I love his enthusiasm for the experiment, and in shedding light on what it must have been like so long ago :) Of course the enthusiasm is ramped up for the camera. I'd like to know how they calculated the distance and/or angle of release.
@@mrfisher7532 I would imagine in an actual siege every single shot would hit though. It`s pretty hard to miss a castle when you can take your time. That thing is the size of a village.
@Samuel Lux Having fun like him is funny but not wrong. I was told I was childish for having a Gojira poster in my room years ago, but I was like "I DO WHAT I WANT. I DON'T NEED TO FOLLOW THE CROWD. THAT WOULD MAKE ME WEAK-MINDED."
@@connordickerson6815 It's amazing that he would expose himself like that. It's so painfully obvious that he wishes he was so enthusiastic about something interesting. Oh well, I hope he has more content in his character than in his channel!
1:37 that sprint to see the damage is golden. Never have I seen a human so eagerly rush to see something that isn't going anywhere and requires no urgency haha.
Fun fact for those who dont know, Edward Longshanks built a massive one called War Wolf to use against the scots. They surrendered when they saw it but Longshanks fired it anyway to see how cool it looked!
It´s not unusual to find ancient ammo near fortresses all around Europe. I refrained myself of taking a chunk of a cast iron mortar grenade, probably turk, I found near a venetian fortress at Crete...
But I don't think trebuchets would have been used against a palisade. They were for bringing down stone walls. It's like using a hammer as a fly swatter. I mean, who is building wooden palisades in the 12th century except as a temporary encampment? A trebuchet, which is built onsite during a siege, probably takes longer to build than the palisade fort it's attacking.
@@kilroy2517 not for taking down stone walls, but for firing over them. The walls would be too thick to br brought down by rocks so instead they sought to wear down the will of the people but its secondary role was to take down hastily built defenses.
Wish they could do this test against a proper stone wall (ie: correct thickness and construction of a section of a castle wall), would love to see the impact/damage it causes.
@@zach3924 I mean man, no offense, but the actual big thing can fire like 10/20 times per day? Okay, imagine having 10 of those machines firing 10/20 times per day rocks of 100kg for a months... Your walls might be thick I understand, but eventually they will fall. Quoting (kinda) your own quote "people would have not built trebuchet (since they were hella expensive) if they did not work". Trebuchets were incredibly effective, the problem was their price, the maintenance cost and the incredible amount of people needed to be fully operative. The fact that the majority of the armies of the time were made of mercenaries, that those complex machines needed a specialized crew and a lot of people to help them... The lack of even just one component (either the specialized crew, the resources or the manpower) made trebuchets useless, AND THAT was what made them ineffective, not the machine itself
@@laonch6073 No? It takes like a minute to reload it. ~50 times per hour is a realistic with an energetic crew. The most tiring and longest part is winching the thin end down into the launch position, but even that can be done by a group of people pulling a rope, one more to put the pin in once it's down, another guy to grab the basket and manually pull it under the treb (dangerous to start this before the treb is locked by the firing pin, but saves time). And perhaps one more dude at the front part of the trep to load the next rock into the basket as soon as the basket-pulling guy hands him the basket. With enough crew perhaps even 2 shots per minute can be made
It was done. In the 90's there was a documentary where one crazy farmer built a trebuchet with girders, while another team recreated a "genuine" medieval wooden trebuchet by looking at old texts & manuscripts. Although he was an experienced trebuchet builder the farmer dude's girder behemoth failed catastrophically after a couple of shots. The wooden, wheeled trebuchet the historians built was lethal. Once they'd dialled it in it was frighteningly accurate & made short work of the stone wall that had been built as their final target. I see a lot of these videos that have the trebuchet anchored to the ground. A trebuchet needs to be on wheels for maximum efficiency. That was to an extent rediscovered in the documentary.
@@runlarryrun77 Is that doco on the internet? Do you have a title I can search for? I don't see how a trebuchet on wheels could be more efficient. I mean, the wheels would obviously be there to let it move... but if the trebuchet is moving, then some of the energy from the mechanism must be going into moving the trebuchet. Which means it's not going into moving the stone. It just doesn't seem possible for that to be more efficient due to the law of conservation of energy, so I'm really curious how that is beneficial. Something to do with adding more leverage, perhaps?
I was very impressed by the distance the boulder was covering, then unimpressed by how seemingly little it did against the seemingly wimpy wood, then right back to impressed when I saw the expert run up next to it for scale
Same -- that wasn't some little birch trees, those were logs. A Treb knocking on your door is terrifying -- those rocks pounding on stone walls, hour after hour, from a range no weapon could retaliate at, could eventually break a castle. Eventually your battlements are full of holes, your wall is porous as a sponge, and your soldiers are terrified by the sound of falling rocks after one unlucky guy gets brained by one during breakfast.
Yep, those logs aren't wimpy. A boulder that splintered them would likely have gone through the masonry wall of a typical house. I honestly would want at least 2 yards of thickness for a stone wall that I was defending if the enemy was using these.
Imagine knowing the weight of the stone ball and calculating the trajectory for such accuracy . Archaeologists and historians believe 50 men could go into a forest to cut wood for the trebuchet while iron was being forged for fittings and a trebuchet could be built in less than 2 days .
It is actually pretty easy, and (tip) you do not need to know the weight of the stome to calculate the trajectory, but just the inital release velocity. In medieval times, they were not yet aware that Y = -1/2 x g x t² + vo x sin (alpha) x t and all of this, but by trying/retrying, you can easily figure out the stone distance and therefore be very very accurate.
@@jean-marc7999 all in all true, but to be fair, the release velocity is a function of the weight (heavier -> slower), as well as the inertia against aerodynamic drag (heavier -> less loss of speed resulting in more parabula shape like your eqation. A ping pong ball would not follow the parabula but lose speed and falling down shorter). But all stones should be of similar size thus have similar weights, so that these differences are really small and the experience can be gained.
@@Haniel93 I know, but thank you for your comment. All the point was to illustrate the fact that strictly speaking, the trajectory equation is indeed indepedent of the weight(y=-1/2 x g x t² + vo x sin(alpha) t), as well as the absolute distance : Dmax = vo² x sin(2 x alpha). But you are right of course : for a not ideal corps (big volume vs low weight), it will not hold :-) An interesting subject ! Take care of yourself and your family !
@@jean-marc7999 You're missing the point though. I'm order to calculate the trajectory in advance from the release velocity, they would need to first know the release velocity... which depends on the mass of the stone. Your initial statement is sort of cherry picking, it's a bit like if you had said "they wouldn't need to know the mass or volume of a log to know whether it would float, only its density!" Right, and how did they get the density then?
I remember a short video years ago about a team building a trebuchet and getting poor performance from it. Upon reexamining the old images they were using as a model they noticed that it was mounted on wheels. This had been dismissed in their model. When it was incorporated into their design they experienced a very great improvement in performance. This introduced a back-and-forth movement into their catapult that was similar to the windup of a baseball pitcher. At least that's the way I understood it.
"Hey, du hast ja ein riesiges Grundstück! Was willst du damit machen? Weizen, Mais oder Raps anbauen?" - "Eigentlich nichts davon. Ich dachte mir, ich baue ein riesiges Katapult und schieße damit auf Holzwände." - "Okay, das macht natürlich Sinn." - Aber geil!
"I purchased a catapult from the Renaissance Fair. I shot flaming volleys at the guy I owe money to and burnt down the entire neighborhood! The manufacturers will pay!"
0:00 This video begins in error. The device depicted in this video, which indeed appeared in the 12th century, is the counterweight trebuchet. It's origin is Mediterranean. This video confuses this trebuchet with the mangonel ("traction trebuchet"), which is indeed of Asian origin as it first appeared in ancient China and was popularized across Eurasia in the 6th century. But that comparatively primative and unsophisticated weapon operates by multiple men pulling on ropes to launch the projectile with human power.
I was looking for this comment buried somewhere. Sorry, but nowadays Europeans have no history. Everything they ever "created" they stole from other cultures. White European people have no real history or culture, it's all from somewhere else. This is the modern narrative of Europe and its people. And if you attempt to deny it you're a "racist."
@UCHoEQPd_u4_oPlpPkKCJBfQ I don't really believe what I said was true, I was merely stating the woke narrative that has now infected European history along with everything else.
Well... Mediterranean in here means either Byzantines or the arabs where the first recorded use of trebs occured. Not the western European countries. We never claim we asians created the roman catapults, scorpions, engineering or modern musketeers, arquebusiers, steam engines or tanks etc. It's just that not every discovery and innovation comes from Europe like you guys were taught. There were large and civilized Asian countries who were enjoying their golden age when europe was in it's dark age.
@@ProfX501 guy , catapults were made precisely for break wall z even if they were made of stone , but of course they wouldn't break it that easy, but it can
ProfX501 Video game or not, a siege engine could break through a stone wall. That’s the entire purpose they serve. It wouldn’t break it in one go, like the palisade, but if you had 5 or 6 launching rocks again and again for a week, you’d make it through. And even if you didn’t, imagine being a defender, trying to sleep through that noise, knowing an army is waiting outside, possibly moments away from breaking the wall and storming the city. You’d be scared, and low morale would make you want to surrender.
For those wondering if the trebuchet can break stone walls, the answer is YES. Definitely. Given enough hits. Sieges lasted a long time, and there would be many trebuchets built, constantly hurling massive rocks, some were 90kg in weight. The big trebuchet can throw such rocks to 300 meters, well beyond archer fire range. They were the ultimate siege weapon, until the cannons arrived, also from Asia.
but they were incredibly inaccurate like pretty much any medieval range weapon (and were probably the most inaccurate of them all). It's not like every stone would hit the wall and not like even every tenth stone would hit the wall. Besides, 90 kilos stones were exceptions, regular shots were usually much lighter.
nah. not that little rock that he was holding to destroy a wooden palisade. for a stone wall, you need to age up your trebuchet. research mathematics/geometry. upgrade traction to counterweight. increase projectile weight to 90~100kg. Or just bring bombards.
Is it just me, or does it look as though it hurled that stone over a stand of trees before contacting the palisade? I wish they would've provided some stats on it. How tall is the trebuchet? How much did the stone weigh? How far did the stone travel? How much altitude did the get? The palisade timber that was shattered looks to me to be about 8-10"in diameter. Pretty substantial.
The best I can do is a very rough estimate. The counter-weight box look to be about 5' tall. Compare that to the whole of the machine and the machine would be anywhere from 35'-40' tall with the arm in the vertical position. That's based on the perceived size of the box with someone in it and someone standing next to it on the ladder and someone close to it on the ground.
@@GroovyAnthropomorph Man, that seems high to me on the weight. Here's why I say that. In the video it shows the guy positioning the rock in the sling. He appears to move it with ease while at full stretch. Maybe he's inordinately strong, I don't know. But, 90kg(200lbs?) seems like too much, in my opinion. Is say closer to half that.
@@mathieuboe9128 If you actually look closely, you can see the the logs are tipping as the camera cuts away, hence why they are further a part in the next shot.
To be fair, it took days of concentrated fire to do proper structural damage to a castle wall, and that would probably not be very impressive for their purposes. Not that this was either, but..
Clearly you guys are not familiar with Mike Loades, he's actually a total badass and extremely passionate about what he does (medieval weapons, fighting, horseback riding, archery, etc.)
@@forrestl5597 It wouldn't break through a stone wall, but it'd be really good at knocking into the battlements on top, and keeping the defending archer's heads down. Which is what they were used for :)
@@Pemmont107 And/or to launch huge stones _over_ the castle walls, as that boulder went pretty high in the air. Plenty of things that could happen with a huge boulder bouncing around inside of the courtyard of a castle. And/or I would suspect the outer walls would be made thicker and more sturdy than some of the walls on the inside, perhaps? Or if one of these boulders were to happen to catch a window or something, who knows.
It’s amazing how powerful a trebuchet is. A great peace of medieval engineering. I would much rather be the attacker, than having to defend against this.
Both sides have casualties. But technology, strategy and tactics usually turned the battles into slaughters. And months and months of waiting for them to run out of food, or poisoning the water. way simpler ways than just attacking a castle.
Those inside the fortifications also had devices. While the offensive side was setting up and loading the trebuchet, the defenders were sending missiles at them. Further, many of the wooden pallisades had earth packed behind them.
They're a waste of a unit slot. MAYBE I'll use a ballista, ribault or scorpion. And even then only if I can lock down the enemy formation, like a bridge battle. Otherwise you're better off throwing more men or arrows at them.
Genghis use this not to launch stones to damaging city walls or buildings. He use this to launch rotten dead bodies passed the walls to deliver disease to people inside the wall.
He was so excited. I felt his energy. He was reliving it that it had just happened back in the day. Pretty cool weapon, humans come a long way since then. Great video
Actually, the counterweight trebuchet seems to have been a European development. The man-powered traction trebuchet does, indeed, seem to have originated in China, and spread to Europe by the 6th century by way of the Persians or Avars. The counterweight trebuchet, however, seems to have developed in the west and spread east, not the other way around.
@@Duke_of_Lorraine What, the counterweight trebuchet or the traction trebuchet? Either way I'm not sure that's true. I know the traction trebuchet was originally Chinese, and I think the first recorded use of counterweight trebuchets is by Crusaders, but don't quote me on that one.
@@peterembranch5797 as a certain famous person once said, “I dont know what world war 3 will be fought with, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones” or atleast something to that effect 😋
I wonder who would hope for another outcome seeing how flimsy the palisade was... :-) It would take much more than one stone to break through a historically more accurate one, with a couple of layers, reinforced with dirt and stones from inside. I would love to see how effective the trebuchet was against such an obstacle. Yet, it was an impressive shot and camera work :-)
Imagine the first people to see one of these being set up: Castle guard 1: "What are those ponces building out there? Some kind of fake tree? Is there a Saint's Day we missed?" Castle guard 2: "Now they're pulling the fake tree down? Make up your minds, you twits!" Castle guard 1: "Now it popped back up again! Wait . . . what's that whistling sound?" *KER-WHACK!!!* Both: "WHAT THE ACTUAL F-"
When you consider the level of complexity it would have taken to build such an instrument of war it makes you wonder why other technological advancements in other fields didn’t occur?
It did occur. Just not right away. Trebuchet led to cannons, which led to better metalurgy which led to guns which led to the downfal of knight. And gunpowder led dynamite which led to more efficient mining which led to more resource and so on so forth. The trouble with today's western military is, I think, that the military isnt used to gain more resource or protect the border but was used to spend tax payers money to pay to military contractors.
Technological advancement was mostly slowed down due to the low food production. A big portion of the medieval population was in some way busy gathering farming etc; leaving less time for development. I believe, as food yields began to rise and big cities began to appear (mid to late period), then the knight slowly began to phase out. Local city militias kind of took over the roll. However, it would take many centuries for them to dissapear (16th - 17th century). They also had a social role though... Also, I wouldn't say the invention of the trebuchet (~400 BC) caused the invention of the cannon (12th - 13th century), it had more to do with the more common use of gunpowder. Knight breastplates were also quite effective against medieval (innacurate) guns. Last point, US military spending supports a big portion of the nation (jobs etc.). Many used technologies come from military research.
Bruh what are you talking about? All sorts of advancements were made in farming and irrigation techniques, disease prevention (mostly very late medieval but still happened), mathematics, modernized bureaucracy, and architectural design during that period. Not to mention how art and culture progressed throughout the medieval era. Plenty more happened in medieval Europe other than war war is just what gets talked about because it’s what caused a lot of changes
I guess people in the middle ages could build and engineer a trebuchet but not put reinforcing beams perpendicular to the palisade to give it any relative strength.
A stone taken from the siege in 1311 is used as the amunition
The stone: just like old times
@The Ol’ Babaganoush It's got PTSD - Post Trebuchet Stone Disorder.
Captain Price stone: whats the mission?
Aren't all stones from 4 billion years ago?
Stone says"Lets Rock"
you mean: just like in the simulations
Me walling up in feudal age while my enemy is in imperial age
A fellow aoe player I see!
Or you're just Goth
The AoE2 sounds of moving an age played in my head.🤣👍
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This guy can’t let go of his youthful days storming castles
I love his enthusiasm for the experiment, and in shedding light on what it must have been like so long ago :) Of course the enthusiasm is ramped up for the camera. I'd like to know how they calculated the distance and/or angle of release.
@@devnull5098 Math + Trial Error + Experience
@@troypollonais9143 ...and only showing the one that hit, and not the ten that missed.
@@mrfisher7532 I would imagine in an actual siege every single shot would hit though. It`s pretty hard to miss a castle when you can take your time. That thing is the size of a village.
He's from the BBC show Time Commanders, if you're interested in seeing more of him!
Cute how this old man turned into a kid again; running and shouting with all his friends because they threw a BIG rock 🪨
Always Heartwarming to see.
To be fair, its a really big rock
Even more enthusiastic than that crypto-racist macro-evolutionist British preacher in 'Strayliuh saying CRIKEY!
@Samuel Lux Having fun like him is funny but not wrong. I was told I was childish for having a Gojira poster in my room years ago, but I was like "I DO WHAT I WANT. I DON'T NEED TO FOLLOW THE CROWD. THAT WOULD MAKE ME WEAK-MINDED."
@@connordickerson6815 It's amazing that he would expose himself like that. It's so painfully obvious that he wishes he was so enthusiastic about something interesting. Oh well, I hope he has more content in his character than in his channel!
Plot twist: Guy runs down saying "Let's see what damage was done". Then hears sound of second projectile being launched.
haha
Guy runs down saying “Lets see what damage was done.” Then hears sound of him being launched as second projectile
Guy runs down to see what damage was done, gets filled with arrows from the castle.
"Fear... the city is rank with it. Let us ease their pain."
Release the prisoners!
It’s pain not passing
Haahahahahahaha.
Can get plenty heads some distance with them
Yaaaaaaassss
This guy's like the Steve Irwin of middle ages artillery.
Find the time commanders video he's going nuts over 2 handed axemen
CRIKEY! did you see the size of dat wrall??
:D
The team build this trebuchet. He just came to describe their triumph. I know, he is a pro. But here he just scooped a price.
And of a lot of Ancient and Medieval warfare stuff. Mike Loades is a true hero!
They didn't get the "Chemistry" tech from University
Someone has been playing Age of Empires 2
But probably “Siege Engineers,” with that accuracy
Warwulf more likely. I think Siege engineer only increases the range
The Japanes have the best trebuchet’s. They Build them in 2 sec with katapuroto
Tatars have +2 Siege range. ;)
That weak dark age palisade can never withstand my imperial age trebuchet
That palisade couldn't withstand an average person leaning against it. A group of children could tear that thing apart.
just here to remind you that you left some villagers idle...
best game ever! i still play it sometimes
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1:37 that sprint to see the damage is golden. Never have I seen a human so eagerly rush to see something that isn't going anywhere and requires no urgency haha.
Fun fact for those who dont know, Edward Longshanks built a massive one called War Wolf to use against the scots.
They surrendered when they saw it but Longshanks fired it anyway to see how cool it looked!
staygold ponyboy like when Trump dropped the MOAB in Afghanistan?
@@Itsallindica yeah they both had new big toys to play with but i honestly dont know if the terrorists had the option of surrender.
Did u just watch outlaw king? Lol
@@m33tballa No I honestly hadn't heared of it lol but I will now thank you! Looks cool
The guy spent 3 months building the War Wolf! Of course he wanted to fire it
Quarantine got us so bored we’re assembling Medieval war machines
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂❗
i built a little model one to put on a shelf few years ago. tried to make it look handmade but looks more child made ;)
Bet My Name Spooked You ....I can’t stop watching it , and thinking about my nosey neighbour 😆
I don't need quarantine or anything else to motivate me to build something like this! Just time and money :(
Fairly sure it was built long before corona
Narrator: A stone taken from the siege in 1311 is used as the amunition
Indiana Jones: That belongs in a museum!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 one of my fave movie series ever(Minus the last one lol).
Then destroys ancient building while trying to retrieve one item. Worst archeologist ever.
@@drewcliff82 there are only 3 movies
It´s not unusual to find ancient ammo near fortresses all around Europe. I refrained myself of taking a chunk of a cast iron mortar grenade, probably turk, I found near a venetian fortress at Crete...
Steve1989 - That belongs in my stomach!
Producer: "Ok mike, stand and stare at the trebuchet as if you're captivated"
Mike: *nails it*
If the only thing between the attackers and the defenders is that flimsy wall, they were in trouble before the battle began!
True; this is why from prehistory onwards most defensible places made use of ditches and other earthworks, in addition to walls (if any)..
But I don't think trebuchets would have been used against a palisade. They were for bringing down stone walls. It's like using a hammer as a fly swatter. I mean, who is building wooden palisades in the 12th century except as a temporary encampment? A trebuchet, which is built onsite during a siege, probably takes longer to build than the palisade fort it's attacking.
@@kilroy2517 not for taking down stone walls, but for firing over them. The walls would be too thick to br brought down by rocks so instead they sought to wear down the will of the people but its secondary role was to take down hastily built defenses.
@@kilroy2517 they were used against everything behind the wall and on wall, walls were to thich to be taken down just by not much fast rock
Not if you are in feudal age.
1:34 Don't try to make me believe this guy just runned across this entire field to the palissade
lol its great editing you can see him smiling sprinting off
@@ns7353 I know huh? 😅 I seriously thought he might have a heart attack!
Ran
@@deanmoncaster yes
Same as making us believe they hit it on the first try
1:29 Accurate representation of celebratory hug after every trebuchet shot in real medieval battles
Haha, I just imagine arrows flying down around them as they cheer.
Seeing people hug after spending almost half a year with the coronavirus makes me kinda uncomfortable...
kinda reminds me of the live action Asterix and Obelisk movie
@@blasty137 Then the PsyOp worked.
This is the funniest thing I have read in years
The treb sounds just like the one from Age of Empires II.
I just remembered "Bad neibhour" from AOE 2.
Nostalgia*
Definitive Edition to be exact.
Yeah, cuz they used a sound effect (i believe) instead of letting us hear the actual sound of the glorious beast...
I think they actually ripped the sound effect from Age.
Wish they could do this test against a proper stone wall (ie: correct thickness and construction of a section of a castle wall), would love to see the impact/damage it causes.
@8A Benaiah Dandel Aye.
@@zach3924 I mean man, no offense, but the actual big thing can fire like 10/20 times per day? Okay, imagine having 10 of those machines firing 10/20 times per day rocks of 100kg for a months... Your walls might be thick I understand, but eventually they will fall. Quoting (kinda) your own quote "people would have not built trebuchet (since they were hella expensive) if they did not work".
Trebuchets were incredibly effective, the problem was their price, the maintenance cost and the incredible amount of people needed to be fully operative. The fact that the majority of the armies of the time were made of mercenaries, that those complex machines needed a specialized crew and a lot of people to help them... The lack of even just one component (either the specialized crew, the resources or the manpower) made trebuchets useless, AND THAT was what made them ineffective, not the machine itself
@@laonch6073 No? It takes like a minute to reload it. ~50 times per hour is a realistic with an energetic crew. The most tiring and longest part is winching the thin end down into the launch position, but even that can be done by a group of people pulling a rope, one more to put the pin in once it's down, another guy to grab the basket and manually pull it under the treb (dangerous to start this before the treb is locked by the firing pin, but saves time). And perhaps one more dude at the front part of the trep to load the next rock into the basket as soon as the basket-pulling guy hands him the basket.
With enough crew perhaps even 2 shots per minute can be made
It was done. In the 90's there was a documentary where one crazy farmer built a trebuchet with girders, while another team recreated a "genuine" medieval wooden trebuchet by looking at old texts & manuscripts.
Although he was an experienced trebuchet builder the farmer dude's girder behemoth failed catastrophically after a couple of shots. The wooden, wheeled trebuchet the historians built was lethal. Once they'd dialled it in it was frighteningly accurate & made short work of the stone wall that had been built as their final target.
I see a lot of these videos that have the trebuchet anchored to the ground. A trebuchet needs to be on wheels for maximum efficiency. That was to an extent rediscovered in the documentary.
@@runlarryrun77 Is that doco on the internet? Do you have a title I can search for? I don't see how a trebuchet on wheels could be more efficient. I mean, the wheels would obviously be there to let it move... but if the trebuchet is moving, then some of the energy from the mechanism must be going into moving the trebuchet. Which means it's not going into moving the stone. It just doesn't seem possible for that to be more efficient due to the law of conservation of energy, so I'm really curious how that is beneficial. Something to do with adding more leverage, perhaps?
my youtube channel in 30 years
Besser gesagt: Spandau in 30 Jahren
Bei 1:33 sehe ich dich :D
@old rabidus Doesn't even make sense. Take your wacky politics somewhere else.
Stronghold cursader with graphics on ultra, VR edition, first person. Make it happen :D
Also dich hätte ich hier nicht erwartet😂
If there was ever a time to launch plague ridden bodies over castle walls.
*It’s now*
They really did that back then.
I think some did
The Undertaker I think the Mongols did that
Hahahaha love it...
Yep the black death spread west quicker because of the Mongols germ warfare.
*Me:* _I promise I won't launch a 95 kilogram stone projectile over 300 meters._
*3 drinks later*
1:00
Then the guy at 0:52 must be a Strongman
*Then me and the bois:* 1:29
They celebrate like they finally hit the palisade after 68 attempts.
Most probably it's kinda true
@@kagenekoUA yep
These things were less than accurate. So they probably needed so many tries
69 likes 69 attempts, you should change your name to Agent 69
It was the cases in real sieges. Many many attempts before hitting the wall you were supposed to...
I was very impressed by the distance the boulder was covering, then unimpressed by how seemingly little it did against the seemingly wimpy wood, then right back to impressed when I saw the expert run up next to it for scale
Same -- that wasn't some little birch trees, those were logs. A Treb knocking on your door is terrifying -- those rocks pounding on stone walls, hour after hour, from a range no weapon could retaliate at, could eventually break a castle. Eventually your battlements are full of holes, your wall is porous as a sponge, and your soldiers are terrified by the sound of falling rocks after one unlucky guy gets brained by one during breakfast.
Yep, those logs aren't wimpy. A boulder that splintered them would likely have gone through the masonry wall of a typical house. I honestly would want at least 2 yards of thickness for a stone wall that I was defending if the enemy was using these.
"wooden palisade", just some smol stickies in the ground
still cut the trunk in half though
Imagine knowing the weight of the stone ball and calculating the trajectory for such accuracy . Archaeologists and historians believe 50 men could go into a forest to cut wood for the trebuchet while iron was being forged for fittings and a trebuchet could be built in less than 2 days .
It is actually pretty easy, and (tip) you do not need to know the weight of the stome to calculate the trajectory, but just the inital release velocity.
In medieval times, they were not yet aware that Y = -1/2 x g x t² + vo x sin (alpha) x t and all of this, but by trying/retrying, you can easily figure out the stone distance and therefore be very very accurate.
Plus they had much larger targets, entire building's and castles wich roofs can be battered and made collapse.
@@jean-marc7999 all in all true, but to be fair, the release velocity is a function of the weight (heavier -> slower), as well as the inertia against aerodynamic drag (heavier -> less loss of speed resulting in more parabula shape like your eqation. A ping pong ball would not follow the parabula but lose speed and falling down shorter). But all stones should be of similar size thus have similar weights, so that these differences are really small and the experience can be gained.
@@Haniel93 I know, but thank you for your comment. All the point was to illustrate the fact that strictly speaking, the trajectory equation is indeed indepedent of the weight(y=-1/2 x g x t² + vo x sin(alpha) t), as well as the absolute distance : Dmax = vo² x sin(2 x alpha). But you are right of course : for a not ideal corps (big volume vs low weight), it will not hold :-) An interesting subject !
Take care of yourself and your family !
@@jean-marc7999 You're missing the point though. I'm order to calculate the trajectory in advance from the release velocity, they would need to first know the release velocity... which depends on the mass of the stone.
Your initial statement is sort of cherry picking, it's a bit like if you had said "they wouldn't need to know the mass or volume of a log to know whether it would float, only its density!" Right, and how did they get the density then?
The trebuchet is so mighty that it can launch 90 kg projectiles over 300 meters!
Mohammad Zaini psh. Missile so mighty it launch thousands of kg thousands of kilometers.
Robert Vigil except they didn’t have middle in the Middle Ages...
Truly, the superior siege weapon!
@@abuhajaar2533 *GATE Flashback*
@@stolenchris1374 if they did that era would have been called the Missil Ages
He sounds like one of those overly exuberant tv salespitch guys pushing the latest cooking gadget/scam.
Remind me with Flex Tape advertisement.
But that is not all. With separate shipping and handling, we will throw a second trebuchet in for free. (Stones are not included.)
Or Steve Irwin
A certain Canadian RV salesman comes to mind.
To be fair, he just threw a rock over an entire field an crushed thick palisade. His excitement is more believable than that of some scammer
I remember a short video years ago about a team building a trebuchet and getting poor performance from it. Upon reexamining the old images they were using as a model they noticed that it was mounted on wheels. This had been dismissed in their model. When it was incorporated into their design they experienced a very great improvement in performance. This introduced a back-and-forth movement into their catapult that was similar to the windup of a baseball pitcher. At least that's the way I understood it.
"Hey, du hast ja ein riesiges Grundstück! Was willst du damit machen? Weizen, Mais oder Raps anbauen?" - "Eigentlich nichts davon. Ich dachte mir, ich baue ein riesiges Katapult und schieße damit auf Holzwände." - "Okay, das macht natürlich Sinn." - Aber geil!
I swear I’m getting Age of Empires 2 vibe feeling from getting recommended this.
I'm pretty sure they're using the AoE2 sound effect at 0:59
COOGOO
Think of all the annoying neighbours you'd like to attack with this!😄
lol
There actually was a trebuchet called "Bad Neighbour"
"I purchased a catapult from the Renaissance Fair. I shot flaming volleys at the guy I owe money to and burnt down the entire neighborhood! The manufacturers will pay!"
@@RYD3R74 and it's arabian nemesis the "Bad Relation"
Like my ex one block away, she will never see it coming.
0:00 This video begins in error. The device depicted in this video, which indeed appeared in the 12th century, is the counterweight trebuchet. It's origin is Mediterranean. This video confuses this trebuchet with the mangonel ("traction trebuchet"), which is indeed of Asian origin as it first appeared in ancient China and was popularized across Eurasia in the 6th century. But that comparatively primative and unsophisticated weapon operates by multiple men pulling on ropes to launch the projectile with human power.
I was looking for this comment buried somewhere. Sorry, but nowadays Europeans have no history. Everything they ever "created" they stole from other cultures. White European people have no real history or culture, it's all from somewhere else. This is the modern narrative of Europe and its people. And if you attempt to deny it you're a "racist."
@UCHoEQPd_u4_oPlpPkKCJBfQ I don't really believe what I said was true, I was merely stating the woke narrative that has now infected European history along with everything else.
Well... Mediterranean in here means either Byzantines or the arabs where the first recorded use of trebs occured. Not the western European countries.
We never claim we asians created the roman catapults, scorpions, engineering or modern musketeers, arquebusiers, steam engines or tanks etc. It's just that not every discovery and innovation comes from Europe like you guys were taught. There were large and civilized Asian countries who were enjoying their golden age when europe was in it's dark age.
I agree, it was not Asia for the tebuchet.
You seem to know a lot, could you recommend a book on the subject?
"These matchsticks have just gone down like matchsticks!"
Exactly what I was thinking. 🤣
imagine my shock
That unbridled enthusiasm by Mr. Loades is awesome. This short video also very clearly explains how the trebuchet works. Again, awesome.
It would be bad, if your only asset was a wooden palisade.
It can also breach stone walls
Gabriel Griffon Nah. This isn’t a video game.
@@ProfX501 guy , catapults were made precisely for break wall z even if they were made of stone , but of course they wouldn't break it that easy, but it can
ProfX501 Video game or not, a siege engine could break through a stone wall. That’s the entire purpose they serve. It wouldn’t break it in one go, like the palisade, but if you had 5 or 6 launching rocks again and again for a week, you’d make it through. And even if you didn’t, imagine being a defender, trying to sleep through that noise, knowing an army is waiting outside, possibly moments away from breaking the wall and storming the city. You’d be scared, and low morale would make you want to surrender.
@@ProfX501 Tell that to the mongols :)
For those wondering if the trebuchet can break stone walls, the answer is YES. Definitely. Given enough hits. Sieges lasted a long time, and there would be many trebuchets built, constantly hurling massive rocks, some were 90kg in weight. The big trebuchet can throw such rocks to 300 meters, well beyond archer fire range. They were the ultimate siege weapon, until the cannons arrived, also from Asia.
but they were incredibly inaccurate like pretty much any medieval range weapon (and were probably the most inaccurate of them all). It's not like every stone would hit the wall and not like even every tenth stone would hit the wall. Besides, 90 kilos stones were exceptions, regular shots were usually much lighter.
The point of trebuchets was to NOT hit the walls anyways. They're meant to hit behind the walls
@@sephirothbahamut245 More like hit wherever, trebuchet sieges were medieval carpet bombing campaigns.
Gunpowder came from Asia. Cannons came from a Hungarian peasant
nah. not that little rock that he was holding to destroy a wooden palisade. for a stone wall, you need to age up your trebuchet. research mathematics/geometry. upgrade traction to counterweight. increase projectile weight to 90~100kg.
Or just bring bombards.
Is it just me, or does it look as though it hurled that stone over a stand of trees before contacting the palisade? I wish they would've provided some stats on it. How tall is the trebuchet? How much did the stone weigh? How far did the stone travel? How much altitude did the get? The palisade timber that was shattered looks to me to be about 8-10"in diameter. Pretty substantial.
The best I can do is a very rough estimate. The counter-weight box look to be about 5' tall. Compare that to the whole of the machine and the machine would be anywhere from 35'-40' tall with the arm in the vertical position. That's based on the perceived size of the box with someone in it and someone standing next to it on the ladder and someone close to it on the ground.
Prolly bout 90kg id say bout 300ft
@@GroovyAnthropomorph and what are you basing that off of? Besides the other comment that said exactly that
@@GroovyAnthropomorph Man, that seems high to me on the weight. Here's why I say that. In the video it shows the guy positioning the rock in the sling. He appears to move it with ease while at full stretch. Maybe he's inordinately strong, I don't know. But, 90kg(200lbs?) seems like too much, in my opinion. Is say closer to half that.
@@royrogers3624 it's a meme
1:26 Wooden Palisade: *just some thin stakes sticking out of the ground*
Yeah, what about some actual defences now?
Not too sure they were very far into ground either
@@testy462 Well, that is what we get when scientist want to prove a point of instead checking if it's true or not.
Seriously, let's see how even a simple stone wall will handle it.
@@mathieuboe9128 If you actually look closely, you can see the the logs are tipping as the camera cuts away, hence why they are further a part in the next shot.
To be fair, it took days of concentrated fire to do proper structural damage to a castle wall, and that would probably not be very impressive for their purposes. Not that this was either, but..
"Oh I guess that's pretty co-" *this guy walks up to the palisade and I finally realize the scale* "oh"
After they broke the wall and start screaming like an army
I’m thinking. The Only army I would invite in for tea
look at that old guy's reaction, twas like a lil kiddo who was so amazed about firing that medieval weapon.
boys will be boys 😂
Na imma boy dude overreacted for the video 🤣
Had to do it for the views
Clearly you guys are not familiar with Mike Loades, he's actually a total badass and extremely passionate about what he does (medieval weapons, fighting, horseback riding, archery, etc.)
90% of people watching this videos have played Age of Empires II.
90% of people on planet earth have played Age of Empires II.
Right you are govner!
Stronghold crusader
Maybe
Never heard of it...........................is that a new pinball machine?
You know that whoever got that stone ready for battle in the 12th century would love to see this.
"It takes a whole team to operate the medieval siege weapon"
Age of Empires challenges your authority.
1:58 really wished it would’ve turned the camera to show the team who fired the trebuchet charging and screaming at them
I would have liked to see the Warwolf in action
check out the netflix movie "Outlaw King" then.
he got the dump truck tho
@@ldxtr9050 *Glorious*
Watch outlaw king, or UA-cam “outlaw king siege”
That is some flimsy-assed palisade. Let's see how it works on masonry castle walls.
i was really curious at how it would do against stone walls. don't think it would be effective
@@forrestl5597 it would work, with time and enough stones, as long as the defenders didn't come out or reinforcements arrive
@@forrestl5597 It wouldn't break through a stone wall, but it'd be really good at knocking into the battlements on top, and keeping the defending archer's heads down. Which is what they were used for :)
@@Pemmont107 And/or to launch huge stones _over_ the castle walls, as that boulder went pretty high in the air. Plenty of things that could happen with a huge boulder bouncing around inside of the courtyard of a castle. And/or I would suspect the outer walls would be made thicker and more sturdy than some of the walls on the inside, perhaps? Or if one of these boulders were to happen to catch a window or something, who knows.
Yeah id also be curious how thatd handle a gate setup
That old guy can still run very well.
I was literally thinking I would like to watch a video with a trebuchet an hour before this video popped into my recommendations.
It’s amazing how powerful a trebuchet is. A great peace of medieval engineering. I would much rather be the attacker, than having to defend against this.
You would be the first to go through the breach ;)
It honestly I'll depend if you get through the front line
Both sides have casualties. But technology, strategy and tactics usually turned the battles into slaughters. And months and months of waiting for them to run out of food, or poisoning the water. way simpler ways than just attacking a castle.
Those inside the fortifications also had devices. While the offensive side was setting up and loading the trebuchet, the defenders were sending missiles at them. Further, many of the wooden pallisades had earth packed behind them.
Ivar Laupet I don’t think “peace” is what they had in mind.
"Dominates the battlefield"? More like the sieges. Large Trebuchets are terrible weapons for a medieval battlefield.
Age of empires 2 has taught me they only take a couple of seconds to deploy and can outrun a teutonic knight.
They're a waste of a unit slot. MAYBE I'll use a ballista, ribault or scorpion. And even then only if I can lock down the enemy formation, like a bridge battle. Otherwise you're better off throwing more men or arrows at them.
Genghis use this not to launch stones to damaging city walls or buildings. He use this to launch rotten dead bodies passed the walls to deliver disease to people inside the wall.
@@jaymiegg2681 That's the Siege of Kaffa/Caffa.
Genghis was already dead for a century at that point.
lol.
There's a treadmill version of it that the Islams developed and it's way bettet than in this vid. But it will take full 20 minutes to reload.
Imagine getting smacked in the face with one of those boulders
jonny p ... yeah savage .
No i don't want to see that thank you.
You wouldn't have a face left.
What face?
He was so excited. I felt his energy. He was reliving it that it had just happened back in the day. Pretty cool weapon, humans come a long way since then. Great video
This was genuinely awesome, and the ancient siege stone was a nice touch.
Kind of nice if they spoke about the range of the catapult...just sayin'
Google Earth says 125 meter or 410 feet.
Actually, the counterweight trebuchet seems to have been a European development. The man-powered traction trebuchet does, indeed, seem to have originated in China, and spread to Europe by the 6th century by way of the Persians or Avars.
The counterweight trebuchet, however, seems to have developed in the west and spread east, not the other way around.
Shhhh. Europe has no history and white Europeans invented nothing. It was all stolen from other cultures. Shhhhhh
@@drott150 That got to be the best pirate I've ever seen
The Eastern Roman Empire used it first
@@Duke_of_Lorraine What, the counterweight trebuchet or the traction trebuchet? Either way I'm not sure that's true. I know the traction trebuchet was originally Chinese, and I think the first recorded use of counterweight trebuchets is by Crusaders, but don't quote me on that one.
@@DavidEllis94 the counterweight trebuchet. Some sources credit Alexios Komnenos for its first use at the siege of Nicea, during the First Crusade.
Who couldn’t stop thinking about AoE?
That stone is a hardened veteran, they needed one with experience
any other stone would have missed
Fact: A documentary about medieval warfare without Mike Loades is no documentary about medieval warfare.
They did this just a stone's throw from where I used to live.
Whats that outside your window?
Ahahaha that pun. XD
XD
Lucky you moved ol’ Matey otherwise your fence was done for. The joys of ISO.🇦🇺
"A weapon from Asia is dominating the battlefield"
*_F L E X S E A L_*
😂😂😂😂
Amazing how accurate you can be with that thing. It looks more like you're gonna randomly hit somewhere withing a 1 kilometer radius.
Incredible technology. Loades' enthusiasm is great.
"You do not deserve any grace, but must surrender to my will." - King Edward I of England
Medieval 2: Total War be like:
The walls have fallen! Steel and valiant hearts must be our walls now!
-American Patriot- BEGONE. YOU ARE NOT MY LIEGE
I would pay money to watch them launch a dead cow.
"The walls are breached and the army is on it's way "
Srly? One shot?
"The opposing army will be on its way" *camera proceeds to pan on an empty grassland*
Use your imagination.
:"And the opposing army will be on it's way"
:Camera moves to a tree.
"ohh the army is the tree"
I think his words tore apart and shattered the fencing more than the stone
Him: Let’s go see what it’s done!
Rest of team: We’re good thanks
It's common to think of the Middle Ages as being a "primitive" time, but in reality it was quite an inventive period.
Inventive mostly in terms of warfare and torture :D
It was and age of re-discovery.....and it was primitive.
@@peterembranch5797 and to think, centuries from now, they might be watching videos from our time and call us “primitive”!
@@Björnvar Centuries from now - if there are any people left - they'll be making fires with flint.
@@peterembranch5797 as a certain famous person once said, “I dont know what world war 3 will be fought with, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones” or atleast something to that effect 😋
1:32 "It's harvesting season!"
Had me in stitches 🤣
Imagine hundreds of these fire a rock simultaneously towards your castle, it's raining stone and your castle is in ruins.
and now imagine 5 of these things in a row barraging your medieval city with rocks covered in burning oil, absolutely terrifying
B
The flames would go out when it was launched threw the sky
"it takes a whole team to operate" I think i see which one will be the ammo
Imagine being the poor sole who took a peak over the wall, just to be hit with that rock.
Ah yes, the well known siege of Lake [INAUDIBLE]
I love the enthusiasm and excitement in his voice xD
Other channels wouldve taken 15 minutes to show all this. Loved how concise this video is
I wonder who would hope for another outcome seeing how flimsy the palisade was... :-) It would take much more than one stone to break through a historically more accurate one, with a couple of layers, reinforced with dirt and stones from inside. I would love to see how effective the trebuchet was against such an obstacle. Yet, it was an impressive shot and camera work :-)
Thats the best FONT for me.
Trebuchet MS
1:56 Dramatic music , "the opposing army will be on its way" . Then camara turns and we expect a giant army approaching... but nothing
Very inclusive team there I see so many kinds of people were available to help
0:20 Yo, I believe that song in the background is from the Battlefield 4 OST called Propaganda. It sounds like they changed the pitch of course.
“here is the real damage”
lost brother of flex tape phil
The neighbors living next yard: "Not again"
Imagine the first people to see one of these being set up:
Castle guard 1: "What are those ponces building out there? Some kind of fake tree? Is there a Saint's Day we missed?"
Castle guard 2: "Now they're pulling the fake tree down? Make up your minds, you twits!"
Castle guard 1: "Now it popped back up again! Wait . . . what's that whistling sound?"
*KER-WHACK!!!*
Both: "WHAT THE ACTUAL F-"
thank you for not spending 10 minutes of boring stuff before launching!
That guy's excitement and passion is contagious. Now I want to build a Trebuchet and practice on my neighbor's house 6 blocks away.
In AOE, I would deploy hundreds of this and instantly destroys any castle.
You mean AOE2
When she says
"" I'm home alone""
Me 1:34
Me: 1:07
When you consider the level of complexity it would have taken to build such an instrument of war it makes you wonder why other technological advancements in other fields didn’t occur?
Others like you, in the future, will wonder the same thing about our culture.
Mostly it's because the rich and powerful wanted war.
It did occur. Just not right away.
Trebuchet led to cannons, which led to better metalurgy which led to guns which led to the downfal of knight.
And gunpowder led dynamite which led to more efficient mining which led to more resource and so on so forth.
The trouble with today's western military is, I think, that the military isnt used to gain more resource or protect the border but was used to spend tax payers money to pay to military contractors.
Technological advancement was mostly slowed down due to the low food production. A big portion of the medieval population was in some way busy gathering farming etc; leaving less time for development.
I believe, as food yields began to rise and big cities began to appear (mid to late period), then the knight slowly began to phase out. Local city militias kind of took over the roll. However, it would take many centuries for them to dissapear (16th - 17th century). They also had a social role though...
Also, I wouldn't say the invention of the trebuchet (~400 BC) caused the invention of the cannon (12th - 13th century), it had more to do with the more common use of gunpowder. Knight breastplates were also quite effective against medieval (innacurate) guns.
Last point, US military spending supports a big portion of the nation (jobs etc.). Many used technologies come from military research.
Bruh what are you talking about? All sorts of advancements were made in farming and irrigation techniques, disease prevention (mostly very late medieval but still happened), mathematics, modernized bureaucracy, and architectural design during that period. Not to mention how art and culture progressed throughout the medieval era. Plenty more happened in medieval Europe other than war war is just what gets talked about because it’s what caused a lot of changes
Because they actually did occur
Gun powder: what a lovely craftsmanship!
Trebuchet: left the conversation...
I thinks it so cute how excited they all get about this. A bunch of historians just hanging out, using old age siege weapons
So, they used a historical relic as live ammunition for some TV footage?
Och i was expecting the wee house at the start to get blown up 🥴
I guess people in the middle ages could build and engineer a trebuchet but not put reinforcing beams perpendicular to the palisade to give it any relative strength.
Probably the most ingenious weapons of the medieval times
You know how accurate it is when they celebrate a hit like winning a battle.