Are Stainless Steel Brake Lines Worth It? | The Fine Print

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  • @charlesrockwell3923
    @charlesrockwell3923 3 роки тому +164

    Working as a mechanic for 11 years on many high performance cars and vintage race cars we installed and serviced a lot of flexible stainless brake lines. We installed top brands like Spiegler and Earl's. Many of these brake line installations failed within just a few months. Flexible ends or not, this hardware is not really suitable for everyday street use. There is simply more flex at the line ends than the lines can handle, and the hose ends up splitting close to the end fitting. It is even a problem for race cars. The rubber hoses can tolerate a lot more flex cycles than the stainless hose.

    • @kalani1987
      @kalani1987 3 роки тому +2

      Is it good practice to change the rubber brake lines depending on the cars' age? This is assuming no visual leakage or damage present.

    • @OKMX5
      @OKMX5 3 роки тому +1

      @@kalani1987 it makes sense to change them on old cars, I would not trust them after 15 years or more.

    • @paulh9301
      @paulh9301 2 роки тому +2

      @@kalani1987 I know my motorcycle is not a car but my service manual said to replace brake lines every 4 years.

    • @GspeedR
      @GspeedR 2 роки тому +21

      Interesting. I also work for a high-end repair facility(20+ yrs) but have no experience the brands that you mentioned. I currently have StopTech lines on my Honda and Techna-Fit lines on my daughter's Nissan. Both have DOT approved fittings and have shown no signs of flexing failure. I sold my previous Volvo 240 with IPD lines that endured over 12 years/200k miles. Correct routing is essential and the technician was meticulous during those installs. I would tend to think that any SS braided brake hose that encounters more stress than it's rubber counterpart would be due to a poorly designed/built hose and/or improper routing during installation.

    • @RealNigga0190
      @RealNigga0190 2 роки тому

      @@GspeedR good to know

  • @802Garage
    @802Garage 7 років тому +258

    This video and the fact that you bothered to time stamp the description are reasons you deserve 1M subs. Go, go, go!

    • @JackWeaver
      @JackWeaver 7 років тому +3

      He's smart. Forums where some holy wars are waged debate this sort of "fine print". By giving you those hot links, you can easily copy & paste that into a forum to support an argument/claim, and he gets additional views. Win win.

    • @802Garage
      @802Garage 7 років тому +1

      For sure. It's a great video with good info and feels pretty unbiased.

    • @trevorsmall8763
      @trevorsmall8763 6 років тому

      pretty unbiased video!!!

  • @1anre
    @1anre 6 років тому +174

    Man succeeded in scaring the shit outta us that wanted to upgrade to braided stainless steel lines.

    • @LorenzoClara97
      @LorenzoClara97 5 років тому +4

      Exactly ahahahah

    • @oskarkarrera
      @oskarkarrera 3 роки тому +1

      Right, we all looking @ each other like WTF....

    • @Vermonstered
      @Vermonstered 3 роки тому +2

      One thing I didn't see mentioned also is stainless steel brake lines are also abrasive. Instead of rubber there's a PTFE line in there surrounded by a plastic cover to help prevent the stainless steel sheath from cutting into the line. Add in some road grit and tens of thousands of turns and flexing of the line inside the stainless steel sheath the brake lines are now a limited lifetime wear item. As it's life rubbing a piece of steel wool over the plastic protective cover every time you turn the steering wheel.

    • @neilbrown82
      @neilbrown82 4 місяці тому

      Lol 🤣 hell no

  • @BadShadd1
    @BadShadd1 7 років тому +165

    I put Stainless Steel brake lines on my motorcycle. I simply did it because I found the braking "Feel" to be much better. Very firm levers after installed. Of course part of this could be the fact that I installed new fluid and made sure they were bled to perfection. Nevertheless, they were red. I like red.

    • @colind7678
      @colind7678 7 років тому +13

      BadShadd1 I've put them on almost every motorcycle I've owned. Make the braking great.

    • @fckuyo3918
      @fckuyo3918 6 років тому +6

      Regular maintenance is probably a better investment on such a light vehicle. How often are rubber brake lines supposed to be changed on a bike, and who really does it to that schedule?

    • @aussiebloke609
      @aussiebloke609 5 років тому +8

      I used to do the stainless thing. Then I found that it's really hard to tell the difference between stainless and _new_ rubber lines - but most people are comparing them to the old, worn-out rubber lines that they're replacing. if you're a professional (with a like skill set) or if you're driving off-road a lot, I can see the point. But for spirited driving or the occasional track day - probably not worth the expense.

    • @alfs8
      @alfs8 5 років тому +2

      @@aussiebloke609 I absolutely agree with your on this point, I got my WRX braided brake line replace on my new WRX after 3500kms, same brake fluid, same pads and rotors, nothing firmer or better brake feedback compare to OE new rubber line, only find it change better by investing a bigger rotor, pads and calipers.

    • @ghostwrench2292
      @ghostwrench2292 4 роки тому +3

      I put stainless steel braided brake lines on my motorcycle years ago and I couldn’t believe how much better the braking feel was. I did the same to my car and not much difference. I took the steel braided lines off and put new rubber lines on.

  • @271production
    @271production 6 років тому +181

    One reason why many people see an improvement in brake pedal feel after upgrading is because they're replacing 15+ year old rubber hoses with brand new lines. They would've felt a difference too with new rubber hoses

    • @TheCarTakerGarage
      @TheCarTakerGarage 5 років тому +42

      Same goes with people talking down on "rubber bushings"..and wanting to put polyurethane bushings in their street car..and saying "those rubber bushings are crap compared to the nice colored poly bushes".They are comparing an old worn out part to a new "upgraded" part...and that automatically means that the original part is "crap."....man.....gotta love the 98percenters ;)

    • @santiagocallaba7816
      @santiagocallaba7816 5 років тому +22

      15+ year rubber brake lines AND 15+ year old fluid!!!!!!

    • @blazetownsend8785
      @blazetownsend8785 5 років тому +12

      I replaced originally with new rubber lines. My peddle feel was still mushy. So I replaced the master cylinder, still mushy. Found a deal on stoptek steel braided lines. (Cost was similar to the rubber lines.) So I picked them up, replaced the front lines. Still mushy, replaced the rears then, no mushy feeling. All new fluid, I replace every year to year and a half, mostly because I want a regular change so I never forget.

    • @jb6574
      @jb6574 4 роки тому +6

      I installed ss brake lines on my car just in the front. The brake pedal feel isnt really any different but the braking response is more immediate and responsive

    • @1989rrichard
      @1989rrichard 4 роки тому +4

      fuckinlowdowndrummer deffinetly not true ..if u track ur car or even street race doing digs.upgrading the bushing is a must to prevent flex.another important part is if ur start making lower and the motor flex u will have shifting issue.these are things that I personally have been through

  • @TheStraightPipes
    @TheStraightPipes 7 років тому +136

    And that is.... THE FINE PRINT

    • @savagegeese
      @savagegeese  7 років тому +56

      +TheStraightPipes Yo straight pipes can we collab on a Mitsubishi Mirage Hello Kitty Edition?

    • @TheStraightPipes
      @TheStraightPipes 7 років тому +38

      savagegeese find one and we'll book the next flight out

    • @zaitcev0
      @zaitcev0 7 років тому +2

      I honestly want to know what can be done with that little thing. The driving ergonomics with the manual are surprisingly decent for such as small and cheap car. I'm sure it's not beating Civic Type R, ever, but...

  • @edgardoamado7008
    @edgardoamado7008 7 років тому +162

    The word on the street is that turbosky uses stainless steel condoms 👏

    • @savagegeese
      @savagegeese  7 років тому +65

      +Edgardo Amado He does not use protection.

    • @justinjones1644
      @justinjones1644 7 років тому +10

      Scott is going to be the next person to have Chuck Norris-esque jokes created after him... I hope... :-)

    • @shadowkeeper0
      @shadowkeeper0 7 років тому +7

      Nah the protection isn't for him, if you know what i mean.

  • @doncorrado2609
    @doncorrado2609 7 років тому +45

    This is a great series, really appreciate the unbiased information

  • @onixtheone
    @onixtheone 5 років тому +40

    Basically, you don’t need a 4000 dollar suit if you’re working at Del taco..

  • @mm6705
    @mm6705 6 років тому +37

    In my opinion...
    The main reason is general brake feel, not necessarily during track conditions or from heat of the fluid expanding. The benefits are felt EVERY SINGLE TIME you press the brake pedal, at any speed. The oem rubber lines dont hold the 100's of psi (during even a regular brake application) without deforming slightly, which is felt in pedal feel.
    However, many cars have very soft cast brake calipers , that flex significantly as well. If you have basic cast calipers (or non-perfomance street pads with low initial bite), you will still have a spongy pedal feel even with the stainless steel lines, so just save your money.
    I agree on the downsides, however.

  • @JimboJason
    @JimboJason 7 років тому +6

    Very informative, really looking forward to this "fine print" line of videos, glad to see you trying new things with the channel. It's turning into one of my favorite car related UA-cam destinations.

  • @2010challengerRT
    @2010challengerRT 6 років тому +2

    I love your Fine print videos. You go into topics that aren't always well-covered. It's pretty cool. Keep it up

  • @jimest4602
    @jimest4602 4 роки тому +4

    There is another reason for stainless steel brake lines, and that is feel. Knowing what is happening at the pad is another piece of telemetry that I appreciate. You don't need it on the street, but I have them for the feel. Just because you technically don't need them on a street car, doesn't mean you shouldn't use them. If your car is your love and you don't track it, there are better places to spend your money. Its just this guy's opinion from a practical perspective.

  • @aroundomaha
    @aroundomaha 3 роки тому +1

    The Fine Print series was excellent. I know it isn't an eye magnet but I learned something from every single one of them. Thank you for this content.

  • @theCycleReport
    @theCycleReport 7 років тому +1

    New segment type is really cool. Loved watching you hold back a smirk when you say the tagline at the end! Keep them coming. This wasn't news to me but I'm sure plenty will have some helpful info, can't wait to see more.

  • @JPasdfjkl
    @JPasdfjkl 7 років тому +38

    SS brake lines also benefit if you do any type of backroad or canyon driving. Fluids don't have to reach boiling point for you to feel the benefit of SS lines.

    • @patthonsirilim5739
      @patthonsirilim5739 4 роки тому +1

      i use to track my z1000 on oe rubber hose the dual 4 pot tokico works a treat but after a few laps they start to get smoshier not much but the lever seem to go in deeper then when you first start after i replace to earls racing steel lines the braking pefromacne stays consistant troughtout the session for road i say the difference its unlikly to be noticable but when your fluid are hot from constant full braking corner after corner the rubber hose will degrade your performance as the laps piles up but if im honest on the road you barely feel the difference maybe abit of feel but definitly wont shorten your emergency braking distance to be honest

    • @macantonioc
      @macantonioc 3 роки тому

      This is me with my personal car in Mexico. Lots of twisty roads in the mountains, especially going downhill.

  • @kbc8090
    @kbc8090 7 років тому +1

    Great start to this series! Looking forward to the following videos.

  • @ZakElbas
    @ZakElbas 7 років тому

    Please keep this series going. This is great. Thank you

  • @SunlightSomeDay
    @SunlightSomeDay 7 років тому +1

    Love the frequency and quality of your videos. Thanks for the good content

  • @crazynerd195
    @crazynerd195 7 років тому +19

    Love this new series. I'm really glad you started it. No doubt, you're the most real car UA-camr I've watched. Your channel is fantastic.

  • @respekted
    @respekted 7 років тому +1

    Just subscribed. I watched two of your vids and I must say the channel is excellent with great commentary that includes unbiased impressions and useful technical details.

  • @thejaswal
    @thejaswal 2 роки тому

    Best and honest advise I have ever seen on UA-cam so far.

  • @jamesbond7648
    @jamesbond7648 6 років тому

    Honest reviews are always the best!!!! Keep the honesty and great job!! Thank you Sir!

  • @largo2001
    @largo2001 6 років тому

    Very informative...I know little about cars, but can't stop watching this channel. Go SG!

  • @ortiz73caify
    @ortiz73caify 6 років тому +2

    Awesome reviews I like how you give the pros and cons to what real world people would go through or deal with.

  • @rustyshackleford4801
    @rustyshackleford4801 7 років тому +152

    Hot brake fluid can't melt steel beams

  • @tk421tt
    @tk421tt 6 років тому +6

    Good honest review. I upgraded to SS lines two weeks ago... absolutely no difference on the street.

    • @ghostwrench2292
      @ghostwrench2292 4 роки тому +1

      My experience as well. Huge improvement on my motorcycle though.

  • @JackRR15
    @JackRR15 7 років тому

    These series are great by the way. Please go on!

  • @mlb6d9
    @mlb6d9 6 років тому +2

    Very informative - thanks for the thorough, no BS explanation!

  • @corporalcabbage
    @corporalcabbage 6 років тому

    youre the only person i can find who tells all useful information wether it is bad or good

  • @miguelgalicia9180
    @miguelgalicia9180 6 років тому +1

    Fantastic video. Very educational, great visuals and clean down to the point understanding. Thanks!

  • @luckyjerk2890
    @luckyjerk2890 7 років тому +3

    These are the type of informative videos that are needed. No BS laughing acceleration videos, no widebody/bag everything, no junk half ass install ebay videos.Just some good informative videos that teach you what (and maybe safe you money like this video) modification does and the benefits and importantly the draw backs are.This channel should be held in high regards in the automotive youtube channels. Keep up the damn good work!

  • @Mrwaffleandmilk
    @Mrwaffleandmilk 7 років тому

    you dont know how long ive waited for this exact video!!! I am rebuilding my 1950 Cadillac and I really was confused on the benefit of steel brake lines !!

  • @Hunedpcl7
    @Hunedpcl7 6 років тому

    Why am I just now discovering this channel? I've been going through videos; great content. Hope this channel blows up.

  • @CHR0MAT1C
    @CHR0MAT1C 3 роки тому +2

    This was a perfect "philosophy of use" analysis. Great video!

  • @filbertjeremia3548
    @filbertjeremia3548 6 місяців тому

    Amazing explanation for the pros and cons between each rubber and stainless brake lines!

  • @bk138gt6
    @bk138gt6 7 років тому +1

    This is great information. Please keep doing these. I'd like to hear about the practical applications of all the common mods, intake, exhaust, springs etc

  • @smashingartful
    @smashingartful 7 років тому

    Sweet lord, legit information in a consumable package. Very nice video as per usual.

  • @datkidelmo
    @datkidelmo 7 років тому +1

    Great vid saved me some money that I was gonna waste while upgrading my braking components thank you! Very informative

  • @johng.4959
    @johng.4959 7 років тому +1

    Informative and a great asset to the enthusiast. Keep up the great work!!

  • @telmocalero1061
    @telmocalero1061 5 років тому +32

    I just found this video after installing stoptech stainless steel lines in my daily driver 😅

    • @jaimetorres028
      @jaimetorres028 4 роки тому

      I'm looking into replacing mine on my daily driver. I live in Los Angeles. Believe it or not, I do feel brake fade in the hot summer weather on the rapid stop and go traffic. After replacing yours, can you tell me how the braking feels? Are your brakes wearing faster? What vehicle do you drive?

    • @jaimetorres028
      @jaimetorres028 4 роки тому

      One last question, do you feel like your ABS kicks in way faster?

    • @telmocalero1061
      @telmocalero1061 4 роки тому +5

      I live in LA too, I drive a 2001 toyota celica gt. After installing the lines the brake pedal feels very firm when breaking, however this does not translate to stoping power, and the ABS does seem to kick in faster, also the pads also wear faster. I would say that if you do not take your car the track just stick to the OEM lines and just upgrade you pads to cermic ones.

    • @jacktran960
      @jacktran960 3 роки тому

      StopTech ones are DOT approved at least, so no big issues there if you install it right.

    • @AceSolomon94
      @AceSolomon94 3 роки тому

      Same. Luckily I could only do one side since I stripped the brake line nut on the other (didn't use a flare wrench)

  • @scottmurphy4946
    @scottmurphy4946 7 років тому +85

    Rubber it is
    Very informative video man, keep up the good work

    • @sleepy399
      @sleepy399 3 роки тому

      Would ribbed rubber feel any better ?.

  • @IamBeeLe
    @IamBeeLe 3 роки тому

    Love it, pro/cons and straight to the point!

  • @evanc.1591
    @evanc.1591 10 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for this. I was considering putting some braided lines on while doing the brake pads, but I think I'll just use some new rubber lines, since the ones on there now are about 12-13 years old. I don't do serious track driving, because I don't really have the spare time or money to get into it. Fundamentally, even though I do like to go fast, it's still just street driving.

  • @LordWanFu
    @LordWanFu 7 років тому

    Awesome. More great, well-explained concepts presented at a high production level. MOAR, PLZ. =)

  • @autoxbrz5651
    @autoxbrz5651 7 років тому

    Bravo. Great information here & looking forward to more fine print videos.

  • @cloudk2088
    @cloudk2088 7 років тому

    I'm liking this Fine Print series, some bad always comes with the good.

  • @poot111111
    @poot111111 7 років тому +1

    Love this series! Keep it up savagegeese !!!

  • @niconine268
    @niconine268 Рік тому

    Thank you. Great info. Level headed & honest. No hype no bias

  • @Soldadummy
    @Soldadummy 7 років тому

    Excellent! I'm a big fan of The Fine Print.

  • @Callediceman
    @Callediceman 7 років тому

    Loving the new series!

  • @_Johnny.B.Goode_
    @_Johnny.B.Goode_ 3 роки тому

    Excellent explanation and a good watch. Much appreciated!

  • @slothin21
    @slothin21 7 років тому

    Keep these videos coming! So much great info

  • @TypeVertigo
    @TypeVertigo 7 років тому +1

    Great start to the series and much appreciated. I can attest to the benefits of stainless steel brake lines on the track, but they do feel like overkill on the street unless your security depends on limit braking.

  • @iliasmetalworks
    @iliasmetalworks 5 років тому +2

    Every word you said is wisdom.Polite,humble,spot on.

  • @eukyLIPtus
    @eukyLIPtus 5 років тому

    Thanks, your video pop up right on time. I’m rebuilding a beat up Car and thought of replacing the brake line with ss type. So helpful in deciding to go for it or not.. cheers!

  • @new1ru
    @new1ru 5 років тому

    I didn't like the way this guy started slow with a lot of words and wide spaces between them at the first glance, but it it's got all perfectly aligned with the actual information the video was claimed to deliver. I was very pleased to see all of my qustion answered exactly the way they should have been.
    Good job!

  • @charliejoker79
    @charliejoker79 7 років тому

    Excellent! This is the kind of stuff you need to be doing!

  • @paulff3
    @paulff3 5 років тому

    Very timely watch for me. Getting a quote on a brake upgrade today.

  • @blitzbbffl
    @blitzbbffl 7 років тому

    Concise, brilliant, and to the point!

  • @Gilamang
    @Gilamang 7 років тому

    Very informative. Like this vein of videos. Keep up the good work.

  • @williambohon3093
    @williambohon3093 Рік тому +2

    I love my goodridge ss lines. the feel is amazing and adds to performance just because of that. It is very vaulable on the street imo. THe brakes are the most important thing on a car. I will have them on all my cars.

  • @th0r904
    @th0r904 8 місяців тому

    Great video, quick concise and right!

  • @ZacBernasconi
    @ZacBernasconi 7 років тому +1

    I'm glad someone is making videos like this with so much misinformation on the internet. I myself have all this stuff too, but like said in the video just know what you are getting yourself into. more maintenance and checking.

  • @SM_420_Blaze_It
    @SM_420_Blaze_It 7 років тому +1

    I like the new series, my favorite part of this channel is the no Bullshit approach, keep up the good videos👍👍

  • @dommelville8613
    @dommelville8613 7 років тому

    Another top video dude, keep up the good work.

  • @mikez2407
    @mikez2407 6 років тому

    Good info in a quick, short vid. Thanks!

  • @williambellisIII
    @williambellisIII 7 років тому

    Terrific breakdown. Thanks for the video.

  • @mikewazowski7613
    @mikewazowski7613 7 років тому +18

    Savagegeese has videos just about everyday???? I can die a happy man now. Dude, good work on all of your videos, and the shoppe is sweet. Hurry up and get Scott back on the videos so that my life can be complete.

    • @mikewazowski7613
      @mikewazowski7613 7 років тому

      Madeline, as do I. His rye sense of humor goes perfectly with the videos he's in.

  • @melsialiaj
    @melsialiaj 5 років тому

    Nobody ever talked on the downsides of stainless steel brake lines. Glad you did.

  • @JohnyMcNeal
    @JohnyMcNeal 7 років тому

    Great video, and 2 videos in 2 days, nice.

  • @Adamsgotgame
    @Adamsgotgame 5 років тому

    I super enjoyed that! Thanks for the tips!

  • @jasonp2094
    @jasonp2094 2 роки тому +1

    stumbled on this video and it helped me make my decision. I almost went stainless because mine are getting mushy, but glad I did research first

  • @lito777
    @lito777 7 років тому

    Thanks, good info and to the point! great job.

  • @ninjadust77
    @ninjadust77 6 років тому

    I like this new series... Keep em up

  • @richardfabrizio8998
    @richardfabrizio8998 Рік тому

    Very well explained. Thanks

  • @entertainment72
    @entertainment72 6 років тому

    Such an excellent informative video, subscribed.

  • @dpark3936
    @dpark3936 7 років тому +1

    All your videos are very informative and helpful to me personally and Im sure to everyone else as well. I have decided not to go with SS lines for my S2000 after watching this video. Thank you always!

  • @kingcobra3854
    @kingcobra3854 7 років тому

    Good info and to the point, thank you sir!

  • @Slevin-Kelevra
    @Slevin-Kelevra 6 років тому +1

    I love your production quality!

  • @Jaime7188
    @Jaime7188 6 років тому

    Thank you for the info. I'm getting MTEC stainless steel lines put on my frs this week with rbf600 fluid and winmax w3 pads so ill be ready for the track next month

  • @giff74
    @giff74 6 років тому +12

    Great job! You could make a part 2 about race brake fluid and pads?

  • @ephesians3987
    @ephesians3987 6 років тому +1

    Great honest video thank you!

  • @gsheverything_2716
    @gsheverything_2716 7 років тому

    Love the series guys

  • @joebrown9621
    @joebrown9621 4 роки тому

    100% agree with you 👍🏾 only thing i could add as it relates to liability is the shock load stress then the abs module activities hammering brake system through fluid during its operation.. rubber lines act like accumulators reducing the shock load as the pressure spikes then module pulsates

  • @anm0604
    @anm0604 5 років тому +2

    ALWAYS IMPRESSIVE PRESENTATION

  • @ewalt5501
    @ewalt5501 2 роки тому

    Makes a lot of sense! Thanks you!

  • @alexisamtosta
    @alexisamtosta 5 років тому +1

    Thanks a lot for your explanation. I will keep my rubber ones then.
    Regards

  • @vinny2474
    @vinny2474 6 років тому

    this guy is great. i really like these videos.

  • @funtrain23
    @funtrain23 6 років тому

    Thanks for the analysis

  • @Floyd112007
    @Floyd112007 5 років тому +2

    Should have watched this before I bought my stainless steel brake lines.

    • @louie4316
      @louie4316 5 років тому +1

      Don't feel bad, the SS lines will give you much better pedal feel because there's no expansion on the lines from the hydraulic pressure. Its worth it, nothing scary about it. These lines are used in the racing world where they're tortured, they wont fall apart at the fittings.

  • @ThatGuyKappa
    @ThatGuyKappa 5 років тому +3

    Not alot of people really talk about these braided plastic lines wear out very quickly, leak, and come apart at the terminations after all those expansion and contractions wear out the plastic at the termination joints, yes what they call stainless braided lines are basically a plastic like material line, many have had lines severed at the terminations, good for track and feel, doesn't last on the street, these braided lines are dangerous on the street , even if you inspect them you never know when they will shear off at the terminations, rubber hoses are much much more forgiving aka flexible and last basically the life of the car, if only someone came out with super high quality hybrid brake lines without the shearing issues at the terminations.

  • @R3XZiLLA
    @R3XZiLLA 3 роки тому

    well explained. helped me make a decision to not the replace the rubber brake lines on my wrx and avoid the extra cost.

  • @professordinkus
    @professordinkus 6 років тому +2

    this channel is absolutely amazing, he's very knowledgeable and in biased in his reviews and information. He deserves way more subs. I don't know anything about cars but his channel makes me want to learn as much as I can! hopefully all from him!

  • @stevenmcbride2776
    @stevenmcbride2776 3 роки тому

    Nice ride,have one just like it,thanks for the info makes sense

  • @fekawidjaja1235
    @fekawidjaja1235 4 роки тому

    awesome review thank you mate

  • @nealarcher1970
    @nealarcher1970 5 років тому +36

    I’ll save you some time:
    1) Why steel braided brake lines?
    • Because they don’t expand. Period.
    2) Do you need them for the street?
    • No.

  • @thedark5577
    @thedark5577 7 років тому

    more of these please !

  • @TheMcShay
    @TheMcShay 7 років тому

    So informative!

  • @be_easy001
    @be_easy001 7 років тому +8

    Savagegeese you and engineering explained should do a track day competition with the S2000's!

    • @savagegeese
      @savagegeese  7 років тому +4

      +Be_Easy yeah that would probably be a fun time.