I am new to centerpin fishing and casting was the major issue, and I don't do it much but I have caught my pb steelhead and yesterday my best Rainbow at 20 inches in west Michigan. Till now I only side cast like you I have set out to learn the Wallace cast.
Great tips. I find heavier weights do help with casting distance. If the float and weight in my setup is too light, and because I'm still getting used to the speed, I often pull the line off the reel too fast and overspin it, causing more line to come out and easily causing a bird nest. So what I learned is to start slow with pulling out line and gradually increasing the force/speed until you get an optimal casting distance.
Getting a centerpin in 2 weeks for Christmas and super excited to practice using your method. I didn't even think about the float hitting the rod tip. Awesome tips!
Just bought a centerpin. Never used one before. Good video. I think just practicing the hand and finger position and controlling the spin is excellent idea! Thanks for the well thought out video!
I have the same reel and struggle with the Wallace cast. Learned the BC cast but know I can improve range with the Wallace. I appreciate the video and will be carrying my centerpin around the house trying to replicate what you did. Grew up in Angola but reside in Richmond. Make a trip to WNY every October. Hope to master it by then. Thanks for sharing.
Did you cover loading the tip? Most Wallis casters recommend putting a bend in the rod tip with the same hand that pulls line off the reel. This springs the float forward at the same speed as the revolving drum. With slightly heavier tackle you can side cast by placing the free hand at 90 degrees to the spool, effectively turning the centrepin into fixed spool line release.
Quite an informative video, having done a Wallis casting video many years ago for the old questoutdoors website and my own channel recently, I'll interject a few things. The modified wallis cast is not a wallis cast, its a pull cast just one of the many variations of a pull cast. The real Wallis Cast is the "European" style, originated by FWK Wallis, there are many great videos on this cast on the youtube. My other observations while using this cast exclusively is slow and steady wins the race. Timing is everything. I also prefer a bushing reel such as the JW Young Trudex II, its super smooth and doesnt have the startup speed as the Colville or the other bearing reels and i think the speeds these reels generate can be a hinderance. I also found a slower action rod such as a lower modulus graphite, glass, or split cane (i prefer split cane for my Wallis casting, it slower and much smoother). The real Wallis cast can be quite confusing your hands are in unnatural positions which can make it a very unweildly cast. Ill try to explain it (from a lefty pov)..... first grip the handle just aft of the reel seat using your thumb to brake the reel.... then using your opposite hand palm facing down cup the split shot close to the pinky and ring fingers..... then with the hand you are holding the shot with use that thumb and hook the line.... from there you simultaneously pull the line off the reel drop the shot ( the reel will be spinning at this point) as you are doing this you smoothly sweep the rod forwards towards the target. It's all timing and as you said in the video muscle memory. Great video filled with good information.
I have been fly fishing before graphite Rods. Learn Spey in Ireland many years ago and was one of the first fishing in USA with Spey gear. Now this centerpin casting is driving me nuts. I try to practice several times a week. Just like you I will find a way. Thanks and hope to see you on the river..
Don B I was trying to learn in the middle of winter. The trouble with learning the Wallis cast is the severe negative feedback you get with a bad cast - backlash, line wrapped around your handles, puddle of line at your feet etc. That's why practicing without having the line moving can help. I visualized the cast with the float going out and hitting the water. Then you can evaluate whether you started and stopped the reel at the right time and whether you used your pull hand to guide the line back. Good luck
To prevent backlash I’d use rubber band. Just give yourself 30-40 feet of loose line than put rubber band on the runner and wind up loose line. Then you can practise your cast without fear of tangled line.
Nice tips but you forgot a cherry ..... with cast presentation perhaps in slow motion. Many videos on this subject don’t show entire person and rod doing it which is shame.
Умеющий забросит любой катушкой, а дай неумехе продвинутую и он ничего не сделает. Катушка всего лишь инструмент, а для использования нужны знания и опыт. Он передает знания и опыт, а не катушку. Не важно, какая она.
Great analyses of what actually happens while casting. Very usefull.
I am new to centerpin fishing and casting was the major issue, and I don't do it much but I have caught my pb steelhead and yesterday my best Rainbow at 20 inches in west Michigan. Till now I only side cast like you I have set out to learn the Wallace cast.
Great tips. I find heavier weights do help with casting distance. If the float and weight in my setup is too light, and because I'm still getting used to the speed, I often pull the line off the reel too fast and overspin it, causing more line to come out and easily causing a bird nest. So what I learned is to start slow with pulling out line and gradually increasing the force/speed until you get an optimal casting distance.
Getting a centerpin in 2 weeks for Christmas and super excited to practice using your method. I didn't even think about the float hitting the rod tip. Awesome tips!
...that was really helpful, I could improve my modified Wallis cast significantly. thanks
Just bought a centerpin. Never used one before. Good video. I think just practicing the hand and finger position and controlling the spin is excellent idea! Thanks for the well thought out video!
Hi Steve. Thanks for a very thorough introduction to Wallis casting. I'm new to it myself, and needed this level of detailed instruction. Regards. Ray
I have the same reel and struggle with the Wallace cast. Learned the BC cast but know I can improve range with the Wallace. I appreciate the video and will be carrying my centerpin around the house trying to replicate what you did. Grew up in Angola but reside in Richmond. Make a trip to WNY every October. Hope to master it by then. Thanks for sharing.
Very helpful tips for someone like me just starting out! Great video!
Great video, thanks Steve
Did you cover loading the tip? Most Wallis casters recommend putting a bend in the rod tip with the same hand that pulls line off the reel. This springs the float forward at the same speed as the revolving drum. With slightly heavier tackle you can side cast by placing the free hand at 90 degrees to the spool, effectively turning the centrepin into fixed spool line release.
Great video, never took into consideration how fast the tip velocity is with a 13 foot rod. Thanks!
Great information buddy... thank you
Quite an informative video, having done a Wallis casting video many years ago for the old questoutdoors website and my own channel recently, I'll interject a few things. The modified wallis cast is not a wallis cast, its a pull cast just one of the many variations of a pull cast. The real Wallis Cast is the "European" style, originated by FWK Wallis, there are many great videos on this cast on the youtube. My other observations while using this cast exclusively is slow and steady wins the race. Timing is everything. I also prefer a bushing reel such as the JW Young Trudex II, its super smooth and doesnt have the startup speed as the Colville or the other bearing reels and i think the speeds these reels generate can be a hinderance. I also found a slower action rod such as a lower modulus graphite, glass, or split cane (i prefer split cane for my Wallis casting, it slower and much smoother). The real Wallis cast can be quite confusing your hands are in unnatural positions which can make it a very unweildly cast. Ill try to explain it (from a lefty pov)..... first grip the handle just aft of the reel seat using your thumb to brake the reel.... then using your opposite hand palm facing down cup the split shot close to the pinky and ring fingers..... then with the hand you are holding the shot with use that thumb and hook the line.... from there you simultaneously pull the line off the reel drop the shot ( the reel will be spinning at this point) as you are doing this you smoothly sweep the rod forwards towards the target. It's all timing and as you said in the video muscle memory. Great video filled with good information.
Great Video thanks!
I have been fly fishing before graphite Rods. Learn Spey in Ireland many years ago and was one of the first fishing in USA with Spey gear. Now this centerpin casting is driving me nuts. I try to practice several times a week. Just like you I will find a way. Thanks and hope to see you on the river..
Don B
I was trying to learn in the middle of winter. The trouble with learning the Wallis cast is the severe negative feedback you get with a bad cast - backlash, line wrapped around your handles, puddle of line at your feet etc. That's why practicing without having the line moving can help.
I visualized the cast with the float going out and hitting the water. Then you can evaluate whether you started and stopped the reel at the right time and whether you used your pull hand to guide the line back. Good luck
Good video Steve. I just bought a pin and trying to figure this thing out. Maybe I'll see you up at Burt again this year.
@@balls1299 Thanks
Good luck with the pin. It is a blast the first time you catch a steelhead on one.
To prevent backlash I’d use rubber band. Just give yourself 30-40 feet of loose line than put rubber band on the runner and wind up loose line. Then you can practise your cast without fear of tangled line.
Give us tips on steelhead ?! That would be very muchly appreciated
Thank you very much I finally conquered the beast
Nice thank you
Nice tips but you forgot a cherry .....
with cast presentation perhaps in slow motion. Many videos on this subject don’t show entire person and rod doing it which is shame.
what reel are you using?
Bruh, it’s called a pinky. Baby finger sounds creepy as shit.
If I was to use a Collville reel to learn to cast or teach people to cast I'd wear a bag over my head.
Умеющий забросит любой катушкой, а дай неумехе продвинутую и он ничего не сделает. Катушка всего лишь инструмент, а для использования нужны знания и опыт. Он передает знания и опыт, а не катушку. Не важно, какая она.