how the vehicle is driven matters alot. Some catch can applications are not good for the motor. Do your research folks. Not every force air motor needs or would benefit from a catch can.
Great info Justin, Just in time, I pick up my new Rebel 2500 with the 6.4L on the 13th of April and was wondering if I need a catch can. Got one on my 2021 SRT Jeep. Thanks again.
Ying Yang...guess it depends on performance or longevity...1 downside of removing this from entering intake and combustion chamber is that the rings , (especially the top one) does NOT get lubricated... Lowering m.p.g. and the compression level as well as which causes more blowby now. So point is by using catch can, it actually raises blowby a little....no biggie...it all depends on what you want to do with the blowby. Use it to lubricated piston at cost of intake and intake valves?...or ...catch can it,...and keep valves clean while lowering piston lubrication? (That's not even considering cat converter😂)
This can be very counter productive to the engine. Oil catch cans have been shown to pressurize the crank case, damaging gaskets and causing oil leaks 👍
My guess is the OEMs don't provide a catch can because the average owner would never empty it. It has to be recirculated because of EPA. All of this would be avoided if port injectors were used in parallel.
Can you please add a link for this particular cach can? I think this one looks more advanced than other cach cans i have been going through on amazon and I want somthing that has filter like the one you have Thank you,
Thats just condensation that would get burned in the engine anyways, catch cans dont prevent carbon buildup just change your oil every 3k miles. Catch cans are for old school race engines that blow oil out the valve cover breather at high rpm
Unfortunately, that's not true. What it is collecting is definitely not condensation, it's fuel/oil combined. Definitely not what you want in your intake.
@@HorsePowerObsessed Well thats what the catch can mfrs and distributors want you to believe. Fact is they only collect contaminated water (condensation), that would get burned off in your pcv lines anyways.
I went to the website that you linked for the catch cans. There are 2 kinds of TRX catch cans for sale. The "Ram TRX Mild" and The "Ram TRX Wild," What is the difference and which one did you buy for your TRX?
If something goes wrong with the motor, is it still under warranty with the catch can installed? Most dealerships will void your warranty with one installed food for thought.
They would have to prove that the catch can caused whatever fault with the engine. They can't just void warranty and move on there is a burden of proof on their side. Worst case? Remove the catch can before going to the dealership if you're worried about it.
Everybody seems to want to fight it instead of just doing it, if for no other reason, cheap insurance. Worst case scenario it doesn’t do anything but it’s there just in case.
I think the main reason they don’t install isn’t even an EPA thing. I mean think, oil not getting burnt is less emissions right? The main thing is people would have no clue they need to empty this or how to. And if they forget, it’s worse than not having one.
That is part of it but it's mainly EPA. It has nothing to do with oil getting burnt and everything to do with oil vapors being vented to the atmosphere.
Being that it is a Dodge, it won't last long anyway. Oil in the intake actually helps with lubrication. But what do I know? I'm only an auto technician who builds engines all the time.
Unfortunately, that oil isn't going to help with anything. It's going straight into the intake which will gum up the supercharger coolant bricks, making cooling less efficient and then after that it will bake onto the backside of the intake valves reducing horsepower output over time. There is literally nothing it can help lubricate at the point in which it is caught.
any tip draining oil from catch can? my car came with it. looks same as yours. do you keep your engine running while draining ? how do you actually drain it ? lol
I’ve seen videos of catch cans where it got some viscous oil that wouldn’t be drained with the method in the video, is there another way to drain the fluid with this catch can? Like opening it from top?
oil being in the catch can does not indicate that you need it. By this logic every car with a PCV needs one. If you have direct injection, installing a catch can is a good thing. if you have an indirect injection, you are basically wasting your money as the fuel hitting the valves clean them.
That's not entirely true. Fuel hitting the valves does not clean them completely so preventative measures like a catch can are still good practice. That oil in that particular line would end up in the supercharger hindering cooling ability and of course along with gumming up valves. It's easier to keep them clean than to clean them after the damage is done.
I know on my 392’s it’s a good idea. I would catch a half of a can every oil change. In a 392 it would over time coat the inside of the intake and could cause some drivability and consistency issues.
@@DadsGarageDIY @horsepower obsessed That is actually normal, getting oil to go through your Pcv system. Now whether it's actually beneficial or not. Well I would personally like to see data on if it would improve longevity of the engine or has benefits to horsepower. I have gone through thousands of vehicles in the last 13 years. I can't say that I have had any issues with a valve being clogged or restricted in an in-direct injection system that was functioning normally. I will admit that I have never worked on a hell cat engine. So there might be something there.
@@HorsePowerObsessed sorry see my other comment. Like to keep the conversation rolling. Every day is an opportunity to learn. The best way to learn is doing and the next best is conversation.
Yes port injection washes the valves but on any forced induction your gonna want a catch can. My turbo'ed frs throws alot into my mishimoto catch can and even with port injection that then switches to direct injection I definitely need it for boosting this engine for the full life of the car when it was designed to be NA
I have the same brand catch can set up on my TRX but the more I think about it the more I realize that the majority of the oil that comes out of the can would otherwise end up back in the crank case because that's how a factory PCV system works. If that much oil was building up inside of your intake manifold that quickly, you would definitely know.
Condensation builds up on everything that heats up and cools off. The condensation in your engine collects at the bottom of your oil pan. Not in that catch can. It’s evaporated once the engine warms up. The condensation that builds in the catch can doesn’t.
This begs the question as to why catch cans don't come from the factory. I suppose maybe it has something to do with EPA regs. Well done Justin.
Thank you, Peter! And you are correct, EPA is definitely the reason for not having these installed from factory.
And customers having to empty them. Imagine having to go back to the dealership for what Justin did in this video… lol
@primaljackal tbh it would benifit dealerships that charge way too much for simple things but yea it would be too tedious for regular customers
Some cars do come with them from the factory
No its because they can blow your rear main seal and cause engine failure. Do your research
I don’t have TRX but was contemplating if I should get one or not for 6mth old Pilot approaching 10k miles. I am convinced. 😂
Honestly, can't hurt!
I just threw one in my 6th Gen Camaro SS. Hoping it helps extend the lifespan. We gotta protect these V8s
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how the vehicle is driven matters alot. Some catch can applications are not good for the motor. Do your research folks. Not every force air motor needs or would benefit from a catch can.
Great info Justin, Just in time, I pick up my new Rebel 2500 with the 6.4L on the 13th of April and was wondering if I need a catch can. Got one on my 2021 SRT Jeep. Thanks again.
You’re very welcome! I try to put a catch can on all of my cars because if nothing else it’s cheap insurance.
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Ying Yang...guess it depends on performance or longevity...1 downside of removing this from entering intake and combustion chamber is that the rings , (especially the top one) does NOT get lubricated... Lowering m.p.g. and the compression level as well as which causes more blowby now. So point is by using catch can, it actually raises blowby a little....no biggie...it all depends on what you want to do with the blowby. Use it to lubricated piston at cost of intake and intake valves?...or ...catch can it,...and keep valves clean while lowering piston lubrication? (That's not even considering cat converter😂)
It can also create more crankcase pressure blowing your rear oil seal.
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Matthew Aucutt thread line here in comments is S TIER for learning reading these people going back amd forth
This can be very counter productive to the engine. Oil catch cans have been shown to pressurize the crank case, damaging gaskets and causing oil leaks 👍
Source?
Nice property. Class. 👏
My guess is the OEMs don't provide a catch can because the average owner would never empty it. It has to be recirculated because of EPA. All of this would be avoided if port injectors were used in parallel.
Can you please add a link for this particular cach can? I think this one looks more advanced than other cach cans i have been going through on amazon and I want somthing that has filter like the one you have
Thank you,
Even my SP 1320 has one on it.. Catches decent amounts...
Ok guys so the water in the oil is just from condensation build up of the cstch can 🙏
Thats just condensation that would get burned in the engine anyways, catch cans dont prevent carbon buildup just change your oil every 3k miles. Catch cans are for old school race engines that blow oil out the valve cover breather at high rpm
Unfortunately, that's not true. What it is collecting is definitely not condensation, it's fuel/oil combined. Definitely not what you want in your intake.
@@HorsePowerObsessed Well thats what the catch can mfrs and distributors want you to believe. Fact is they only collect contaminated water (condensation), that would get burned off in your pcv lines anyways.
Yeah but that’s not true. I have personally emptied this multiple times to find unburnt fuel and oil. Zero condensation actually…
The answer is: in a factory engineered system the answer is NO. Will likely screw something else up.
I disagree and so do the findings here. It is 100% something you want for longevity purposes.
I heard this isn’t needed on my Jeep Commander because of the Hemi motor but I wonder if it’s needed on a 6cylinder TRD.
Thanks for sharing.
In my experience, there is not a single car on this planet that doesn’t benefit from having a catch can.
I went to the website that you linked for the catch cans. There are 2 kinds of TRX catch cans for sale. The "Ram TRX Mild" and The "Ram TRX Wild," What is the difference and which one did you buy for your TRX?
Mild. The wild setup is for a 1000+ horsepower build.
@@HorsePowerObsessed thanks, much appreciated.
Just a mild 700 hp lol
Man that monster just barely fits there!!!😂
Oh yeah.. I want the sport lights to go on top of the RAM BAR but if I do that, it definitely won't fit under there anymore.
Whenever you decide to get rid of your ZR1 let let me have it that is my dream car
I don't plan on ever getting rid of it but everything is for sale for the right price!
We need to is uss if needed for Z06. Strangely the GT 500 has some system that does away with need.
If something goes wrong with the motor, is it still under warranty with the catch can installed? Most dealerships will void your warranty with one installed food for thought.
They would have to prove that the catch can caused whatever fault with the engine. They can't just void warranty and move on there is a burden of proof on their side. Worst case? Remove the catch can before going to the dealership if you're worried about it.
More than serious folks. If you plan on having a engine that last, you better install a catch can.
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@@HorsePowerObsessed They wont listen.
Everybody seems to want to fight it instead of just doing it, if for no other reason, cheap insurance. Worst case scenario it doesn’t do anything but it’s there just in case.
I think the main reason they don’t install isn’t even an EPA thing. I mean think, oil not getting burnt is less emissions right? The main thing is people would have no clue they need to empty this or how to. And if they forget, it’s worse than not having one.
That is part of it but it's mainly EPA. It has nothing to do with oil getting burnt and everything to do with oil vapors being vented to the atmosphere.
Being that it is a Dodge, it won't last long anyway. Oil in the intake actually helps with lubrication. But what do I know? I'm only an auto technician who builds engines all the time.
Unfortunately, that oil isn't going to help with anything. It's going straight into the intake which will gum up the supercharger coolant bricks, making cooling less efficient and then after that it will bake onto the backside of the intake valves reducing horsepower output over time. There is literally nothing it can help lubricate at the point in which it is caught.
The oil in the intake provides lubrication for the air flow and debris 😂
@@mengx94nigga what lol
Doesn't that breather/filter thingy cause a vacuum leak?
No. One way check valve to prevent air from being sucked in.
any tip draining oil from catch can? my car came with it. looks same as yours. do you keep your engine running while draining ? how do you actually drain it ? lol
There is a brass nipple at the bottom you have to turn to drain it. Do it while the vehicle is off.
Is there any kind of Mighty Mouse universal catch can for Nissan Sentra?
Is there a difference in the effect on the engine if the catch can filter is installed and removed?
Ideally, no. I haven't seen any difference.
Imagine all that oil that came out and stayed on the lifters😂😂
Hi does a LS 7 need a catch can ? Please let me know Thanks
Yes. I’ll be adding one to mine soon.
Quick question. If i install a catch can on a ecoboost. Do i need to the top filter of the catchcan.?
Why its not added from manufacturer engine company
Catch cans are better on boosted applications 🤝‼️cheers
Correct.
I’ve seen videos of catch cans where it got some viscous oil that wouldn’t be drained with the method in the video, is there another way to drain the fluid with this catch can? Like opening it from top?
Yes, you can open it like I did here and remove the material from the top portion to gain access to the whole can.
oil being in the catch can does not indicate that you need it. By this logic every car with a PCV needs one. If you have direct injection, installing a catch can is a good thing. if you have an indirect injection, you are basically wasting your money as the fuel hitting the valves clean them.
That's not entirely true. Fuel hitting the valves does not clean them completely so preventative measures like a catch can are still good practice. That oil in that particular line would end up in the supercharger hindering cooling ability and of course along with gumming up valves. It's easier to keep them clean than to clean them after the damage is done.
I know on my 392’s it’s a good idea. I would catch a half of a can every oil change. In a 392 it would over time coat the inside of the intake and could cause some drivability and consistency issues.
@@DadsGarageDIY @horsepower obsessed That is actually normal, getting oil to go through your Pcv system. Now whether it's actually beneficial or not. Well I would personally like to see data on if it would improve longevity of the engine or has benefits to horsepower. I have gone through thousands of vehicles in the last 13 years. I can't say that I have had any issues with a valve being clogged or restricted in an in-direct injection system that was functioning normally. I will admit that I have never worked on a hell cat engine. So there might be something there.
@@HorsePowerObsessed sorry see my other comment. Like to keep the conversation rolling. Every day is an opportunity to learn. The best way to learn is doing and the next best is conversation.
Yes port injection washes the valves but on any forced induction your gonna want a catch can. My turbo'ed frs throws alot into my mishimoto catch can and even with port injection that then switches to direct injection I definitely need it for boosting this engine for the full life of the car when it was designed to be NA
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I have the same brand catch can set up on my TRX but the more I think about it the more I realize that the majority of the oil that comes out of the can would otherwise end up back in the crank case because that's how a factory PCV system works. If that much oil was building up inside of your intake manifold that quickly, you would definitely know.
these would come factory if the manufacturers thought the owners would make sure to empty them... whichnis y they dont cone factory..lol
Actually, it’s the EPA that makes it not come stock.
Condensation builds up on everything that heats up and cools off. The condensation in your engine collects at the bottom of your oil pan. Not in that catch can. It’s evaporated once the engine warms up. The condensation that builds in the catch can doesn’t.
True but condensation isn't all that is caught in here. There's a lot of oil that would have made its way back through.
If it is a ford, it needs all the upgrades you can get so at least can last a couple of years 😂
Did you get the an or oem quick connect?
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I just ordered one I went ahead and got the oem quick connect will that work as good?
I watched you’re install video as well I seen some quick connects in the box I didn’t know for sure
@@HorsePowerObsessedafter watching your video again I definitely noticed quick connects used.
I'm sorry, I misunderstood what you were asking. They are OEM quick connects for the OEM side of things.
I was once told, catch cans on a daily driven car is bad and can cause engine damage? Just wondering whats your opinion on this? Thanks!
100% untrue. There’s no way this could cause any issues at all.
Your oil catch can caught oil!? So weird!
According to the people who don’t think this is needed, yes, it is pretty weird.
hey mate theres a reason why engineers did not put that catch can and they did not recommend it
is this for the V8 only?
They make the catch can for all models out there. You can send him an email to ask which one would be specific to your model.
Catch Can was my nickname when I played Pop Warner football. ( fumble a few important plays & the team gives you a new name)
This is why I don't buy Dodge. Toyota don't have oil
every car out there can benefit from a catch can.
These can blow your rear main seal
Not a chance. THESE are the reason WHY your main seal WOULDN'T blow. It vents crankcase pressure that would otherwise push out seals.