I hate the constant angle changes, mid sentence. It's so bad that they can't even allow a character to walk across a small room without changing the angle 4 times over
DS9 and Voyager, and Enterprise, even at their worst, retained the fundamentals (team of future humanity that's overcome its worst nature, overcoming obstacles). If the Federation is no better than the modern US (or worse, really, as I'm fairly certain we'd help even Iran evacuate, if it turned out they were on a super volcano), then there's really no point to calling the series Star Trek, save easy dosh. We've gotten to the point where we can't even *imagine* a better civilization, and efforts like these make it even harder.
good point. why does he ask for their help anyway? when did ever came something good from starfleet hq? did anybody in the galaxy noticed the desk jockeys aint working after the Breen paid their visit?
I wouldn’t know. I’m smart enough to know not to watch and see it happen. These Hollywood Things that are happening? They don’t exist to me, except in UA-cam parody videos.
How does it feel to have lived long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames. And yes to answer your question, I do have Asperger’s syndrome.
“If Beyond and Discovery killed the franchise, then Picard resurrected its decaying corpse, bent it over a table and had its way with it using the teddy bear from my Doctor Who analogy.” Drinker nailed it
The old versions of ST, indeed ANY good sci-fi, doesn't awkwardly shit out a future that stands in for current year politics. It postulates a future society and situations that allow the author to present THE PRINCIPLES behind whatever view he wants to present, or, in the best case, just the principles and allows the reader/viewer to analyze and come to their own conclusions. *Obviously*, the people being hired to write for the current year sci-fi franchises lack either the authorial skill or the wisdom to do that. F 'em.
@@Steveborough (1) It wasn't the first interracial kiss on TV. (2) It wasn't even the first interracial kiss on Star Trek. France Nuyen and William Shatner already broke that barrier.
And what if you try to satisfy no one? Or to only satisfy the people who weren't going to watch your show anyways even if you tried to cater to them specifically because they know that ideological propaganda is trash?
Sorry ☝to be a pedantic nit picker and corrector of your comment.Actually the Critic said, "You try to please everyone,you end up satisfying no one." Your Welcome... 👍
@@Killian.Hardegen *That* would be the best explanation for *everything* we're seeing here. In that timeline, I could see a more jaded Picard and isolationist Federation happen, because a lot changed. Though, a First Contact timeline would also work. After all, that brought us Enterprise.
I haven't seen the episode, but how do replicators help against a war or other disaster on your planet? Also didn't DS9 explain that the luxury items like replicators were only abundant in the inner worlds of the Federation, the colonies close to Earth and other home worlds?
There's still a matter of SCALE, right? We're talking a homeworld worth of refugees here, plus all the security concerns this entails when it's ROMULANS. I don't think the outlying human colonies would be able to absorb the entire population of Earth, without Earth's economical support.
@@AbyssalManta the federation is a GALACTIC power one planet having problems is LAUGHABLE to them, they can literary build cities in days and provide food cloths and medicine INSTANTLY... the show was written by MORONS that have no clue about startrek
Enterprise really is underrated, the main story of humanity taking the first steps into the galaxy, having to learn every step while Vulcans are condescending dicks and sort of by accident becoming the mediating race that eventually leads into the Federation is well told and works as a growth story.
I really love Enterprise for it's potential. The early days of the federation as Humans, Vulcans, Tellarites and Andorians slowly form an alliance against their common enemy. Archer in the middle of it all trying too keep everything together with optimism, diplomacy and roughly half of Trip's duct-tape stash. That and seeing all those familiar things taking shape, the first usages of the transporter, the mistakes that led to various rules and directives, the cramped ship, tech that looks more like something from our time and of course the fucking grappling hook instead of a tractor beam.
Unfortunately, Enterprise debuted on September 26, 2001 and 9/11 ruined Enterprise's chance of success. The tone was suddenly, irrevocably off for a post-9/11 world. They tried to salvage it by... having the crew and world deal with an unexpected terrorist attack... but that wasn't really what a post-9/11 public wanted more of...
It was a crappy story poorly told. If anything people like you greatly overrate it. It had all the problems Deep Space Nine had and more. It had all the problems that the crap called Serenity also had.
Yeah, the idea that just in Picard's life time the Federation would become hostile to the idea of peace with a long-time enemy, and offer compassionate help to an entire race facing extinction is a bit far-fetched. Plus, as Drinker mentioned, what about all the habitable planets in the Romulan Empire? Plot has gaps bigger, deeper, and more insurmountable than a supermassive black hole...
Noahmercy -Mann in TNG the federation was willing to take tremendous risks, even when they knew it almost certainly wouldn’t work, for the sake of peace with the romulans. Star Trek has always been political, and it has always overall been a sort of “leftist” utopian vision. The thing is, it wasn’t done in a hamfisted, obnoxious way like this. It always trusted the viewer enough to think about the problem for itself. It was about morality, philosophy, diplomacy, etc. People of all backgrounds could derive something from it. This is just a big circlejerk about le Orange Man, and it’s obvious. So bloody obnoxious. It’s like they can’t help themselves, they have to wank about evil Drumpf. It’s thematically inconsistent, directly contradicts Gene Roddenbury’s vision, and most of all it sucks ass. It makes no sense. The whole JJ abrams timeline is garbage. The sun went supernova instantly? The massive romulan stat empire is in shambles because of the destruction of one (albeit the main) planet? Everything that was fun and intriguing about star trek has been shat upon by Kurtzman and co
It's funny how you mentioned the political aspect of Star Trek. I was just rewatching the episode of The Drumhead from TNG where Picard gives the speech about the "first speech sanctioned, the first thought forbidden..." can't imagine how applicable that is in today's #me2 movement or the trial by social media mob. It's sad what used to be "leftist/liberal" ideas are today would be considered toxic
It's not really. Not sure if you've noticed how the world has changed these last 5 or so years and become more far right wing and more nationalist and extremist. Things can change really really fast when the wrong people are put in charge.
@@RMJ1984 The right wing basically got its boost directly from the social justice outrage meetoo media moloch, because ppl get tired really fast off left wing hysteria.
I find it just laughable that there are actually people who think this is the fresh breath of air the franchise needed. Yeah, because replacing thought-provoking, deep and well-written Sci-Fi with mindless action, gore and lens flares is absolutely innovative!
Star Trek TOS taught us how to be adventurous and do a neck chop, Star Trek TNG taught us to be a team player and diplomacy via giant screens, Star Trek DS9 taught us to stand up to dictators who come knocking at your wormhole and play Dabo, Star Trek VYG taught us to never give up and always pack plenty of torpedoes , Star Trek ENT taught us to take the first leap and time travellers are everywhere, Star Trek DSC and Star Trek PCD are trying to teach us........to......ummmm........uuuuuuu........i've got nothing..........hang on..........nope......wait........be emotional, about everything?............help.....
I’m not loving “Picard” either so far, but that’s the key: so far. It’s been two episodes yet. I’m haven’t yet boarded the HMS This Sucks quite yet and am fully willing to do my share of lambasting. But I know there may be a time, perhaps 10 years onward, when I’ll look back with fondness to this show-because the current offerings in the future will be such unmitigated trash that Picard will look like a masterpiece by comparison. In fairness, many TNG episodes were truly awful. They were kitschy, awkward and looked like they were filmed with a child’s toy. The stories were weird too. But eventually, we came to love it, lumps and all. It possible the next group of Trekkies will look to Picard and feel the same way. I know I was the odd one out when I declared that I was a fan of Enterprise. And now people say “Meh, I guess it wasn’t all that bad.”
@@jt4369 Back in the day, shows usually had time to find their footing, which often happened in Third Seasons or so. Now, audience which watches season through weekend, has attention span of Picard's goldfish and Firefly, Last Resort, SG:U and host of others ended prematurely.... hell, even BSG to a point.
Given that resources aren't limited because of replicators, and the fact no one needs money, at least wages won't be falling with all the "refugees" landing on Earth. But I wonder if they'll see an increase in stabbings, phaserings, and then Romulan grooming gangs are going to start cropping up. And with all the planets in the galaxy, can they really not find uninhabited ones for the Romulans? Like, really?
But such a hat and slogan would be crude, obvious and utterly egregious.... ...We can likely expect it to feature in a future episode then. ;) After all, modern Leftwing writers have debilitatingly little comprehension of _subtlety_ .
@@MrChipMC watched that last night, went pics see that one, first half , apart from the CGI zombies is excellent, after the dog dies the film goes to the dogs
The Romulans did not want to live on one of their own worlds because they're not as nice as Earth. They'd rather be servants to humans than start over and rebuild their own world. They also heard Earth chicks were easy.
@@phreakazoith2237 They were close to each other I believe, and this show shoehorns in modern day politics when it shouldn't. The continuation story in Star Trek Online was way better written than this mess with the Romulan people being fractured. The Empire holding onto it's xenophobic views of everyone else and continuation of it's clandestine activities, and the people who are fed up and trying to get away from it all. Ends up leading to a cool story where the newly formed Romulan Republic ends up fighting the remnants of the former Empire, conducting diplomacy with the Klingons and Federation, all while fighting every day to survive on their new home world from opportunistic factions. Made for a really compelling narrative.
Lol. Honestly if I was like a 20 yr old decent looking Romulan dude & heard you could go to what sounds like a paradise world with human females who might think Romulan males are exotic & in the return work in the role of a servant I'd be down too😏😆 It is a 🌠universal🌌 fact that ignoring such poonanni would constitute a grave mortal sin upon one's soul
This show has made Picard into a shell of his former self. Just like Luke, this new show will cause Picard to "toss the lightsaber" (aka pullin a Luke) so to speak, and destroy everything that made Picard who he was.
My daughter is doing a project on sci-fi for her English class, comparing utopian vs distopian visions, and asked for my help. The only utopian universe I could think of was Star Trek. I guess that's not true anymore.
Bruce Gottfred be creative with it! Tell her to use pre JJ Abrams period for Utopian and post for Dystopian. Kill two birds with one stone and rip into the garbage Trek has become.
@Ash H "great" is stretching it a bit. Good compared to the shite that was the sequel trilogy. A lot of padding [it's really about 3 hours long] with not much in the way of story, but easy to watch and plenty of things for fans to say "Hey, I get that."
13:37 Simple reason for Mars getting blown up - a few Shadow vessels got there before the Vorlons and/or Sheridan could stop them! "Is this a reference to something?" I hear none of you ask. Well done Critical D - keep 'em coming.....
Jim Daniels the USA was always xenophobic until it became empirical after the Spanish war. We were still xenophobic but that was when our government attempted to disagree
Jim Daniels the Statue of Liberty was an unwanted gift from the French because they didn’t want the blasphemous idol of a mass psycho killer in their own country.
Jim Daniels so any and all misconceptions about us being accepting due to a big green eyesore in New York is the fault of foreigners and the aforementioned empirical government
Within the first five minutes: 1. Politically correct female “bad*ss”. 2. Politically correct couple. 3. Attacking guys dressed in black speaking what [politically correct] sounds vaguely slavic [Russian, no? 😜]. 4. Captain Picard wants to “raise awareness”. Bye bye Star Trek.
This franchise was what you call 'politically correct' and 'woke' since day one. It showcases a future human society where people moved forward from petty bullshit like that comment of yours.
The Klingons were not part of the Federation in TNG. They just had a treaty with the Federation, not membership in it. This becomes important in Deep Space Nine.
Nearly all TNG and DS9 episodes involving the Klingons make it very clear that the Federation and Klingons were just allies, if at all. TNG: "A Matter of Honor" unmistakably shows that there has never been a regular exchange of officers before, and that there is a great deal of mistrust between Starfleet and the Klingon Defense Force even though they are supposed to be allied. In "Reunion" and "Redemption" it is obvious that the Klingon Empire is a separate entity where the Federation has no business and where interference is outlawed under the Prime Directive. In DS9: "The Way of the Warrior" the Klingons even fight against the Federation (before officially declaring war in DS9: "Broken Link"). Sisko says that the Klingons have not only called back their ambassador, but that they have even retreated from the Khitomer Accords, their mutual peace treaty. Logically the Klingons would have had to leave the Federation first before going that far. While they are en route to Starbase 515 in TNG: "Samaritan Snare", Picard is talking of his early days in Starfleet and the incident with the Nausicaans, when Wesley poses a surprising question: "Was that before the Klingons joined the Federation?" Considering that Wesley is rather a science genius than a history buff and that Picard may have been preoccupied with his replacement heart surgery, that’s something we should overlook. Unless we found a way to re-interpret "joined the Federation" as just "became friends with the Federation".
@@AC-gb7do S2E17, Samaritan's Snare PICARD: Several friends and I were on leave at Farspace Starbase Earhart. It was little more than a galactic outpost in those days. WESLEY: Was this before the Klingons joined the Federation? PICARD: That's right. It's called a continuity error.
12:26 Exactly. "The Undiscovered Country" and "Wrath of Kahn" were relatable & plausible stories that dealt with not being able to change one's mindset (in the former) and in the latter, not dealing with a past (an old enemy / his son) that has a way of catching up to you. I'm all for fresh viewpoints but why cast writers and directors who not only do not understand the underpinnings of the concepts but are openly and arrogantly out to prove it was all crap and they know better? Next up: The "Breaking Bad" reboot brought to you by Seth Rogen and Will Ferrell.
mentalI ity is "They will bring a fresh perspective!" But there is a considerable gap between "fresh perspective" and "Don't know WTF they're talking about."
The woke version of Breaking Bad? Oh no... it would be nothing but forced diversity, Very Special Episodes about refugees and a Gus Fring or Walter White knockoff as a stand-in for the Bad Orange Man.
I kind of know who those people are, not my kind of entertainers/ directors/ producers and or actors BUT I'm pretty sure that's really really really funny and true
the romulans were strong enough to rival starfleet. not only would they have enough places for their people to go, they'd have the fleet power to handle the whole thing themselves.
Indeed. He looks like they cropped out the inner portion of Brent Spiner's face and pasted it on a chubby person. The whole point is that he doesn't age, that's why Spiner refused to make a comeback for a long time, and I respect him for it.
They have a lot of prosthetics on him to hide any wrinkles. Some people were all excited that he was quote coming back unquote but it's like dude he hated the makeup and now theres even more of it. Did this as a favor, he'll never be a regular
Picard''s writers know very little about science fiction. And, what's more, they don't care. Deliver a political screed, add some cool SFX and fight scenes and we're good to go.
Star Trek: The Original Series: STTOS Star Trek: The Next Generation: STTNG Star Trek: Deep Space 9: STDS9 Star Trek: Voyager: STVOY Star Trek: Enterprise: STENT Star Trek: Discovery: STD. No wonder only "a dozen or so" dared touch it... And now: Star Trek: (Old) Picard: STOP Common ground between Star Trek and Star Wars: fan-based films seem to be more authentic than the newer official movies and series.
@@2bituser569 Kirk hating the Klingons for killing his son is a great example of a bakanced moral quandary that makes the audience think about what the "right" thing to do is. Do you side with Spock who logically argues for compassion or Kirk who has every reason to deny the Klingons help?
@@raul_jocson_ Kirk had Bones and Spock, logic and human passion - well balanced receiving guidance from both of his trusted close friends. Kirk had a reason, it was personal, however because of one you should not judge all of them - that was the message.
@@deepspire Yep, he still hasn't forgiven Nicholas Meyers for lying to him about that...Shatner says that Kirk would never have said such a thing, even in bitterness over his son's murder by Kruge.
Even better: those Romulans took the Jobs of Humans who could have served in that position! If jobs were actually neccessary and income relevant in Federation society that is.
I really thought they were going to follow through on that whole "well Romulans fought alongside Picard in _Nemesis,_ so PEACE NYUKKUHZ!". Instead we get Praxis 2.0. But nah, it's fine, super easy, barely an inconvenience.
The entire "Synthetics" and cloning from Data idea is completely ripping off Fallout 4. And I thought Discovery was shite. Somehow The Orville, a _parody,_ has become more Star Trek than actual Star Trek.
@@zimriel It's a parody in the same sense as Galaxy Quest. It's meant to call out some stuff, but is more a loving dedication to the series than anything.
Still unsure as to the cloning using datas positronic brain. And why not just insert positronics into everyone's head and make a population of super smarts? Refusing to pay for another streaming service I have not seen this though. Are the synths Android's and as such zero tissue? If so cloning is an incorrect term. If they are human bodies with positronic brains then augmented would be a more correct term in my mind.
I’m sure someone have already pointed this out but the “synthetic” instead of Android is a SJW thing (of course). The “andro” part refers to a masculine form and we can’t have that now, can we?
I think the Fallout games use Synthetic also. Android can mean a robot in Humanoid form but still recognizable as a robotic. A Synthetic is totally camouflaged as a human. Maybe your just reading the Andro thing wrong?
Picard has full long hair (why would't you with that level of technology) but his romulan house servants installed a cloaking device as a joke after he passed out from too much wine. It is the future's eqivalent of drwing a D*** one one's face with permanent marker.
Am I literally the only person who noticed that the super nova that killed Romulus has changed? In 2009 it was the Hobus star (a star system neighboring Romulus), and in Picard the continually say "the Romulan Star" (which would actually mean the star at the center of the Romulus system.
Honestly, I think Enterprise is way underrated and even Nemesis had some great aspects to it, not the least of which is the best space battle in the history of Star Trek on film.
This makes me very scared for the Lord of the rings amazon show. I had little hope to begin with but this just goes to show that amazon just doesn't care
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for black hobbits, a gay wizard, and a transsexual elf in a wheelchair saving Middle-earth from a straight white man who believes in private property rights and freedom of speech.
As usual Drinker, a florid, verbose yet fabulously satisfying critique that makes me wish I was as good a writer as your fine self. A wordsmith of such luxuriant and swanky tenor that one could watch the show after this and enjoy it even more so. More good man, more....
@@muznick the UN is a great representation for the Federation. The original alliance which founded it (USA/UK & Earth/Vulcan) do *everything* while the other members sit around bitching about them.
@@nathanielbables8652 the fact it is called United Nations is a bad, ugly joke.. all they ever do is flaunt some influence they don't have, give zero fucks to world problems, filled to the brim with corruptions and conspiracy theories, ties to red and black markets, UN is cancer, their entire hierarchy needs to be replaced or the organization should be dismantled with something better and neutral, that shows some proper authority our nations can respect
To qoute the Godfather,:"Look how they massacred our boy". That's my sentiment in regards to Star Trek Picard. This is not the Star Trek i grew up with.
The woke crowd won't be satisfied until they've dragged every classic franchise through the mud and destroyed what was good about it. It's not about replacing the positive messages in the past with new, updated positive ones, it's about "deconstructing" everything and making room for their negative worldview. Drinker nailed it with this one.
Dave Cullen of Computing forever did a wonderful review. Pointing out how Picard has amnesia, how it contradicts the other canon series (excluding STD). We just need to remember that STP is seprate from everything else. Even STD. It's not canon legally. It doesn't matter if the STD fangirls start screeching.
“Set phasers to stunning,... and engage.” “(Picard) has more charisma in his hair (and there ain’t much of it) than the whole cast of (whatever the show is) combined.” Great lines!
💯I like how Starfleet academy is based in San Francisco, yet that's the worst place for insane leftism, drugs, homelessness etc. They should make s new series based off that called Scat Trek.
I'll do you one better: this is what the Pah-Wraiths are forcing Gul Dukat to watch, for all eternity, as punishment for failing them at the end of DS9. :P
I just discovered this channel and feel vindicated that someone else felt the world they showed was myopic and basically a reflection of the time it was created instead of an example of what we’re hoping to become. It was quite depressing except for seeing some beloved characters again but even Riker and Deanna had to have a tragedy in their past as if no one was safe from the future. While I love TNG cast especially Picard, this show left me sad, which is the opposite of how Trek is supposed to feel. And I’m not even going to talk about Discovery… 😕
As a kid I didn't give it a second thought but... the two options, 1) ever lasting life or 2) you shrivel and die cause you drank from the wrong cup did some serious fucking damage to my decision making process LOL
The worst part of this Picard update... the characters are NOT from our Trek style future. The future where societal divisions and misery indexes are minimized. These characters swear, they're alcoholics, they're drug addicts, they have class envy, they even MURDER innocent characters and are immediately forgiven.
Data was like a child or a pet (stay with me on this) to the rest of the crew, because he had no ego to get in the way he was easier to love. RLM did point out that Picard wasn't buddy buddy with him in many scenes, but he was pretty much loved by the command staff. for Picard however it's different because he gave his life for him. there's room enough for Jean Luc to hold him in more open esteem after the fact and for him to remember him with more fondness in a 'you don't know what you've got till it's gone' fashion.
"Mr.Data, shut up... 15 years I've been waiting to say that!" - Picard, publicly, to humiliate Data Now: HE WAS MY BEST FRIEND Granted he did save his life at the end of Nemesis, but still. Picard was more hostile towards Data than caring. Even told him to disassemble his child in TNG, now he cares about his possible child as if it were his own.
What is crazy is that someone redid the Data scenes, and it's startling that someone with a computer at home could do a better job than a studio with millions of dollars on hand.
net mentioning T'Pol, i just loved the characters in that series: Archer is no Picard, true, but Archer is a man that is improvizing as he goes, since no one has done anything he does before him, so he has no reference, so he can fail, and he fails, and he lives up to his errors, and never gives up... and i love Trip and Phlox... the only character i didn't really like was Malcolm
I think Doomcock said it best Star Trek: Puke Hard. You know all about that, don't you Drinker? Oi, me too, need some alone time with my porcelain telephone.
RedLetterMedia hit this nail on the absolute head when they realized New Star Trek is based just on "What shit do random people remember about Star Trek?" and is in no way based in actual Star Trek lore.
Well, crafting a product for people who will like it satisfies neither the "woketard propaganda" nor the "maximize all money" dictates of current year Hollywood. So you get a shit product filled with 'splosions and lectures, that pleases very few, and even those few are pleased for reasons that are shallow and ill thought out. Those of us who actually LIKED things about Star Trek, and gave the franchise it's actual value, are spat upon as irrelevant. Good work, CBS!
But in Mass effect they are just called synthetic life. In Star Trek they are called synthetics because they were made by someone, synthetically. In Mass Effect they replicate and nobody knows who and why they built them.
@@cerebelul So it's like Fallout 4 then. The Institute built androids and then changed their names to synths. They started off as obvious artificial creations and slowly became indistinguishable from humans. There was an incident where one of these synths killed a bunch of people and now the whole Commonwealth fears the Institute and their synths.
@@cerebelul Actually all the synthetic species in ME were built by someone and we know who. The Geth were created by the Quarians, and the Reapers were created by the Leviathans. The second one is contained in a shitty DLC so I can understand not knowing that, but the whole Quarian-Geth thing is pretty heavily addressed in all three games. Yes I said three games. We don't count *that* one.
@@Dick_Kickem69 That one doesn't even even have anything to do with the Geth or Reapers because they have their own AI to understand but anyways, I guess I put it wrong in my wording. What I was trying to say about the synthetic beings in Mass Effect is that they were already established as a civilisation of their own, something that everyone was suspecting they were created by someone but didn't know by who until near end which pretty much stays the same for their beliefs about the origin of biological life until the very end where it is explained. That's why they are very different from Androids or AI and are just called synthetic life. Actually, none of the robots even look human(obviously) so how they call them is natural. In Star Trek on the other hand they are all Androids, designed to look like the species they were built by and serve them, with no language or desires of their own so calling them synthetic life suddenly just because they rebelled is outright retarded. The Geth and Reapers already had a culture and language of their own and their masters were long extinct. I bet that when they were created, they weren't called "synthetic life" by the creators and if they would have still existed, the Galactic Council wouldn't have named them synthetic life.
I saw the 1st episode while I was in the hospital and I thought it was the morphine. Nope, this was a real show! I love Star Trek because it showed the best of what we could become. These new shows show us failing in these endeavors.Too bad we don't have the people who made the early Trek handling the shows now. Imagine what they could do with brilliant writing and the better effects. I proudly say it, I think the old trek with Kirk and company, Sisko and company and Picard and company far out does the crap today.
Don't give him ideas. We need him drunk enough to make the movie/series reviews funny but not damage his health beyond repair...or else no more Drinker.
This is one of your funniest reviews ever! Intentionally describing nauseatingly pretentious, and over-complicated scripts that try - and spectacularly fail - to be far cleverer than the Gender-Studies IQs that wrote them with simplified vernacular that smashes them right down to earth and exposes them for the self-indulgent toss they are with blunt phrases like 'Set phasers to f@#d', 'space sex'; 'diverse female' etc is just brilliant.
To summarize my thoughts on current Star Trek: "If you ask a thousand Trekkies 'What makes Star Trek, Star Trek?' you will get a thousand correct answers. But, if you ask the people making current Star Trek that same question, you will get nothing but wrong answers."
You really think there are a correct answer to that? Okay, what makes Star Trek Star Trek: For me, it's DS9 - i am pretty sure a lot of ST Fans will tell me that DS9 is not their version of Star Trek as they like it. There are tons of episodes, books and movies - there is NO chance that every ST-Fan will have a correct answer to that question.
I think it's fair to say that the predominant moral perspective of Star Trek was as follows: 1. Exploration and discovery 2. A positive, hopeful view of the future and human potential 3. A focus on the good in and peace among all sentient species 4. A mirror to tackle present-day cultual issues without coming off as preachy To me, this is the beating heart of Star Trek.
@@MyBrainGlows I grew up on TNG, but I also love DS9. DS9, while not as squeaky clean as TNG, still embodied the ideals of Gene Roddenberry. It was a bit more cynical at times, but it still promoted the idea that we can be better. DS9 put the values of Star Trek through the ringer, but in the end, it showed that those values still hold up. STD, and now it seems Picard, abandon hope for a better future and wallow in misery and despair.
"Television didn't last much beyond 2040." Data was off by 20 years. "May you live long enough to see that which you hold sacred, be profaned." - Ancient Chinese curse
It makes no sense, the Romulans had many planets in their "Star Empire", they could relocate their homeworld population to one of their own planets. It was just an excuse to cram in "refugees" as a plot line. As Drinker said "Is that a reference to something?" ugh.
@Comstar: Space AT&T if they referenced the Cardassian vs Bajoran thing, then nobody would be able to complain how "heavy handed political metaphor is being crammed into Star Trek all of a sudden". (Though it is true, nobody seemed to notice how the Bajorans were both Jewish to the Cardassian Nazis, as well as the Palestinians to the Cardassian Israelis..... and on a rewatch, that was pretty heavy-handed.... i think the viewers were 1. more forgiving, when there was just ONE scifi thing to watch on TV in any given year, and 2. we were mostly 16 years old and didn't have 30 years of being told what to think about modern politics via Star Trek)
i'm sorry, but the hobus supernova is now canon in the main timeline, really sorry for your disappointment... and btw, there's no hobus supernova in the kelvin timeline, the supernova in the main timeline is what starts the event that unfold in the kelvin timeline, that is decades before the hobus event
Guy Incognito not a FanFlic as Wokeman Don't even watch any of this stuff. Example: Critic who admits they didn't watch the "Witcher" reviewing it negatively.
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Man, I can't wait to see your rant on the last Doctor who episode... that was, Well... something.
Please review Vikings on history channel. Please you charismatic yet careless lover.
I hate the constant angle changes, mid sentence. It's so bad that they can't even allow a character to walk across a small room without changing the angle 4 times over
Drinking man bad.
@Michael J
No, I would have preferred for non.
"Television didn't last much beyond 2040" I think Data nailed it boys.
I think we should pull the plug now. We have Comcast, and I don't even know how to use the remote.
2030 max
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UA-cam won't last much longer (it's already being replaced by Twitch)
He was pretty spot on. If I'm grateful to streaming services for anything; it's for making me never want to watch tv again.
Star Wars Fans: _“The franchise is ruined!”_
Star Trek Fans: *”First time?”*
Doctor Who Fans: Get in line.
Funny how everytime since DS9 aired this "Fans" freaking out after a new series.
Yeah, but it's not
DS9 and Voyager, and Enterprise, even at their worst, retained the fundamentals (team of future humanity that's overcome its worst nature, overcoming obstacles). If the Federation is no better than the modern US (or worse, really, as I'm fairly certain we'd help even Iran evacuate, if it turned out they were on a super volcano), then there's really no point to calling the series Star Trek, save easy dosh.
We've gotten to the point where we can't even *imagine* a better civilization, and efforts like these make it even harder.
Childhoods are designed to be raped. This is the way. Fanbitches just don't know it.
"He's still got more charisma, charm and screen presence in his F-ing hair than the entire cast of ST Discovery combined..."
LMAO
That is pure gold.
Ever notice that according to Picard's version, the Federation is always turning evil, and he's the only one stopping it?
MAYBE IT'S HIM.
Even Star Trek: Insurrection was like that.
That would be a good premise for a show, so they definitely won’t go there.
good point. why does he ask for their help anyway? when did ever came something good from starfleet hq? did anybody in the galaxy noticed the desk jockeys aint working after the Breen paid their visit?
When you think everyone else in the room is an asshole, chances are, you're the asshole...
"How does it feel to see everything you love go up in flames?" - Rich Evans.
"Feels great. " - Mike Stoklasa.
I wouldn’t know. I’m smart enough to know not to watch and see it happen. These Hollywood Things that are happening? They don’t exist to me, except in UA-cam parody videos.
How does it feel to have lived long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames.
And yes to answer your question, I do have Asperger’s syndrome.
Rich Evans , Kathleen Kennedy, Chris Chibnal, and all sjw producers in scifi today.
Release........ THE PLINKETT!
Best description I have heard is: "CBS wants Star Trek to be everything except Star Trek"
That does about sum it up.
Savage
Roddenberry would be so pissed if he saw how Starfleet is being portrayed.
Fuck Roddenberry.
Gene Roddenberry
Yeah military star fleet
@@lucasoheyze4597 THEMS FIGHTIN' WORDS
That's true, but Roddenberry wasn't on board with what made TNG good. The show got a lot better when Roddenberry was ousted (season 3 or so).
“If Beyond and Discovery killed the franchise, then Picard resurrected its decaying corpse, bent it over a table and had its way with it using the teddy bear from my Doctor Who analogy.”
Drinker nailed it
Synthetic?!
“ I prefer the term artificial person myself.“ - Bishop (Aliens)
Fucking skinjobs...
It seems that they borrowed that from Bethesda. "Synths" of the Institute.
You want some more? (5th Element)
I would call them replicants - Blade Runner
@@hugehappygrin More like the Alien franchise. Alien, Aliens, and Alien Isolation all used the term. Ash, Bishop, Samuels.
"...and Star Trek: Discovery failing to connect with the dozen or so people who bothered to watch it..."
Delightful.
Joseph Manno and yet here it remains, going into a third season - bwahahah
I liked "And before Picard can access her warp core..."
@@fredmdbud Perhaps because CBS has money to burn, I suppose!
The old versions of ST, indeed ANY good sci-fi, doesn't awkwardly shit out a future that stands in for current year politics. It postulates a future society and situations that allow the author to present THE PRINCIPLES behind whatever view he wants to present, or, in the best case, just the principles and allows the reader/viewer to analyze and come to their own conclusions.
*Obviously*, the people being hired to write for the current year sci-fi franchises lack either the authorial skill or the wisdom to do that. F 'em.
Did you even watch "The undiscovered Country"? Its chernobyl and the wall coming down, but in space.
@@TheRealLalala1 And nobody liked it for that :) They liked it for being Trek
Ha and the first interracial on-screen kiss ever in American television had nothing to do with the then current racial climate in our country!
@@TheRealLalala1 they didn't beat you over the head with it and it holds up even now for people who don't even remember that
@@Steveborough (1) It wasn't the first interracial kiss on TV.
(2) It wasn't even the first interracial kiss on Star Trek. France Nuyen and William Shatner already broke that barrier.
"You try to satisfy everyone, you end up satisfying no one" Well said
And what if you try to satisfy no one?
Or to only satisfy the people who weren't going to watch your show anyways even if you tried to cater to them specifically because they know that ideological propaganda is trash?
@@GeorgeMonet dont be a jackass...💪
@@GeorgeMonet secks esekc secks eskce skeckscs
amgus
Sorry ☝to be a pedantic nit picker and corrector of your comment.Actually the Critic said,
"You try to please everyone,you end up satisfying no one."
Your Welcome...
👍
Ok, I think we need to address the elephant in the room: "Château Picard" is supposedly a Bourgogne wine but it comes in a Bordeaux bottle ?!
Maybe even the French can let go of a tradition after 400 years.... oh, wait.
I knew it, it must be a simulation by the Romulans to get Picard to reveal the location Outpost 23.
Kelvin timeline.
@@Killian.Hardegen *That* would be the best explanation for *everything* we're seeing here. In that timeline, I could see a more jaded Picard and isolationist Federation happen, because a lot changed.
Though, a First Contact timeline would also work. After all, that brought us Enterprise.
Mirror universe Kelvin timeline...with Blingons.
"I find Critical Drinker's analysis....fascinating." ~ Spock
If Spock would be able to answer why the only Enterprise shown in this.."show" is the D?And that with terrible CG models I might add
“It’s criticism Jim, but not as we know it”
yes they have replicators and off world colonies but their is a "refugee" problem
color me unconvinced
That's what happens when you force in your themes without putting any thought in how to make it work. :/
I haven't seen the episode, but how do replicators help against a war or other disaster on your planet? Also didn't DS9 explain that the luxury items like replicators were only abundant in the inner worlds of the Federation, the colonies close to Earth and other home worlds?
There's still a matter of SCALE, right? We're talking a homeworld worth of refugees here, plus all the security concerns this entails when it's ROMULANS. I don't think the outlying human colonies would be able to absorb the entire population of Earth, without Earth's economical support.
@DriftZ TwoSeven only thing aid gave my country was more corruption
@@AbyssalManta the federation is a GALACTIC power one planet having problems is LAUGHABLE to them, they can literary build cities in days and provide food cloths and medicine INSTANTLY... the show was written by MORONS that have no clue about startrek
Enterprise really is underrated, the main story of humanity taking the first steps into the galaxy, having to learn every step while Vulcans are condescending dicks and sort of by accident becoming the mediating race that eventually leads into the Federation is well told and works as a growth story.
I really love Enterprise for it's potential. The early days of the federation as Humans, Vulcans, Tellarites and Andorians slowly form an alliance against their common enemy. Archer in the middle of it all trying too keep everything together with optimism, diplomacy and roughly half of Trip's duct-tape stash.
That and seeing all those familiar things taking shape, the first usages of the transporter, the mistakes that led to various rules and directives, the cramped ship, tech that looks more like something from our time and of course the fucking grappling hook instead of a tractor beam.
Unfortunately, Enterprise debuted on September 26, 2001 and 9/11 ruined Enterprise's chance of success. The tone was suddenly, irrevocably off for a post-9/11 world. They tried to salvage it by... having the crew and world deal with an unexpected terrorist attack... but that wasn't really what a post-9/11 public wanted more of...
It was a crappy story poorly told. If anything people like you greatly overrate it.
It had all the problems Deep Space Nine had and more. It had all the problems that the crap called Serenity also had.
I just watched it, I loved it. Great actors, great stories. Lots of food for thought.
@@TehAwesomer ah, great historical perspective, thank you.
'Never Be Afraid To Mislabel A Product' - Ferenghi rules of aquisition 239
Star trek fans should follow "Hear all, trust nothing. Rule of Acquisition 190"
So fraking on point!
Ya misspelled Ferengi.
Aw your face isnt that punchable
They should have stopped after Voyager (or arguably after Enterprise), but no, "Enough is never enough" (Rule of acquisition #97).
Yeah, the idea that just in Picard's life time the Federation would become hostile to the idea of peace with a long-time enemy, and offer compassionate help to an entire race facing extinction is a bit far-fetched. Plus, as Drinker mentioned, what about all the habitable planets in the Romulan Empire? Plot has gaps bigger, deeper, and more insurmountable than a supermassive black hole...
Not really, see Dominion war and how Federation went to panic mode on Earth and would have preferred genocide as a solution to end the war.
Noahmercy -Mann in TNG the federation was willing to take tremendous risks, even when they knew it almost certainly wouldn’t work, for the sake of peace with the romulans.
Star Trek has always been political, and it has always overall been a sort of “leftist” utopian vision. The thing is, it wasn’t done in a hamfisted, obnoxious way like this. It always trusted the viewer enough to think about the problem for itself. It was about morality, philosophy, diplomacy, etc. People of all backgrounds could derive something from it.
This is just a big circlejerk about le Orange Man, and it’s obvious. So bloody obnoxious. It’s like they can’t help themselves, they have to wank about evil Drumpf. It’s thematically inconsistent, directly contradicts Gene Roddenbury’s vision, and most of all it sucks ass.
It makes no sense. The whole JJ abrams timeline is garbage. The sun went supernova instantly? The massive romulan stat empire is in shambles because of the destruction of one (albeit the main) planet? Everything that was fun and intriguing about star trek has been shat upon by Kurtzman and co
It's funny how you mentioned the political aspect of Star Trek. I was just rewatching the episode of The Drumhead from TNG where Picard gives the speech about the "first speech sanctioned, the first thought forbidden..." can't imagine how applicable that is in today's #me2 movement or the trial by social media mob. It's sad what used to be "leftist/liberal" ideas are today would be considered toxic
It's not really. Not sure if you've noticed how the world has changed these last 5 or so years and become more far right wing and more nationalist and extremist.
Things can change really really fast when the wrong people are put in charge.
@@RMJ1984
The right wing basically got its boost directly from the social justice outrage meetoo media moloch, because ppl get tired really fast off left wing hysteria.
I find it just laughable that there are actually people who think this is the fresh breath of air the franchise needed.
Yeah, because replacing thought-provoking, deep and well-written Sci-Fi with mindless action, gore and lens flares is absolutely innovative!
Well i dunno have you seen it yourself? more than one episode?
@@Wolfsheim23 I watched like 5 or 6 episodes. I eventually stopped once I realized the show was unsalvageable.
@@Wolfsheim23 seckskckscs
Written by children indeed ...
Star Trek TOS taught us how to be adventurous and do a neck chop, Star Trek TNG taught us to be a team player and diplomacy via giant screens, Star Trek DS9 taught us to stand up to dictators who come knocking at your wormhole and play Dabo, Star Trek VYG taught us to never give up and always pack plenty of torpedoes , Star Trek ENT taught us to take the first leap and time travellers are everywhere, Star Trek DSC and Star Trek PCD are trying to teach us........to......ummmm........uuuuuuu........i've got nothing..........hang on..........nope......wait........be emotional, about everything?............help.....
Spot on!!! OL J R :)
ST:D and Discard could be trying to teach us the axiom "Get Woke, Go Broke", but that's just wild speculation on my part.
I’m not loving “Picard” either so far, but that’s the key: so far. It’s been two episodes yet. I’m haven’t yet boarded the HMS This Sucks quite yet and am fully willing to do my share of lambasting. But I know there may be a time, perhaps 10 years onward, when I’ll look back with fondness to this show-because the current offerings in the future will be such unmitigated trash that Picard will look like a masterpiece by comparison.
In fairness, many TNG episodes were truly awful. They were kitschy, awkward and looked like they were filmed with a child’s toy. The stories were weird too.
But eventually, we came to love it, lumps and all. It possible the next group of Trekkies will look to Picard and feel the same way.
I know I was the odd one out when I declared that I was a fan of Enterprise. And now people say “Meh, I guess it wasn’t all that bad.”
J T hear you, but your hypothesis seems unlikely to me. Time will tell.
@@jt4369 Back in the day, shows usually had time to find their footing, which often happened in Third Seasons or so. Now, audience which watches season through weekend, has attention span of Picard's goldfish and Firefly, Last Resort, SG:U and host of others ended prematurely.... hell, even BSG to a point.
I just wish they would have featured a character wearing a red hat that says "Make the Federation Great Again."
I think I would buy one.
Don’t worry, I’m sure there’ll be an episode about tiki torch-wielding racists protesting and saying something like “the Romulans won’t replace us!”
Given that resources aren't limited because of replicators, and the fact no one needs money, at least wages won't be falling with all the "refugees" landing on Earth.
But I wonder if they'll see an increase in stabbings, phaserings, and then Romulan grooming gangs are going to start cropping up.
And with all the planets in the galaxy, can they really not find uninhabited ones for the Romulans? Like, really?
But such a hat and slogan would be crude, obvious and utterly egregious....
...We can likely expect it to feature in a future episode then. ;)
After all, modern Leftwing writers have debilitatingly little comprehension of _subtlety_ .
You forgot to write "orange man bad" after your strawman bullshit
The MFGA hat. We also need a MSWGA hat.
It's Alex Kurtzman. Every thing he touches turns to crap.
After he did Fringe, right ?
Fringe was great but it went poo after a couple of series. Is it Akiva Goldsman this Picard? Cuz he is the kiss of death on any good idea
@@starwarsroo2448 like "I legend " - my favorite )
@@MrChipMC watched that last night, went pics see that one, first half , apart from the CGI zombies is excellent, after the dog dies the film goes to the dogs
@@starwarsroo2448 Goldsman is executive producer. He needs to go as well...
The Romulans did not want to live on one of their own worlds because they're not as nice as Earth. They'd rather be servants to humans than start over and rebuild their own world. They also heard Earth chicks were easy.
anyway does this mean planet Remus is wasted too? are its inhabitants refugees as well?
@@phreakazoith2237 They were close to each other I believe, and this show shoehorns in modern day politics when it shouldn't. The continuation story in Star Trek Online was way better written than this mess with the Romulan people being fractured. The Empire holding onto it's xenophobic views of everyone else and continuation of it's clandestine activities, and the people who are fed up and trying to get away from it all. Ends up leading to a cool story where the newly formed Romulan Republic ends up fighting the remnants of the former Empire, conducting diplomacy with the Klingons and Federation, all while fighting every day to survive on their new home world from opportunistic factions. Made for a really compelling narrative.
Lol. Honestly if I was like a 20 yr old decent looking Romulan dude & heard you could go to what sounds like a paradise world with human females who might think Romulan males are exotic & in the return work in the role of a servant I'd be down too😏😆
It is a 🌠universal🌌 fact that ignoring such poonanni would constitute a grave mortal sin upon one's soul
This show has made Picard into a shell of his former self. Just like Luke, this new show will cause Picard to "toss the lightsaber" (aka pullin a Luke) so to speak, and destroy everything that made Picard who he was.
My daughter is doing a project on sci-fi for her English class, comparing utopian vs distopian visions, and asked for my help. The only utopian universe I could think of was Star Trek. I guess that's not true anymore.
Bruce Gottfred be creative with it! Tell her to use pre JJ Abrams period for Utopian and post for Dystopian. Kill two birds with one stone and rip into the garbage Trek has become.
Good luck finding any sort of literature with a Utopian future.
@Andre Comtois Thomas More’s Utopia: _Am I a joke to you?_
I think if she compared StarTrek TNG to Picard and/or Discovery, that would make for an interesting read.
For an utopian vision, try the Culture series by author Iain M. Banks
If they introduce a "Baby Data" this could be the next big thing.
@Carpet Hooligan So, you just watched one episode?
How about a baby clone of his daughter Lal?
Please, for fuck sake can we keep this comment from the eyes of the writers? I can already hear them rubbing their hands together.
call it 8 bit
@Ash H "great" is stretching it a bit. Good compared to the shite that was the sequel trilogy. A lot of padding [it's really about 3 hours long] with not much in the way of story, but easy to watch and plenty of things for fans to say "Hey, I get that."
13:37 Simple reason for Mars getting blown up - a few Shadow vessels got there before the Vorlons and/or Sheridan could stop them! "Is this a reference to something?" I hear none of you ask. Well done Critical D - keep 'em coming.....
*Brent Spiner:* I'm too old to play Data today..
*CBS:* $$$$$$$
*Brent Spiner:* Lets Do This!!!
That sounds just about right.
Never underestimate the power of "The Paycheck."
"I just love scanning for money.
You lovely little dollars, you precious little dollars, I found you".
Du Du Du Du Du Du, dudu.
"like the United Nations becoming hostile to foreign countries"
Damn, that was on spot. :)
Or like a melting pot country like the US turning xenophobic? Eh, it can happen.
Jim Daniels the USA was always xenophobic until it became empirical after the Spanish war. We were still xenophobic but that was when our government attempted to disagree
Hmm.... that must be why the Statue of Liberty says "feck off!" on it.
Jim Daniels the Statue of Liberty was an unwanted gift from the French because they didn’t want the blasphemous idol of a mass psycho killer in their own country.
Jim Daniels so any and all misconceptions about us being accepting due to a big green eyesore in New York is the fault of foreigners and the aforementioned empirical government
“Before Picard can access her warp core” 😂🤣
More like "Jeffries tube"
Zamolxes77 Jeffrey tubes are internal. Her aft or fwd or primary hull torpedo launchers would work better.
And then all her clothes fall off and of course I’ve seen everything
Hope 😂😂😂😂😀
@@2bituser569 I would have thought, since it's made for the entry and exiting of vessels, shuttlecraft bay.
Within the first five minutes:
1. Politically correct female “bad*ss”.
2. Politically correct couple.
3. Attacking guys dressed in black speaking what [politically correct] sounds vaguely slavic [Russian, no? 😜].
4. Captain Picard wants to “raise awareness”.
Bye bye Star Trek.
RUSSIA BAD BIGOT !!!!
This franchise was what you call 'politically correct' and 'woke' since day one.
It showcases a future human society where people moved forward from petty bullshit like that comment of yours.
Star trek is supposed to be about hope for the future. When I want dark and cynical, I rewatch Babylon 5.
B5 was very hopeful, just not the same kind of hopeful. Dark and Cynical would be BSG
@@uadhlagash7280 More to the point, B5 was better written than STP could ever hope to be.
Babylon 5 was Realpolitik. Make the best of the situation the universe is throwing at you.
@@All2Meme STP was rubbish
_"Can you and your associates arrange that for me Mr. Morden?"_
The Klingons were not part of the Federation in TNG. They just had a treaty with the Federation, not membership in it. This becomes important in Deep Space Nine.
I think he is talking about Worf since he IS the first Klingon you see in TNG and he is a part of Starfleet :P
There's a first season episode where they mention that the Klingons had joined the Federation. But we all pretend that the first season didn't happen.
Yes but “a” Klingon is not “the Klingons”.
Nearly all TNG and DS9 episodes involving the Klingons make it very clear that the Federation and Klingons were just allies, if at all. TNG: "A Matter of Honor" unmistakably shows that there has never been a regular exchange of officers before, and that there is a great deal of mistrust between Starfleet and the Klingon Defense Force even though they are supposed to be allied. In "Reunion" and "Redemption" it is obvious that the Klingon Empire is a separate entity where the Federation has no business and where interference is outlawed under the Prime Directive. In DS9: "The Way of the Warrior" the Klingons even fight against the Federation (before officially declaring war in DS9: "Broken Link"). Sisko says that the Klingons have not only called back their ambassador, but that they have even retreated from the Khitomer Accords, their mutual peace treaty. Logically the Klingons would have had to leave the Federation first before going that far.
While they are en route to Starbase 515 in TNG: "Samaritan Snare", Picard is talking of his early days in Starfleet and the incident with the Nausicaans, when Wesley poses a surprising question: "Was that before the Klingons joined the Federation?"
Considering that Wesley is rather a science genius than a history buff and that Picard may have been preoccupied with his replacement heart surgery, that’s something we should overlook. Unless we found a way to re-interpret "joined the Federation" as just "became friends with the Federation".
@@AC-gb7do S2E17, Samaritan's Snare
PICARD: Several friends and I were on leave at Farspace Starbase Earhart. It was little more than a galactic outpost in those days.
WESLEY: Was this before the Klingons joined the Federation?
PICARD: That's right.
It's called a continuity error.
12:26 Exactly. "The Undiscovered Country" and "Wrath of Kahn" were relatable & plausible stories that dealt with not being able to change one's mindset (in the former) and in the latter, not dealing with a past (an old enemy / his son) that has a way of catching up to you.
I'm all for fresh viewpoints but why cast writers and directors who not only do not understand the underpinnings of the concepts but are openly and arrogantly out to prove it was all crap and they know better?
Next up: The "Breaking Bad" reboot brought to you by Seth Rogen and Will Ferrell.
Mark Marderosian
That breaking bad reboot with Will Ferrell sounds pretty damn funny.
mentalI ity is "They will bring a fresh perspective!" But there is a considerable gap between "fresh perspective" and "Don't know WTF they're talking about."
Well… Seth Rogen brought us The Boys. So... =)
The woke version of Breaking Bad? Oh no... it would be nothing but forced diversity, Very Special Episodes about refugees and a Gus Fring or Walter White knockoff as a stand-in for the Bad Orange Man.
I kind of know who those people are, not my kind of entertainers/ directors/ producers and or actors BUT I'm pretty sure that's really really really funny and true
the romulans were strong enough to rival starfleet. not only would they have enough places for their people to go, they'd have the fleet power to handle the whole thing themselves.
The best part of the first episode, for me, was that Picard called his dog Number One. That made me laugh!
Data looks like he was at his grandmas eating pancakes for the last 20 years.
No he just looks 25 years older. I wonder what you look like.
Indeed. He looks like they cropped out the inner portion of Brent Spiner's face and pasted it on a chubby person. The whole point is that he doesn't age, that's why Spiner refused to make a comeback for a long time, and I respect him for it.
or stung by a hive of bees
They have a lot of prosthetics on him to hide any wrinkles.
Some people were all excited that he was quote coming back unquote but it's like dude he hated the makeup and now theres even more of it. Did this as a favor, he'll never be a regular
And all they had to do was hire a UA-camr to do a deep-fake with Brent's younger looks..
4:27 Well, like the guys over at red letter media said, Picard's writers know very little about Star Trek
they know as much as Jay
Picard''s writers know very little about science fiction. And, what's more, they don't care. Deliver a political screed, add some cool SFX and fight scenes and we're good to go.
@@thesupremeatheistintellect64 that should be a on a shirt
"Jay, do you know about the Vaas? No. Okay so the writers don't know about the Vaas."
Sounds like fans critics for DS9 years ago. I remember everyone who called themselves "Fans" gone nuts because it was different to the ST they knew.
Star Trek: The Original Series: STTOS
Star Trek: The Next Generation: STTNG
Star Trek: Deep Space 9: STDS9
Star Trek: Voyager: STVOY
Star Trek: Enterprise: STENT
Star Trek: Discovery: STD. No wonder only "a dozen or so" dared touch it...
And now:
Star Trek: (Old) Picard: STOP
Common ground between Star Trek and Star Wars: fan-based films seem to be more authentic than the newer official movies and series.
Was trying tp figure out what ypu were including ST in beginning. Isee what you did there
it's VOY and ENT and you missed DS9, but I absolutely agree
@@falafeldurum2095 Thanks, corrected.
Star Trek was just called Star Trek.
@@GeorgeMonet I know. It is often used, however, to differentiate between the original series and the Star Trek fictional universe.
You can tell it’s fiction because in the future France doesn’t look like Iraq.
@@acrosswater9041 salaam aleikum, mon frere
He's fiction as well.the critical drinker is an actor.
@@acrosswater9041 but your daughter will be xD
@@acrosswater9041 "I don't want any kids :)"
good, good (rubs hands)
my work here is done
@SSI's Panzer General Actually by the 24th-Century, Earth should be more like Tatooine or Jakku.
'Let them die!'
For me William Shatner at his best.
Yes, and Kirk had a reason to hate them for killing his son.
@@2bituser569 Kirk hating the Klingons for killing his son is a great example of a bakanced moral quandary that makes the audience think about what the "right" thing to do is. Do you side with Spock who logically argues for compassion or Kirk who has every reason to deny the Klingons help?
@@raul_jocson_
Kirk had Bones and Spock, logic and human passion - well balanced receiving guidance from both of his trusted close friends.
Kirk had a reason, it was personal, however because of one you should not judge all of them - that was the message.
William Shatner said that right after he said "Let them die!" he waved his hand as if to say he didn't mean to say that, but they cut that part off.
@@deepspire Yep, he still hasn't forgiven Nicholas Meyers for lying to him about that...Shatner says that Kirk would never have said such a thing, even in bitterness over his son's murder by Kruge.
Picard: Let the romulans in, who else will tend my gardens?
What a fine and contemporary political message!
Even better: those Romulans took the Jobs of Humans who could have served in that position! If jobs were actually neccessary and income relevant in Federation society that is.
I don't think the clowns who wrote this garbage realise just how transparent they are.
I don't think these things are written by people anymore - just an AI aggregating social media posts.
I really thought they were going to follow through on that whole "well Romulans fought alongside Picard in _Nemesis,_ so PEACE NYUKKUHZ!". Instead we get Praxis 2.0. But nah, it's fine, super easy, barely an inconvenience.
@@Andrew-fq7pu I'd say these clowns are more blue in the face than transparent. But yeah, their total lack of talent and effort is glaring.
The entire "Synthetics" and cloning from Data idea is completely ripping off Fallout 4.
And I thought Discovery was shite.
Somehow The Orville, a _parody,_ has become more Star Trek than actual Star Trek.
Orville isn't a parody though. It has some parodic elements, especially early on, but at heart Seth loves TNG too much to bring himself to mock it.
Orville certainly _mocks_ TNG. Constantly, shamelessly, obviously, subtly.
But Orville does not _insult_ TNG.
@@pwnmeisterage autist to autist, you are correct to insist upon the proper definition of terms. I salute you.
@@zimriel It's a parody in the same sense as Galaxy Quest. It's meant to call out some stuff, but is more a loving dedication to the series than anything.
Still unsure as to the cloning using datas positronic brain. And why not just insert positronics into everyone's head and make a population of super smarts? Refusing to pay for another streaming service I have not seen this though. Are the synths Android's and as such zero tissue? If so cloning is an incorrect term. If they are human bodies with positronic brains then augmented would be a more correct term in my mind.
Picard = Discard. I don't like being lectured by my entertainment.
Shocking News right there.
I'll bet they call androids "synthetics" now because "andro" means "man."
And Lucas might try to sue them for using "droid"
MAN-DROIDS!!!!
hah, good point. Aner in Greek is man and if Greeks wanted to talk about general humanity of any of their three genders they would say anthropos.
The term synthetic has been around for decades.. the referred to bishop in aliens in 1986 as synthetic
@@Dodgewwwc in universe?
Doubtful. Tng ran 78 to 94..what was on in 85?
"Roundhouse kick from captain Pike" I laughed then felt ashamed then laughed some more...
6:28 When 'small weak unarmed female annihilates 4 strong men ' isn't progressive enough, you gotta get creative and blindfold her.
I’m sure someone have already pointed this out but the “synthetic” instead of Android is a SJW thing (of course). The “andro” part refers to a masculine form and we can’t have that now, can we?
When the word "gynoid" (female android) already exist
I think the Fallout games use Synthetic also. Android can mean a robot in Humanoid form but still recognizable as a robotic. A Synthetic is totally camouflaged as a human. Maybe your just reading the Andro thing wrong?
Greek *aner* = man
*andros* = male, masculine;
*anthropos* = male-faced; human being.
“More charisma in his hair than the entire discovery cast”
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b-but drinker... picard is BALD :O
Picard has full long hair (why would't you with that level of technology) but his romulan house servants installed a cloaking device as a joke after he passed out from too much wine. It is the future's eqivalent of drwing a D*** one one's face with permanent marker.
@@MelindaColden he is using hairworks, on amd.
@@yoshi314 Sadly I don't have RTX so he looks bald to me.
@@Yusuke_Denton barely anyone can afford to admire that mane
Show needs a name change to Star Trek: Discard
@scuba Steve I'd watch Star Trek: Retard xD That's gonna be a winner with stoners on Saturday mornings!
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Star Trek Discard:"Unengage"!
Star Trek: Total Recard, ehm Total Picard (for doing so much fan service and grave robbing on the original Star Trek)
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Am I literally the only person who noticed that the super nova that killed Romulus has changed? In 2009 it was the Hobus star (a star system neighboring Romulus), and in Picard the continually say "the Romulan Star" (which would actually mean the star at the center of the Romulus system.
or maybe they mean the exact same star, just called it differently because a lot of time has passed since the explosion.
My grandpa loved Trek, especially TNG. I can hear him rolling in his grave over this
“...even if he looks like he drank from the wrong cup in ‘The Last Crusade.’ “ Brilliant!! 😆😆
too funny even by Drinker's standards
Yeah, that pretty savage. but you know it’s true!
You have chosen...poorly
"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man" - Heraclitus
BuzzKill but he poops in it.
Carpet Hooligan fuck off shill.
@@nhmooytis7058 RIP
@@nhmooytis7058 Well,I regret being part of YOUR generation.
United States Of America do you regret being a dumb, obvious shill?
Honestly, I think Enterprise is way underrated and even Nemesis had some great aspects to it, not the least of which is the best space battle in the history of Star Trek on film.
Yeah I enjoyed parts of Nemesis even if it was ridiculous. And loved the space battles in this. Best portrayal of shields phasers and torpedoes imo
Diversity tax paid. Vigorous hand rubbing commence.
"Well, set phasers to Fucked." That's a great line. It really made me laugh! True but funny
“...land with all the impact of a roundhouse kick from Captain Pike.”
That nearly made me spit out my drink, Drinker.
Deadlius
I respond with a single green light beep
This makes me very scared for the Lord of the rings amazon show. I had little hope to begin with but this just goes to show that amazon just doesn't care
Amazon are moronic box shifters. What do you expect ... QUALITY?😂😂
The show concept doesn't even make any sense. The movies they made in the 2000 were perfect for Lord of the Rings.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for black hobbits, a gay wizard, and a transsexual elf in a wheelchair saving Middle-earth from a straight white man who believes in private property rights and freedom of speech.
Keep your expectations really low, any adittion to LOTR is going to be shit. There is no way to keep up with the originals.
@@unlokia secks penis
As usual Drinker, a florid, verbose yet fabulously satisfying critique that makes me wish I was as good a writer as your fine self. A wordsmith of such luxuriant and swanky tenor that one could watch the show after this and enjoy it even more so. More good man, more....
"It's like the United Nations being hostile to foreign countries."
Supernova:
"What the hell is Isra-el?"
Edit: Dear lord what have I done
The UN is hostile to the USA, despite the USA paying for it.
Oh the U.N. got some ugly skeletons of it's own.
Universe don't care about chosenites
@@muznick the UN is a great representation for the Federation. The original alliance which founded it (USA/UK & Earth/Vulcan) do *everything* while the other members sit around bitching about them.
@@nathanielbables8652 the fact it is called United Nations is a bad, ugly joke.. all they ever do is flaunt some influence they don't have, give zero fucks to world problems, filled to the brim with corruptions and conspiracy theories, ties to red and black markets, UN is cancer, their entire hierarchy needs to be replaced or the organization should be dismantled with something better and neutral, that shows some proper authority our nations can respect
To qoute the Godfather,:"Look how they massacred our boy".
That's my sentiment in regards to Star Trek Picard. This is not the Star Trek i grew up with.
The woke crowd won't be satisfied until they've dragged every classic franchise through the mud and destroyed what was good about it. It's not about replacing the positive messages in the past with new, updated positive ones, it's about "deconstructing" everything and making room for their negative worldview. Drinker nailed it with this one.
"Before Picard can access her warp core."....F&*K you, shot coffee out my nose laughing. Thanks
Dave Cullen of Computing forever did a wonderful review. Pointing out how Picard has amnesia, how it contradicts the other canon series (excluding STD). We just need to remember that STP is seprate from everything else. Even STD. It's not canon legally. It doesn't matter if the STD fangirls start screeching.
"Bending common sense to fit an agenda."
That's a pretty concise characterization of modern society right there.
“Set phasers to stunning,... and engage.” “(Picard) has more charisma in his hair (and there ain’t much of it) than the whole cast of (whatever the show is) combined.” Great lines!
This video told me all I need to know. It's garbage. Won't be watching.
:( It was one damn episode...I didn't especially like it, but it wasn't so bad. At least wait a bit.
I hope the "Sam Neil scream" becomes more popular then the "Wilhelm scream". Cheers!
If they really wanted to portray a reflection of 2020, they should have included piles of Klingon scat littering the Streets of San Francisco.
@Encore Baby BUILD THE SHIELD! BUILD THE SHIELD!
💯I like how Starfleet academy is based in San Francisco, yet that's the worst place for insane leftism, drugs, homelessness etc. They should make s new series based off that called Scat Trek.
My theory is this all occurs on one of Q's hemorrhoids.
Andrew Barratt thank you
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@@misss.o.j. "You are my Preperation H, mon Cap-I
i-tan!"
I'll do you one better: this is what the Pah-Wraiths are forcing Gul Dukat to watch, for all eternity, as punishment for failing them at the end of DS9. :P
@@alexlemonds2838 something tells me you're more of a hardcore fan, than I.
Data is evolving more and more into Michael Myers. Which ironically wore a slightly malformed mask of William Shatner.
I just discovered this channel and feel vindicated that someone else felt the world they showed was myopic and basically a reflection of the time it was created instead of an example of what we’re hoping to become. It was quite depressing except for seeing some beloved characters again but even Riker and Deanna had to have a tragedy in their past as if no one was safe from the future. While I love TNG cast especially Picard, this show left me sad, which is the opposite of how Trek is supposed to feel. And I’m not even going to talk about Discovery… 😕
“Synthetics”
“I prefer the term ‘Artificial Person’ myself.”
Peter Krochmalni beat me to it
Bitch your ass belongs to Weyland Yutani...you'll let me call you Synthetic and Like it Bishop.....
Cybernetic organism
I guess she don't like the cornbread, either.
That took me a long time to remember where that line came from
Like he drank from the wrong cup in The Last Crusade.
I snort laughed at that reference.
As a kid I didn't give it a second thought but... the two options, 1) ever lasting life or 2) you shrivel and die cause you drank from the wrong cup did some serious fucking damage to my decision making process LOL
The worst part of this Picard update... the characters are NOT from our Trek style future. The future where societal divisions and misery indexes are minimized. These characters swear, they're alcoholics, they're drug addicts, they have class envy, they even MURDER innocent characters and are immediately forgiven.
Confronted with this universe, I would join the Klingons. It would be glorious.
do you know the propaganda trailer about joining the empire? gets more persuasive with every new step the Federation takes
I'm really surprised the villian isn't an Orange Alien with a comb over style hair do or cranium, it may happen though...
PLEASE don't give 'em any ideas!!!
Yeah……listen to David Harrison.
@@hoyden1960 sure.
Like RLM pointed out, why are they trying to make Picard and Data gay?
They were amicable coworkers at best. Where did this come from?
they're pansexual now!
they're pansexual now?
they're pansexual now.
What's next? GAY robosexual marriage?
Apparently.
Data was like a child or a pet (stay with me on this) to the rest of the crew, because he had no ego to get in the way he was easier to love. RLM did point out that Picard wasn't buddy buddy with him in many scenes, but he was pretty much loved by the command staff. for Picard however it's different because he gave his life for him. there's room enough for Jean Luc to hold him in more open esteem after the fact and for him to remember him with more fondness in a 'you don't know what you've got till it's gone' fashion.
"If two male characters look at each other for longer than 1.4356 seconds, that means they love each other and need to BANG!" - Shipper's Law #5
"Mr.Data, shut up... 15 years I've been waiting to say that!" - Picard, publicly, to humiliate Data
Now: HE WAS MY BEST FRIEND
Granted he did save his life at the end of Nemesis, but still. Picard was more hostile towards Data than caring. Even told him to disassemble his child in TNG, now he cares about his possible child as if it were his own.
What is crazy is that someone redid the Data scenes, and it's startling that someone with a computer at home could do a better job than a studio with millions of dollars on hand.
I just watched the second episode. It gets even worse.
Anyone else actually like Star Trek: Enterprise?
Captain Archer is no Picard, but you have T'Pol in a skin-suit, so it evens out in my book.
net mentioning T'Pol, i just loved the characters in that series: Archer is no Picard, true, but Archer is a man that is improvizing as he goes, since no one has done anything he does before him, so he has no reference, so he can fail, and he fails, and he lives up to his errors, and never gives up... and i love Trip and Phlox... the only character i didn't really like was Malcolm
@@Moribax85 Exactly how I feel about it
Enterprise was really an ok show.
Ahhhh yes T'Pol was my Go To for years. Made me fall in love with skinny girls mmmmmm
Hell, I'd take another season of Enterprise over STD or Picard anyday.
Last time I was this early, Geordi La Forge was still Data's best friend.
@@NerdlySquared next season? That's bold.
I think Doomcock said it best
Star Trek: Puke Hard.
You know all about that, don't you Drinker? Oi, me too, need some alone time with my porcelain telephone.
The Porcelain Altar, at which thou shalt pray: "Oh God, never again! I swear, never again!"
Meetings weekly.
Just let me know when "Q" reappears for his personal splash across the Picardverse to save the show from itself!
RedLetterMedia hit this nail on the absolute head when they realized New Star Trek is based just on "What shit do random people remember about Star Trek?" and is in no way based in actual Star Trek lore.
Yep, as a Trekkie I found that bit was hilarious, sad but hilarious
The showrunners know even less about Star Trek than I do, and I know a bit more than Jay ☻ makes for the perfect shitshow.
Well, crafting a product for people who will like it satisfies neither the "woketard propaganda" nor the "maximize all money" dictates of current year Hollywood. So you get a shit product filled with 'splosions and lectures, that pleases very few, and even those few are pleased for reasons that are shallow and ill thought out. Those of us who actually LIKED things about Star Trek, and gave the franchise it's actual value, are spat upon as irrelevant. Good work, CBS!
>synthetics
I remember when Mass Effect stole from Star Trek, not the other way around
But in Mass effect they are just called synthetic life. In Star Trek they are called synthetics because they were made by someone, synthetically. In Mass Effect they replicate and nobody knows who and why they built them.
@@cerebelul So it's like Fallout 4 then. The Institute built androids and then changed their names to synths. They started off as obvious artificial creations and slowly became indistinguishable from humans. There was an incident where one of these synths killed a bunch of people and now the whole Commonwealth fears the Institute and their synths.
@@cerebelul Actually all the synthetic species in ME were built by someone and we know who. The Geth were created by the Quarians, and the Reapers were created by the Leviathans. The second one is contained in a shitty DLC so I can understand not knowing that, but the whole Quarian-Geth thing is pretty heavily addressed in all three games.
Yes I said three games. We don't count *that* one.
@@Dick_Kickem69 That one doesn't even even have anything to do with the Geth or Reapers because they have their own AI to understand but anyways, I guess I put it wrong in my wording. What I was trying to say about the synthetic beings in Mass Effect is that they were already established as a civilisation of their own, something that everyone was suspecting they were created by someone but didn't know by who until near end which pretty much stays the same for their beliefs about the origin of biological life until the very end where it is explained. That's why they are very different from Androids or AI and are just called synthetic life. Actually, none of the robots even look human(obviously) so how they call them is natural. In Star Trek on the other hand they are all Androids, designed to look like the species they were built by and serve them, with no language or desires of their own so calling them synthetic life suddenly just because they rebelled is outright retarded. The Geth and Reapers already had a culture and language of their own and their masters were long extinct. I bet that when they were created, they weren't called "synthetic life" by the creators and if they would have still existed, the Galactic Council wouldn't have named them synthetic life.
Data in TNG: TV not lasting beyond 2040.
Me in 2020, looking at TV: He may have been too generous...
I saw the 1st episode while I was in the hospital and I thought it was the morphine. Nope, this was a real show! I love Star Trek because it showed the best of what we could become. These new shows show us failing in these endeavors.Too bad we don't have the people who made the early Trek handling the shows now. Imagine what they could do with brilliant writing and the better effects. I proudly say it, I think the old trek with Kirk and company, Sisko and company and Picard and company far out does the crap today.
“High quality alcohol???” Drinker, we all know you’d pound fermented Gatorade if were any cheaper than the next option.
Don't give him ideas. We need him drunk enough to make the movie/series reviews funny but not damage his health beyond repair...or else no more Drinker.
Consider that Buckfast Tonic Wine is surprisingly expensive...
He misspoke, proximity not quality.
Kwalitee, with a capital K.
Do they do that yet?! Whoot whoot !
They changed the aspect ratio on data. Guess he's in wide screen now
Some things are better in 4:3.
It sybolized the ever expanding (ohh god just thinking bout that makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit) Synthetic threat.
@@spacedinosaur8733 Is that your nose, Pinocchio, or are you just happy to see me?
Remember that D.A.T.A. is a memory, and those "tend to go fuzzy" over time. Will "Q" reappear, just to make Jean Luc's life interesting?
I thought that should have stopped the movies when Data started getting fat 😂
This is one of your funniest reviews ever! Intentionally describing nauseatingly pretentious, and over-complicated scripts that try - and spectacularly fail - to be far cleverer than the Gender-Studies IQs that wrote them with simplified vernacular that smashes them right down to earth and exposes them for the self-indulgent toss they are with blunt phrases like 'Set phasers to f@#d', 'space sex'; 'diverse female' etc is just brilliant.
4:01 "But Drinker you strikingly articulate patreon of the arts, I hear you say..."
Completely lost it. XD XD XD
To summarize my thoughts on current Star Trek:
"If you ask a thousand Trekkies 'What makes Star Trek, Star Trek?' you will get a thousand correct answers. But, if you ask the people making current Star Trek that same question, you will get nothing but wrong answers."
You really think there are a correct answer to that? Okay, what makes Star Trek Star Trek: For me, it's DS9 - i am pretty sure a lot of ST Fans will tell me that DS9 is not their version of Star Trek as they like it. There are tons of episodes, books and movies - there is NO chance that every ST-Fan will have a correct answer to that question.
I think it's fair to say that the predominant moral perspective of Star Trek was as follows:
1. Exploration and discovery
2. A positive, hopeful view of the future and human potential
3. A focus on the good in and peace among all sentient species
4. A mirror to tackle present-day cultual issues without coming off as preachy
To me, this is the beating heart of Star Trek.
@@MyBrainGlows I grew up on TNG, but I also love DS9. DS9, while not as squeaky clean as TNG, still embodied the ideals of Gene Roddenberry. It was a bit more cynical at times, but it still promoted the idea that we can be better. DS9 put the values of Star Trek through the ringer, but in the end, it showed that those values still hold up.
STD, and now it seems Picard, abandon hope for a better future and wallow in misery and despair.
@@MyBrainGlows Did you even read the comment you are replying to? If so you really need to work on your reading comprehension.
@@MyBrainGlows
The op went right over your head didn't it ? Think about it.
So long as nobody says "The Power of Math" or "I Like Science", then it's got to be an improvement.
When you say "The Power of Math" do you hold a sword over your head while lightning dramatically flashes around you?
"Television didn't last much beyond 2040." Data was off by 20 years.
"May you live long enough to see that which you hold sacred, be profaned."
- Ancient Chinese curse
"my home town" looks like nearly everywhere here in scotland
Why couldn’t the Romulans take care of themselves? They were an ultra powerful and advanced superpower.
The Cardassians would have made a better fit because the Cardassian Union was in shambles by this point.
@Comstar: Space AT&T Yeah like the Dominion left a nuke behind or something as payback - would have been more plausable
They were super Nova deniers, of course!
It makes no sense, the Romulans had many planets in their "Star Empire", they could relocate their homeworld population to one of their own planets. It was just an excuse to cram in "refugees" as a plot line. As Drinker said "Is that a reference to something?" ugh.
@Comstar: Space AT&T if they referenced the Cardassian vs Bajoran thing, then nobody would be able to complain how "heavy handed political metaphor is being crammed into Star Trek all of a sudden".
(Though it is true, nobody seemed to notice how the Bajorans were both Jewish to the Cardassian Nazis, as well as the Palestinians to the Cardassian Israelis..... and on a rewatch, that was pretty heavy-handed.... i think the viewers were 1. more forgiving, when there was just ONE scifi thing to watch on TV in any given year, and 2. we were mostly 16 years old and didn't have 30 years of being told what to think about modern politics via Star Trek)
4:50 I'm glad they acknowledged the Kelvin timeline, because it means this is fake fanfic Picard.
i'm sorry, but the hobus supernova is now canon in the main timeline, really sorry for your disappointment... and btw, there's no hobus supernova in the kelvin timeline, the supernova in the main timeline is what starts the event that unfold in the kelvin timeline, that is decades before the hobus event
Moribax if any part of JarJar Trek is now canon, then have it shoot itself and put it out of my misery.
Guy Incognito not a FanFlic as Wokeman Don't even watch any of this stuff. Example: Critic who admits they didn't watch the "Witcher" reviewing it negatively.
@@Moribax85 As confirmed by Kurtzman www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a30491179/star-trek-picard-timeline-explained/
I want to see the Enterprise go thru a worm hole and come out of it briefly seeing the Death Star and then going back into the wormhole.