Fr, but idk what is changing for Boston. Last year Smart, Horford, and Grant were the primary defenders on Embiid. Now it’s Holiday and Horford. Not much changed, just Holiday is a better version of Smart.
Man I wish Jrue got this much coverage in MIL! Us bucks fans knew how big a loss this was and the trade off for Dame's offense was gonna be rough. Not THIS rough but man I wish Jrue the best. He's great on defense and his post bully ball is fantastic on offense. He's also incredible in the community, he and his wife are missed in Milwaukee.
I don't think anyone expected it to be this bad. I was defending the trade lol. Not anymore 😂 But it's fixable. Need to bring in some perimeter defense by Feb and you will be in a better spot for sure.
@@Masoch1stI think the issue is compounded by the coach trying to give the bucks a new defensive identity. A lot changed fast for bucks. Jrue, Giannis, and Brook would often cover for any defensive lapses on the floor with just pure talent, instinct, and athleticism. The coach is changing defensive schemes in hopes of better results but it’s just no clicking at this point in time, especially with Dame replacing Jrue.
Its pretty incredible that the Brad Stevens flipped Marcus Smart for three first rounders and got Porzingis in return as well. Then he flipped two firsts, Time Lord and matching salary for Jrue, who essentially plays the Smart role with better offence.
While the BOS raise up to even higher peaks...Bucks went downhill. The bucks underestimate the massive impact Jrue got for them in both side of the court.
Bucks never underestimated the defensive impact of Jrue, but they understood that having a guard like Jrue run the offense was not going to result in another chip.
@@devinchinchilla7804it's a personnel issue for the Bucks. The Celtics have so much skill on and off the ball that they don't need an elite playmaker. He hustles just as hard as Smart, but he doesn't take a bunch of crunchtime shots.
@@devinchinchilla7804Jrue literally won yall that chip. Overrated Giannis has been bounced in the 2nd round or earlier his entire career then Jrue came in and won yall a ring in his first year
@@jdrmanmusiqking Bucks with Giannis, Khris, Jrue and Brook would have won multiple Chips. Jrue wasn't the reason we didn't win them it was Khris that held us back due to injury. Problem is Khris is still hurt and Bucks with no offensive firepower outside of Giannis gets beat vs good teams in the playoffs. We've been a defensive juggernaut for half a decade and just having elite defense isn't enough to win Chips. When Dame is playing Bucks are still an incredible team but I'm afraid our new Coach will be fired in next ten games unless he figures unless he can right the ship quick fast and in a hurry.
Ive been saying this since 2020 this channel should be the official channel of NBA. If channels like these were NBA partners, NBA would be almost as popular as NFL.
Nah people don't want real breakdowns and discussions. Not the masses anyway. Now if the NBA played 40 games only 3-4 nights per week and cleaned up all the foul drawing on both sides and the stars played every night then maybe they could catch the NFL
If the NBA YT channel can clean up their frickin playlist of game highlights so its not a mess to catch up, that would be a start among other poor things the NBA has for media. In comparison to what the NFL YT channel has done with organizing videos and what not, its no reason why they are light years ahead of the NBA in organizing and showcasing media. NFL being more popular is because they are more efficient with what they do for the schedule/competition in 5 months (and another 3-4 months of offseason coverage via draft, FA) than the NBA does with 6-7 months where nobody cares about games until after Christmas.
I expect jrue to have one of his best defensive seasons on the celtics. On the bucks, we asked him to be the 3rd or 2nd option on offense while also guarding the best perimeter player. Giannis even talked about how we asked to much from him to guard the best player and run the offense as the point guard. Hes going to shine now since he is like the 4th or 5th option on offense now.
I think that is the big difference with his role for the Celtics this year. Jrue at times with the Bucks had to play 2nd option along with being the defensive anchor when injuries leave out Middleton. Bucks don't have anyone great to really step up from the depth charts. If the Celtics stay healthy, Jrue can spend more of his energy being a swiss-army stopper along with doing little things while the Jays attack the basket on offense and KP is the perimeter catch and shoot threat.
The Bucks gained one of the best offensive players ever - sure. But they got rid of a very good offensive player and a defensive beast. They (bucks) had no holes in their defense unlike the Celtics (to small) and now they have a huge weakness and Boston has no weakness on defense and got better on the offensive end.
The Bucks had to make that trade. Jrue wasn't a good offensive player during his Bucks tenure. During the regular season he was great, but as soon as the playoffs began, his offense fell off a cliff. Just look at the numbers. They were really bad. We also have to wait and see with the Bucks. They played an offensive and defensive scheme for half a decade and now have to adapt to a new system. Whereas Boston situation is basically plug and play because there offensive core remained largely the same. Jrue basically took Smart's role while Porzingis has a similar role that Horford had.
incorrect! lol - on a couple things at least. the bucks have had a prob guarding elite wings since pj tucker left. also boston wasnt too small. last time they matched up, grant al and smart held giannis 10% below his shooting averages even tho the counting numbers looked great (and that was w/o a healthy rob roaming in help - which was what made their defense so good that yr).
@@NeoctixSpot On. Losing one of the best guard defenders in the league will obviously hurt but Jrue was being forced to play out of his element come playoff time, & try to be a 2nd Option Offensively. Now in Boston he’s a 4th Option so he can focus on Defense & Playmaking more
u been smoking something..... everyone agrees Boston was to small (way to small) but you, and tucker aint got nothing on Holiday, and U must really have problems because Smart didn't hold anyone to anything because he was getting humiliated every time down the court guarding big men and gettign smashed... Giannis can;t dribble witch is the saddest thing and he should have been able to lock him down, but the rest of them did do okay.... Do urself a favor and don't call someone wrong when you have no clue... or u do but you like to lie to yourself...
What happened in the Playoffs is Porter jumped Holiday (middleton started having injury problems) so JD had some bad stretches on offense, but he is a real good offensive player, and i do feel like he was having a hard time adjusting. but Porter came out of nowhere to become a strong contributor because when I saw him the first time I was like "WHO IS THIS BROTHER". If Middleton could have stayed healthy and if the whole team could get to less touches to be in rythem this team would have been fun to watch.
The Timberwolves game, you have to keep in mind that Gobert is limited at the offensive end, so he is in the post; that means for spacing KAT is on the perimeter. So Jrue guarding KAT on the perimeter makes sense.
If it was a shooting big I think KP would still play help/run him at the perimeter either way. The key thing is that many of the face up bigs just can't punish a strong smaller defender like Smart/Holiday catching the ball from the perimeter. And KP is always hanging at dunker spot which is a good preferred position for him. Even with Embiid and his lackluster ability to split double teams coming to him, who else is he going to pass out to punish the Celtics for putting Jrue on him like that?
Embiid needs to employ bully ball much more often. He stubbornly insists on trying to prove his dribbling/slashing skills which he all know he has, but doesn't need to utilize in most situations. He needs to release his inner Shaq against smaller/weaker defenders.
So the issue I have with this concept is that it allows the defender to foul away when facing a bigger offensive player with total impunity. Holiday should have fouled out but the refs are trying to let them play by giving a huge advantage in physicality to the smaller player. Even the "offensive foul" Jrue openly hand checks with total impunity when Towns gets the step & uses that to recover with his speed advantage. These small advantages nullified by referee bias of size is what will doom the league if they dont address it. Youll end up with 5'10 hacks on defense guarding 6'3 centers on offense. You see it with Jokic, Embiid & even Wemby this early. The NBA is taxing the size advantage & it is screwing teams built around a big man. Jokic avoids this by using his off arm as a weapon to initiate contact & clear out when someone smaller is on him. IDK why that isnt called as much considering how much he hooks by his defender. Embiid commands a double no matter what so it doesnt work as well. Someone like Wemby? They stand no chance if a 6'5 F can hand check his advantage of length. Excessive physicality benefitting the other team, especially without a skill aspect to it, muddies up the game.
I've noticed this too. The refs basically turn a blind eye to hanchecking if the defender is smaller than the ball handler. This has been the case for YEARS yet people think the game is just immune to defense against big players.
@@thenorthremembers728honestly I was against this cause I was SUCH a Middleton fan in 2021 & 2022, but I’ve faced reality. The dude is straight up washed. But the thing is Jrue has immensely more value than Khris when it comes to trades so that makes me question if Portland takes that deal, they got Jrue because they knew they could flip him due to his abilities for a contender
One of the other breakdown channels I follow is Jason Timpf (really smart dude) and he brought up an interesting point with Jrue guarding 5’s like KAT and Embiid. Both centers are very great offensive forces, but the weakness that has plagued them is making passes out of doubles. The theory behind Jrue guarding them is that he’ll be able to cause a lot of problems on these guys by fronting the post and using his low center of gravity to make things difficult until they get the catch or put the ball on the floor; then the help comes. i imagine when the Celtics play against Denver, Sac, and Miami that they wont have Jrue on their bigs because those 5s are much better at making quick decisions with the ball. Also, KAT was having a ROUGH start in this initial stretch, so putting Jrue Holiday on him was ruthless and resulted in probably his worst played game of the season lol
100%! also certain guys are physical mismatches for kp in the post so it makes more sense to have him bother big centers in help rather than strait up 1v1 - if they can* (to your/jason's point)
@@taylor7264 yeah I cant wait to see that Denver vs Boston matchup. I imagine Boston will go with KP and Horford in the starting lineup and put KP on Aaron Gordon so he cant help off of him. I think Jrue will honestly guard KCP or MPJ because Jrue is elite at navigating screens. Their first game against each other is in January so Jamal Murray should be healthy by then. That matchup could very likely be a finals preview.
@@taylor7264 It will somewhat be an extension of how they already play bigs. But many C's forwards and even Jrue will play a rotation of reps against Jokic at the perimeter. If Celtics can get KP to stay by the rim and not have to move and not compromise the defensive spacing, it will be a big win for them.
Beat writers at the game were surmising they started Jrue on Embiid so they could switch the Joel/Tyrese PnR instead of trying to have him chase over. Not to downplay his versatility, but against Joel his first goal is like tight ends blocking. "Just lose slowly" (cody this is a football reference).
As a 6'5" old man at the YMCA level player, I'd MUCH rather go against a taller guy than a really strong guy who is like 5" shorter. The place you have the advantage theoretically is that hyper lowpost power move bully ball thing but like.. who has those moves anymore? 😂
I think they also did it against the Lakers last season with Brogdon (not sure if it's him or White) guarding AD so when AD set a screen, the shot blocker (Timelord) will be still below the rim.
Marcus Smart used to do this for the Celtics. But, Jrue is the better overall player. If Grant Williams was still with the Celtics, this would also be his role.
Jrue is so defensively sound. I'm in Boston I'm ecstatic that hes with the celtics. I'm ok with the smart trade now. I was a little bummed we lost smart but picking up jrue was rgs best move for the celtics. As a team and a fan.
Jrue Holiday guarding a big is not an isolated incident. "Team X having smaller guy Y guard big man Z" has been done by many others to let team X's bigs sag to the paint. It is just that Jrue did not even deign to resort to drawing an offensive foul like every other guard would have. This shows the merit of denying space on a slower guy even if they tower over you and have a reputation of being able to knock down shots from afar.
I don't remember which game(s) it was but I remember Pop doing something similar to Porzingis with Wemby where his primary defensive assignment was a poor shooting perimeter player, and he was free to sink back into the paint as a help defender as needed. It seems like an emerging tactic to try to have your best shot blocker playing a roaming role as much as possible.
I noticed this from the Celtics when they had Marcus smart and grant will checking Giannis in the playoffs. they literally would wait until Giannis posted up and they'd flop every time effectively taking Giannis out of the post and since its harder for taller to dribble against shorter players it always works
pump the breaks. The title is click baity but Jokic is beyond an all-star center. Dude is a LEGIT unicorn and even the Sixers/Lakers had to throw a bunch of strong bigs and wings at him on rotation to try make him pick his poison with the ball at the perimeter. So they can leave their big shot blocker closer to the basket to contest.
Smaller guards are getting better defending size in general now. They used to not spend as much time at getting a strong powerful balanced base as they do now. (that said, there are still a ton of weak small guards who never learned to defend anything)
@@taylor7264 They might be getting worse generally, but like this video conveyed the ways in which smaller defenders are able to gain offensive fouls for routine post moves, make guys in the past who could bully (like Shaq/Ewing/etc.) not effective. This makes posting without fouling much harder against weaker defenders tougher for post ups today. For bigs who are skilled in the post AND can pass, (Jokic, Sabonis, Sengun and Duncan in the past) this just means they'll continue to feast.
@@simonribeiro7630 i disagree. guys like shaq would be more effective scoring in the post today than when they played. mainly bc there are less centers that are strong enough to bang w him. shaq made great passes out of doubles too but that has no bearing on whether or not he can post a mismatch 1v1 w/o getting called for an offensive foul. sure guys have become smarter/more crafty drawing fouls, but the game has evolved in a way that makes it easier for smaller defenders. shaq used to catch the ball w great inside position where he could just drop step and go up with tha ball - n if the defender was in the restricted area they couldn't draw charges. its totally diff today. look at the film they showed of modern bigs... it was siakam driving a close out and kat taking ppl off the dribble lol. ofc its easier for little guys to draw charges when bigs are trying to space n put the ball on the floor. even jokic (prob the best modern post up player) doesnt post in the paint often. he's running offense at the high post or they'll clear a side so he can iso 15-20ft from the basket. it works for him bc he can turn over his shoulder and hit shots from out there consistently and he has a decent handle. im a cs fan and ive loved jrue for yrs but theres no way in hell jrue holiday could guard shaq in the post😂 idc what era it is!
This works on centers without a good passing game. All Jrue has to do is bump long enough for Porzingis to get into the picture defensively and then it becomes a double team forcing up a bad shot or pass out. I doubt this strategy works well against Jokic.
@@Sotanath86q Facts. But there's other bigs not on his level but still have size and passing skill or the opposite end that have a lot of bounce that this will probably also fail against. Towns and Embiid are just the extremes of scoring bigs with lower passer vision that use strength over high flying that made them the perfect players to try this tactic against.
This is true because of Jokic's ability to pass and the Nuggets having elite cutters like Gordon. This strategy really works against bigs who can't pass out of doubles well.
Because Jimmy is basically a taller version of Jrue in term of body type (Strong lower body), core strenght and body control, and unlike bigs like KAT or Embiid, Jimmy is just as fast as Jrue, maybe even faster, so Jrue can’t beat him with his speed, and can’t beat him with his strenght in the post because Jimmy is 6’7 not 7ft so his center of gravity is lower … It’s the same with Lebron, i’ve seen Lebron bullying Jrue many times, and that’s because he has the perfect combination of size, athleticism, body control and of course skills. Jrue can lock down or slow down slow big men with poor handles like KAT, AD or Porzingis, or small guys without an elite off ball game like Dame, Kyrie or Trae Young, but he will struggle against big strong/athletic/skilled wings like Jimmy, Lebron, Doncic, KD, Giannis, Kawhi, PG or Zion, or against super athletic and skilled guards like ANT, SGA, Spida or Ja, or against elite shooters and off ball players like Curry ..
Pat Bev used to guard KD. Its nothing new for a smaller guy to guard a giant, especially today's giants like to face up and put the ball on the floor. They dribble high off the ground making it easier for smaller dudes like Jrue to knock it away.
Anyone who watched basketball in the past decade knew Jrue was an elite defender. He's been getting All-Defense votes for 12 years and has been considered one of the best defensive guards in the league the last 5.
I think they over hyped drue on embiid. Yes he held embiid to 27 pts on 50% shooting. With 6 to. However watch the game embiid adjusted to how he was being covered. Especially in the 3rd.
@@iri101 and so did I? When Jrue Guarded Joel he scored 2 points on him, fouls, switches and other factors have to be accounted into the 27 on 50% however when Holiday Guarded him it forced Joel to be a passer in some possessions and caused missed in other, if he scores in Tatum or anyone else is that Jrue’s fault?
The gap of Jrue's defense over Dame is far greater than the gap of Dame's offense over Jrue. Edit: love that the commenters are not saying anything about Dame's defense
Everyone here doesn’t know how defense works possession by possession, the literal videos says when he guarded him he only scored 2 points on him, just cause he scored 27 on 50% doesn’t mean he did it on Jrue Holiday, this is why defense is hard to award because the media doesn’t know what they are watching and so do fans that only watch one side of the ball
Smart isn't really a guard though. Yes, Jrue is better -- slightly -- at all the traditional guard defense things like on ball defense, screen navigation and chasing. In a one-on-one matchup he is the best defensive guard. But the game is five-on-five Marcus is significantly better off ball and as a traffic cop and it's just more mathematically valuable to prevent layups than to decrease jumpshot efficiency. (Which Marcus also does; go look up Steph's shooting numbers against him.) But Marcus is a big who is 6'3" more than a guard. He plays like Draymond and KG. Sniffing out threats and deterring drives and filling in cracks in real time because he's reading the game so fast.
So so many celtics fans complaining about mazulla putting him on Embiid after the loss but every possession I saw minus the dunk looked extremely hard for embiid
When Porzingus was in NY and Smart was in Boston, Smart guarded KP and in those 2 games KP has his worst 2 games of the year that season. It was a drastic drop in production while guarded by Smart, and it was because Smart kept pressing up on his legs ans KP couldn't move and if he brought the ball down it would make Smart strip it from him. It was a master class of how to guard a giant with a guard.
Even when KP was with the Mavs there is film where he was trying to back down Smart in mid range. And he couldn't move Smart back at all. He had to settle for his janky fade away jumpers with no real balance to it and the shots clanked at the rim.
There's a lot left out of context in this game. So to be fair, I felt Embiid rushed a couple of these possessions because of the uniqueness of the look. That's not happening again. For example, the drop-step hook is absolutely the shot we wanted. The touch wasn't there and it missed. But what they don't talk about is how unconventional this front is and what it opens up: The 3-ball. We were like 3(or 4)-for everything from 3. If that doesn't happen again, both Maxey/Embiid are capable of hitting the cross pass to 'shooters'(I want my 76ers to go out and acquire some shooters because right now, the aforementioned big-2 basically carry 50% of our 3pt shooting.). The look annoyed Joel/76ers, but it did not impede our offense. If/when we see it again, it won't be nearly as 'effective'. Gimmicks like that only work the first time you see them.
The Celtics have been the 1 or 2 best team in the league for about 5 years. The fact they haven’t closed the deal is amazing. But now the team is just ridiculous. I cannot imagine anyone beating them. The Holiday pickup was just defensive icing on the cake.
Holiday is in a great place right now. Unlike his previous teams, boston doesn't need him to also be an 18-20pt scorer. So he can focus on playmaking and defense
As a Celtics fan, I was always nervous when Jrue got the ball. I didn't realise how little the bucks valued him. I bet the Clippers would love to have traded for Jrue instead of Harden
Bucks valued Jrue. But they valued him a little too much after 2021. He ended up being the 2nd/3rd option on offense while still being the perimeter anchor. I feel it put too much on him especially when Middleton wasn't playing up to level in the playoffs. With the Celtics he can be more unleashed on defense because the Jays and KP are more of the options on offense.
Ben said it best in his Chet Holmgren video. There are 'unicorn bigs' in the league who are just parading as tall 3&D players. So it makes sense to treat them as such when they get the ball at the perimeter and especially if you have a strong guard who can play defense against them.
Honestly the Celtics have been doing this for a while with people like Smart and Grant Williams. Putting “smaller” guys on big men and letting them use pure strength in the post to make up for height. Jrue is just on another level though.
If the sixers really wanted to compete this year, considering KO Jr.'s situation, they should acquire a 2-way player that could match a player like Jrue. If they could get Caruso and/or OG, that would be great.
We all know how good Jrue is, but where is the Derrick white video? Best rim protecting/ help defensive guard ever. Great ceiling raiser on offensive even without scoring 20. Should be getting just as much love as Jrue and you should help with your platform
Makes me really realize how good Jimmy butler was in these past playoffs when he torched the entire east including Jrue Holiday. No hate on neither they're both AMAZING talents.
Towns gets a terrible whistle. Holiday cutting into his path and forcing the contact is a textbook blocking foul. 2nd one Holiday very clearly has 2 hands on hip... that's a foul but is ignored as he swipes him off for the offensive foul.
The level of versatility Jrue brings to a defence is honestly incredible
Except when Jimmy Butler averaged 37 ppg on 60% FG on his head last playoffs lol.
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@@NothingElseMattersJMhe couldnt do the same on the nuggets who were a far worse defensive team?
@@woo_shynen8805 He was too passive and didn’t trust his jumper against the Nuggets.
Maxey was cooking him
players like Holiday and Caruso are such a joy to watch, as good as the positionless offensive game has gotten players like them are to be treasured
Fr, but idk what is changing for Boston. Last year Smart, Horford, and Grant were the primary defenders on Embiid. Now it’s Holiday and Horford. Not much changed, just Holiday is a better version of Smart.
Caruso? 😂 knock it off
This is insane, and KAT's visible frustration makes it even better.
While it is impressive, to be fair, it's not difficult to frustrate KAT (I'm a wolves fan, lol).
Yeah, He seems pissed alot.
KAT gets locked up by undersized players in the post all time
Yeah kat is a big softie
I've been waiting for a Jrue DPOY season for so long now. I really think this could be the year
With wemby this year… i think he is the favorite
Stop it ….
@@CSDonohue11is not that bad of a take honestly
@@atlast7928 don’t let 1 video get you all out of wack
He should have won it at least 3 times imma be honest. Almost every player in the NBA knows Jrue is the best.
Man I wish Jrue got this much coverage in MIL! Us bucks fans knew how big a loss this was and the trade off for Dame's offense was gonna be rough. Not THIS rough but man I wish Jrue the best. He's great on defense and his post bully ball is fantastic on offense. He's also incredible in the community, he and his wife are missed in Milwaukee.
I still miss having him in NOLA
Dame is a loser lol
I don't think anyone expected it to be this bad. I was defending the trade lol. Not anymore 😂
But it's fixable. Need to bring in some perimeter defense by Feb and you will be in a better spot for sure.
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@@Masoch1stI think the issue is compounded by the coach trying to give the bucks a new defensive identity. A lot changed fast for bucks.
Jrue, Giannis, and Brook would often cover for any defensive lapses on the floor with just pure talent, instinct, and athleticism. The coach is changing defensive schemes in hopes of better results but it’s just no clicking at this point in time, especially with Dame replacing Jrue.
I love KAT's signature move: fake left, drive right, then complain to the refs
I'm a wolves fan, this made me laugh way too hard xD
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Jrue Holiday is just an unreal athlete. I've never enjoyed watching defense so much. Just pure art and athleticism.
Jrue and D-White together is great to watch and they are competitive with eachother about their defense
I love Jrue/Draymond players.
Doesn't matter at all their actual stats/numbers as they add SO much with intangibles.
I’m glad you guys had analysis on this. Bostons defensive versatility & schemes with Jrue will be a sight to see!
Jrue is an elite athlete and his strength is insane
Its pretty incredible that the Brad Stevens flipped Marcus Smart for three first rounders and got Porzingis in return as well. Then he flipped two firsts, Time Lord and matching salary for Jrue, who essentially plays the Smart role with better offence.
Yeah agreed I miss time lord though but kp has been great and we want to win now.
Jrue has been underrated his entire career.
He’s no now. Look at the hole he left in Milwaukee.
I’m so glad this part of the podcast made it onto the channel, I really enjoyed this episode!
Jrue Holiday has energy paired with versatility and intelligence to defend every position also underrated athleticism 😮
While the BOS raise up to even higher peaks...Bucks went downhill.
The bucks underestimate the massive impact Jrue got for them in both side of the court.
Bucks never underestimated the defensive impact of Jrue, but they understood that having a guard like Jrue run the offense was not going to result in another chip.
@@devinchinchilla7804it's a personnel issue for the Bucks. The Celtics have so much skill on and off the ball that they don't need an elite playmaker. He hustles just as hard as Smart, but he doesn't take a bunch of crunchtime shots.
What are these high peaks? Sixers beat the celtics but lost to the bucks chief. 😂
@@devinchinchilla7804Jrue literally won yall that chip. Overrated Giannis has been bounced in the 2nd round or earlier his entire career then Jrue came in and won yall a ring in his first year
@@jdrmanmusiqking Bucks with Giannis, Khris, Jrue and Brook would have won multiple Chips. Jrue wasn't the reason we didn't win them it was Khris that held us back due to injury. Problem is Khris is still hurt and Bucks with no offensive firepower outside of Giannis gets beat vs good teams in the playoffs. We've been a defensive juggernaut for half a decade and just having elite defense isn't enough to win Chips. When Dame is playing Bucks are still an incredible team but I'm afraid our new Coach will be fired in next ten games unless he figures unless he can right the ship quick fast and in a hurry.
Ive been saying this since 2020 this channel should be the official channel of NBA. If channels like these were NBA partners, NBA would be almost as popular as NFL.
Nah people don't want real breakdowns and discussions. Not the masses anyway.
Now if the NBA played 40 games only 3-4 nights per week and cleaned up all the foul drawing on both sides and the stars played every night then maybe they could catch the NFL
If the NBA YT channel can clean up their frickin playlist of game highlights so its not a mess to catch up, that would be a start among other poor things the NBA has for media. In comparison to what the NFL YT channel has done with organizing videos and what not, its no reason why they are light years ahead of the NBA in organizing and showcasing media. NFL being more popular is because they are more efficient with what they do for the schedule/competition in 5 months (and another 3-4 months of offseason coverage via draft, FA) than the NBA does with 6-7 months where nobody cares about games until after Christmas.
I expect jrue to have one of his best defensive seasons on the celtics. On the bucks, we asked him to be the 3rd or 2nd option on offense while also guarding the best perimeter player. Giannis even talked about how we asked to much from him to guard the best player and run the offense as the point guard. Hes going to shine now since he is like the 4th or 5th option on offense now.
I think that is the big difference with his role for the Celtics this year. Jrue at times with the Bucks had to play 2nd option along with being the defensive anchor when injuries leave out Middleton. Bucks don't have anyone great to really step up from the depth charts. If the Celtics stay healthy, Jrue can spend more of his energy being a swiss-army stopper along with doing little things while the Jays attack the basket on offense and KP is the perimeter catch and shoot threat.
This is why ive always liked strong guards they areso much more versatile
The Bucks gained one of the best offensive players ever - sure. But they got rid of a very good offensive player and a defensive beast. They (bucks) had no holes in their defense unlike the Celtics (to small) and now they have a huge weakness and Boston has no weakness on defense and got better on the offensive end.
The Bucks had to make that trade. Jrue wasn't a good offensive player during his Bucks tenure. During the regular season he was great, but as soon as the playoffs began, his offense fell off a cliff. Just look at the numbers. They were really bad.
We also have to wait and see with the Bucks. They played an offensive and defensive scheme for half a decade and now have to adapt to a new system. Whereas Boston situation is basically plug and play because there offensive core remained largely the same. Jrue basically took Smart's role while Porzingis has a similar role that Horford had.
incorrect! lol - on a couple things at least. the bucks have had a prob guarding elite wings since pj tucker left. also boston wasnt too small. last time they matched up, grant al and smart held giannis 10% below his shooting averages even tho the counting numbers looked great (and that was w/o a healthy rob roaming in help - which was what made their defense so good that yr).
@@NeoctixSpot On. Losing one of the best guard defenders in the league will obviously hurt but Jrue was being forced to play out of his element come playoff time, & try to be a 2nd Option Offensively. Now in Boston he’s a 4th Option so he can focus on Defense & Playmaking more
u been smoking something..... everyone agrees Boston was to small (way to small) but you, and tucker aint got nothing on Holiday, and U must really have problems because Smart didn't hold anyone to anything because he was getting humiliated every time down the court guarding big men and gettign smashed... Giannis can;t dribble witch is the saddest thing and he should have been able to lock him down, but the rest of them did do okay.... Do urself a favor and don't call someone wrong when you have no clue... or u do but you like to lie to yourself...
What happened in the Playoffs is Porter jumped Holiday (middleton started having injury problems) so JD had some bad stretches on offense, but he is a real good offensive player, and i do feel like he was having a hard time adjusting. but Porter came out of nowhere to become a strong contributor because when I saw him the first time I was like "WHO IS THIS BROTHER". If Middleton could have stayed healthy and if the whole team could get to less touches to be in rythem this team would have been fun to watch.
There's a reason why when KD was asked who was the best defender in the league, he answered with Drue's name.
The Timberwolves game, you have to keep in mind that Gobert is limited at the offensive end, so he is in the post; that means for spacing KAT is on the perimeter. So Jrue guarding KAT on the perimeter makes sense.
If it was a shooting big I think KP would still play help/run him at the perimeter either way. The key thing is that many of the face up bigs just can't punish a strong smaller defender like Smart/Holiday catching the ball from the perimeter. And KP is always hanging at dunker spot which is a good preferred position for him. Even with Embiid and his lackluster ability to split double teams coming to him, who else is he going to pass out to punish the Celtics for putting Jrue on him like that?
Love these types of videos
Embiid needs to employ bully ball much more often. He stubbornly insists on trying to prove his dribbling/slashing skills which he all know he has, but doesn't need to utilize in most situations. He needs to release his inner Shaq against smaller/weaker defenders.
So the issue I have with this concept is that it allows the defender to foul away when facing a bigger offensive player with total impunity. Holiday should have fouled out but the refs are trying to let them play by giving a huge advantage in physicality to the smaller player. Even the "offensive foul" Jrue openly hand checks with total impunity when Towns gets the step & uses that to recover with his speed advantage. These small advantages nullified by referee bias of size is what will doom the league if they dont address it. Youll end up with 5'10 hacks on defense guarding 6'3 centers on offense. You see it with Jokic, Embiid & even Wemby this early. The NBA is taxing the size advantage & it is screwing teams built around a big man. Jokic avoids this by using his off arm as a weapon to initiate contact & clear out when someone smaller is on him. IDK why that isnt called as much considering how much he hooks by his defender. Embiid commands a double no matter what so it doesnt work as well. Someone like Wemby? They stand no chance if a 6'5 F can hand check his advantage of length. Excessive physicality benefitting the other team, especially without a skill aspect to it, muddies up the game.
I've noticed this too. The refs basically turn a blind eye to hanchecking if the defender is smaller than the ball handler. This has been the case for YEARS yet people think the game is just immune to defense against big players.
Ngl yeah they concept even falls on larger players who aren't big men like LeBron for instance
I know Dame brings more to our offense but I’m still mad about letting Jrue go. We literally won with him.
They should've traded away Middleton and kept Jrue
@@thenorthremembers728honestly I was against this cause I was SUCH a Middleton fan in 2021 & 2022, but I’ve faced reality. The dude is straight up washed. But the thing is Jrue has immensely more value than Khris when it comes to trades so that makes me question if Portland takes that deal, they got Jrue because they knew they could flip him due to his abilities for a contender
You have the freak to thank for that.
Yeah even if it works out In Milwaukee, how do you trade a guy who was loyal and you already won with
@@MrCcsboy yeah as a fan I’m totally disappointed in the organization and Giannis.
One of the other breakdown channels I follow is Jason Timpf (really smart dude) and he brought up an interesting point with Jrue guarding 5’s like KAT and Embiid. Both centers are very great offensive forces, but the weakness that has plagued them is making passes out of doubles. The theory behind Jrue guarding them is that he’ll be able to cause a lot of problems on these guys by fronting the post and using his low center of gravity to make things difficult until they get the catch or put the ball on the floor; then the help comes. i imagine when the Celtics play against Denver, Sac, and Miami that they wont have Jrue on their bigs because those 5s are much better at making quick decisions with the ball.
Also, KAT was having a ROUGH start in this initial stretch, so putting Jrue Holiday on him was ruthless and resulted in probably his worst played game of the season lol
100%! also certain guys are physical mismatches for kp in the post so it makes more sense to have him bother big centers in help rather than strait up 1v1 - if they can* (to your/jason's point)
cant wait to see what they do against denver. its going to be chess
I love Jason lol
@@taylor7264 yeah I cant wait to see that Denver vs Boston matchup. I imagine Boston will go with KP and Horford in the starting lineup and put KP on Aaron Gordon so he cant help off of him. I think Jrue will honestly guard KCP or MPJ because Jrue is elite at navigating screens. Their first game against each other is in January so Jamal Murray should be healthy by then. That matchup could very likely be a finals preview.
@@taylor7264 It will somewhat be an extension of how they already play bigs. But many C's forwards and even Jrue will play a rotation of reps against Jokic at the perimeter. If Celtics can get KP to stay by the rim and not have to move and not compromise the defensive spacing, it will be a big win for them.
Beat writers at the game were surmising they started Jrue on Embiid so they could switch the Joel/Tyrese PnR instead of trying to have him chase over. Not to downplay his versatility, but against Joel his first goal is like tight ends blocking. "Just lose slowly" (cody this is a football reference).
This video highlights the disdain I have for floppers and watching bigs get shoved and elbowed to then be assessed a foul from a slight shouldering
love these podcast segments. keep em coming!
As a 6'5" old man at the YMCA level player, I'd MUCH rather go against a taller guy than a really strong guy who is like 5" shorter.
The place you have the advantage theoretically is that hyper lowpost power move bully ball thing but like.. who has those moves anymore? 😂
"Jrue Holiday, captain of the leg team" 😂
I think they also did it against the Lakers last season with Brogdon (not sure if it's him or White) guarding AD so when AD set a screen, the shot blocker (Timelord) will be still below the rim.
This is what Bruce Bowen and Shawn Marion did to Dirk until he learned how to attack the matchup
POV: its 2100 and the only way to beat an oversized team of 5 unicorns is with 5 jrue holidays
Since Embiid and KaT doesnt post up a lot.....Putting Jrue Holiday makes sense
Marcus Smart used to do this for the Celtics. But, Jrue is the better overall player. If Grant Williams was still with the Celtics, this would also be his role.
Jrue is incredible
2:17 "offensive fouls that he JRUE" 🙂
Jrue Holiday BEST FIT in Boston 💪🔥💪
Big fan of Jrue & KP!
Jrue is so defensively sound. I'm in Boston I'm ecstatic that hes with the celtics. I'm ok with the smart trade now. I was a little bummed we lost smart but picking up jrue was rgs best move for the celtics. As a team and a fan.
8:10 you hit the nail on the head. I much rather watch pros play basketball and guard instead of acting (flopping)
Jrue Holiday guarding a big is not an isolated incident. "Team X having smaller guy Y guard big man Z" has been done by many others to let team X's bigs sag to the paint. It is just that Jrue did not even deign to resort to drawing an offensive foul like every other guard would have.
This shows the merit of denying space on a slower guy even if they tower over you and have a reputation of being able to knock down shots from afar.
I don't remember which game(s) it was but I remember Pop doing something similar to Porzingis with Wemby where his primary defensive assignment was a poor shooting perimeter player, and he was free to sink back into the paint as a help defender as needed. It seems like an emerging tactic to try to have your best shot blocker playing a roaming role as much as possible.
Ben why haven’t you made a top 10 players list in 2 years??:( I’ll still take one from 2021 just for the love
I noticed this from the Celtics when they had Marcus smart and grant will checking Giannis in the playoffs. they literally would wait until Giannis posted up and they'd flop every time effectively taking Giannis out of the post and since its harder for taller to dribble against shorter players it always works
The thing is Jrue isn’t small he is like 210 and of muscle so he can absorb contact better same with smart who was like 225
Jrue DPOY Let's Go!!
Jrue is Underrated. But we need to wait for the playoffs...
i think mazzula will drill it into jrue that flopping like smart does helps against bigs like bam and embiid
Put him on Jokic lol. That's BBQ chicken and ribs
This guys in another's planets defensively!!
Even Dirk Nowitzki, granted he was past his prime, avoided posting up Jrue because he just wasn’t a mismatch.
Jeeeezus Jrue deadass locked the boy down 😵💫
I wanna see him guard Jokic 😂😂
He has not like this tho
He can't. No one can...
Yeah that probably wouldn't work, because Jokic is not trying to put dribble moves on anyone, he would just "bulk" him in the paint.
@@richatlarge462 he’s too smart and tall to double I’d love to see it tho for one possession at least
pump the breaks. The title is click baity but Jokic is beyond an all-star center. Dude is a LEGIT unicorn and even the Sixers/Lakers had to throw a bunch of strong bigs and wings at him on rotation to try make him pick his poison with the ball at the perimeter. So they can leave their big shot blocker closer to the basket to contest.
Smaller guards are getting better defending size in general now. They used to not spend as much time at getting a strong powerful balanced base as they do now. (that said, there are still a ton of weak small guards who never learned to defend anything)
same time bigs are getting worse posting up. chicken or the egg?
@@taylor7264they are??
@@yuhhtempo come on mane. I’m just saying we have to paint the full picture
@@taylor7264 They might be getting worse generally, but like this video conveyed the ways in which smaller defenders are able to gain offensive fouls for routine post moves, make guys in the past who could bully (like Shaq/Ewing/etc.) not effective. This makes posting without fouling much harder against weaker defenders tougher for post ups today. For bigs who are skilled in the post AND can pass, (Jokic, Sabonis, Sengun and Duncan in the past) this just means they'll continue to feast.
@@simonribeiro7630 i disagree. guys like shaq would be more effective scoring in the post today than when they played. mainly bc there are less centers that are strong enough to bang w him. shaq made great passes out of doubles too but that has no bearing on whether or not he can post a mismatch 1v1 w/o getting called for an offensive foul.
sure guys have become smarter/more crafty drawing fouls, but the game has evolved in a way that makes it easier for smaller defenders. shaq used to catch the ball w great inside position where he could just drop step and go up with tha ball - n if the defender was in the restricted area they couldn't draw charges. its totally diff today. look at the film they showed of modern bigs... it was siakam driving a close out and kat taking ppl off the dribble lol. ofc its easier for little guys to draw charges when bigs are trying to space n put the ball on the floor. even jokic (prob the best modern post up player) doesnt post in the paint often. he's running offense at the high post or they'll clear a side so he can iso 15-20ft from the basket. it works for him bc he can turn over his shoulder and hit shots from out there consistently and he has a decent handle.
im a cs fan and ive loved jrue for yrs but theres no way in hell jrue holiday could guard shaq in the post😂 idc what era it is!
It’s crazy to me that Marcus Smart won a DPOY before Jrue
They are both on par defensively, Smart can do anything Jrue can
This works on centers without a good passing game. All Jrue has to do is bump long enough for Porzingis to get into the picture defensively and then it becomes a double team forcing up a bad shot or pass out. I doubt this strategy works well against Jokic.
yeah but nothing works well against Jokic
@@Sotanath86q Facts. But there's other bigs not on his level but still have size and passing skill or the opposite end that have a lot of bounce that this will probably also fail against. Towns and Embiid are just the extremes of scoring bigs with lower passer vision that use strength over high flying that made them the perfect players to try this tactic against.
I'll be curious to see if they try putting Jrue on Jokic. I don't see that matchup ending well for the Celtics.
This is true because of Jokic's ability to pass and the Nuggets having elite cutters like Gordon. This strategy really works against bigs who can't pass out of doubles well.
*HOW THE HELL DID JIMMY BUTLER SCHOOL THIS GUY IN THE '23 ECR1!?*
just crazy shot making really, not much u can do when players are hitting crazy step backs
HOW THE HELL DID JIMMY FORGOT TO PLAY BBALL AGAINST THE NUGGETS AND ALMOST GOT SWEPT?!
Because Jimmy is basically a taller version of Jrue in term of body type (Strong lower body), core strenght and body control, and unlike bigs like KAT or Embiid, Jimmy is just as fast as Jrue, maybe even faster, so Jrue can’t beat him with his speed, and can’t beat him with his strenght in the post because Jimmy is 6’7 not 7ft so his center of gravity is lower … It’s the same with Lebron, i’ve seen Lebron bullying Jrue many times, and that’s because he has the perfect combination of size, athleticism, body control and of course skills.
Jrue can lock down or slow down slow big men with poor handles like KAT, AD or Porzingis, or small guys without an elite off ball game like Dame, Kyrie or Trae Young, but he will struggle against big strong/athletic/skilled wings like Jimmy, Lebron, Doncic, KD, Giannis, Kawhi, PG or Zion, or against super athletic and skilled guards like ANT, SGA, Spida or Ja, or against elite shooters and off ball players like Curry ..
@@Anthonydu01630actual analysis 🥹. Bravo my man
Cause he’s him
5:45 tell that to the people who guard Nicola Jokić
Pat Bev used to guard KD. Its nothing new for a smaller guy to guard a giant, especially today's giants like to face up and put the ball on the floor. They dribble high off the ground making it easier for smaller dudes like Jrue to knock it away.
The difference is Pat Bev was crying in the post game interview, where as Jrue actually won his match up.
you can't get physical with the guards... you have to be extremely skilled to score as a big man on Jrue.
This reminds me so much of the 76ers last season when they put PJ on Jokic and let Emiid roam
We always knew this lol. Anyway who watched the Bucks knew that Jrue was an elite defender
Anyone who watched basketball in the past decade knew Jrue was an elite defender.
He's been getting All-Defense votes for 12 years and has been considered one of the best defensive guards in the league the last 5.
He did a great job on Jimmy too!!
I think they over hyped drue on embiid. Yes he held embiid to 27 pts on 50% shooting. With 6 to. However watch the game embiid adjusted to how he was being covered. Especially in the 3rd.
Did you not see the video when Jrue Holiday guarded him he only scored 2 points, which was the drop step, he accounted for 2 points out of his 27
@@Sizzle-uj6xl I watched the game.
@@iri101 and so did I? When Jrue Guarded Joel he scored 2 points on him, fouls, switches and other factors have to be accounted into the 27 on 50% however when Holiday Guarded him it forced Joel to be a passer in some possessions and caused missed in other, if he scores in Tatum or anyone else is that Jrue’s fault?
@@Sizzle-uj6xl Jimmy Butler 👀
I really read the thumbnail as 'blowing Embiid' and went like, kind of a weird joke coming from Ben but alright lets see it
The gap of Jrue's defense over Dame is far greater than the gap of Dame's offense over Jrue.
Edit: love that the commenters are not saying anything about Dame's defense
Yeah wait until the playoffs when he can’t hit a shot and gets abused all night long by jimmy butler
Lol jrue is absolutely useless in the playoffs. Enjoy the reg season tho
@@ballinboxer3676 have fun w 0 D dame :) i’ll take jrue as our 5th option
@@tannerholt3426 That's funny cause Jrue is also absolutely useless on defense in the playoffs lmao but again, enjoy the reg season
@@ballinboxer3676typical bucks fan don’t even appreciate what he did for yall lol poverty franchise
CP3 guarded OKC KD and flummoxed him
Shorter defenders are hard to dribble around!
My point guard 😤
Everyone here doesn’t know how defense works possession by possession, the literal videos says when he guarded him he only scored 2 points on him, just cause he scored 27 on 50% doesn’t mean he did it on Jrue Holiday, this is why defense is hard to award because the media doesn’t know what they are watching and so do fans that only watch one side of the ball
There isn’t a single one of those plays where there isn’t a double team or help defense. Nice try though lol.
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I still think he was the best defensive guard the year Smart won DPOY glad people can see it.
Smart isn't really a guard though.
Yes, Jrue is better -- slightly -- at all the traditional guard defense things like on ball defense, screen navigation and chasing. In a one-on-one matchup he is the best defensive guard. But the game is five-on-five
Marcus is significantly better off ball and as a traffic cop and it's just more mathematically valuable to prevent layups than to decrease jumpshot efficiency. (Which Marcus also does; go look up Steph's shooting numbers against him.)
But Marcus is a big who is 6'3" more than a guard. He plays like Draymond and KG. Sniffing out threats and deterring drives and filling in cracks in real time because he's reading the game so fast.
Do the top 10 players vid plsssss
Thinking! I love your hair dawg
UCLA legend. We love you Jrue! 💙💛
they got the idea from coach tim of gilas pilipinas where he gave a 6'4 guard dwight ramos the assignment of guarding Dominican rep's KAT
So so many celtics fans complaining about mazulla putting him on Embiid after the loss but every possession I saw minus the dunk looked extremely hard for embiid
When Porzingus was in NY and Smart was in Boston, Smart guarded KP and in those 2 games KP has his worst 2 games of the year that season. It was a drastic drop in production while guarded by Smart, and it was because Smart kept pressing up on his legs ans KP couldn't move and if he brought the ball down it would make Smart strip it from him. It was a master class of how to guard a giant with a guard.
Even when KP was with the Mavs there is film where he was trying to back down Smart in mid range. And he couldn't move Smart back at all. He had to settle for his janky fade away jumpers with no real balance to it and the shots clanked at the rim.
Huh, so Jrue can in fact impede Embiid.
Impede Embiid LMAO
There's a lot left out of context in this game. So to be fair, I felt Embiid rushed a couple of these possessions because of the uniqueness of the look. That's not happening again. For example, the drop-step hook is absolutely the shot we wanted. The touch wasn't there and it missed.
But what they don't talk about is how unconventional this front is and what it opens up: The 3-ball. We were like 3(or 4)-for everything from 3. If that doesn't happen again, both Maxey/Embiid are capable of hitting the cross pass to 'shooters'(I want my 76ers to go out and acquire some shooters because right now, the aforementioned big-2 basically carry 50% of our 3pt shooting.).
The look annoyed Joel/76ers, but it did not impede our offense. If/when we see it again, it won't be nearly as 'effective'. Gimmicks like that only work the first time you see them.
I can't believe the Celtics got him. This is the worst timeline.
If they win and the bucks lose again in the 1st rd the memes and karma will be glorious
@@neospiderman2165I’m hoping
Best timeline for C’s fans
The Celtics have been the 1 or 2 best team in the league for about 5 years. The fact they haven’t closed the deal is amazing. But now the team is just ridiculous. I cannot imagine anyone beating them. The Holiday pickup was just defensive icing on the cake.
@@aguyfromnothere slow down man, there are still nuggets out there, who are hard to beat in 4 games
Holiday is in a great place right now. Unlike his previous teams, boston doesn't need him to also be an 18-20pt scorer. So he can focus on playmaking and defense
As a Celtics fan, I was always nervous when Jrue got the ball. I didn't realise how little the bucks valued him.
I bet the Clippers would love to have traded for Jrue instead of Harden
Bucks valued Jrue. But they valued him a little too much after 2021. He ended up being the 2nd/3rd option on offense while still being the perimeter anchor. I feel it put too much on him especially when Middleton wasn't playing up to level in the playoffs. With the Celtics he can be more unleashed on defense because the Jays and KP are more of the options on offense.
cool video. OG did this a week earlier
That’s what happens when your center doesn’t play like a center. He gets shut down by a guard.
Ben said it best in his Chet Holmgren video. There are 'unicorn bigs' in the league who are just parading as tall 3&D players. So it makes sense to treat them as such when they get the ball at the perimeter and especially if you have a strong guard who can play defense against them.
Marcus Smart has been doing this
No he hasn’t
He had KAT in an absolute blender. That’s hilarious. Somewhere Jimmy Butler is laughing
You can't just power through.
Giannis: Hold my beer.
Bucks fans don't seem to remember reps where Smart also frustrated Giannis for stretches defending him inside.
Honestly the Celtics have been doing this for a while with people like Smart and Grant Williams. Putting “smaller” guys on big men and letting them use pure strength in the post to make up for height. Jrue is just on another level though.
Jrue had the opportunity to play 1v1 against big men like Giannis, Lopez or Portis.
If the sixers really wanted to compete this year, considering KO Jr.'s situation, they should acquire a 2-way player that could match a player like Jrue. If they could get Caruso and/or OG, that would be great.
We all know how good Jrue is, but where is the Derrick white video? Best rim protecting/ help defensive guard ever. Great ceiling raiser on offensive even without scoring 20. Should be getting just as much love as Jrue and you should help with your platform
Oldskool star centers: BBQ CHICKEN ALERT!!😂😂😂
Where was this coverage in MIL smh.
So this is where Steve Kerr got the idea for Klay Thompson to start gusrdinh powerforwards
Makes me really realize how good Jimmy butler was in these past playoffs when he torched the entire east including Jrue Holiday. No hate on neither they're both AMAZING talents.
Towns gets a terrible whistle. Holiday cutting into his path and forcing the contact is a textbook blocking foul. 2nd one Holiday very clearly has 2 hands on hip... that's a foul but is ignored as he swipes him off for the offensive foul.
Really looking forward to Celtics v. Nuggets in the Finals.