I remember when I was a kid, I used to watch Batman: TAS and Star Trek TNG back to back every weekday. As a nine year old I had an abundance of things presented to me in fiction that challenged me to think about the world in different ways. It's sad that kids nowadays have practically nothing to watch that actually takes shit seriously, it's like all of media is trying to teach them that nothing is worth thinking about, it's all about hyperactive gags and stimulating emotions in shallow, meaningless ways.
I totally agree take the CW heroes for example. There's no logic or learning just over the top emotional dribble. That has finally caught up them. Anyway Star Trek is definitely dead and I won't worry about strange new worlds until kurtzman is out because no one base on the numbers anybody going to finance it
@@cliffordterrell957 supernatural is a great example of your comment. Seasons 1-5 were gold, then the preaching came, the wokeness, the endless bickering between Sam and Dean that was the same three arguments all the way to season 15. It blows my mind how trash the CW has become
@Optimus Prime I'm not sure what's upbeat about LD. The trailer is a series of unfunny jokes. I know a lot of 8 year olds (I happen to be a teacher) who are more mature than the so-called characters in LD.
Yeah but Vice City was good so no one cared lol hell I literally just went back to it to cruse around and relax the other day, and also go the Neros77 channel too FYI lol GTA 5's Radio Chatter, DJ's, Bad Traffic, Assonine pedestrians, and terrible characters that no one likes (save for Trevor) however can go straight to hell lol
@@kavinskysmith4094 They might well be... I just remember having to battle in what appeared to be Scarface's old house and upon completion, the copter was on the roof and flying that thing made me feel rich. A feat no game before or since replacates that first buzz flying around in my "made it" chopper. lol.
My Effulgent Hairy Balls say That’s just because you were young and never flew a helicopter in a game before. For me it was San Andreas’ jet pack from the desert airport.
Even though the early episodes were occasionally hit-or-miss, any good series tends to need a little time to find its focus. (Even Spock in TOS was more human the first few episodes.) But TNG improved, found its winning formula and did not deviate from it, and that is why it is the epic series it is. And then PICARD came along and squandered the goodwill. Captain Picard, you deserved better than what you got.
I usually agree with the drinker but this time you may have been premature with this one. I binged this show after getting Paramount plus for the sole reason of watching the DE of Star Trek-TMP. Now while I agree Picard and Discovery are almost unbearable to watch, this show made me laugh and I thought it really picked up by mid-season one and continued through season two. Being animated you can do a lot more and there are so many fun Easter eggs and call backs to prior Star Trek shows, including TAS. Sober up my friend and give it another shot. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
@@jonoctopie2779 No, he is a Trek purist. LD is saddening if this is how it has to be - giving Futurama humor a Trek franchise paint. It's kinda like watching Wrath of Khan but with shaking camera and 50% lens flares on screen all the time. - It's just not a feasible mix. BTW, I like Picard (relatively much), but LD I could only endure half a season or so.
Early Drinker: "As always thank you for your time and hope you enjoyed the video." Later Drinker: "That's all I have for today....go away now." Modern Drinker: "Anyway whatever leave me alone." No better reflection of the progression of a career in modern media criticism.
Can't say I blame him. Star Trek was a great "universe", with good characters, compelling stories, and some pretty decent acting. WAS. Now, it's turned into shyte, ruined by "agendas", destruction of everything that made it great, and ignoring what the fans want, in favor of trying to...hell, I don't even know what they're trying to do. But what I do know is, the last few years have seen the destruction of every single franchise that was once considered great. Aliens, Terminator, Predator, Star Wars, Star Trek...all of them torn down, destroyed, reduced to sad, pathetic parodies of what once made them great. I'm not one for conspiracies, but I can't shake the feeling that this is all deliberate.
I know this was released as a reaction to the trailer, but honestly - I really REALLY enjoyed the first two seasons of Lower Decks. The adage that this was aimed at kids is not really accurate - it's for adults. Prodigy is for the kids. Would like to see a reaction video now that two seasons have gone by and see if you still have the same opinion?
I am also very curious what he thinks now. The show is really fun and pokes fun of trek in ways that a true fan would. "Did you just say sen-soars?" The male characters aren't weak to female character look strong. The character development for them is awesome. Brad's character arc is amazing, you can't not love The Boims. We are watching him grow into trek legend material.
@@longshot5866 I think he would say the same thing, but rather that they bank more on memes and nostalgia as they made Trek into a comedy, when it was serious with occasional quest themes (TOS), existential meaning (TNG) or serious political threads (DS9). Something like "yeah you might be Trekkies, however this series is aimed at post-millennial humour, a new Trek audience with some homages, but what you're making isn't Trek because Trek isn't slapstick and it would require trying to ignore how incompetent these people are for the sake of the plot". Then probably reference The Orville as doing a better version because it's an original IP that found an audience and went with it without messing up Trek canon (to the Drinker, canon and continuity loyalty in the sense of treating it with respect is huge).
@@TheKnightOfSmite Makes me think of the South Park term "memberberries". It works, I suppose. I sure watched the show and got pulled in however it was not TOS, TNG and DS9 levels of contextual depth.
"people used to watch star trek because it was smart, toughtful and engaging" yep, correct. And that's exactly what's missing from all the latest trek incarnation
Everything in the latests versions end in combat, always combat. And if they TRY some personal or crew issues, it's so bland and easy solutions ... Like no philosophical stuff, no reflections on real life dynamics with issues ( doesn't happen every episode but previous versions had a way of making fitting episodes about it )
@@Firehazerd5444 ABSOLUTELY! It's ALWAYS the fault of the fans! I mean, what other possible reason could there be? They have the most talented, progressive writers that hollywood has to offer, how could it be anything except sensational, if only the fans were woke enough to appreciate it. You are wise beyond years.
CBS: People don't care about character development and interesting ideas and stories. Just copy and paste Rick and Morty and make it worse somehow. Writers: Whatever gets my next paycheck
Drinker, I have to say that while first impressions do matter, here I believe it was more mistake in marketing than it was a fault of the show. The first two episodes were a bit too dry, I’ll definitely admit, but I gotta say that the rest of the show has been nothing but stellar. It is a parody in the best sense of Star Trek as a whole, constantly referencing and quipping on some of the more ridiculous aspects of the show in a way that only somebody working in a place like the lower decks could possibly accomplish, and overall it is an absolute win. out of a long laundry list of crap that CBS has put out time and again for our unfortunate viewing “pleasure“, this has actually been a rare gem that I eagerly await the next episode for. i highly t recommend you give this a shot!
Aimed at kids? Compare this to Star Trek: the animated series. That was aimed at kids too but took them seriously, often with stories that rivaled the original series.
Thank you!!!! I absolutely love ST TAS. They pulled off showing real aliens and a truly serious and decently written premise and plot. I strongly encourage anyone who wants a real taste of Star Trek to watch TAS. Now that is how you have an animated Star Trek, not this garbage which would have been better with Cartman as captain, and Kenny as the expendable security guard. You bastards!!!!!
TAS was described in a 1973 critical review as being "a Mercedes among rusty Skodas" in the Saturday morning cartoon lineup. This despite animation so poor it was basically a series of stills.
Here I sit broken-hearted. Tried to shit but only farted. Still better writing than anything in Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who etc during the last several years.
Yep. Every major Disney animated film from 1937 to 1963 had a different style. Sleeping Beauty's art approach looked nothing like Snow White. Now, they all seem to be the same jelly bean look to eyes and faces.
Agreed, my Mrs tried to tell me this for a year b4 I caved and watched it and yeah it is, unlike everything else it seems like it was made with a genuine love for the franchise... I can only assume as a cartoon it was dismissed as not worth while by the studio and it's creators were more or less left alone to produce something actually Star Trek
Kirk was never the womanizer the stereotype eventually made him out to be. *This* abomination is going to live up to the stereotype the audience makes it out to be.
@@GwynnsWildRide Most women are just deeply attracted to Kirk's charm... *Kirk* : "Hello." *Random Woman* : "No man has ever spoken to me with such tender beauty. Oh, kiss me, kiss me passionately, Stranger"
@@InfernosReaper Kirk: And just like that. I like men now. Mister Sulu if you will. Sulu: Yes Captain. Kirk: Stardate: 3189.41 I will boldy be going where every man in San Francisco has gone before.
They’re destroying art to take away people’s ability to think freely, it’s all part of the incoming subjugation, they don’t need us watching movies, they need us doing our jobs, making money and asking no questions, it’s a sad state of affairs really
@@ShiftyKen08 I'm pissed but I don't really like Trek. When Trek works it REALLY works, but this shit doesn't inspire any confidence in me. Frankly Robot Chicken's Night Crew was more downplayed and less desperate in it's humor and that was a frickin Robot Chicken skit.
@@sophiam2095 That is exactly what I was thinking, and that was just a skit on Robot Chicken! How sad is it that a short skit had more in-depth characterization than that whole trailer did?
"HERE! MORE TREK< YOU LIKE IT DONT YOU< YOU MUST LIKE IT< HERE EVEN MORE TREK< HONEST IT'S ALL GOOD TREK! LIKE IT! LIKE IT!" - Corporations and the capitalists who own them, via Kurtzman. "Leave me alone -.-" 90% of the fan base.
After watching 3 seasons of this show, I honestly really liked it, so I really wish Critical Drinker would make a new review. I know that Star Trek has a really bad record before this so it’s understandable why he is not hopeful for this show. But man it’s actually pretty good imo
I actually avoided this show because of this review. My kids started watching, and we all love the show now. I think you're right, I believe the drinker jumped the gun on this show.
@MystiqWisdom I agree with your initial assessment, but it grows beyond that. Occasionally, some of the jokes fall flat, but overall, it's a good show. It's not great, just good fun Trek.
like a growing number of people, I rarely go to the movies (years apart) and I don't subscribe to these horse shit streaming services. I often find out how bad they are through guys like Critical Drinker. And I really think the content creators ripping on this shit is giving me much more entertainment...for free.
Dude that worked for Star Wars. Seth McFarlane needs to be the emperor if Ian McDiarmid falls ill or worse. Seth gets the campy awesomeness of Ian's Palply, and that shows more respect for the title character than Star TP ever did
I remember when Star Wars & Star Trek fans would go to war with bottles and chains over the love of each IP. Now both camps are in ruin after a Disney/Kathleen & CBS/Kurtzman killed all will in both camps to fight. They just huddle together in the trenches waiting for the sweet release of death.
"When one has been angry for a very long time, one gets used to it. And it becomes comfortable, like… like old leather. And finally it becomes so familiar that one can't ever remember feeling any other way." - Picard, 'The Wounded'
@@MechaSegaNite Sometimes it's also best to ask people or just walk away from discussions or statements you don't understand or haven't matured enough to appreciate, rather than belittle them, so that everyone will hopefully not notice your shallow and immature nature.
@@mattcritchley5670 When people don't understand things, it's a base human instinct to attack it. That's what we see with the growing legions of dumbasses across the country here in America.
Honestly, I love it. Jack Quaid always gives his all. The modern live action shows are undoubtably shit but this is a really fun show looking at Star Trek from a different view never before seen.
The Orville: made by a man who has a genuine love of the Star Trek series, and wanted to share his love. Modern Star Trek: made because money, they love money
The captain needs a certain amount of confidence and wisdom, or else why are they the captain? This said, the point of a Star Trek captain is to go out and face the unknown. They can't always be right. They have to fail and recover or there's no point. Kirk and Picard failed all the time and had to recover. Pike, Janeway, and Sisko - fail, fail, fail, recover, recover, recover. This is what gives the audience the confidence that the crew needs to have in the fact that the captains are worth their pay checks. Yeah that's right, paid in money. Forget all that "there's no money in the future" nonsense. In the first season or two of STTNG, Wesley Crusher was annoyingly right about everything in every episode, to the point where you have to wonder how other starships survive without a Wesley on board. Everyone hated him about as much as Cousin Oliver from The Brady Bunch. Wesley was a Gary Stue. That's the male equivalent of a Mary Sue. Wesley wasn't right on target but he was close enough that I despised him in every scene. Nobody likes a Mary Sue, or a Gary Stue.
@Ruosong Gao I'm not sure how "popular" they are. Especially today when they've become so common that there's a name for it and people are aware that they exist.
@@protorhinocerator142 I thought being good at things is only one aspect of a Mary Sue, the other being their unrelenting redeeming qualities? In that case I might challenge the idea of him being one by pointing out that while Wesley was incredibly bright and talented, he was also immature, impulsive, insecure, and at times irresponsible (hm). A smart dumb kid.
Despite hating Picard and Discovery after watching I found lower decks had some interesting ideas and was written with some love and nods to the good trek that came way before. I had reservations about it but then watched it for myself and thought it was pretty good. Interestingly the trailer makes it seem 100 times worse than it actually was.
It’s actually a pretty great show after the first few episodes. It actually has really mature moments and character growth and is really respectful of the Federation and its mission, while still joking about the lack of agency the characters have. The first episode of season 3 demonstrates its message really well!
@JOHN JOHN it's honestly not terrible. I enjoyed most of season 1, there's a few really fucking stupid things but it's decent for the most part. More good than bad, at least in the first season, I didn't watch farther than that.
I agree, he should've said that it is animation quality of a shitshow version of Final Space and Final Space is 4x much better then this crap right here, something I feel sorry for Star Trek fans because CBS doesn't give a crap about quality but only about profits from only the name brand.
grievous549 I love South Park, always have, always will...I don’t have anything to say about the animated Star Trek non sense other than I won’t be watching it...a pointless comment yes...but animation quality has almost nothing to do with a good show...a lot of South Parks best episodes occurred in the earlier seasons when the animation was in its primitive phase
More like the animation quality of Family Guy... Where the lame bug-eyed characters just stand there and stare blankly as another dumbass joke is being born.
I started Lower Decks with skepticism, and first few episodes were shaky. However sad to say its the most enjoyable series of the 3 current ones, and is the most true to its TNG roots while poking at problems within the Trek universe at the same time.
It has found it's feet better in the later seasons, but relies heavily on member berries and cameo's to get the older crowd in, and I agree with the annoying continuation of useless/weak male leads. Also the Drinker was spot on, I would have been ~10 when I got into TNG and it captivated a younger me almost immediately, because it's genuinely good, a possible future to actually aspire to.
@@foxpants It takes a fan team to produce a truly masterful continuation of true Trek. I hope you are all already aware of *Star Trek Continues.* - Man, I love the fact there is one example to show how it can be done, to continue the lore faithfully, respectfully.
He wanted to do film. Sadly the environment of Hollywood changed and he ended up doing B movies. He died do to injuries suffered from a botched special effect involving explosives. I think Star Trek could have been the brake that could have stabilized his career. I did like him as pike. I liked the 50s feel of the characters, and their interaction.
@@dirus3142 He died from a stroke after falling down some steps and hitting his head, six months after the accident on set. No evidence the two are linked. His son blamed his alcoholism.
The Critical Drinker is pretty much the only reviewer I trust anymore. Edit: Cheers for the suggestions guys and dolls. I hadn't heard of a few of those :)
The Drinker as well as Mike and Rich from RLM along with Rob Myer Burnett and the Lorerunner are the only Star Trek critics I trust. RLM is the best at being funny while really going indepth on Trek while Lorerunner is the best at examinations with his ruminations but they are all great.
Star Trek fans: "We want a new ST show,that goes back to the roots and respects Gene Roddenberry´s vision of intelligent Sci-Fi." CBS: "Hey,Rick & Morty is huge atm. Let´s make a shitty knockoff,of that animated show. That´s how we´re gonna get the ST fans back." It´s like these people have some sort of perverted bet going on,with K.Kennedy, which can ruin their respective franchises in more horrible ways or something, WTF?!
@@eldritchedward "Vault-2020's goal was to expose the vault dwellers to progressively worse spin-offs of beloved franchises to study how fanbases divide and if they will gradually come to accept the horrible content."
It's almost like they are doing that with Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, and that this is something entirely different. But yeah. I guess we can shit on things?
So much for : "You asked, we listened" You know, if you put your cellphone down for more than 15 sec and actually take the time for a nice bothway conversation, maybe I'll feel listened too. This relationship between CBS/Startrek Fans is on the verge of Divorce. Heck we're already cheating them with "The Orville".
Star Trek: The Musical Star Trek: Cooking with Replicators Star Trek: Real Wives of the Federation Drachinifel: Episode 3,046, Federation Shuttles The Many Lives of Scotty
I'd watch a Star Trek: Top Gear. And I'd be curious about a Family feud Cardassians vs Klingons. Ferengi host: "Name a thing hewmans like." Cardassian: "Root beer." Ferengi Host: "Show me root beer!" *DING!* Ferengi Host: "Name a thing hewmans like." Klingon: "Cowering in dishonor under their soft beds..." *X* Of course, even writing something as simple as that requires more love for Star Trek than whoever is in charge of it right now.
Star Trek: Extreme Living Quarters Makeover Edition. "Oh, this decor has to go. Hel-looo, Stardate 45789.1 is calling. They want their wall pictures of nebulas back. Let's replace those with more modern pictures of galaxies instead."
Ok, I gotta admit, the real wives sounds pretty cool. All of Kirk and Riker's women dishing, oh yeah, count me in for that one. Why not, I have certainly seen enough DVD outtakes and interviews of them and Bond women too. THAT show could work, but this absolute garbage they are tossing out ishideouss.
Even "uncreative hacks" turn out something interesting by accident once an ice age. They are simply incompetent. Remember "The Peter Principle"? CBS revels in it so much that this "descent into irrelevance" would make so-so TV.
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Same. Once you get past the first couple of episodes it's pretty good and gets better as it goes along. Much closer to the 90's trek than the other modern treks.
Star trek was once best described as 'the thinking mans adventure' but there is no place for such a thing in a world where people are taught not to think...
The new iterations of that puke they call Star Trek are humus, made for the Labotamots of the planet Labotomy. Rather than giving us ''the Thinking Mans Adventure''....they've spewed out pablum for the ''Absent Of Mind"....!!!
I mean yeah. By comparing it to south park, family guy and Rick and Morty he actually made me wanna watch at least the first episode as I did enjoy those 3 series and am not a rabid Star Trek fan, so I can enjoy a non-canon spinoff for what it is.
@@johnallen3033 To be honest the series is fine if you dont load it with expectations of what it should be and enjoy it as a non canon comedy spinoff. I watched the three episodes that are out and pretty much none of the stuff said in this video is accurate as far as the characters go. It's no masterpiece, bit it is ok for a bit of mild entertainment when you just want to relax.
Lol new star trek is made for people who don't even like star trek. I don't know why they can't just make star trek for the fans. We ain't going anywhere
Critical Drinker, it's time to dredge this back up and get a follow-on review... we've got four seasons under our belt now, and while you're usually right on the money this is one of those times that I think the product evolved and matured into something remarkable. Is it TOS, TNG, DS9, or Enterprise Trek? No... but it's not supposed to be. If ever there was a show that was able to reflect on and satirize an entire genre (generally) and a beloved franchise (specifically), this has turned out to be it. It pokes massive fun at what it is and where it comes from, but it does so 100% of the time with absolute adoration and (usually) in a surprisingly thoughtful way. So I challenge you to take this one back up for a second look, either now or wait until the fifth and final season concludes. If (when?) you do, you may have changed your mind or you may still see it as 'modern audience drivel.' And it's fine either way, but I'd respectfully posit that this is one of those instances where further reflection would be rewarding and enlightening. :)
@@WillHayes44 ok ok, the first season was pretty good, but the more control Kevin Sorbo got, the worse the show got. The last season was pretty much unwatchable.
KorriTimigan It’s not a slight at Futurama. If one was to have the worlds best steak but you had to top it with vomit and human excrement it’s not likely you would remember the steak. Futurama can only do so much.
Just like Star Wars and anything else you can imagine. It's just title-flaying for the "edgy counter-culturists" who have zero plan or idea of what comes after everything's been torn down. They don't care. They never will.
@@deedlessdeity218 it's people who cant create on their own, and yet they think they can do better, so they take over the existing properties to transform them into their twisted social justice vision. Same as communism, they can't create, they just want to take control of existing industries to serve them. And incidentally, most of the social justice people are commies, and tor a reason. No actual solution, just a disdain for what is here.
It's the same in a lot of franchises. Any of you like Dungeons & Dragons? I used to, before it was ruined by a company that is actively insulting its customer base. I'm trying to think of anything I used to love that wasn't ruined by post-post-modernist bullshit. It's a hard think.
I never intended to watch lower decks, it looked really childish and not the kind of thing I would be interested in. However I ended up binging the first season on a long haul flight and watched the next three seasons when I got home. It's honestly really got the star trek feeling whilst also being a fun heartfelt parody of everything which came before. Didn't think I would like the characters but ended up loving them and their development. As someone who is pretty sceptical of new trek I would deffinately reccomend!
@@RobotronSage who would you even put into now? Everyone practically is ENFORCING "progressive" ideals without the ability to even write the stories and characters. Its truly disgusting to take a beloved name and just puke stuff on top of it without any care about the original source material.
I feel you were quick to judge Star Trek Lower Decks. I'd love to know if a year on, it is any good? The main character definitely doesn't seem like a Mary Sue and all of the cast are equally flawed, and their actions fuel the plot most of the time. I've seen clips and from season 2 at least, and it seems pretty good. A light hearted take on Star Trek with respectable storylines to the lore, actually believable interactions between characters, and waaaaay more entertaining than anything else Star Trek has to suffer. I'd be tempted to watch the whole thing. The trailer definitely doesn't seem to line up with raw clips of the show, at least as far as I can see?
I've already watched the seasons currently out for it and admittedly I didn't grow up watching star trek but I really enjoy it and it makes me want to watch other star trek things, I don't see any obvious Mary sues, they all have flaws which are worked on throughout the series with humor mixed in. I would recommend watching it, personally, if you haven't already
Oh, and why do they act like Star Trek has never featured the crew outside of the Bridge team before? Engineering has always been heavily featured, as well as medical.
Or the episode of deep space nine where jake and bashir are stuck on the planet where a ground war is going against the Klingons and you see the grunts and other more lowly people who are dying in the trenches so to speak.
*Damn, you can tell how upset Drinker is.* He didn't even bother to end this video with his usual; _"Anyway, that's all I've got for today. Go away, now!"_ That's how upset he is. Out of character means serious business.
Since this is a cartoon, I was wondering how many characters got the old "paint tool" used on them at the last minute. I'm not saying they did that... but it's obviously a big concern for media companies and studios right now. They're getting extorted by racist activists who target their sponsors, which makes them lose money, so then they take the activist advice and go and make terrible content, which makes them lose money again. But somehow it's still our fault...
@@cindygreene3353 How about you don't put it in other words? You don't seem to be very good at paraphrasing other people's opinions, so don't make it even more difficult for yourself.
You should really watch this one. You'd be surprised how much this is in the spirit of TNG. Yeah, the puns may be a little over the top, but it's very well written, with great character development in a story arc spanning pretty much the whole series. The episodic format also well done, you can pretty much watch each episode on its own once the main characters have been introduced. There's no pandering to any "message" other than the social criticism TOS and TNG have always done. No major character is truly dumb or incompetent, even they may appear so at first glance. Everyone's strength and motivations are reveald sooner or later in the series. Obviously I can't know, but the writers really seemed to have had a plan for the entire series from the onset. A five year mission, character plotlines and and a story told well. Seems it's all I got for you today, so go away now. 😂
"Kurtzman is currently overseeing no less than 4 shows and that's 3 more than he's capable of managing" I'm impressed by your optimism there, not sure why everyone thinks you're so negative with hopes that high.
@Michael Harvey I miss the old Jews, Sure they were nepotic, but only with the competent ones. People act all offended when people say Jews ran Hollywood in its golden age. That's a huge fucking compliment, I'd kill to make shit that good. At this point, Mel Brooks among others needs to be cryogenically frozen ASAP and dethawed and uploaded into young bodies or else Hollywood will never have talent again. Couse, we really should discover necromancy cause we need George Burns, his wife Gracie and the Three Stooges and Leonard Nimoy too. Like very desperately.
I’d rather watch Star Trek: Upper Decker You’ll never believe where the Captain hid his log. Note: If you do not know what an upper decker is, google: upper decker urban dictionary. Enjoy.
THIS show kind of remindz me if Rick and Morty had a baby with Family Guy and then Family Guy adopted a younger sibling called "Final Space" why is everyone hating on this show I don't get it????
Rick and Morty's been slamming it's head into a doorframe trying to commit suicide. Especially the last season. Just do 20 minutes of setting Roiland up to perform a solid 20 minutes improv on his own. Animate it done. End it.
@@tylerleach1833 That's an exception. It's good, but it unfortunately doesn't change the fact that most Modern Adult animation is still shallow stuff like this.
Sadly you haven't seen season 5 then... Now that you likely have are you still arguing? It was definitely better than he expected but died on the wokest whimper when NOBODY wanted it
The problem I'm seeing with current entertainment is that they're hiring people who think it's cool to crap on the past. It's a niche, hipster, SJW thing. They live in a bubble and have developed a cult of themselves, believing themselves to be cool and funny.
@@sherlockinsomniac Metalheads wanted to do their own thing, not tell everyone else how to be and what to say and not say otherwise we will go into conniptions.
3 years later, I'm happy to see that this Drinker Review doesn't represent what Lower Decks is. I avoided it like the plague at first because after shows like Picard and Discovery, I certainly was NOT into the idea of a cartoon parody jokey show that picked fun at something I loved... But now having seen 2 seasons of Strange New Worlds -- an actual GOOD TREK SHOW in the 2020's no less -- I was willing to give Lower Decks a go. I was ready to have some fun to go beside the (mostly) taken seriously Strange New Worlds. And I gotta say... i LOVE Lower Decks. I love it a lot, actually. It's REALLY good, and you can tell the people involved give a damn about Trek because it celebrates it in the most fun way... praising Trek while poking fun at it's ridiculousness. It's the PRAISING part that is important because you can tell the jokes at Trek's expense come from a place of love. It's not vile, crule, or meanspirited like you get from other shows and movies that seem to want to dump on things we like. I would genuinely say watch Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks. Give them another go if you gave up on them before. I think you will find them to be quite enjoyable! Thankfully, the negatives that are given in this review are not things that came to light. Boimler (purple hair guy) is an awkward punching bag, but he's extremely intelligent and competent and they show that constantly, he's just also naïve. Mariner (the gal he's with) is the hot-shot street-smart ensign, who has lots of experience and contacts, but really sucks at being "starfleet", only being IN it for reasons that are revealed quickly. Lower Decks is entirely lacking in the mean-spirited, social politics that exist today. Lower Decks IS for people who love Trek.
Your comment was truly helpful. They fK other Francise in the name of inclusiveness... They focus more on LGBTQUVWXYZ++ rather than story but we are fans we don't care unless the story is good and engaging
Or Maybe we just grew out of Animation...or we only focus on the bad sides. Idk But i do agree with Buchi's statement. This animation style and designs (and other similar) is the one that is currently in right now. same as how shows from. The same era has the same vibes as each other.
Its a style designed to dumb down people and alienate personality development. Have you seen 80's cartoons? These were very different. He Man, Thundercats, Silverhawks and many more were done quite realistically and they did their work. Today a talking balloon is a succesffull franchise, were there is no skill and no development in the drawings.
I stumbled on this out of curiosity, and honestly, after watching the whole show, this reveal really doesn't hit at all. He's picking apart the marketing mistakes, but he doesn't actually have anything to say about lower decks. Its a great show, and has nailed the soul of old trek, not the smart part, but the fun part. If you dont like satire thats fine, but dont look at it for five seconds and scare any potential fans away, thats just not fair to the fans or the franchise (as unfaithful as it has been lately)
Drinker is a surface level grifter, he doesn't actually care about the shows he reviews, but he knows he can make a quick buck catering to his trash audience and their hate
When The Drinker shouts “Leave Me Alone!” instead of his signature sign-off phrase, you know he ran out of whiskey the night before and has been drinking gin since noon.
It's working for me. I haven't even seen the entire official trailer, but the short clips in this video got my Trekkie blood boiling like a combination of Klingon battle fever and Vulcan pon farr...
@@alidaraie well it was, because most the humans working these jobs don't have kids so aren't considered adults. you know it's actually appalling how the job market favors independent yuppy types to family guys
The constant affirmations of Tilly are the worst part of the show.
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@@arcadealchemist fatherhood is integral to manhood. I was raised Mennonite where that is taken for granted. Many males are suffering from arrested development!
Sorry to break it to you but the writers of this show know more about trek than you. They have so many Easter eggs hidden, like exact conversion of stardates. But I guess crying about a silly kids show is now something adult, self proclaimed, fans do.
@@Lancor84 LOL. Buddy, I saw the trailer, they don't know jack about Star Trek. So someone fed them a few lines to make "easter eggs"? They have exact stardates? So what? Technical precision in quoting someone else's work or a fictional (and meaningless, given what the original creators said) doesn't compensate for half-assed, incompetent writing and an utter lack of understanding of anything that makes Star Trek-the real one-enjoyable and entertaining. Lower Drecks is basically what you get when a C-level university student is told to take a creative writing class and writes fanfic for homework. Sure, it's got all the technical aspects and data points right; all the stuff you can look up on the Internet. But its characters, characterization, and plot all scream "rank amateur" at best, and "outright hack" at worst. I don't know whether you're a butthurt fanboy of Jar-Jar Trek or just a CBS shill paid to try and change the narrative, but either way, you're pathetic. I've been watching Star Trek since I was a kid: i didn't need a shitty, piss-poor retard's version of Trek like this Lower Drecks garbage. I was watching and enjoying the shows back when I was 8. I know Trek. You-and the writers of this abortion-clearly do NOT. Go read some books, kid. And none of that post-modernist deconstruction shit, read some of the good stuff that built the stories in the first place. Maybe then you'll appreciate good writing. ...Or maybe not. Either way, your opinion is as worthless as that liberal arts degree you're aiming for.
the worst part about this is that the concept of a star trek show centered around the goings on of the lower decks is a good idea. You could do a lot of interesting things with the concept, show all the off screen inner workings of a starship, The perspectives of the crew about their higher up's, show how despite their low rankings the work they do are arguably the most important job's on the ship. after all a good captain is necessary for direction and leadership but without a good maintenance crew the ship a'int going nowhere. But instead of that we just got this abomination.
Star Trek: The Next Generation, Season 7, Episode 15, Lower Decks from wikipedia: In this episode, while enduring the Enterprise's promotion evaluation process, four junior officers find themselves involved in a top-secret mission[1] and is noted for its focus on non-main characters. The episode also brings back Sito Jaxa (Shannon Fill) previously introduced in "The First Duty". This episode is noted for focusing on a group of guest characters, rather than the main cast, and for its emotional impact. It has been rated highly among the series' episodes.
@@mikerueffer579 We watch about 5-7 episodes of TNG, DS9, and Voyager at my house on a weekly basis. It is so satisfying to watch. The new "Star Trek" is a frenetic mess that leaves me anxious and agitated.
8:14 THANK YOU! I’ve been saying this shit for years that just because they don’t have the experience of age doesn’t mean you should treat them like morons. After being forced to watch modern “kids” movies with my family (I’m the oldest by around 7 years), it always pissed me off how simple and stupid the dialogue is because they think children are fragile. Too fragile that they can’t handle mature themes like maintaining functional relationships or death. Children that inevitability grow up and will get pissed that you thought they were an idiot. I don’t know about anyone else but went back at the movies of my childhood like The Lion King, Shrek, Mulan, Toy Story, I was surprised by the themes they covered. It’s alsmost as if the filmmakers respected the adults being forced to watch with their kids by making it enjoyable for everyone. Hell, even stuff like Space Jam respected my intelligence by going places didn’t need to go.
When I was a kid, my favorite movies were Star Wars, back to the Future, The Hunt for Red October and sister act. Some of them have a little goofiness or some jokes but generally they're pretty serious. I could never get into the really goofy slapstick stuff, at a young age it just wasn't as interesting as the high stakes gambits and consequences from more complex movies
*Avatar - The Last Airbender* would be a good example of high-quality kids TV. Quite the mature themes in it, but kids can totally handle that when conveyed in the right style. Also, as a reverse example, of course, *MLPFiM,* a show made for young girls, but because the show creation was a work of love, with the fan enthusiasm factor, and made with compassion for parents watching with their kids in mind 😅, it is quite delightful to watch for adults, too, at least those not totally jaded by the grimdark side of reality.
He was raised on a healthy mixture of Soviet classics of animation and pictures by PIXAR and Dreamworks - they gave unforgettable impressions and inspiration. They knew how to joke and were not afraid to raise serious topics. Therefore, both children and adults love them. I didn’t like Disney at first sight, and I still have a wild allergic reaction to him. They seemed so... hysterical. Now I look and am disgust at what idiots the creators of this crap take us for. What’s annoying is not even the quality and primitivism, but the expectation that we will really empathize with complete scum of the level of Family Guy.
@@Dowlphin Yes! Great example! I remember when my brother and I came across him on TV, we watched it all day, he fascinated us so much. And for God's sake don't mention MLP, I'm starting to start rainbow foaming from my ears
Something i would've never imagined in star trek. Shaming someone's nudity like it is something that should scare you to the point of screaming. Screaming in 24th century because a naked body.
Keep in mind this is after two main start trek characters had a NUDE WEDDING and the punchline was that one of the guests found it inappropriate to attend nude, while everyone else was baffled why.
That's logic and consideration tho.. you can see the problem. In the writers room.. it's the most rad argument wins.. then they spindle the plot to carry all the emo gags. :P
Remember when lwaxana troi argued with her daughter about culturally appropriating and NOT attending her wedding nude, and at the end of the episode did so in an entirely serious setting, no one cracked any jokes, not even wesley. That was just part of Betazoid culture and was not a joke. Now we have that BS? That's a giant step backwards from what the show from the 90's did
It’s cheap! Essentially the modern digital version of He-Man or those 1970’s Hanna-Barberra cartoons where they have a set number of adaptable movements. I actually like how they seem to have made some effort to evoke the TNG-era art design in the ship and displays, but the characters honestly look crap.
I greatly appreciate TheCriticalDrinker's reviews and insights. And usually find myself in strong agreement. And so I was surprised to see how much he disliked this series. My brother and I, both around at the dawn of TOS, actually look forward to discussing each episode as it drops. To us, it truly appears that the writers are über fans of Star Trek. Allusions to TOS, DS9, TNG are everywhere, knowing throwaways and Easter eggs appear throughout each episode. The plots are interesting and often unpredictable. And the core message is very true to Star Trek. Doing it "the Federation Way" is a tenet throughout the series. I agree with another reviewer that it would be interesting to see if TheCriticalDrinker still holds the negative take show that he has in this review. If he does, that's totally fine - we'll just agree to disagree on this one.
He won't, because that won't earn him the clicks. I used to watch his reviews a while back, but realized he is just a bitter asshole that is upset that the world has passed him by.
thats not calarts style, is final space style, im pretty sure they are the same ones, even the cat “model” looks like its the same but different colors.
@@saphi20 Agreed. This isn't exactly "Calarts". It looked like they traced the artstyle of Final Space. This is more of "generic adult cartoon style that most generic adult cartoons use now because they think it's what made other adult cartoons popular".
It’s not Cal-Arts style. It’s the GoAnimate style. The people who “popularised” the style didn’t study at Cal-Arts. The term was coined by John K., one of the greasiest bastards in animation who is bitter that animators are more influenced by Disney and Pixar’s style rather than his.
@Danny Morrissey no. even that failed what it could have been. I recall the concept video Olan made for it. It was much better, darker, more dramatic, still had the goofy humour tho. Then the studio came along, and i don't blame Olan Rogers, this was his break.... but the version they released, i felt it was dumbed down, made to appeal to generic, kid friendly mass market.
Thing is, I don't think Roddenberry would have disliked the idea of a more lighthearted Stat Trek series that was from the point of view of a rank-and-file member Starfleet. But he wouldn't have wanted it to be... whatever the fuck _that_ is! O.o
One must remember from what time Gene Roddenberry lived. The political scene was completely different from what it was when Star Trek restarted. Especially how women were looked at and treated. Just like today is a different political view than back in the 80s and 90s. Hollywood has took on a more progressive political correct view. It's the time of the SJWs a total role reversal now woman are the heroes and men are the objects looked down on. For a time humanity seemed to be learning from the past. But it seems that the portion of the last couple generations have regressed. The majority of these in my opinion are the kid and grand kids of the yuppie crowd of the 60s and 70s who of which alot of those are now our current college professors and CEOs. Like those in Hollywood.
@@kenjett2434 , Hollywood (and the media) don't represent the majority of what people think. They represent what they want everyone to think is what everyone thinks. The sjw's are the minority.
I honestly would've preferred more Kelvin timeline films in the same vein as Star Trek Beyond. That film was the closest we've gotten to authentic Star Trek since 2005, and I'd gladly take it over anything Kuntzman has shat out.
It's interesting that "The Orville", actually written by Seth MacFarlane ended up being far more respectful than the "real" franchise is now. That show even had a couple of pretty thought provoking episodes. Maybe because the man is a legitimate fan of the original series'.
Tbh, if you watch this show you can tell the writers are also fans of the old Trek. They poke fun at some of the sillier stuff and it can come off as a bit of nostalgia bait, but it seems like these references and riffs come from a sincere place of love.
I found Orville to be missing too much of the real core, dunno. It was like a well-meaning copy job of someone who might be a fan, but not one of the smartest fans. An excellent example for fans doing great stuff with the lore is, of course, *Star Trek Continues.*
@@Dowlphin Orville is 100% it's own show, though. I just mean that a brief shadow of the *feeling* I got from the latter ST:VOY or early ST:ENT franchises is there. On the other hand, the newer proper Star Trek shows have had none of the flavour of the past. My point is simply that for a standalone, humor based show that isn't even in the same IP, the Orville felt a whole lot more like the 1990s Star Treks. It is also my opinion that the new ones have been an absolute dumpster fire. Typical of much that comes out of Hollywood these days. Lots of action sequences, shallow characters and even more shallow social commentary.
When you have to resort to endless sex and toilet based humour, you're not a comedian. You're Melissa McCarthy making 'queef' and 'you shit yourself' jokes in Ghostbusters 2016. And down that road, madness lies.
@@zenituragaming5043 no I find plenty of female comedians funny, it’s just Amy as I personally believe isn’t a funny person who relies on stolen jokes, sex jokes, and fart jokes to get laughs.
@@zenituragaming5043 bruh, if the comment was about a male comedian I woulda done the same thing cuz as I said I think Amy is a shitty comedian. Doesn’t mean I am a big dick asshole who hates all women, what kinda logic is that shit. Hell there is plenty of women who think Amy is a shitty comedian. It’s like when people called Ben Shapiro Anti-Semetic (Racist to jews) even though he himself is Jewish. Hell you just assumed I was a guy for all you know I’m a woman, in this case your right but still. You came here as a big dicked white knight and shit and just assumed we were misogynist for no fuckin reason. So go back down your well you poor excuse of a white knight troglodyte.
I mean, the idea of a Star Trek cartoon isn't a bad one... it's just that this is not the type of cartoon it should have been. It is utterly derivative, cynical, and still plagued by the stupid ass problems the live shows have. Namely in it being set in the utterly botched kelvin timeline. Just go back to the real trek timeline, throw this all away and start over with the trek that is actually good. >__>
"we are _so_ getting fired for this." since about 2009, language in comedy hasn't changed - it's ironic, detached, caustic-sarcastic. what a joke. and not a funny one.
@I will make operational deflector shields legal! Your statement is quite concerning indeed. I guess it's what happen when the cultural people throw all creativity, respect for the audience, and even self-respect out of the window. They become just junkies for the last fashionable politically/socially correct think (also in movies, series, cartoons, adds, business rules, political programs, etc). . The big problem is, it probably acts as an accelerator. Because so much people seem to see the world around them only through those cultural works.
got this one wrong in my opinion. its pretty funny and the characters are pretty funny. think the big issue is that this is the best trek on atm. i agree that we need some good trek but dont think ld is bad
It just isn’t Star Trek. Good lord, look at what they just did (another blatant R&M hack job) with the blatant adult content. Like Naked Now without taste. So “edgy”. Ugh
When I saw the name "lower decks" I was skeptical, but now I'm just annoyed. How dare they repurpose the title of an actually good episode of TNG that focused on the serious concerns of lower ranked officers. That episode was able to give us multiple brand new interesting characters and make them likable in a single hour. We actually felt something when Picard announced the loss of Ensign Jaxa. This garbage doesn't even look like it should be associated with Star Trek.
That episode is one of my absolute favorite from TNG. I hate that now every time I think of that episode, part of my brain is going to bring up this crap by association.
You may be right. Tell me, do you really think the people making this even know the episode your talking about exists? More than likely, they've never even seen the original, and at best have only seen the JJ Trek.
They literally saw Final space and said "Hey lets put a a Star Trek Skin over it , it will work so well i a gonna give my self a promotion after i Virtue signal on Twitter since its so important for people to know my opinion about my own stuff"
Final Space is the bard's pipe dream come true. Give a NON Hollywood exec story teller power over a story and watch him go. Its got its shortcomings but it has WAY more heart than most shows I see on tv.
@@Cybersnake-he4zr ok I thought you were saying that men deserve to be abused, that’s why I was worried because there really are people that think like that.
Ok, I for the first time disagree with the Drinker. I gave this a go and it was fine. Animation in some episodes is very cool, specially on the starships. It's not the best show but is so much better than Discovery. Being a cartoon you expect some goofiness and actually helps make alien races an environments more acceptable. And "The Message" is not being pushed down your throat every 5 minutes. I don't know, I actually enjoyed it as an adult. It's not for kids. And it can get quite smart for moments.
The really sad part is that the TNG episode "Lower Decks" was one of season seven's best. Junior officer's ambition and competition to rise in the ranks of Starfleet, an organization where duty may call upon them to die.
I thought the series was going to be like that episode when first announced. A live action series based on junior officers who never go to the bridge or go on away missions might be interesting.
"Shit out as much content as possible." They didn't even take that approach. Think about this. In five years, they've only made three seasons of Star Trek. And each of those seasons were 10-13 episodes. That means in five years, we've gotten less Star Trek than TNG did in just two seasons. At 5x the cost. This is incompetence at an unparalleled level. Even beyond the Star Wars sequels. Fans and a huge percentage of the general audience would actually prefer a Star Trek show that went back to the old style of filming on static sets, practical effects and dialogue over action. But Kurtzman and CBS are doing everything possible to be the exact opposite. For a long time I thought this was incompetence. But to keep doing this for five years...all I can think is it's intentional.
It's like they try do something Stargate SG1 like, but fail to recognize what was actually good in it. So they just put action and whatever they they thought it was.
I hate when they talk about creating something like the marvel cinematic universe for star trek, as if thats some bold new mission statement.... they already had that.. they've been building it for 40 years... and knocked it all down in 5..... I mean i know that's a ridiculous thing to say... i know std and picard has fans i know that this will have fans... but will people be talking about them in 40 years?? it would be interesting to get the viewer figures on the virtual trek con over at the 7th rule... jut to see whos watching the discovery panels compared to the ds9 ones..
@@Ma55ey Unless a brave CBS AA insider sneaks out the real numbers, we will never see any actual figures or demographics. I can tell you based on evidence of google trends and just speaking to people across the board, nobody watches Discovery or Picard in large volumes. All of my friends stopped watching due to Discovery. The only top 10 list picard was actually on was amazon prime in germany and I believe it was #9. Discovery has never trended. Remember that. CBS is wasting millions and millions on worthless meaningless "content".
@@danmanx2 well from personal experience i made it through season one of discovery on netflix and haven't bothered with season 2.. i watched episode 1 of picard on amazon prime and didn't watch any more... i'm currently on season 5 episode 7 of tng... I don't mind trek being radically altered to fit a new demographic... i just won't be watching it... as long as i can still watch the old shows they can do what they want...
And even modern books aren't safe. My wife just read a fairly new book that depicted male greek mythological characters as gay when their original stories they weren't.
I actually do enjoy Strange New Worlds. And Lower Decks cracks me up. Maybe I'm in the wrong on that one, but i love the overall premise. I do think it's better than Family Guy, I hate that show. But you were pretty spot on with those cast predictions.
Q: "That is the exploration that awaits you. Not mapping stars and charting nebula, but charting the unknown possibilities of social justice." Picard: "Wasn't it supposed to be the unknown possibilities of existence?" Q:"Oh, that ship has sailed."
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4 am in lima. Best time to watch my favorite drinker
I think this is just another one of Q's tricks.
You hear that, Q?
The game is up!
Wait wait wait!!!.... lol Star trek was never smart!
@@We_Are_Borg_478 lol on it's not!... The game never stop's!
I dont want to support the channel. I just want to watch and enjoy your videos for free. - troll 2020
I remember when I was a kid, I used to watch Batman: TAS and Star Trek TNG back to back every weekday. As a nine year old I had an abundance of things presented to me in fiction that challenged me to think about the world in different ways. It's sad that kids nowadays have practically nothing to watch that actually takes shit seriously, it's like all of media is trying to teach them that nothing is worth thinking about, it's all about hyperactive gags and stimulating emotions in shallow, meaningless ways.
I suspect that the content is a reflection of the creators and those who sign the paycheck. In both instances.
It's amazing to me just how nihilistic and narcissistic some TV shows are, all while virtue signaling at every opportunity.
I totally agree take the CW heroes for example. There's no logic or learning just over the top emotional dribble. That has finally caught up them. Anyway Star Trek is definitely dead and I won't worry about strange new worlds until kurtzman is out because no one base on the numbers anybody going to finance it
@@cliffordterrell957 supernatural is a great example of your comment. Seasons 1-5 were gold, then the preaching came, the wokeness, the endless bickering between Sam and Dean that was the same three arguments all the way to season 15. It blows my mind how trash the CW has become
@Optimus Prime
I'm not sure what's upbeat about LD. The trailer is a series of unfunny jokes. I know a lot of 8 year olds (I happen to be a teacher) who are more mature than the so-called characters in LD.
To quote a radio advert in GTA Vice City: "We tell you what's good, then play it 'til you like it!"
Yeah but Vice City was good so no one cared lol hell I literally just went back to it to cruse around and relax the other day, and also go the Neros77 channel too FYI lol GTA 5's Radio Chatter, DJ's, Bad Traffic, Assonine pedestrians, and terrible characters that no one likes (save for Trevor) however can go straight to hell lol
One of the finest games ever made. Not in small part due to the "radio". (Though, the first helipcopter ownership is worth an honorable mention)
@@myeffulgenthairyballssay9358 dont tell that to the people who are STILL stuck on the RC helicopter mission to this day though lol
@@kavinskysmith4094 They might well be...
I just remember having to battle in what appeared to be Scarface's old house and upon completion, the copter was on the roof and flying that thing made me feel rich. A feat no game before or since replacates that first buzz flying around in my "made it" chopper. lol.
My Effulgent Hairy Balls say That’s just because you were young and never flew a helicopter in a game before. For me it was San Andreas’ jet pack from the desert airport.
Those TNG clips just reinforce how fucking timeless that era’s aesthetic was. Sets, costumes and ships still look great to this day.
And in gorgeous HD 1080p. Damn! Makin it so.
It's almost as if effort shows and can elevate something beyond its base purpose.
hence why Orville rocks, it took that idea
Revkor yep. Just do a new Star Trek with that look (with a higher budget) and you got urself a winner
Even though the early episodes were occasionally hit-or-miss, any good series tends to need a little time to find its focus. (Even Spock in TOS was more human the first few episodes.) But TNG improved, found its winning formula and did not deviate from it, and that is why it is the epic series it is.
And then PICARD came along and squandered the goodwill. Captain Picard, you deserved better than what you got.
I usually agree with the drinker but this time you may have been premature with this one. I binged this show after getting Paramount plus for the sole reason of watching the DE of Star Trek-TMP. Now while I agree Picard and Discovery are almost unbearable to watch, this show made me laugh and I thought it really picked up by mid-season one and continued through season two. Being animated you can do a lot more and there are so many fun Easter eggs and call backs to prior Star Trek shows, including TAS. Sober up my friend and give it another shot. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
I think the drinks be making him to political about everything. Best he drink some water
@@jonoctopie2779 No, he is a Trek purist. LD is saddening if this is how it has to be - giving Futurama humor a Trek franchise paint. It's kinda like watching Wrath of Khan but with shaking camera and 50% lens flares on screen all the time. - It's just not a feasible mix.
BTW, I like Picard (relatively much), but LD I could only endure half a season or so.
I agree. And I really like it as well.
> "leave me alone"
> instead of "go away now"
Who are you and what have you done with the drinker?
I need my proper dismissal!
I think you answered your own question. "What have they done to the drinker?" This video was so depressing to make he couldn't even.
So... are we staying here or...?
he either had too little to drink, or too much.
I'm sitting here, waiting.
I... I just don't know what to do now.
Usually, at this point, I'd do something else.
But...
...how...
...how do I go on?
"Anyway whatever leave me alone. "
Wow you must really be pissed and depressed
I don't feel right unless The Drinker tells me to "go away now."
Early Drinker: "As always thank you for your time and hope you enjoyed the video."
Later Drinker: "That's all I have for today....go away now."
Modern Drinker: "Anyway whatever leave me alone."
No better reflection of the progression of a career in modern media criticism.
Can't say I blame him. Star Trek was a great "universe", with good characters, compelling stories, and some pretty decent acting. WAS. Now, it's turned into shyte, ruined by "agendas", destruction of everything that made it great, and ignoring what the fans want, in favor of trying to...hell, I don't even know what they're trying to do.
But what I do know is, the last few years have seen the destruction of every single franchise that was once considered great. Aliens, Terminator, Predator, Star Wars, Star Trek...all of them torn down, destroyed, reduced to sad, pathetic parodies of what once made them great. I'm not one for conspiracies, but I can't shake the feeling that this is all deliberate.
The Orville is the new Star Trek, I'd say may Star Trek rest in peace but they keep desecrating it's grave, STOP, IT'S ALREADY DEAD!!!
Its actually depressing.
it can`t rest in peace anymore. not after what has happened to it. it will haunt the earth vor ever.
Hi Professor Swordie
assuming your are also holding a tricorder, should you fire a phaser "around the outside" or cross arms to fire "on the inside" ?
:P
If you like repeated old trek storys with more fart and dick jokes in them then sure, Orville is great.
I know this was released as a reaction to the trailer, but honestly - I really REALLY enjoyed the first two seasons of Lower Decks. The adage that this was aimed at kids is not really accurate - it's for adults. Prodigy is for the kids.
Would like to see a reaction video now that two seasons have gone by and see if you still have the same opinion?
I am also very curious what he thinks now. The show is really fun and pokes fun of trek in ways that a true fan would. "Did you just say sen-soars?"
The male characters aren't weak to female character look strong. The character development for them is awesome. Brad's character arc is amazing, you can't not love The Boims. We are watching him grow into trek legend material.
@@longshot5866 I think he would say the same thing, but rather that they bank more on memes and nostalgia as they made Trek into a comedy, when it was serious with occasional quest themes (TOS), existential meaning (TNG) or serious political threads (DS9). Something like "yeah you might be Trekkies, however this series is aimed at post-millennial humour, a new Trek audience with some homages, but what you're making isn't Trek because Trek isn't slapstick and it would require trying to ignore how incompetent these people are for the sake of the plot". Then probably reference The Orville as doing a better version because it's an original IP that found an audience and went with it without messing up Trek canon (to the Drinker, canon and continuity loyalty in the sense of treating it with respect is huge).
*It's made for people who are old enough to be adults but never got there.
@@nebulousy [Abruptly stops eating supper with a goblet halfway to my mouth]
@@TheKnightOfSmite Makes me think of the South Park term "memberberries". It works, I suppose. I sure watched the show and got pulled in however it was not TOS, TNG and DS9 levels of contextual depth.
"people used to watch star trek because it was smart, toughtful and engaging"
yep, correct. And that's exactly what's missing from all the latest trek incarnation
Mr. Rogers realized decades ago that when talking to kids, you should take them seriously. Lower Decks did not.
Everything in the latests versions end in combat, always combat.
And if they TRY some personal or crew issues, it's so bland and easy solutions ...
Like no philosophical stuff, no reflections on real life dynamics with issues ( doesn't happen every episode but previous versions had a way of making fitting episodes about it )
Im pretty sure i always hated all of the action heavy episodes. All the episodes that were closer to thrillers were better.
So true, greetings from Germany!
I miss true Star Trek, too!
I have to say, the first 2 seasons of TNG are atrocious.
CBS: _Yeah just turn the comments off for this one._
Dang!!! You're right!!! Way to 100% crap on the fans with that one!
I mean with it being so different I'm not surprised that there are going to be people who shit on it
*so stunning and brave of them*
MechanizedMan its not just different, its a random cartoon with a star trek skin
@@Firehazerd5444 ABSOLUTELY! It's ALWAYS the fault of the fans! I mean, what other possible reason could there be? They have the most talented, progressive writers that hollywood has to offer, how could it be anything except sensational, if only the fans were woke enough to appreciate it. You are wise beyond years.
CBS: People don't care about character development and interesting ideas and stories. Just copy and paste Rick and Morty and make it worse somehow.
Writers: Whatever gets my next paycheck
They'd get more $$$$,,,IF THEY DID IT ''RIGHT''...!!
eh rick and morty actually has some character development funnily enough
Screenwriters aren't in charge so I blame the producers.
I have not watched single thing after 'The Next Generation' and I don't mean to.
@Roman von Ungern Sternberg Choo choo, her comes the hatetrain next station: Whatever is popular to hate on right now.
Drinker, I have to say that while first impressions do matter, here I believe it was more mistake in marketing than it was a fault of the show. The first two episodes were a bit too dry, I’ll definitely admit, but I gotta say that the rest of the show has been nothing but stellar. It is a parody in the best sense of Star Trek as a whole, constantly referencing and quipping on some of the more ridiculous aspects of the show in a way that only somebody working in a place like the lower decks could possibly accomplish, and overall it is an absolute win. out of a long laundry list of crap that CBS has put out time and again for our unfortunate viewing “pleasure“, this has actually been a rare gem that I eagerly await the next episode for. i highly t recommend you give this a shot!
except all the woke bullshit with the super girl boss who can do everything. i gave it a chance but it just became too much.
@@TheJbrinksWho, Mariner? She only gets away with it because of nepotism.
I like the show as well.
Aimed at kids? Compare this to Star Trek: the animated series. That was aimed at kids too but took them seriously, often with stories that rivaled the original series.
Thank you!!!! I absolutely love ST TAS. They pulled off showing real aliens and a truly serious and decently written premise and plot. I strongly encourage anyone who wants a real taste of Star Trek to watch TAS. Now that is how you have an animated Star Trek, not this garbage which would have been better with Cartman as captain, and Kenny as the expendable security guard. You bastards!!!!!
“Yesteryear” is a classic.
TAS was described in a 1973 critical review as being "a Mercedes among rusty Skodas" in the Saturday morning cartoon lineup. This despite animation so poor it was basically a series of stills.
The Animated Series is one of my first memories of infancy. That's how indelible it is to me.
@@ProjectFlashlight612 Compared to the slideshow that was Hammerman, or the anti-animation that was 12 oz Mouse, Star Trek Animated is frikkin Akira.
"You asked, and we listened"
Those who write toilet graffiti are more in touch with their audience.
You listened, but WE know what's best for you !
At least Wendy knows to give a good time to those calling her number
Here I sit
broken-hearted.
Tried to shit
but only farted.
Still better writing than anything in Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who etc during the last several years.
@@mattboggs6304 my point exactly. Don't forget to wash your hands. 😉
i admit when i see a dick written on the wall i feel more of a connection then watching StarTrek these days
I swear, every recent animated show has had the EXACT same art style...
Yep. Every major Disney animated film from 1937 to 1963 had a different style. Sleeping Beauty's art approach looked nothing like Snow White. Now, they all seem to be the same jelly bean look to eyes and faces.
CalArts can be thanked for that
It's the Cal Arts assembly line. Fuckin' rubber hose and jellybean face. That's all they bloody teach over there.
@@blizzardregulus Honestly so many of modern writers for this tripe must all come from their own assembly line as well.
It’s an extremely cheap and lazy style. They’re trying to cut cost which is sacrificing the quality in all shows that decide to use it.
After watching the first season I have to say it is the best trek show on right now!!
Agreed, my Mrs tried to tell me this for a year b4 I caved and watched it and yeah it is, unlike everything else it seems like it was made with a genuine love for the franchise... I can only assume as a cartoon it was dismissed as not worth while by the studio and it's creators were more or less left alone to produce something actually Star Trek
Granted that’s a low bar, but I like this show a lot
Yeah, you would. 🙄
Best show in general
@@universpro7741 If you're 13 & easily impressed
Kirk was never the womanizer the stereotype eventually made him out to be.
*This* abomination is going to live up to the stereotype the audience makes it out to be.
Have you watched TOS, women are all in secondary roles then cat called (at the least) most episodes ...
@@GwynnsWildRide Most women are just deeply attracted to Kirk's charm...
*Kirk* : "Hello."
*Random Woman* : "No man has ever spoken to me with such tender beauty. Oh, kiss me, kiss me passionately, Stranger"
Sure he was
@@InfernosReaper you are correct
@@InfernosReaper Kirk: And just like that. I like men now. Mister Sulu if you will.
Sulu: Yes Captain.
Kirk: Stardate: 3189.41
I will boldy be going where every man in San Francisco has gone before.
Imagine destroying Star Trek, Star Wars and doctor who all In a few years
add to the list The Terminator
It’s kinda depressing but true :-/
That's kind of their playbook: Destroy the pillars of your culture and history...
They’re destroying art to take away people’s ability to think freely, it’s all part of the incoming subjugation, they don’t need us watching movies, they need us doing our jobs, making money and asking no questions, it’s a sad state of affairs really
Star wars was destroyed 20 years ago.
Man, not even a "go away now" we got a "leave me alone." They've made something so awful it has affected The Drinker THAT negatively.
My guess is, had he done that, he'd be showing some kind of generosity towards this totally unfunny excuse-for-a-'cartoon'? ;_;
Yeah, I immediately caught that too. Even Captain Mary Sue got that infamous outro. Man, he must be REALLY pissed about this one!
@@ShiftyKen08 I'm pissed but I don't really like Trek. When Trek works it REALLY works, but this shit doesn't inspire any confidence in me. Frankly Robot Chicken's Night Crew was more downplayed and less desperate in it's humor and that was a frickin Robot Chicken skit.
@@sophiam2095 That is exactly what I was thinking, and that was just a skit on Robot Chicken! How sad is it that a short skit had more in-depth characterization than that whole trailer did?
"HERE! MORE TREK< YOU LIKE IT DONT YOU< YOU MUST LIKE IT< HERE EVEN MORE TREK< HONEST IT'S ALL GOOD TREK! LIKE IT! LIKE IT!"
- Corporations and the capitalists who own them, via Kurtzman.
"Leave me alone -.-"
90% of the fan base.
After watching 3 seasons of this show, I honestly really liked it, so I really wish Critical Drinker would make a new review. I know that Star Trek has a really bad record before this so it’s understandable why he is not hopeful for this show. But man it’s actually pretty good imo
I actually avoided this show because of this review. My kids started watching, and we all love the show now. I think you're right, I believe the drinker jumped the gun on this show.
I honestly agree.
Live long and prosper!
@@nerdsubculture845
The critical drinker is a moron, he hasn't had a decent take on a show or movie ever.
I agree! It had its growing pains early on but what show hasn't? It's good Trek that doesn't shit on canon.
@MystiqWisdom I agree with your initial assessment, but it grows beyond that. Occasionally, some of the jokes fall flat, but overall, it's a good show. It's not great, just good fun Trek.
They could just make it a series of Robot Chicken parody sketches and have a better show.
Hey sexy garbage boy.
like a growing number of people, I rarely go to the movies (years apart) and I don't subscribe to these horse shit streaming services. I often find out how bad they are through guys like Critical Drinker. And I really think the content creators ripping on this shit is giving me much more entertainment...for free.
Hey, could you two do a collab? Pretty please?
Did you run out of Pabst? I hear that stuff has metal shavings in it.
Dude that worked for Star Wars. Seth McFarlane needs to be the emperor if Ian McDiarmid falls ill or worse.
Seth gets the campy awesomeness of Ian's Palply, and that shows more respect for the title character than Star TP ever did
Remember when liking Star Trek used to brand you a nerd who likes the "boring science show?".. I kind of miss those days tbh.
@mike love Its annoying.
Star Trek uses a lot of pseudo science for their shows.
@@KalEl7802 How does your comment contribute to this thread?
@@KalEl7802 Yeah I know, just meant to the average person who never really watched it, they thought it was nerdy.
I remember when Star Wars & Star Trek fans would go to war with bottles and chains over the love of each IP. Now both camps are in ruin after a Disney/Kathleen & CBS/Kurtzman killed all will in both camps to fight. They just huddle together in the trenches waiting for the sweet release of death.
"When one has been angry for a very long time, one gets used to it. And it becomes comfortable, like… like old leather. And finally it becomes so familiar that one can't ever remember feeling any other way." - Picard, 'The Wounded'
@@MechaSegaNite "Not every quote people say are deep and meaningful, or even true."
-Sadie Butler Truemann
@@MechaSegaNite Sometimes it's also best to ask people or just walk away from discussions or statements you don't understand or haven't matured enough to appreciate, rather than belittle them, so that everyone will hopefully not notice your shallow and immature nature.
@@mattcritchley5670 When people don't understand things, it's a base human instinct to attack it. That's what we see with the growing legions of dumbasses across the country here in America.
@@mattcritchley5670 Looks like SadButTrue killed himself - his comments are nowhere to be found.
Picard, my adventures outside of the old folks home.
Honestly, I love it. Jack Quaid always gives his all. The modern live action shows are undoubtably shit but this is a really fun show looking at Star Trek from a different view never before seen.
"It's depressing to see beloved Francises go down in flames..."
- A wise man.
“How does it feel to watch all your favorite franchises die right in front of you...” - Rich Evans
''The 'Franchise"...is now DEAD !!!!
-A sad man.........
More like a swimming pool full of rancid shit.
tbh I dont really know any Francis personally
@@JanoyCresvaZero feels great!
The Orville: made by a man who has a genuine love of the Star Trek series, and wanted to share his love.
Modern Star Trek: made because money, they love money
Someone who loves money and isn't a fucking idiot would have hired the people who genuinely love Star Trek.
Those tards don't do it for the money. They are on a crusade.
The Orville: SO much better when it was called "Galaxy Quest."
Both creatively-purposeless failures.
Made because politics. They can't have thought that this would be profitable, nobody's that stupid.
It's funny that you mention Mary Sue in a Star Trek context, considering that the Mary Sue spawned from a Star Trek fanfic
Well, that's interesting.
(-:
The captain needs a certain amount of confidence and wisdom, or else why are they the captain?
This said, the point of a Star Trek captain is to go out and face the unknown. They can't always be right. They have to fail and recover or there's no point.
Kirk and Picard failed all the time and had to recover. Pike, Janeway, and Sisko - fail, fail, fail, recover, recover, recover. This is what gives the audience the confidence that the crew needs to have in the fact that the captains are worth their pay checks. Yeah that's right, paid in money. Forget all that "there's no money in the future" nonsense.
In the first season or two of STTNG, Wesley Crusher was annoyingly right about everything in every episode, to the point where you have to wonder how other starships survive without a Wesley on board. Everyone hated him about as much as Cousin Oliver from The Brady Bunch. Wesley was a Gary Stue. That's the male equivalent of a Mary Sue. Wesley wasn't right on target but he was close enough that I despised him in every scene.
Nobody likes a Mary Sue, or a Gary Stue.
@@protorhinocerator142 Youre Correct
@Ruosong Gao I'm not sure how "popular" they are. Especially today when they've become so common that there's a name for it and people are aware that they exist.
@@protorhinocerator142 I thought being good at things is only one aspect of a Mary Sue, the other being their unrelenting redeeming qualities? In that case I might challenge the idea of him being one by pointing out that while Wesley was incredibly bright and talented, he was also immature, impulsive, insecure, and at times irresponsible (hm). A smart dumb kid.
Despite hating Picard and Discovery after watching I found lower decks had some interesting ideas and was written with some love and nods to the good trek that came way before. I had reservations about it but then watched it for myself and thought it was pretty good. Interestingly the trailer makes it seem 100 times worse than it actually was.
It's a good show and you can see that the writers really love Star Trek
I'm sure you can do better, right? lmao
It’s actually a pretty great show after the first few episodes. It actually has really mature moments and character growth and is really respectful of the Federation and its mission, while still joking about the lack of agency the characters have. The first episode of season 3 demonstrates its message really well!
The Orville: When a comedic pardoy show is more like Star Trek than Star Trek, you have a problem.
The Orville isn't awesome or anything spectacular but it's definitely a funny show to throw on t.v.
Josh C
Exactly. It isn’t “awesome” or “spectacular” to the standards we expect from ST, but it’s closer ( *much* closer) than anything recently.
Man, i loved The Orville, some episodes are really well written and its characters have interesting arcs too.
The last two episodes of season 2 wouldn’t qualify as comedic ripoff in my book. Almost straight out of Voyager’s Year of Hell double feature.
Orville is almost a shot for shot remake of all the good episodes of the next generation. Its a literal miracle they werent sued for plagerism
Well, CBS has achieved one thing with this trailer: I'm going to try out The Orville.
Well worth it. Good storytelling, great characters and a decent dose of tongue-in-cheek humour.
Orville is the fucking shit!
@JOHN JOHN it's honestly not terrible. I enjoyed most of season 1, there's a few really fucking stupid things but it's decent for the most part. More good than bad, at least in the first season, I didn't watch farther than that.
Final Space is worth a punt as well. It is animated but beautiful. Decent script.
Orville is more Star Trek than Nu-Trek.
"...with the animation quality of South Park"
C'mon, don't insult South Park like that
I agree, he should've said that it is animation quality of a shitshow version of Final Space and Final Space is 4x much better then this crap right here, something I feel sorry for Star Trek fans because CBS doesn't give a crap about quality but only about profits from only the name brand.
At least South Park is funny and well written
I think it looks clean and generic, than South Park.
Where South Park looks more artistic and unique.
grievous549 I love South Park, always have, always will...I don’t have anything to say about the animated Star Trek non sense other than I won’t be watching it...a pointless comment yes...but animation quality has almost nothing to do with a good show...a lot of South Parks best episodes occurred in the earlier seasons when the animation was in its primitive phase
More like the animation quality of Family Guy... Where the lame bug-eyed characters just stand there and stare blankly as another dumbass joke is being born.
I started Lower Decks with skepticism, and first few episodes were shaky. However sad to say its the most enjoyable series of the 3 current ones, and is the most true to its TNG roots while poking at problems within the Trek universe at the same time.
It has found it's feet better in the later seasons, but relies heavily on member berries and cameo's to get the older crowd in, and I agree with the annoying continuation of useless/weak male leads. Also the Drinker was spot on, I would have been ~10 when I got into TNG and it captivated a younger me almost immediately, because it's genuinely good, a possible future to actually aspire to.
@@foxpants It takes a fan team to produce a truly masterful continuation of true Trek. I hope you are all already aware of *Star Trek Continues.* - Man, I love the fact there is one example to show how it can be done, to continue the lore faithfully, respectfully.
@@Dowlphin I wasn't aware but I sure will check it out now, cheers!
@@Dowlphin is that the same thing as Phase II?
@@joringedamke5597 If you mean New Voyages, I didn't really like that fan series. Continues is much better in my view, in several aspects.
The original Pike wasn’t boring and unlikable. Jeffrey Hunter didn’t want to be in a TV series.
True. I believe those are his words, in fact, describing the shows premier episode "the cage".
He wanted to do film. Sadly the environment of Hollywood changed and he ended up doing B movies. He died do to injuries suffered from a botched special effect involving explosives. I think Star Trek could have been the brake that could have stabilized his career. I did like him as pike. I liked the 50s feel of the characters, and their interaction.
@@dirus3142 He died from a stroke after falling down some steps and hitting his head, six months after the accident on set. No evidence the two are linked. His son blamed his alcoholism.
No he listened to his stupid wife thereby giving the Shat a lifetime career that continues to this day. Noice!
No, HIS WIFE didn't want Jeffery Hunter doing TV. "My husband is a FILM STAR," were her exact words to the executives.
The Critical Drinker is pretty much the only reviewer I trust anymore.
Edit: Cheers for the suggestions guys and dolls. I hadn't heard of a few of those :)
IKR!!!!
And RLM
same here friend.
The Drinker as well as Mike and Rich from RLM along with Rob Myer Burnett and the Lorerunner are the only Star Trek critics I trust. RLM is the best at being funny while really going indepth on Trek while Lorerunner is the best at examinations with his ruminations but they are all great.
Not to advertise under someones videos, but if you haven't allready, check out r e d l e t t e r m e d i a
The Drinker was so depressed about this new Star Trek show that he couldn’t even finish his iconic line
When the reviewer is so lazy, he can't even show current depictions of RT scores and relies on old screenshots from a year or two ago.
Gonna cry?
@@glyphsaiyan858 I mean 51%, 37% and 57% aren't numbers to brag about either.
He's just subverting our expectations, how are you so blind??
@@glyphsaiyan858 lol, you're new here so I'm gonna cut you a break. But, make like a tree and get outta here
Any update post about how much striking fun lower decks is?
But it isn't.
@@chadking3793 why not?
Star Trek fans: "We want a new ST show,that goes back to the roots and respects Gene Roddenberry´s vision of intelligent Sci-Fi."
CBS: "Hey,Rick & Morty is huge atm. Let´s make a shitty knockoff,of that animated show. That´s how we´re gonna get the ST fans back."
It´s like these people have some sort of perverted bet going on,with K.Kennedy, which can ruin their respective franchises in more horrible ways or something, WTF?!
Almost like they're listening to the fans' conversation through a door. A _vault_ door.
@@whiterabbit75 ...are you saying this is all a Vault-Tec experiment?
...it would make a kind of sense.
@@eldritchedward "Vault-2020's goal was to expose the vault dwellers to progressively worse spin-offs of beloved franchises to study how fanbases divide and if they will gradually come to accept the horrible content."
It's almost like they are doing that with Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, and that this is something entirely different.
But yeah. I guess we can shit on things?
So much for : "You asked, we listened"
You know, if you put your cellphone down for more than 15 sec and actually take the time for a nice bothway conversation, maybe I'll feel listened too.
This relationship between CBS/Startrek Fans is on the verge of Divorce. Heck we're already cheating them with "The Orville".
Star Trek: The Musical
Star Trek: Cooking with Replicators
Star Trek: Real Wives of the Federation
Drachinifel: Episode 3,046, Federation Shuttles
The Many Lives of Scotty
I'd watch a Star Trek: Top Gear. And I'd be curious about a Family feud Cardassians vs Klingons.
Ferengi host: "Name a thing hewmans like."
Cardassian: "Root beer."
Ferengi Host: "Show me root beer!"
*DING!*
Ferengi Host: "Name a thing hewmans like."
Klingon: "Cowering in dishonor under their soft beds..."
*X*
Of course, even writing something as simple as that requires more love for Star Trek than whoever is in charge of it right now.
Star trek: k'lana, the Vulcan pimple popper.
Star Trek: Extreme Living Quarters Makeover Edition.
"Oh, this decor has to go. Hel-looo, Stardate 45789.1 is calling. They want their wall pictures of nebulas back. Let's replace those with more modern pictures of galaxies instead."
Ok, I gotta admit, the real wives sounds pretty cool. All of Kirk and Riker's women dishing, oh yeah, count me in for that one. Why not, I have certainly seen enough DVD outtakes and interviews of them and Bond women too. THAT show could work, but this absolute garbage they are tossing out ishideouss.
Traveling with Tribbles
I feel sorry for Star Trek fans. I feel sorry for fans of many franchises that are being driven into the ground by uncreative hacks.
I feel sorry for the new generation that may consider it as the original source material.
Meh. Just don't follow franchises and you'll be fine.
It's not so bad as long as their work doesn't exist in your mind.
Even "uncreative hacks" turn out something interesting by accident once an ice age. They are simply incompetent. Remember "The Peter Principle"? CBS revels in it so much that this "descent into irrelevance" would make so-so TV.
Do you want to know the truth and what’s really going on here? See “Science Fiction and the hidden global agenda “ by Carl James. The Star Trek Agenda lecture here: ua-cam.com/video/Wz6NkjxNWJA/v-deo.html
I actually like this show. It's actually trying to be Trek and makes regular jabs at new Trek.
Same
Same. Once you get past the first couple of episodes it's pretty good and gets better as it goes along. Much closer to the 90's trek than the other modern treks.
@@LazzaRuss
Agree, and towards the end of season two the show really hit a good stride
Same. The first episode lies to you, when you get passed the first few there’s a lot of fun to be had 👍
Agreed!
Star trek was once best described as 'the thinking mans adventure' but there is no place for such a thing in a world where people are taught not to think...
The new iterations of that puke they call Star Trek are humus, made for the
Labotamots of the planet Labotomy. Rather than giving us ''the Thinking Mans Adventure''....they've spewed out pablum for the ''Absent Of Mind"....!!!
Thought crime does not entitle death
@@Handlelesswithme Unless you can THINK SOMEONE TO DEATH ..............
Mesmerizing powers activate
@@lebanese3000 Well...in that case....I apologize to ''humus''. I meant to be clear in my assertion that those ''things'' are on the level of FECES !
"Animation quality of southpark "
It wishes.
I mean yeah. By comparing it to south park, family guy and Rick and Morty he actually made me wanna watch at least the first episode as I did enjoy those 3 series and am not a rabid Star Trek fan, so I can enjoy a non-canon spinoff for what it is.
@@johnallen3033
To be honest the series is fine if you dont load it with expectations of what it should be and enjoy it as a non canon comedy spinoff. I watched the three episodes that are out and pretty much none of the stuff said in this video is accurate as far as the characters go. It's no masterpiece, bit it is ok for a bit of mild entertainment when you just want to relax.
@@SangerZonvolt may as well watch something else then, I doubt anyone is this bored
@@luigiwiiUU
Why would I watch something else when I enjoy this one though?
@@SangerZonvolt oof
To paraphrase Bree Larson: if you're a straight, white, TOS-loving person, this franchise isn't made for you anymore
That lazer-like focus on 3% of the population....
Then the audience doesnt exist lol
Lol new star trek is made for people who don't even like star trek.
I don't know why they can't just make star trek for the fans. We ain't going anywhere
Awww, your white fragility is showing.
@@LePedant black votes matter
Critical Drinker, it's time to dredge this back up and get a follow-on review... we've got four seasons under our belt now, and while you're usually right on the money this is one of those times that I think the product evolved and matured into something remarkable. Is it TOS, TNG, DS9, or Enterprise Trek? No... but it's not supposed to be. If ever there was a show that was able to reflect on and satirize an entire genre (generally) and a beloved franchise (specifically), this has turned out to be it. It pokes massive fun at what it is and where it comes from, but it does so 100% of the time with absolute adoration and (usually) in a surprisingly thoughtful way. So I challenge you to take this one back up for a second look, either now or wait until the fifth and final season concludes. If (when?) you do, you may have changed your mind or you may still see it as 'modern audience drivel.' And it's fine either way, but I'd respectfully posit that this is one of those instances where further reflection would be rewarding and enlightening. :)
If you like a less optimistic, more grim star trek, they already did that perfectly twenty five years ago. It is called Deep Space 9.
Farscape is another good pick for that
Can somebody remember Andromeda?
@@WillHayes44 I think most people are actively trying to forget "Andromeda".
@@michaeldriggers7681 Oh, come on...
@@WillHayes44 ok ok, the first season was pretty good, but the more control Kevin Sorbo got, the worse the show got. The last season was pretty much unwatchable.
It’s like Kathleen Kennedy had a baby with Futurama and Star Trek Discovery.
That's not fair, the worst Futurama got was "slightly less than stellar". Dosen't deserve to be lumped in with this tripe.
@@KorriTimigan the original run was fantastic. Its return was pretty trash.
KorriTimigan It’s not a slight at Futurama. If one was to have the worlds best steak but you had to top it with vomit and human excrement it’s not likely you would remember the steak. Futurama can only do so much.
I'm hardly the first to say it, but modern Trek is made by and for people who don't like Star Trek.
Who dont like star trek to market to people who dont like star trek, but who want name recognition of star trek.
Just like Star Wars and anything else you can imagine. It's just title-flaying for the "edgy counter-culturists" who have zero plan or idea of what comes after everything's been torn down. They don't care. They never will.
@@deedlessdeity218 it's people who cant create on their own, and yet they think they can do better, so they take over the existing properties to transform them into their twisted social justice vision.
Same as communism, they can't create, they just want to take control of existing industries to serve them.
And incidentally, most of the social justice people are commies, and tor a reason. No actual solution, just a disdain for what is here.
@@SnakeWasRight An accurate and logical analysis.
It's the same in a lot of franchises. Any of you like Dungeons & Dragons?
I used to, before it was ruined by a company that is actively insulting its customer base.
I'm trying to think of anything I used to love that wasn't ruined by post-post-modernist bullshit. It's a hard think.
I never intended to watch lower decks, it looked really childish and not the kind of thing I would be interested in.
However I ended up binging the first season on a long haul flight and watched the next three seasons when I got home.
It's honestly really got the star trek feeling whilst also being a fun heartfelt parody of everything which came before. Didn't think I would like the characters but ended up loving them and their development.
As someone who is pretty sceptical of new trek I would deffinately reccomend!
Star Wars: We're going to alienate our loyal fanbase in the worst way possible!
Star Trek: Hold my beer.
I think you mean Romulan ale.
...or Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster..
@@jimtaylor294 don't give them ideas or they might reboot hitchhikers guide next
@@vonfaustien3957 True.
I had to mention the legendary mind pummeling drink though :D .
Dont worry, someone will hand JJ Blade runner in due course and then the destruction of my childhood will be complete.,
There's no way this was written by a person. They're testing their machine learning algorithms. Clearly it still needs some work
LMAO!!!
Only people can fuck things up this bad...
Pretty sure the AI would give people what they want and therefore be labelled racist.
@@iandaley1871 lol pretty sure some ais have been called racist.
Ai wouldnt give people what they want only what they "train" it to produce
@@iandaley1871 The is a subreddit simulator AI on reddit that was banned for spamming the n-word like an angry plantation owner.
Just when you think Star Trek has hit rock bottom, you discover that Star Trek's bottom has a lower deck
^ this.
Somebody take Star Trek off of CBS's hands for the love of everything that is holy
Okay, that was pretty good.
Good one.
@@RobotronSage who would you even put into now? Everyone practically is ENFORCING "progressive" ideals without the ability to even write the stories and characters. Its truly disgusting to take a beloved name and just puke stuff on top of it without any care about the original source material.
Thank you for that...at least your remark has more humor and creativity that that mess the dare to put in front of us.
I feel you were quick to judge Star Trek Lower Decks. I'd love to know if a year on, it is any good?
The main character definitely doesn't seem like a Mary Sue and all of the cast are equally flawed, and their actions fuel the plot most of the time. I've seen clips and from season 2 at least, and it seems pretty good. A light hearted take on Star Trek with respectable storylines to the lore, actually believable interactions between characters, and waaaaay more entertaining than anything else Star Trek has to suffer. I'd be tempted to watch the whole thing.
The trailer definitely doesn't seem to line up with raw clips of the show, at least as far as I can see?
I've already watched the seasons currently out for it and admittedly I didn't grow up watching star trek but I really enjoy it and it makes me want to watch other star trek things, I don't see any obvious Mary sues, they all have flaws which are worked on throughout the series with humor mixed in. I would recommend watching it, personally, if you haven't already
Oh, and why do they act like Star Trek has never featured the crew outside of the Bridge team before? Engineering has always been heavily featured, as well as medical.
Voyager did a lower decks episode as well!
Because they're completely ignorant of the franchise, and build their shows around the memes rather than the premise.
Or the episode of deep space nine where jake and bashir are stuck on the planet where a ground war is going against the Klingons and you see the grunts and other more lowly people who are dying in the trenches so to speak.
@@RuddsReels I seem to recall a TNG episode called "Lower Decks" about a group of lowly ensigns or something. I think one of them was a Vulcan.
This is a Star Trek show done by people who never watched Star Trek for people who never watched Star Trek.
*Damn, you can tell how upset Drinker is.*
He didn't even bother to end this video with his usual; _"Anyway, that's all I've got for today. Go away, now!"_
That's how upset he is. Out of character means serious business.
Shows like this make me think, quit my job, become a screenwriter. Just tweak every story where a strong black woman is the main character.
You wouldn't even need talent. It's Hollywood. All you have to do as a screenwriter is vomit Leftist talking points.
And have her die in different, imaginative ways, every episode. We'll call her Black Kenny.
Since this is a cartoon, I was wondering how many characters got the old "paint tool" used on them at the last minute. I'm not saying they did that... but it's obviously a big concern for media companies and studios right now. They're getting extorted by racist activists who target their sponsors, which makes them lose money, so then they take the activist advice and go and make terrible content, which makes them lose money again. But somehow it's still our fault...
In other words, you are a racist.
@@cindygreene3353 How about you don't put it in other words? You don't seem to be very good at paraphrasing other people's opinions, so don't make it even more difficult for yourself.
You should really watch this one. You'd be surprised how much this is in the spirit of TNG. Yeah, the puns may be a little over the top, but it's very well written, with great character development in a story arc spanning pretty much the whole series. The episodic format also well done, you can pretty much watch each episode on its own once the main characters have been introduced. There's no pandering to any "message" other than the social criticism TOS and TNG have always done. No major character is truly dumb or incompetent, even they may appear so at first glance. Everyone's strength and motivations are reveald sooner or later in the series. Obviously I can't know, but the writers really seemed to have had a plan for the entire series from the onset. A five year mission, character plotlines and and a story told well.
Seems it's all I got for you today, so go away now. 😂
"Kurtzman is currently overseeing no less than 4 shows and that's 3 more than he's capable of managing"
I'm impressed by your optimism there, not sure why everyone thinks you're so negative with hopes that high.
And he's got Clarice too, he's going to wreck the Hannibal Lecter universe.
@Michael Harvey I miss the old Jews, Sure they were nepotic, but only with the competent ones. People act all offended when people say Jews ran Hollywood in its golden age. That's a huge fucking compliment, I'd kill to make shit that good. At this point, Mel Brooks among others needs to be cryogenically frozen ASAP and dethawed and uploaded into young bodies or else Hollywood will never have talent again. Couse, we really should discover necromancy cause we need George Burns, his wife Gracie and the Three Stooges and Leonard Nimoy too. Like very desperately.
@Greg Simoes >>> _"4 shows"_
I would say that is at least *5 MORE* than Kurtzman is capable of handling....
Kurtzman cant even manage the one he should be managing
@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman not arguing with that math
I’d rather watch Star Trek: Upper Decker
You’ll never believe where the Captain hid his log.
Note: If you do not know what an upper decker is, google: upper decker urban dictionary. Enjoy.
It's like the porn parody where the female ensign asked Kirk to use her as a toilet, so he Shatner.
THIS show kind of remindz me if Rick and Morty had a baby with Family Guy and then Family Guy adopted a younger sibling called "Final Space" why is everyone hating on this show I don't get it????
Top drawer.
Fans Looking at modern Adult Animation: "Wait, it's all Rick and Morty Knockoffs?"
Investors: "Has been since 2016."
Under rated comment
Rick and Morty's been slamming it's head into a doorframe trying to commit suicide. Especially the last season. Just do 20 minutes of setting Roiland up to perform a solid 20 minutes improv on his own. Animate it done. End it.
Investors: "always has been"
*cocks gun*
so we just gonna ignore the Harley Quinn series?
@@tylerleach1833 That's an exception. It's good, but it unfortunately doesn't change the fact that most Modern Adult animation is still shallow stuff like this.
I'm so glad this video ended up aging horribly! Both Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds have been quite good so far
Sadly you haven't seen season 5 then...
Now that you likely have are you still arguing?
It was definitely better than he expected but died on the wokest whimper when NOBODY wanted it
Somewhere in Milwaukee Mike and Rich are raising a glass to the Critical Drinker.
Some say that if you listen very closely at night, you can hear Rich's laugh echo through Milwaukee streets, followed by Mike's drunken cackle.
I recognized that and I clapped!
@@p.bamygdala2139 IT BROKE NEW GROUND!
@@p.bamygdala2139 So cool! So cool!
The problem I'm seeing with current entertainment is that they're hiring people who think it's cool to crap on the past. It's a niche, hipster, SJW thing. They live in a bubble and have developed a cult of themselves, believing themselves to be cool and funny.
Seth meyers effect
Thats what my grandad used to say about me for wearing baggy jeans and listening to metal.
Yep SJW, woke culture
You mean like these guys? ua-cam.com/video/lVmmYMwFj1I/v-deo.html
@@sherlockinsomniac Metalheads wanted to do their own thing, not tell everyone else how to be and what to say and not say otherwise we will go into conniptions.
"Go to CBS to See BS!" Yeah, yeah, it's not original, but neither are they.
*snare sting*
I love it, I'm so gonna use that!
Bro, that's pretty dope Mad Max video!
@@maskedcadaver Thanks. I try.
And then they want you to pay for a special service to watch the shit cause they don’t even put it on Tv and cable anymore
3 years later, I'm happy to see that this Drinker Review doesn't represent what Lower Decks is. I avoided it like the plague at first because after shows like Picard and Discovery, I certainly was NOT into the idea of a cartoon parody jokey show that picked fun at something I loved... But now having seen 2 seasons of Strange New Worlds -- an actual GOOD TREK SHOW in the 2020's no less -- I was willing to give Lower Decks a go. I was ready to have some fun to go beside the (mostly) taken seriously Strange New Worlds. And I gotta say... i LOVE Lower Decks. I love it a lot, actually. It's REALLY good, and you can tell the people involved give a damn about Trek because it celebrates it in the most fun way... praising Trek while poking fun at it's ridiculousness. It's the PRAISING part that is important because you can tell the jokes at Trek's expense come from a place of love. It's not vile, crule, or meanspirited like you get from other shows and movies that seem to want to dump on things we like.
I would genuinely say watch Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks. Give them another go if you gave up on them before. I think you will find them to be quite enjoyable!
Thankfully, the negatives that are given in this review are not things that came to light. Boimler (purple hair guy) is an awkward punching bag, but he's extremely intelligent and competent and they show that constantly, he's just also naïve. Mariner (the gal he's with) is the hot-shot street-smart ensign, who has lots of experience and contacts, but really sucks at being "starfleet", only being IN it for reasons that are revealed quickly. Lower Decks is entirely lacking in the mean-spirited, social politics that exist today. Lower Decks IS for people who love Trek.
Best example of Boimler kicking ass is in the Borg test. He saves the Borg babies, beats the Queen at chess, and teaches her empathy. 100% 😂
Same, I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Between the final Picard, Strange New Worlds, and this... I almost have hope again...
Right? Drinker is being a whiner, gotta wonder if he even watched it or if he's just too sour at this point to enjoy comedy.
Your comment was truly helpful. They fK other Francise in the name of inclusiveness... They focus more on LGBTQUVWXYZ++ rather than story but we are fans we don't care unless the story is good and engaging
Gene Roddenberry is spinning in his grave at Warp 9
Someone get Wesley Crusher, we need him to utilise the corpses rotational velocity to power our new gallant-class starship.
Warp 9.9
At this point i Imagine he's past warp 10
Not to be "that guy" but Gene Roddenberry was cremated, and some of his ashes were launched into space.
No at Trans Warp.
Star Wars is for when you want space battles and blasters; Star Trek is for when you want space exploration and hope for the future.
Huh, someone gets it, too bad both now covers both... in the WORST way possible
Star wars does have some good story watch Dave filoni explains the prequels
@@screwistic fuck yeah bröther
@Kryptoskillet i dont know about that one chief, and i am a star wars fan XD
@Kryptoskillet, You should have paid more attention in science class.
Why does every crappy animated show have almost exactly the same style these days
Or Maybe we just grew out of Animation...or we only focus on the bad sides. Idk
But i do agree with Buchi's statement. This animation style and designs (and other similar) is the one that is currently in right now. same as how shows from. The same era has the same vibes as each other.
Cause its hilarious. You prefer the Simpsons or something? Maybe some Ren and Stimpy? Transformers and HeMan? Pick your poison.
@Christian Chavarria Nah. Its getting repetitive at this point.
alas , ive said enough for this video. So Enjoy nothing more from me 👋
@Christian Chavarria I'm going to scroll through all the comments and find your other one. Thats seems like a good use of my time.
Its a style designed to dumb down people and alienate personality development. Have you seen 80's cartoons? These were very different. He Man, Thundercats, Silverhawks and many more were done quite realistically and they did their work. Today a talking balloon is a succesffull franchise, were there is no skill and no development in the drawings.
I stumbled on this out of curiosity, and honestly, after watching the whole show, this reveal really doesn't hit at all. He's picking apart the marketing mistakes, but he doesn't actually have anything to say about lower decks. Its a great show, and has nailed the soul of old trek, not the smart part, but the fun part. If you dont like satire thats fine, but dont look at it for five seconds and scare any potential fans away, thats just not fair to the fans or the franchise (as unfaithful as it has been lately)
Drinker is a surface level grifter, he doesn't actually care about the shows he reviews, but he knows he can make a quick buck catering to his trash audience and their hate
When The Drinker shouts “Leave Me Alone!” instead of his signature sign-off phrase, you know he ran out of whiskey the night before and has been drinking gin since noon.
Nah, he finally realised that was Charlie Brooker's sign-off.
They’re actually making these new shows to piss people off. And after watching Star Trek: Picard, they’re doing an EXCELLENT job at it!
It's working for me. I haven't even seen the entire official trailer, but the short clips in this video got my Trekkie blood boiling like a combination of Klingon battle fever and Vulcan pon farr...
SWEARING IN STAR TREK
IS LOWERING THE QUALITY
AND IQ LEVEL
Yeah, excessive swearing is so off putting, it feels like it was written by a 13 y/o trying to be edgy.
@@alidaraie well it was, because most the humans working these jobs don't have kids so aren't considered adults.
you know it's actually appalling how the job market favors independent yuppy types to family guys
The constant affirmations of Tilly are the worst part of the show.
@@arcadealchemist fatherhood is integral to manhood. I was raised Mennonite where that is taken for granted. Many males are suffering from arrested development!
How could the writers forget that there is no money, poverty and swearing in Star Trek's future?
I loved Lower Decks. It felt like a reward for having watched every previous episode of Trek rather than Picard punishing me for being a Trek fan.
I (kinda) like Picard, but I couldn't endure LD.
It really looks like Star Trek made by people who've never heard of Star Trek before and were told what it is by someone who hates Star Trek.
That applies to all things Star Trek ever since 2009.
@@jamiebraswell5520 True. But it bears repeating as often as possible to remind people of the travesty.
Sorry to break it to you but the writers of this show know more about trek than you. They have so many Easter eggs hidden, like exact conversion of stardates. But I guess crying about a silly kids show is now something adult, self proclaimed, fans do.
@@Lancor84
use of a stardate conversion calculator readily available to anyone with access to a web browser does not make one a fan
@@Lancor84 LOL. Buddy, I saw the trailer, they don't know jack about Star Trek. So someone fed them a few lines to make "easter eggs"? They have exact stardates? So what? Technical precision in quoting someone else's work or a fictional (and meaningless, given what the original creators said) doesn't compensate for half-assed, incompetent writing and an utter lack of understanding of anything that makes Star Trek-the real one-enjoyable and entertaining. Lower Drecks is basically what you get when a C-level university student is told to take a creative writing class and writes fanfic for homework. Sure, it's got all the technical aspects and data points right; all the stuff you can look up on the Internet. But its characters, characterization, and plot all scream "rank amateur" at best, and "outright hack" at worst.
I don't know whether you're a butthurt fanboy of Jar-Jar Trek or just a CBS shill paid to try and change the narrative, but either way, you're pathetic. I've been watching Star Trek since I was a kid: i didn't need a shitty, piss-poor retard's version of Trek like this Lower Drecks garbage. I was watching and enjoying the shows back when I was 8. I know Trek. You-and the writers of this abortion-clearly do NOT.
Go read some books, kid. And none of that post-modernist deconstruction shit, read some of the good stuff that built the stories in the first place. Maybe then you'll appreciate good writing. ...Or maybe not. Either way, your opinion is as worthless as that liberal arts degree you're aiming for.
I haven't been told to "go away now". Help, I think I'm stuck here forever now
An endless cycle
the worst part about this is that the concept of a star trek show centered around the goings on of the lower decks is a good idea. You could do a lot of interesting things with the concept, show all the off screen inner workings of a starship, The perspectives of the crew about their higher up's, show how despite their low rankings the work they do are arguably the most important job's on the ship. after all a good captain is necessary for direction and leadership but without a good maintenance crew the ship a'int going nowhere.
But instead of that we just got this abomination.
Star Trek: The Next Generation, Season 7, Episode 15, Lower Decks
from wikipedia:
In this episode, while enduring the Enterprise's promotion evaluation process, four junior officers find themselves involved in a top-secret mission[1] and is noted for its focus on non-main characters. The episode also brings back Sito Jaxa (Shannon Fill) previously introduced in "The First Duty".
This episode is noted for focusing on a group of guest characters, rather than the main cast, and for its emotional impact. It has been rated highly among the series' episodes.
@@hamyncheese The fact that they successfully pulled this off before. Just pisses me off even more.
@@mikerueffer579 We watch about 5-7 episodes of TNG, DS9, and Voyager at my house on a weekly basis. It is so satisfying to watch.
The new "Star Trek" is a frenetic mess that leaves me anxious and agitated.
@@hamyncheese It's what happens when you let overly neurotic freaks make the decisions.
@@mikerueffer579 there's nothing wrong with being a neurotic freak, if anything it's a bonus in this context. The problems lie completely elsewhere.
8:14
THANK YOU! I’ve been saying this shit for years that just because they don’t have the experience of age doesn’t mean you should treat them like morons.
After being forced to watch modern “kids” movies with my family (I’m the oldest by around 7 years), it always pissed me off how simple and stupid the dialogue is because they think children are fragile. Too fragile that they can’t handle mature themes like maintaining functional relationships or death.
Children that inevitability grow up and will get pissed that you thought they were an idiot.
I don’t know about anyone else but went back at the movies of my childhood like The Lion King, Shrek, Mulan, Toy Story, I was surprised by the themes they covered. It’s alsmost as if the filmmakers respected the adults being forced to watch with their kids by making it enjoyable for everyone. Hell, even stuff like Space Jam respected my intelligence by going places didn’t need to go.
When I was a kid, my favorite movies were Star Wars, back to the Future, The Hunt for Red October and sister act. Some of them have a little goofiness or some jokes but generally they're pretty serious. I could never get into the really goofy slapstick stuff, at a young age it just wasn't as interesting as the high stakes gambits and consequences from more complex movies
Ye. The Lion King may have the cute characters and catchy songs for kids to enjoy, but the adults will get a surprisingly very biblical movie.
*Avatar - The Last Airbender* would be a good example of high-quality kids TV. Quite the mature themes in it, but kids can totally handle that when conveyed in the right style.
Also, as a reverse example, of course, *MLPFiM,* a show made for young girls, but because the show creation was a work of love, with the fan enthusiasm factor, and made with compassion for parents watching with their kids in mind 😅, it is quite delightful to watch for adults, too, at least those not totally jaded by the grimdark side of reality.
He was raised on a healthy mixture of Soviet classics of animation and pictures by PIXAR and Dreamworks - they gave unforgettable impressions and inspiration.
They knew how to joke and were not afraid to raise serious topics.
Therefore, both children and adults love them.
I didn’t like Disney at first sight, and I still have a wild allergic reaction to him.
They seemed so... hysterical.
Now I look and am disgust at what idiots the creators of this crap take us for.
What’s annoying is not even the quality and primitivism, but the expectation that we will really empathize with complete scum of the level of Family Guy.
@@Dowlphin
Yes! Great example!
I remember when my brother and I came across him on TV, we watched it all day, he fascinated us so much.
And for God's sake don't mention MLP, I'm starting to start rainbow foaming from my ears
Something i would've never imagined in star trek. Shaming someone's nudity like it is something that should scare you to the point of screaming. Screaming in 24th century because a naked body.
Keep in mind this is after two main start trek characters had a NUDE WEDDING and the punchline was that one of the guests found it inappropriate to attend nude, while everyone else was baffled why.
In space....no one can hear you scream........
That's logic and consideration tho.. you can see the problem. In the writers room.. it's the most rad argument wins.. then they spindle the plot to carry all the emo gags. :P
Remember when lwaxana troi argued with her daughter about culturally appropriating and NOT attending her wedding nude, and at the end of the episode did so in an entirely serious setting, no one cracked any jokes, not even wesley. That was just part of Betazoid culture and was not a joke. Now we have that BS? That's a giant step backwards from what the show from the 90's did
Why does every animated series have this kind of art style now? For the last 5-6 years it seems every cartoon has this art style and it's just awful.
It’s cheap! Essentially the modern digital version of He-Man or those 1970’s Hanna-Barberra cartoons where they have a set number of adaptable movements. I actually like how they seem to have made some effort to evoke the TNG-era art design in the ship and displays, but the characters honestly look crap.
First thing I noticed too. That new star wars animated show has it as well.
It’s called cal arts and it sucks.
Cal Arts is responsible for this garbage look.
It is lousy cartoon-making, but that's not the problem. Bullwinkle had simple graphics but was a funny, witty cartoon.
Star Trek Creators: Hey here's another show no one asked for.
Star Trek Fans: "Stop he's already dead!!"
I greatly appreciate TheCriticalDrinker's reviews and insights. And usually find myself in strong agreement. And so I was surprised to see how much he disliked this series. My brother and I, both around at the dawn of TOS, actually look forward to discussing each episode as it drops. To us, it truly appears that the writers are über fans of Star Trek. Allusions to TOS, DS9, TNG are everywhere, knowing throwaways and Easter eggs appear throughout each episode. The plots are interesting and often unpredictable. And the core message is very true to Star Trek. Doing it "the Federation Way" is a tenet throughout the series. I agree with another reviewer that it would be interesting to see if TheCriticalDrinker still holds the negative take show that he has in this review. If he does, that's totally fine - we'll just agree to disagree on this one.
He won't, because that won't earn him the clicks. I used to watch his reviews a while back, but realized he is just a bitter asshole that is upset that the world has passed him by.
The fact that it's drawn in the now all-too-common CalArts style is reason enough to avoid it.
thats not calarts style, is final space style, im pretty sure they are the same ones, even the cat “model” looks like its the same but different colors.
@@saphi20 Agreed. This isn't exactly "Calarts". It looked like they traced the artstyle of Final Space.
This is more of "generic adult cartoon style that most generic adult cartoons use now because they think it's what made other adult cartoons popular".
It’s not Cal-Arts style. It’s the GoAnimate style.
The people who “popularised” the style didn’t study at Cal-Arts.
The term was coined by John K., one of the greasiest bastards in animation who is bitter that animators are more influenced by Disney and Pixar’s style rather than his.
@Danny Morrissey no. even that failed what it could have been. I recall the concept video Olan made for it. It was much better, darker, more dramatic, still had the goofy humour tho. Then the studio came along, and i don't blame Olan Rogers, this was his break.... but the version they released, i felt it was dumbed down, made to appeal to generic, kid friendly mass market.
This isn't calarts. Steven universe is quintessential calarts.
Regardless; still unwatchable. Just like steven universe.
Yep this is what Gene Roddenberry envisioned when he came up with star trek.
He also envisioned Deanna Troi being blue skinned with six boobs.
Dude, get over yourself. Roddenberry had nothing to do with DS9 ( the best trek), Voyager, or enterprise. Just another tired butthurt fanboy.
Thing is, I don't think Roddenberry would have disliked the idea of a more lighthearted Stat Trek series that was from the point of view of a rank-and-file member Starfleet. But he wouldn't have wanted it to be... whatever the fuck _that_ is! O.o
One must remember from what time Gene Roddenberry lived. The political scene was completely different from what it was when Star Trek restarted. Especially how women were looked at and treated. Just like today is a different political view than back in the 80s and 90s. Hollywood has took on a more progressive political correct view. It's the time of the SJWs a total role reversal now woman are the heroes and men are the objects looked down on. For a time humanity seemed to be learning from the past. But it seems that the portion of the last couple generations have regressed. The majority of these in my opinion are the kid and grand kids of the yuppie crowd of the 60s and 70s who of which alot of those are now our current college professors and CEOs. Like those in Hollywood.
@@kenjett2434 , Hollywood (and the media) don't represent the majority of what people think. They represent what they want everyone to think is what everyone thinks. The sjw's are the minority.
Well, they're boldly going where the franchise has never gone before -- into a complete void of creative bankruptcy and idiocy.
@Emperor Ssraeshza That's what we thought, but it seems it was just the vestibule of void..
I honestly would've preferred more Kelvin timeline films in the same vein as Star Trek Beyond. That film was the closest we've gotten to authentic Star Trek since 2005, and I'd gladly take it over anything Kuntzman has shat out.
@@SolarDragon007 You're right! That movie felt very self contained and episodic in nature. I thought it was pretty fun.
It's interesting that "The Orville", actually written by Seth MacFarlane ended up being far more respectful than the "real" franchise is now. That show even had a couple of pretty thought provoking episodes. Maybe because the man is a legitimate fan of the original series'.
Tbh, if you watch this show you can tell the writers are also fans of the old Trek. They poke fun at some of the sillier stuff and it can come off as a bit of nostalgia bait, but it seems like these references and riffs come from a sincere place of love.
@@danic_c 100% I agree
I found Orville to be missing too much of the real core, dunno. It was like a well-meaning copy job of someone who might be a fan, but not one of the smartest fans.
An excellent example for fans doing great stuff with the lore is, of course, *Star Trek Continues.*
@@Dowlphin Orville is 100% it's own show, though. I just mean that a brief shadow of the *feeling* I got from the latter ST:VOY or early ST:ENT franchises is there. On the other hand, the newer proper Star Trek shows have had none of the flavour of the past.
My point is simply that for a standalone, humor based show that isn't even in the same IP, the Orville felt a whole lot more like the 1990s Star Treks. It is also my opinion that the new ones have been an absolute dumpster fire. Typical of much that comes out of Hollywood these days. Lots of action sequences, shallow characters and even more shallow social commentary.
When you have to resort to endless sex and toilet based humour, you're not a comedian. You're Melissa McCarthy making 'queef' and 'you shit yourself' jokes in Ghostbusters 2016. And down that road, madness lies.
so apparently youre channeling Nostradamus because you just predicted thunder force
Ah so Amy Schumer
@@zenituragaming5043 no I find plenty of female comedians funny, it’s just Amy as I personally believe isn’t a funny person who relies on stolen jokes, sex jokes, and fart jokes to get laughs.
@@zenituragaming5043 bruh, if the comment was about a male comedian I woulda done the same thing cuz as I said I think Amy is a shitty comedian. Doesn’t mean I am a big dick asshole who hates all women, what kinda logic is that shit. Hell there is plenty of women who think Amy is a shitty comedian. It’s like when people called Ben Shapiro Anti-Semetic (Racist to jews) even though he himself is Jewish. Hell you just assumed I was a guy for all you know I’m a woman, in this case your right but still. You came here as a big dicked white knight and shit and just assumed we were misogynist for no fuckin reason. So go back down your well you poor excuse of a white knight troglodyte.
@@doctorsno906 oh so you listen to Ben Shapiro as well that really says something
"Let's capture Rick and Morty's audience with Star Trek's marketing."
I watch Rick and Morty occasionally and even I wouldn’t touch this pile of shit with a ten foot pole
It won't work, we're smarter than that..
Plus the Rick & Morty crew seem to be sabotaging their own show since their tired or bored of it now..
I mean, the idea of a Star Trek cartoon isn't a bad one... it's just that this is not the type of cartoon it should have been. It is utterly derivative, cynical, and still plagued by the stupid ass problems the live shows have. Namely in it being set in the utterly botched kelvin timeline.
Just go back to the real trek timeline, throw this all away and start over with the trek that is actually good. >__>
@carlangas world let is just remember the animated series as the true animated series.
I think they were more trying to reclaim the audience The Orville won over.
"we are _so_ getting fired for this."
since about 2009, language in comedy hasn't changed - it's ironic, detached, caustic-sarcastic. what a joke. and not a funny one.
It's SO tiresome.
Actually, come to think of it, I think I started hearing shit like "We are sooooooo fired" in the 90s...
@I will make operational deflector shields legal! Holy crap, I entirely forgot about that show!! 0.o
@I will make operational deflector shields legal! Wow thank you for that. Really well done.
@I will make operational deflector shields legal! Your statement is quite concerning indeed. I guess it's what happen when the cultural people throw all creativity, respect for the audience, and even self-respect out of the window. They become just junkies for the last fashionable politically/socially correct think (also in movies, series, cartoons, adds, business rules, political programs, etc).
.
The big problem is, it probably acts as an accelerator. Because so much people seem to see the world around them only through those cultural works.
got this one wrong in my opinion. its pretty funny and the characters are pretty funny. think the big issue is that this is the best trek on atm. i agree that we need some good trek but dont think ld is bad
It just isn’t Star Trek. Good lord, look at what they just did (another blatant R&M hack job) with the blatant adult content. Like Naked Now without taste. So “edgy”. Ugh
When I saw the name "lower decks" I was skeptical, but now I'm just annoyed. How dare they repurpose the title of an actually good episode of TNG that focused on the serious concerns of lower ranked officers. That episode was able to give us multiple brand new interesting characters and make them likable in a single hour. We actually felt something when Picard announced the loss of Ensign Jaxa. This garbage doesn't even look like it should be associated with Star Trek.
That episode is one of my absolute favorite from TNG. I hate that now every time I think of that episode, part of my brain is going to bring up this crap by association.
@@donwhiteley3293 I think that was the plan There out to ruin Star trek for everyone Because they can't get enjoyment out of anything themselves
that's what ST is about right now. I mean just look at DST
Everyone 's just mad that _Resistance,_ the most comedic of Star Wars's cartoon canon, had a bit of dramatic effect to it.
You may be right. Tell me, do you really think the people making this even know the episode your talking about exists? More than likely, they've never even seen the original, and at best have only seen the JJ Trek.
They literally saw Final space and said
"Hey lets put a a Star Trek Skin over it , it will work so well i a gonna give my self a promotion after i Virtue signal on Twitter since its so important for people to know my opinion about my own stuff"
Final space is hella underrated
Final Space is the bard's pipe dream come true. Give a NON Hollywood exec story teller power over a story and watch him go. Its got its shortcomings but it has WAY more heart than most shows I see on tv.
Much like the Orville is a better Trek show than Discovery, Final Space is a better Trek cartoon.
that clip of Mila Jovovitch laughing will never get old to me
It’s kinda bad that she publicly announced that she punches her husband🤦♂️
@@pootis4986 he’s a man so who cares
@@Cybersnake-he4zr I can’t tell if that’s a joke or not and that scares me
@@pumblegrump I’m saying Society doesn’t care if a man Gets abused I mean look at Johnny Depp
@@Cybersnake-he4zr ok I thought you were saying that men deserve to be abused, that’s why I was worried because there really are people that think like that.
Ok, I for the first time disagree with the Drinker. I gave this a go and it was fine. Animation in some episodes is very cool, specially on the starships. It's not the best show but is so much better than Discovery. Being a cartoon you expect some goofiness and actually helps make alien races an environments more acceptable. And "The Message" is not being pushed down your throat every 5 minutes. I don't know, I actually enjoyed it as an adult. It's not for kids. And it can get quite smart for moments.
The really sad part is that the TNG episode "Lower Decks" was one of season seven's best. Junior officer's ambition and competition to rise in the ranks of Starfleet, an organization where duty may call upon them to die.
I thought the series was going to be like that episode when first announced. A live action series based on junior officers who never go to the bridge or go on away missions might be interesting.
It's one of my favorite TNG episodes. I'd love to see a new series in the same vein as that episode.
"Shit out as much content as possible." They didn't even take that approach. Think about this. In five years, they've only made three seasons of Star Trek. And each of those seasons were 10-13 episodes. That means in five years, we've gotten less Star Trek than TNG did in just two seasons. At 5x the cost. This is incompetence at an unparalleled level. Even beyond the Star Wars sequels.
Fans and a huge percentage of the general audience would actually prefer a Star Trek show that went back to the old style of filming on static sets, practical effects and dialogue over action. But Kurtzman and CBS are doing everything possible to be the exact opposite. For a long time I thought this was incompetence. But to keep doing this for five years...all I can think is it's intentional.
I would prefer "Star Trek: Axanar" on CBS All Access, so I wasn't wasting money on worthless stuff.
It's like they try do something Stargate SG1 like, but fail to recognize what was actually good in it. So they just put action and whatever they they thought it was.
I hate when they talk about creating something like the marvel cinematic universe for star trek, as if thats some bold new mission statement.... they already had that.. they've been building it for 40 years... and knocked it all down in 5..... I mean i know that's a ridiculous thing to say... i know std and picard has fans i know that this will have fans... but will people be talking about them in 40 years?? it would be interesting to get the viewer figures on the virtual trek con over at the 7th rule... jut to see whos watching the discovery panels compared to the ds9 ones..
@@Ma55ey Unless a brave CBS AA insider sneaks out the real numbers, we will never see any actual figures or demographics. I can tell you based on evidence of google trends and just speaking to people across the board, nobody watches Discovery or Picard in large volumes. All of my friends stopped watching due to Discovery. The only top 10 list picard was actually on was amazon prime in germany and I believe it was #9. Discovery has never trended. Remember that. CBS is wasting millions and millions on worthless meaningless "content".
@@danmanx2 well from personal experience i made it through season one of discovery on netflix and haven't bothered with season 2.. i watched episode 1 of picard on amazon prime and didn't watch any more... i'm currently on season 5 episode 7 of tng... I don't mind trek being radically altered to fit a new demographic... i just won't be watching it... as long as i can still watch the old shows they can do what they want...
Well, they've actually done it. They've officially scared me back to books as my prime source of entertainment.
Same here.
That's funny, because I've just recently dove back in the Star Wars EU books for pretty much the same reason
And even modern books aren't safe. My wife just read a fairly new book that depicted male greek mythological characters as gay when their original stories they weren't.
I actually do enjoy Strange New Worlds. And Lower Decks cracks me up. Maybe I'm in the wrong on that one, but i love the overall premise. I do think it's better than Family Guy, I hate that show.
But you were pretty spot on with those cast predictions.
I'm not even a Trekkie, my bf is, but shit even I feel insulted.
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It was deliberate...done by a cynical , negative and sarcastic ''Next Generation" !!!!
I feels the same.
WHERE IS TOKI WARTOOTH?
You is lady skwissgaar
Q: "That is the exploration that awaits you. Not mapping stars and charting nebula, but charting the unknown possibilities of social justice."
Picard: "Wasn't it supposed to be the unknown possibilities of existence?"
Q:"Oh, that ship has sailed."
When I was an awkward kid with no friends, I found solace in TNG on tv. What does an awkward scifi nerd kid in 2020 watch? It's sad to think about.
Well man. We watch ST.TNG Lmao
Um.., Young Justice?
Reruns of old sci-fi shows.
In 2020 he commits suicide instead. Statistics back this up. And the edgy Hollywood types then laugh at him.
@@HerculesBallsInc and if he/she hasn't done that they'd be watching tng or tos