is good, do you think the Celtics have fixed their problems where they’d just iso and not really run any intricate plays? Seems like they play safe, because Jaylen and Jayson don’t complement each other’s games well on offense. (See last years 4th quarter blunders vs the heat in the playoffs)
Hard to say. Much of the Celtics playoffs bad game planning also falls on Mazzulla's lack of adjustments. Dude was barely holding it together coaching against Doc Rivers and thankfully his stars won out for him. But Spoelstra is always the litmus test if you can coach against him in the playoffs and Mazzulla was just not about it.
@t4d0W spoelstra is a helluva litmus test considering he's the best coach in the league rn
The celtics' tendency to gum up their offense never seemed like a coaching issue to me, considering it's existed across three head coaches' tenures
The problem seems like Tatum's tendency to go away from running offense and transition to slow iso ball in key moments, that's something he has got to get over
Spurs fans are missing Derrick White.
As a mavs fan I can just say that Porzingis moves better. Like,he runs in a more atlethic way. Is not that he was slower with Mavs but he seems more comfortable in his own body again.
Only thing is Derrick is getting matched up consistently with bad perimeter defender, when you play with Tatum Brown and Jrue you are gonna feast on easy matchups
Isn't that the case for any role player?
Look at Mikal Bridges, Jermi Grant, Tobias Harris. They can moonlight as a #1 on mediocre teams better than White maybe but on a title team they too are #3 (or #4) options
Ben, you gotta talk about the wolves! Best in the west, #1 defence in the league? I'm begging you!
That season with Brogdon and Smart, I thought White played the best out of all of them f
The Clippers fleeced YOU my guy! They're a superteam that works
Respect to D White but when teams have to guard JT, Porzingas, and Brown already, and then Jrue holiday as well, your job as the 5th man is gonna be easy.
As Long As They Stay Healthy I Got Them & Denver In The Finals This Year.
I think it's time for a video about the Clippers
As a Bucks fan scouting our #1 competition I ended up googling Derrick White impending free agency. Not soon enough! lol.
Honestly derrick white feels like the leader this team needs. Like out of all of them, i want him on the last shot
The Spurs kinda had to move Derrick White. Dude was honestly just too good on both ends to allow them to actually tank for a top pick, and it's the same story with Dejoutne. Funny enough, the Spurs would kill to have either of them back now to pair with Wemby though. lol