Had one in my navara for about a year , im amazed at how well this works my intercooler is bone dry , no oil build up in the intake , great product ☆☆☆☆☆
Hi, i am from Indonesia. I've been using Provent 200 for 2 of my car Fortuner 2016 and Terra 2019. I am very happy with this product. My intercooler is clean. My turbo is clean, even intake is also clean. Great product. It's a must for your all diesel engine.
Exactly. You still get dry soot caked on I have a pro-vent fitted and intake cleaned. After 40,000 still had the intake cleaned again. Still allot of dry soot clogging everything up.
Exactly. You still get dry soot caked on I have a pro-vent fitted and intake cleaned. After 40,000 still had the intake cleaned again. Still allot of dry soot clogging everything up.
Exactly. You still get dry soot caked on I have a pro-vent fitted and intake cleaned. After 40,000 still had the intake cleaned again. Still allot of dry soot clogging everything up.
if you were impressed with old grey saying how good egrs are you much think servicing your air filter means throwing a hand full of dirt in your air filter is going to make it run better because that's what he is saying you restrict airflow in a diesel it runs hotter no cooler diesels like air flow and cool air not hot exhaust gas with you think they have intercooler for to warm it up or something what old grey in video is doing is preaching lies to conform to emissions laws not help your diesel engine
This is 100% my point why Chemical cleans are no good for an engine, all that built up crud gets forced through all the area's you pointed out. Cost more for a mechanical removal and clean but all that crap goes in the bin and not through your engine. Catch can can only do there job if fitted from near new, There great, but for a slightly older rig the mechanical clean must come first then fit the can. Now let the money making chemical cleaning guys unleash and tell me where they recon the crap goes if not through the engine, Thanks for your video Murray in Redcliffe QLD.
Very informative video - thank you. I recently fitted a Provent to my Audi SQ5 V6 biTDI after doing a full intake manifold clean. I had to custom make the kit as no one caters for this vehicle despite how many of them are on the road.
True. Oil alone make first cylinder run hotter. Combustion will burn carbon. Problem is oil mixing with soot delivered by EGR. It creates oily sooty mess, which blocks anything and stick everywhere in intake. Madness. EGR should be destroyed.
If it's so important to install a catch can on engines with an EGR, why don't they come stock? The EGR on my Ford Everest failed after 135,000km and cooked the engine for a $25k repair bill. EGR is the worst addition to diesel engines sine their inception
@@maxxfx4767 because EURO V and VI emissions which manufacturers abide by in order to sell their vehicles into Europe do not take into account countries that do not see snow. Further more, you can drive for 5 hours in any direction and pass through 2 or 3 countries. In Australia, 5 hours drive would not even get me anywhere near my states capital city. Engines for Euro specs are only designed for short start\stop....not long distance driving. hence why aftermarket addons are needed on vehicles that meet Euro specs but are sold in countries outside of Europe. My town hits a maximum of 42 degrees celsius and roughly 5 degrees celsius in winter. 5 degrees C in winter only happens once every 3 years, usually our average is 13 - 15 degrees Celcius for the winter months. Engines in Europe rarely get to operating temperature before they are shut down and the driver reaches their destination.
Interesting vid but also opposite to what my mechanic has told me with the D40. He says egr block is the way to go and I don't need a catch can after that as the oil will burn off properly not mixing with the exaust gas. He also said the opposite with fuel consumption as everyone they have done the egr block on has reported better fuel consumption and performance. Be nice to get some consistent answers
I am a mechanic and I agree,block the egr then the oil vapour won't mix with exhaust gas and won't gum up.Tiny amounts of oil in the intake is fine,will just burn up.The downside is you won't be supporting commercials such as this
@@renbenism My intercooler was literally dripping with oil after 5000ks. The oil mist is harmful to the turbo that it passes through and coats the intercooler so it doesn't work nearly as well and it coats the inside of the inlet where the extreme cylinder heat will bake the crud on, even without the addition of EGR. The crankcase blowby fumes are not pure clean oil - the collection of trapped fumes that comes out of my Provent is disgusting black oil. I remind readers that 50% of mechanics are below average, and I remind readers of the oft publicised videos that trap "mechanics" ripping customers off. Message is don't trust a mechanic because he says he's a mechanic. Think logically. Fit a catch can or sell your vehicle before 100,000-150,000ks.
Over 300000km on my patrol with out a problem and 17yrs trade experience being a diesel mechanic I guess I know very little on the subject,might fit a hi clone aswell.thanks for the enlightenment👍
@@renbenism Mann-Hummel has 75 years of experience and is a massive company. Yet you claim to know better. I know who knows more about catch cans and their benefits.
The explanation of how EGR "saves" your engine by de-stressing it is pretty much a politically correct discourse. Yes it reduces NOx emissions, but NO it doesn't give an engine better economy or longevity. To cruise at a certain speed requires a certain amount of energy from the fuel - if you reduce fuel and O2 by filling half the chamber with inert gas you reduce the power output and hence the vehicle will slow down until you press the accelerator further to add more fuel again. Your economy actually gets worse. I've had a Provent on my Patrol since 5000k from new, and the inlet was already saturated with oil - dripped out of the intercooler when I took it off to wash it out. The Provent is indeed an elite quality catch can/oil separator.
Not sure if the guy knows how diesels operate vs gas. If the ECU is actually reducing fuel, your right foot will be compensating. Give me all the oxygen and all the temperature, the NOx can be treated in other ways.
exactly. The engine breathing in soot is just destructive to its internals.........and less oxygen thanks to EGR works against all the progress in turbocharging and intercoolers to increase oxygen density. Talk about politically correct bull manure.
270,000 km on my common rail diesel, intake is fine, completely standard. Injectors are still running strong too. Don’t always believe the hype, especially when it comes to you from 4wd Action.
Thanks for the upload. My patrol just out of warranty and I finally convinced myself to block EGR......now I'm confused again....Ha ha. Definately getting a catch can.
Andrew Munson leave it blocked!!!! If u have an engine light on drill a small hole in ya blanking plate so it gets a little signal to fix ya engine light. 👊🏻.
34 years as a heavy plant mechanic all I got to say is the egr and dpf is just a load of political eco bull get rid of it your engine will thank you for it,
Yep. I have seen oil change intervals go down and fuel economy go up when these systems are deleted. Youre right, this stuff just doesnt make any sense at all. The part about the engine living longer made me laugh.
@ferkemall exactly! Its been proven that the person who started it here in the US was a fraud and blew all the statistics way out of proportion. But the gov is making so much money off it they'll never let us go back.
Makes sense to me. Let it breathe fresh air and diesel and blow all the crap out the soot pipe. I do hate diesel though. They make me feel instantly sick and I smoke cigarettes all day. If people were a bit considerate and didn’t go rolling coal everywhere to race up to the red light in front of them it wouldn’t be an issue. Or leave their old diesel running for five minutes parked in front of cafe on Sunday morning while everyone is having breakfast. They’ve jumped at these laws to make more money because of the idiocy of a few. Don’t get me started! Isuzu trucks used to go forever ♾. Not with dpf and egr systems they won’t.
0:47 Lots of blockage and performance loss after just 2,500 kilometers?! Give me a break! Surely if that were the case by the time the vehicle hit 100,000 kilometers it wouldn't run at all, or the owner would have spent $40,000-80,000+ in repairs to fix it.
The oil in intake is not as big as issue everyone makes it out to be, its the exhaust gases that sticks to the oil that carbons intakes up. It's just another "service " item to there list for manufactures
michael george same reason why some manufacturers are stretching out oil service intervals to 15k -25k or up to 1-2 years between services. They don’t want the engines to last, In other words.. More money in selling new cars than keeping old ones running around.
I absolutely love how you guys post the full trips on you youtube channel. I watch the full videos from start to finish even when they are over an hour
Incorrect! The problem is the EGR soot. You need to reduce that by a blanking plate, generally a 7mm to 8mm hole blanking plate will significantly reduce build up. You have butterfly valves and the valves that need lubrication from vented engine gas. Diesel use to get this lubrication before direct injection. Now diesel is directly injected it bypass the additional lubrication diesal inlets need. Reduce EGR soot and leave the oil, the oil will act as a cleaner and remove the reduced soot. Taking away the lubrication the soot will still cake your inlet. Reduce EGR and keep engine gas recirculation. It's minimal oil! Have you ever check your oil and noticed it dropping? No! If your worried about intercooler reducing its cooling efficiency, pull it off every service and high pressure clean it out. It's only 4bolts and 2 hose clamps. Again it's not blanking it reducing EGR by 90% it still gets through just slower
This is a good point everyone may have missed if it's true but what you are saying is that the swirl-flaps fitted in the inlet manifold need lubrication from the blow-by oil?
I wonder how a variation on the old "Kleinig" water injector from the 1950's would go, perhaps feeding a fine spray of say Kerosine occasionally into the inlet manifold, to "wash" the valves would go?
Schmidt Head Spearfishing yeah it is crazy but it becomes something the owner has to monitor and maintain and that adds an element of human error which they don’t want.
@@callumwhite1501 to me its no different to checking fluid levels or having your car serviced, theres always going to be people touching the car after after it leaves the factory.
Just make sure when you take your brand new car in for its regular service that you remove the catch can like i do. I heard from very reputable source (they work for Toyota) that if a catchcan is spotted on the service they void your engine warranty on the spot. So i just remove and give it a clean prior to service. Then after i pickup my Prado its back in place in roughly 20mins
Blanking off EGR, Toyota D4D and turbo going on 400,000kms. Thermal stress? Maybe I should use less right foot. Trouble with the police? Yeah well mote security less freedom. If a catch can fixes this defect, it is a defect, then this should be a class action law suit against manufacturers and a catch can should be standard fitment on diesels
@@1989cranston just logic. If an engine is almost destroyed in 100,000kms then it's an issue for the manufacturers. If they are approving catch cans, they can have them fitted when new
Still no reason Joe Public should foot the bill. Unless, for reasons I cant fathom, one likes taking responsibility for problems not their own and paying for it
Great video. Probably the best catch can/filter system and video I have seen. If they ever develop one for the U.S. market and especially the gas engines in the U.S. market they have a potential for a huge market. I will be first in line to get one! I have a gas V-8 engine and haven’t put a catch can on for the very reason you stated. They aren’t very effective but I am at the point where what I can get is better than doing nothing... Like I said the U.S. is a huge untapped potential market. Ron
I did an egr delete and have lower egts and gained 30% increase in fuel mileage calculated by the tank increase in fuel mileage = increase in efficiency
I AM A HUGE FAN OF 4WD ACTION GREAT VIDEOS THANK YOU GUYS! The Manufactures now build cars like throw away cigarette lighters due to fact most of the engines are no good unless you mod them cough cough, they have DPF fitted creating higher engine temperature due to the restriction in the exhaust an EGR that recirculates all the dirty final emission output especially when they are not closing correctly causing smoke less mpg and higher nox! ohhhh and mr Mann filter man..........an egr recirculates the hot exhaust gas so this make the burn temp higher not lower !! I do like the catch can though its good that the crank case oil is not been allowed to enter the combustion process
I've read the opposite, that since the exhaust gas that recirculates is always losing heat after combustion, the EGR allows _cooler_ temperatures in the cylinders, _not_ higher. This makes more sense logically than what you said "makes the burn temp higher."
So the egr lets less oxygen into my cylinder therefore my engine burns less fuel. Never have I heard someone say you to restrict oxygen and fuel. Wouldn't putting a plastic bag over my intake have the same effect without the extremely hot exhaust gas being reintroduce into my cylinder?
So...one good question....WHY do manufacturers not pre-install a Huge Catch Can.....its not like this is not a known issue and that skirting the simple installation of a catcha can will save money..... epxlain?
So your putting burnt oil back through the pistons cycle, so it lowers diesel consumption and pressurises the crank case! Why not just have hho run back through? (because the o2 sensor sensors fuel and supplies the right amount of diesel). Then you can catch 100% of the oil, it would still lower fuel consumption and be 100% better for environment and the engine, and the oil discard process might be higher but a lot easier and the whole system works better all round?? 💁🏼♂️ Can an egr sensor be deleted from ecu ? And can it “sense” Hydrogen as a fuel or be changed to do so??
Hi Rainer, I fitted a Provent to my New Pajero, from what I got out of your great video, you recomend not to blank off the EGR and I assume this mean by plate or lectrically using a EGR delete harness,,,, EGR DELETE KIT - MITSUBISH 3.2L ENGINE (PAJERO 2017 ONWARDS) many makes on the market. could you clarify please catch can only recomended or also use EGR delete cable? thanks heaps, great video.
agreed I have a 1995 troopy, no turbo, no electronic gizmos and 480,000 km with no major problems. There is far less pollution caused by being able to repair a reliable and capable vehicle than constructing a new one.... Vehicle manufacturers and governments are more interested in the economy than the environment.
I had a look at a EGR system with a catch can. It still had plenty of carbon deposits. It may well slow the deposits down as it catches the oil and the soot has less ability to stick to the EGR components and the inlet manifold, but I wonder if the small amount of oil that gets through without a catch can, helps to lubricate any deposits that make their way into the cylinders? Essentially, is the grit post catch can more abrasive as a result of the oil removal?
It appears to me that it is long overdue that car companies should be fitting these from the first build ... OH !! sorry .. that means their vehicles would last longer and do them out of money. Good presentation
The catch can is somewhat not a very dependable solution since the oil vapour from the blowby gases makes the soot from the EGR stick on the inlet assembly instead of it going directly into the combustion chamber where it can be abrasive to the cylinder walls and piston rings. Just clean the intake assembly after 80,000 kms you'll be fine. Instead of prematurely wearing out the cylinder walls and piston rings which is more expensive than cleaning the just cleaning the intake.
I have heard this argument before, but I believe it has an obvious flaw to it. If the exhaust gasses are abrasive to valves, cylinder walls and rings then consider that these components are exposed to exhaust gasses constantly while the engine is running. The only engine cycles with little to no exhaust gasses present (EGR gasses present in the cylinder) are intake and compression. I tend to believe it's far preferable to avoid choking the inlet with a soot and oil mixture.
Catch can helps like 5..10%, the EGR gases is the main issue, I got a catch can and it catchs some oil, but that does not eliminate the soot on the intake and EGR valve as the gas from the EGR has sooo much oil on it, diesel engines are designed for long time running, I had an mwn diesel bus that ran everyday from 4:30am till 12:30 every day from Mon-Sat, 2 drivers and it has never any issue because it was always driven like pedal to the metal, hard working lot of hours 400k in 5 year, urban drive 14km each trip, probably 15..18 each day
If all I need is a catch can.... why does the egr valve block up in the first place? when the egr is straight from the exhaust, before any oil vapour comes into contact with the system from your crank case vent??
All diesels from the last 30 years have had the oil vapour fed back through the intake. The egr is the main culprit. Block that fucker off and happy days!
Hi I have recently had a catch can installed about a month ago all I have had is abit of water come out when I drain it. It's been opened up and has a build up of grease around the rim of the catch can. Do you know if this is a problem for me in the near future? Is it doing its job?
Interesting. But. It isn't the oil vapour that builds up - it is the soot from the EGR that builds up. Stopping the oil vapour (while good) just prevents the accumulated soot from becoming wet and sludgy. If there was no EGR soot (illegal to block, bypass, or remove the EGR), then the oil vapour would just pass through the motor and not accumulate in the intake (might make it oily but that is about all). I would like to see the internal condition of intake system after 20,000 or 100,000 so kms with the catch can stopping the oil vapour - I'm betting there will still be a carbon build-up, but it will be dryish rather than wet.
You are almost right buddy, but I guess that the PCV can actually cause carbon buildup on the engine even without EGR. Maybe less, but I don't know as most of my cars or the experience I own with cars mostly are turbo diesels. As I can understand, for example GDI engines can have this kind of problem even if they don't have equipped an EGR system. I'm not sure if I'm wrong but that's what I actually found. Regards.
I ve seen some people installed 2 Catch Can for a better result. Why not most of the racing cars in the circuit have 4 Catch Cans installed to get a maximum performance.
Don't get scammed by adding a catch can.. the oil is important part of lubrication and cleaning process comes down to poor maintenance, irregular oil changes and worn injections.. this is only a band aid patch job, look deeper into the real issues
Catch can is the modern engine fix snake oils!! It could severely damage the engine when it fails, and like so many other engine parts, they will fail and the cost to repair the engine will run into thousands of dollars.
block the egr in MOST diesels with them in my opinion. It's really only certain engines that NEED it blocked. i.e i would block it on a ZD30 nissan patrol engine but not on a hilux 3L engine.
Because it does more harm than good. Hence why multi-billion dollar vehicle manufacturers don't include it. They know more about their own engines then these diesel specilast who just want you to buy there products. You want that oil in your intake to capture the carbon soot coming through your egr so it doesn't wear down your valve seats
@@thedescriptions6646 if that was the case, why isnt this a problem for the exhaust valve seats which cop the soot 100% of the time? Also, is there any data available on heavily soot impregnated oil and its lubricity?
Ive just installed one on my Diesel 2.8 intercooler Jeep. 08 wrangler done 200k. Those L shaped joiners concern me!? Surely they will make the breather return tubes squirt like a water blaster jet? This was a kit with all of the bits and pieces of pipes and L shaped [internal] connectors etc... This is going to annoy me until I change those small L shaped joining internal corner pipes out.
So the engine tolerates the temperature when you press the pedal, then the EGR is turned off, but it cannot cope with the temperature when you are cruising at low revs?
Guys I need some help here. I have a 2015 Mazda Atenza AWD twin turbo 2.2L diesel and I just cleaned my EGR and Manifold. Which of these catch cans will work for me?
i have fitted a provent to every diesel I've ever owned, currently have 2. Still makes you wonder why theses aren't fitted standard as new from the manufacture??
Careful with your factory warranty if fitting catch can to new vehicle... peanuts @ Toyota service centre told me the warranty would be voided if I put my catch can on my new Hilux. I said - warranty voided by in-line filter?? Why?? They said - "after-market modification, automatic void of warranty". What tools. Anyway have to wait 3 years before fitting now...
Because they still have to vent the pressure from the crankcase somewhere and the only legal place to vent the pressure is back into the intake. Effective filtering is at odds with relieving the pressure from the crankcase. A filter that catches every last bit of oil will be too restrictive to prevent pressure building in the crank case. That's why most aftermarket catch cans vent to atmosphere because it completely solves the dirty intake issue and they don't care if some oily vapours make it to the atmosphere - they are however illegal. A complicated catch can also adds extra cost to producing and servicing the vehicle and every dollar is important if you're in the business of selling and servicing vehicles.
TMM if you watch closely the catch can only catches the oil and the blow by pressure still goes into the intake. So I can see why he said why don't manufactures do this from the get go.
@@lukepaul2882 yes, so it does not completely solve the problem. Less oil will make it to the intake but there will still be some oily vapours vented into the intake and the crankcase pressure will be higher as a result of the restriction that the can makes. Whether or not this is enough improvement that it is worth doing and doesn't cause negative effects I couldn't tell you.
A piece of the picture nobody seems to mention is the answer to your specific question. The answer is because if the oil catch can is not maintained properly, this can cause more damage to the engine than not having an oil catch can in the first place. As some people mention, many people do not regularly service their vehicles properly or enough. This introduces a very real problem and concern for the manufacturer to deal with. In addition, unless the vehicle is Direct Injection, the issues created by not having a catch can are typically not an issue until after the car is out of the warranty period. In the case of Direct Injection vehicles, some manufacturers are utilizing other methods to stem a part of this problem (typically carbon build-up on the valves in particular).
Thanks for the replies TMM and stephen commando. These sound like valid reasons why a manufacturer might not fit one, even though they are beneficial. Just trying to disentangle the marketing from the facts in this video.
Mate I would lick the return hose after 100k use. You sir need to experience a mann provent 200. Np300 nav 11000km fitted on first day of ownership. 375ml of blow by + what was absorbed in media filter
@@brettheath3182 dude I don't own a plastic fantastic 4wd lol I have a 1HD-T 4.2L cruiser.....you can keep you r modern 4b. When you have clicked over a half a million ks talk to me
Actually no they don't oh you have a handful that do it but they are prohibited from traveling through or into certain states due to their deleting emissions equipment and if they get caught they get put out of service and hit with big fines.
Hence I've removed the EGR from my car to save it's engine. F the climate change brigade. It clogged my intake so much, it almost destroyed the engine. Less than half a 5 cent piece.
Assuming its a common rail, if you're mechanically minded, pull the intake manifold, soak in degreaser, clean properly and reinstall with a catch can and you'll notice a power difference for sure. Make sure you get the workshop manual for your vehicle.
Well this is interesting product didn't know it exist. But does the installing of catch can ruin the guarantee of a new car? And can it be mounted in diesel hatchback not just big 4x4
Easy way is to ask vehicle manufacturers service department. Yes will need custom kit for hoses. Don't buy a fake provent get German made mann hummel provent 200
Great video and very well explained the problem. Do I get trouble if I install this ProVent Germany? Do I need it get checked by TÜV? I’m worried about losing my insurance.
Had one in my navara for about a year , im amazed at how well this works my intercooler is bone dry , no oil build up in the intake , great product ☆☆☆☆☆
What year make navara you have ?
Hi, i am from Indonesia. I've been using Provent 200 for 2 of my car Fortuner 2016 and Terra 2019. I am very happy with this product. My intercooler is clean. My turbo is clean, even intake is also clean.
Great product. It's a must for your all diesel engine.
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How much oil can a catch can catch, if a catch can can catch oil?
Up to 98% apparently.
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@Siciliano 600ml in 17,000k
Amazing. I wonder how many people completely missed how clever this is? [applauds & throws rose].
This is gold. 😂😂😂😂 Legend
It would be nice if you did a video looking inside a inlet manifold after using a catch can for 100k. just to prove it works!
nobody will because they don't work
You Tuber Musing Greg did a video showing that it works to a certain degree, but far from as good as a lot of people would make out
Exactly. You still get dry soot caked on I have a pro-vent fitted and intake cleaned. After 40,000 still had the intake cleaned again. Still allot of dry soot clogging everything up.
Exactly. You still get dry soot caked on I have a pro-vent fitted and intake cleaned. After 40,000 still had the intake cleaned again. Still allot of dry soot clogging everything up.
Exactly. You still get dry soot caked on I have a pro-vent fitted and intake cleaned. After 40,000 still had the intake cleaned again. Still allot of dry soot clogging everything up.
Great video! Finally someone who knows what they are talking about re EGR systems! Well done, thanks 4WD Action. Keep up the great work!
if you were impressed with old grey saying how good egrs are you much think servicing your air filter means throwing a hand full of dirt in your air filter is going to make it run better because that's what he is saying you restrict airflow in a diesel it runs hotter no cooler diesels like air flow and cool air not hot exhaust gas with you think they have intercooler for to warm it up or something what old grey in video is doing is preaching lies to conform to emissions laws not help your diesel engine
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@@carlmenzel8744 100% you're right, but to get your point across a little better, you should consider the use of some full stops and commas.
@@bumndrass hahaha exactly
When doing something ‘illegal’ is good for your engine
This is 100% my point why Chemical cleans are no good for an engine, all that built up crud gets forced through all the area's you pointed out.
Cost more for a mechanical removal and clean but all that crap goes in the bin and not through your engine.
Catch can can only do there job if fitted from near new, There great, but for a slightly older rig the mechanical clean must come first then fit the can.
Now let the money making chemical cleaning guys unleash and tell me where they recon the crap goes if not through the engine,
Thanks for your video
Murray in Redcliffe QLD.
Very informative video - thank you. I recently fitted a Provent to my Audi SQ5 V6 biTDI after doing a full intake manifold clean. I had to custom make the kit as no one caters for this vehicle despite how many of them are on the road.
most important mod is an EGR blanking plate.
True. Oil alone make first cylinder run hotter. Combustion will burn carbon.
Problem is oil mixing with soot delivered by EGR. It creates oily sooty mess, which blocks anything and stick everywhere in intake. Madness. EGR should be destroyed.
Do you have to perform a remap when you blank the egr?
@@trinidads1874 no can just egr plate. Some models u can just maf sensor bypass like dmax
If it's so important to install a catch can on engines with an EGR, why don't they come stock? The EGR on my Ford Everest failed after 135,000km and cooked the engine for a $25k repair bill. EGR is the worst addition to diesel engines sine their inception
@@maxxfx4767 because EURO V and VI emissions which manufacturers abide by in order to sell their vehicles into Europe do not take into account countries that do not see snow. Further more, you can drive for 5 hours in any direction and pass through 2 or 3 countries. In Australia, 5 hours drive would not even get me anywhere near my states capital city. Engines for Euro specs are only designed for short start\stop....not long distance driving. hence why aftermarket addons are needed on vehicles that meet Euro specs but are sold in countries outside of Europe. My town hits a maximum of 42 degrees celsius and roughly 5 degrees celsius in winter. 5 degrees C in winter only happens once every 3 years, usually our average is 13 - 15 degrees Celcius for the winter months. Engines in Europe rarely get to operating temperature before they are shut down and the driver reaches their destination.
Finally all those thoughts on egr blanking has been answered. Thank you! I'll be getting a catch can soon.
Interesting vid but also opposite to what my mechanic has told me with the D40. He says egr block is the way to go and I don't need a catch can after that as the oil will burn off properly not mixing with the exaust gas.
He also said the opposite with fuel consumption as everyone they have done the egr block on has reported better fuel consumption and performance.
Be nice to get some consistent answers
Change your mechanic. He's an idiot.
I am a mechanic and I agree,block the egr then the oil vapour won't mix with exhaust gas and won't gum up.Tiny amounts of oil in the intake is fine,will just burn up.The downside is you won't be supporting commercials such as this
@@renbenism My intercooler was literally dripping with oil after 5000ks. The oil mist is harmful to the turbo that it passes through and coats the intercooler so it doesn't work nearly as well and it coats the inside of the inlet where the extreme cylinder heat will bake the crud on, even without the addition of EGR. The crankcase blowby fumes are not pure clean oil - the collection of trapped fumes that comes out of my Provent is disgusting black oil. I remind readers that 50% of mechanics are below average, and I remind readers of the oft publicised videos that trap "mechanics" ripping customers off. Message is don't trust a mechanic because he says he's a mechanic. Think logically. Fit a catch can or sell your vehicle before 100,000-150,000ks.
Over 300000km on my patrol with out a problem and 17yrs trade experience being a diesel mechanic I guess I know very little on the subject,might fit a hi clone aswell.thanks for the enlightenment👍
@@renbenism Mann-Hummel has 75 years of experience and is a massive company. Yet you claim to know better. I know who knows more about catch cans and their benefits.
The explanation of how EGR "saves" your engine by de-stressing it is pretty much a politically correct discourse.
Yes it reduces NOx emissions, but NO it doesn't give an engine better economy or longevity. To cruise at a certain speed requires a certain amount of energy from the fuel - if you reduce fuel and O2 by filling half the chamber with inert gas you reduce the power output and hence the vehicle will slow down until you press the accelerator further to add more fuel again. Your economy actually gets worse.
I've had a Provent on my Patrol since 5000k from new, and the inlet was already saturated with oil - dripped out of the intercooler when I took it off to wash it out. The Provent is indeed an elite quality catch can/oil separator.
Not sure if the guy knows how diesels operate vs gas. If the ECU is actually reducing fuel, your right foot will be compensating. Give me all the oxygen and all the temperature, the NOx can be treated in other ways.
exactly. The engine breathing in soot is just destructive to its internals.........and less oxygen thanks to EGR works against all the progress in turbocharging and intercoolers to increase oxygen density. Talk about politically correct bull manure.
270,000 km on my common rail diesel, intake is fine, completely standard. Injectors are still running strong too. Don’t always believe the hype, especially when it comes to you from 4wd Action.
350,000 on mine ,no issues.was going to install one but saw Auto expert report and decided otherwise
Change oil often.
@@jamesmcmillan2656 can i please have a link?
I tried looking for it but he has so many vids, i cant find it.
Love that answer.
Thanks for the upload. My patrol just out of warranty and I finally convinced myself to block EGR......now I'm confused again....Ha ha. Definately getting a catch can.
Andrew Munson leave it blocked!!!! If u have an engine light on drill a small hole in ya blanking plate so it gets a little signal to fix ya engine light. 👊🏻.
@Kelly Petty if u can afford it… 👊🏻. No diesels for me just fix em… 🤣
@Kelly Petty ha ha ha......I ended up tuning it out and a remap......but the old patrols been gone for over a year now.
The best video I've seen on why to get a catch can
34 years as a heavy plant mechanic all I got to say is the egr and dpf is just a load of political eco bull get rid of it your engine will thank you for it,
Yep. I have seen oil change intervals go down and fuel economy go up when these systems are deleted. Youre right, this stuff just doesnt make any sense at all. The part about the engine living longer made me laugh.
@ferkemall exactly! Its been proven that the person who started it here in the US was a fraud and blew all the statistics way out of proportion. But the gov is making so much money off it they'll never let us go back.
Makes sense to me. Let it breathe fresh air and diesel and blow all the crap out the soot pipe. I do hate diesel though. They make me feel instantly sick and I smoke cigarettes all day. If people were a bit considerate and didn’t go rolling coal everywhere to race up to the red light in front of them it wouldn’t be an issue. Or leave their old diesel running for five minutes parked in front of cafe on Sunday morning while everyone is having breakfast. They’ve jumped at these laws to make more money because of the idiocy of a few. Don’t get me started! Isuzu trucks used to go forever ♾. Not with dpf and egr systems they won’t.
Diesel fumes I meant to say
yeah same story with lead petrol. don't care about other people's health and the environment.
Having an EGR is like forcing your car to eat its own shit.
You’d lose weight and digest your food more efficiently though.
0:47 Lots of blockage and performance loss after just 2,500 kilometers?! Give me a break! Surely if that were the case by the time the vehicle hit 100,000 kilometers it wouldn't run at all, or the owner would have spent $40,000-80,000+ in repairs to fix it.
If this is such a problem why don't manufacturers put this in as standard?.
michael george cause they get more money out of an engine that is designed to fail. More work = more $$
I'd say these days engines are designed to last until warranty ends then they shit the bed
The oil in intake is not as big as issue everyone makes it out to be, its the exhaust gases that sticks to the oil that carbons intakes up. It's just another "service " item to there list for manufactures
I was wondering the same thing. Will be interested to see the answer.
michael george same reason why some manufacturers are stretching out oil service intervals to 15k -25k or up to 1-2 years between services. They don’t want the engines to last, In other words.. More money in selling new cars than keeping old ones running around.
I absolutely love how you guys post the full trips on you youtube channel. I watch the full videos from start to finish even when they are over an hour
Incorrect! The problem is the EGR soot. You need to reduce that by a blanking plate, generally a 7mm to 8mm hole blanking plate will significantly reduce build up. You have butterfly valves and the valves that need lubrication from vented engine gas. Diesel use to get this lubrication before direct injection. Now diesel is directly injected it bypass the additional lubrication diesal inlets need. Reduce EGR soot and leave the oil, the oil will act as a cleaner and remove the reduced soot. Taking away the lubrication the soot will still cake your inlet. Reduce EGR and keep engine gas recirculation. It's minimal oil! Have you ever check your oil and noticed it dropping? No! If your worried about intercooler reducing its cooling efficiency, pull it off every service and high pressure clean it out. It's only 4bolts and 2 hose clamps. Again it's not blanking it reducing EGR by 90% it still gets through just slower
This is a good point everyone may have missed if it's true but what you are saying is that the swirl-flaps fitted in the inlet manifold need lubrication from the blow-by oil?
I wonder how a variation on the old "Kleinig" water injector from the 1950's would go, perhaps feeding a fine spray of say Kerosine occasionally into the inlet manifold, to "wash" the valves would go?
It blows me away that what seems to be a simple and relatively cheap fix is not just done by the engineers and vehicle manufacturers as standard.
Schmidt Head Spearfishing yeah it is crazy but it becomes something the owner has to monitor and maintain and that adds an element of human error which they don’t want.
@@callumwhite1501 to me its no different to checking fluid levels or having your car serviced, theres always going to be people touching the car after after it leaves the factory.
I agree but there’s a large amount of people who struggle to keep service intervals or even topping up there washer fluid.
@@callumwhite1501 haha yeah thats very true!
Just make sure when you take your brand new car in for its regular service that you remove the catch can like i do. I heard from very reputable source (they work for Toyota) that if a catchcan is spotted on the service they void your engine warranty on the spot. So i just remove and give it a clean prior to service. Then after i pickup my Prado its back in place in roughly 20mins
Blanking off EGR, Toyota D4D and turbo going on 400,000kms. Thermal stress? Maybe I should use less right foot. Trouble with the police? Yeah well mote security less freedom. If a catch can fixes this defect, it is a defect, then this should be a class action law suit against manufacturers and a catch can should be standard fitment on diesels
You sound like the conspiracy theorist type.
@@1989cranston just logic. If an engine is almost destroyed in 100,000kms then it's an issue for the manufacturers. If they are approving catch cans, they can have them fitted when new
It’s not the manufacturer fault, it’s forced on them by emission laws...
Still no reason Joe Public should foot the bill. Unless, for reasons I cant fathom, one likes taking responsibility for problems not their own and paying for it
@@King88_8 The reality is that Joe Public pays for EVERYTHING in the end.
Great video. Probably the best catch can/filter system and video I have seen. If they ever develop one for the U.S. market and especially the gas engines in the U.S. market they have a potential for a huge market. I will be first in line to get one! I have a gas V-8 engine and haven’t put a catch can on for the very reason you stated. They aren’t very effective but I am at the point where what I can get is better than doing nothing...
Like I said the U.S. is a huge untapped potential market.
Ron
I’m in the US and have a Provent on my truck. You can just buy one.
If I install the catch can, do I need to clean up anything in-line of the can. ie; clean out the system of which it protects?
I did an egr delete and have lower egts and gained 30% increase in fuel mileage calculated by the tank increase in fuel mileage = increase in efficiency
Mario here i have dually duramax 3500 maybe my egr need to be deleted
120 liters only do 500k
@@mirkamarioguillen4835 if you decide to do it guarantee you will not be disappointed
@@trxcummins7388 tnx
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The Manufactures now build cars like throw away cigarette lighters due to fact most of the engines are no good unless you mod them cough cough, they have DPF fitted creating higher engine temperature due to the restriction in the exhaust an EGR that recirculates all the dirty final emission output especially when they are not closing correctly causing smoke less mpg and higher nox! ohhhh and mr Mann filter man..........an egr recirculates the hot exhaust gas so this make the burn temp higher not lower !!
I do like the catch can though its good that the crank case oil is not been allowed to enter the combustion process
I've read the opposite, that since the exhaust gas that recirculates is always losing heat after combustion, the EGR allows _cooler_ temperatures in the cylinders, _not_ higher. This makes more sense logically than what you said "makes the burn temp higher."
If you already have build in the intake ,does it go away after fitting one of these? Or do you need to have it cleaned out first?
This doesn’t stop the egr cooler from failing and pumping all ur engine coolant out ur Exhaust or you could replace it every year
Speaking of " *catch cans* " ... time to sit down with a cold one :P Thanks for the vid's lads!
???
So the egr lets less oxygen into my cylinder therefore my engine burns less fuel. Never have I heard someone say you to restrict oxygen and fuel. Wouldn't putting a plastic bag over my intake have the same effect without the extremely hot exhaust gas being reintroduce into my cylinder?
Egr blanking plate job done
Yea but your intercooler still get coated with oil when you block the egr valve.
When a German engineer says "I have something to tell you" ... you sit up straight and listen!
Like the VW fake tests!
So...one good question....WHY do manufacturers not pre-install a Huge Catch Can.....its not like this is not a known issue and that skirting the simple installation of a catcha can will save money..... epxlain?
Can I just vent the catch can to atmosphere instead of rerouting it to intake manifold ?
If the EGR been deleted/blocked. Will the catch can still work?
So your putting burnt oil back through the pistons cycle, so it lowers diesel consumption and pressurises the crank case!
Why not just have hho run back through? (because the o2 sensor sensors fuel and supplies the right amount of diesel). Then you can catch 100% of the oil, it would still lower fuel consumption and be 100% better for environment and the engine, and the oil discard process might be higher but a lot easier and the whole system works better all round?? 💁🏼♂️
Can an egr sensor be deleted from ecu ? And can it “sense” Hydrogen as a fuel or be changed to do so??
my BT50 2015 has done 107,000 k - should I get a catch can? or too late?
Hi Rainer, I fitted a Provent to my New Pajero, from what I got out of your great video, you recomend not to blank off the EGR and I assume this mean by plate or lectrically using a EGR delete harness,,,, EGR DELETE KIT - MITSUBISH 3.2L ENGINE (PAJERO 2017 ONWARDS) many makes on the market. could you clarify please catch can only recomended or also use EGR delete cable? thanks heaps, great video.
If EGR is good for engine then why some people blank it they says that it lesser the engine life whats ur opinion on it....
Landcruser 200 series in my country comes without egr from the factory. Do I need to install a catch can in this case?
Save your car. Block the EGR. That’s my motto.
It doesn't stop oil from your pcv valve. As he said - all you need is a catch can.
Send it straight to the chassis rail
My 1995 Land Rover Defender 300tdi.
Egr No
Computer No.
332,600kms.
No Problems of this sort ever.
agreed I have a 1995 troopy, no turbo, no electronic gizmos and 480,000 km with no major problems. There is far less pollution caused by being able to repair a reliable and capable vehicle than constructing a new one.... Vehicle manufacturers and governments are more interested in the economy than the environment.
I had a look at a EGR system with a catch can. It still had plenty of carbon deposits. It may well slow the deposits down as it catches the oil and the soot has less ability to stick to the EGR components and the inlet manifold, but I wonder if the small amount of oil that gets through without a catch can, helps to lubricate any deposits that make their way into the cylinders? Essentially, is the grit post catch can more abrasive as a result of the oil removal?
@Charles Martell did you just watch this video at all.
It appears to me that it is long overdue that car companies should be fitting these from the first build ... OH !! sorry .. that means their vehicles would last longer and do them out of money.
Good presentation
The catch can is somewhat not a very dependable solution since the oil vapour from the blowby gases makes the soot from the EGR stick on the inlet assembly instead of it going directly into the combustion chamber where it can be abrasive to the cylinder walls and piston rings. Just clean the intake assembly after 80,000 kms you'll be fine. Instead of prematurely wearing out the cylinder walls and piston rings which is more expensive than cleaning the just cleaning the intake.
I have heard this argument before, but I believe it has an obvious flaw to it.
If the exhaust gasses are abrasive to valves, cylinder walls and rings then consider that these components are exposed to exhaust gasses constantly while the engine is running. The only engine cycles with little to no exhaust gasses present (EGR gasses present in the cylinder) are intake and compression.
I tend to believe it's far preferable to avoid choking the inlet with a soot and oil mixture.
He is referring to the soot being abrasive, not the gases @@pauldarlington5589
Best video of catch cans period! Thanks!
Catch can helps like 5..10%, the EGR gases is the main issue, I got a catch can and it catchs some oil, but that does not eliminate the soot on the intake and EGR valve as the gas from the EGR has sooo much oil on it, diesel engines are designed for long time running, I had an mwn diesel bus that ran everyday from 4:30am till 12:30 every day from Mon-Sat, 2 drivers and it has never any issue because it was always driven like pedal to the metal, hard working lot of hours 400k in 5 year, urban drive 14km each trip, probably 15..18 each day
If all I need is a catch can.... why does the egr valve block up in the first place? when the egr is straight from the exhaust, before any oil vapour comes into contact with the system from your crank case vent??
Why all 4wd truck manufacturer not install that catch can at the 1st place if it really matter to the engine performance?
All diesels from the last 30 years have had the oil vapour fed back through the intake. The egr is the main culprit. Block that fucker off and happy days!
Hi I have recently had a catch can installed about a month ago all I have had is abit of water come out when I drain it. It's been opened up and has a build up of grease around the rim of the catch can. Do you know if this is a problem for me in the near future? Is it doing its job?
Got a pajero sport, I love it. But recently the DPF service light turns on, and my local mechanic cant fix...please help me~
Great explanation, thanks. Does fitting a catch can affect new car warranty in my case 2022, Toyota 79 series V8 ?
Interesting. But. It isn't the oil vapour that builds up - it is the soot from the EGR that builds up. Stopping the oil vapour (while good) just prevents the accumulated soot from becoming wet and sludgy. If there was no EGR soot (illegal to block, bypass, or remove the EGR), then the oil vapour would just pass through the motor and not accumulate in the intake (might make it oily but that is about all). I would like to see the internal condition of intake system after 20,000 or 100,000 so kms with the catch can stopping the oil vapour - I'm betting there will still be a carbon build-up, but it will be dryish rather than wet.
You are almost right buddy, but I guess that the PCV can actually cause carbon buildup on the engine even without EGR.
Maybe less, but I don't know as most of my cars or the experience I own with cars mostly are turbo diesels.
As I can understand, for example GDI engines can have this kind of problem even if they don't have equipped an EGR system.
I'm not sure if I'm wrong but that's what I actually found.
Regards.
Whats the best way to clean it without stripping the engine before installing a provent?
An EGR is one of the worst things put on a Diesel engine.
I ve seen some people installed 2 Catch Can for a better result. Why not most of the racing cars in the circuit have 4 Catch Cans installed to get a maximum performance.
Don't get scammed by adding a catch can.. the oil is important part of lubrication and cleaning process comes down to poor maintenance, irregular oil changes and worn injections.. this is only a band aid patch job, look deeper into the real issues
Catch can is the modern engine fix snake oils!! It could severely damage the engine when it fails, and like so many other engine parts, they will fail and the cost to repair the engine will run into thousands of dollars.
block the egr in MOST diesels with them in my opinion. It's really only certain engines that NEED it blocked. i.e i would block it on a ZD30 nissan patrol engine but not on a hilux 3L engine.
This couldn't be further from the truth, the 3l d4d engines are the ones that the egr blank the most
No worries with my HJ45 H motor... It could use a catch can to stop it venting out into the environment. Chassis rail likes it apparently!
So the EGR doesn't engage at full power and at full temperature but its suppose to reduce engine temperature........riiiight..
I can't tell if they're saying EGRs are a good thing because they have to or actually believe they are.
I am surprised manufacturers don't include oil catch cans!
Because it does more harm than good. Hence why multi-billion dollar vehicle manufacturers don't include it. They know more about their own engines then these diesel specilast who just want you to buy there products. You want that oil in your intake to capture the carbon soot coming through your egr so it doesn't wear down your valve seats
@@thedescriptions6646 if that was the case, why isnt this a problem for the exhaust valve seats which cop the soot 100% of the time?
Also, is there any data available on heavily soot impregnated oil and its lubricity?
Ive just installed one on my Diesel 2.8 intercooler Jeep. 08 wrangler done 200k.
Those L shaped joiners concern me!?
Surely they will make the breather return tubes squirt like a water blaster jet?
This was a kit with all of the bits and pieces of pipes and L shaped [internal] connectors etc...
This is going to annoy me until I change those small L shaped joining internal corner pipes out.
Where do we get the 1-inch to 3/4 hose reducer? Thanks for a great video,.
So the engine tolerates the temperature when you press the pedal, then the EGR is turned off, but it cannot cope with the temperature when you are cruising at low revs?
Never been a big fan of compression ignition.(diesel) .Next one i buy will be a Y62. Albiet with a bit more fuel use .
Direct injection petrol engines have the exact same problem ad diesels. There ya go.
Guys I need some help here. I have a 2015 Mazda Atenza AWD twin turbo 2.2L diesel and I just cleaned my EGR and Manifold. Which of these catch cans will work for me?
And change oil regularly helps 😃
i have fitted a provent to every diesel I've ever owned, currently have 2. Still makes you wonder why theses aren't fitted standard as new from the manufacture??
it will cost more but won't be a point to sell higher price because 99% of buyers don't know it
Can these catch cans be fitted to a 300 tdi defender ??
A diesel engine doesn't need an EGR to run perfectly
Delete the emissions you dont like eating your own crap neither does your diesel.
Those were the answers to my questions
Thanks a lot
Cars never use to be this way , but the environmentalists insist on it.
10:47 this man staring into our souls o.o
Would this benefit gasoline trucks rather than diesel?
Careful with your factory warranty if fitting catch can to new vehicle... peanuts @ Toyota service centre told me the warranty would be voided if I put my catch can on my new Hilux. I said - warranty voided by in-line filter?? Why?? They said - "after-market modification, automatic void of warranty". What tools. Anyway have to wait 3 years before fitting now...
Catch can severely damage your engine!! Toyota was kind of enough to warn you about not installing the catch can.
Why dont manufacturers include catch cans from new?
Because they still have to vent the pressure from the crankcase somewhere and the only legal place to vent the pressure is back into the intake. Effective filtering is at odds with relieving the pressure from the crankcase. A filter that catches every last bit of oil will be too restrictive to prevent pressure building in the crank case.
That's why most aftermarket catch cans vent to atmosphere because it completely solves the dirty intake issue and they don't care if some oily vapours make it to the atmosphere - they are however illegal.
A complicated catch can also adds extra cost to producing and servicing the vehicle and every dollar is important if you're in the business of selling and servicing vehicles.
TMM if you watch closely the catch can only catches the oil and the blow by pressure still goes into the intake. So I can see why he said why don't manufactures do this from the get go.
@@lukepaul2882 yes, so it does not completely solve the problem. Less oil will make it to the intake but there will still be some oily vapours vented into the intake and the crankcase pressure will be higher as a result of the restriction that the can makes. Whether or not this is enough improvement that it is worth doing and doesn't cause negative effects I couldn't tell you.
A piece of the picture nobody seems to mention is the answer to your specific question. The answer is because if the oil catch can is not maintained properly, this can cause more damage to the engine than not having an oil catch can in the first place. As some people mention, many people do not regularly service their vehicles properly or enough. This introduces a very real problem and concern for the manufacturer to deal with. In addition, unless the vehicle is Direct Injection, the issues created by not having a catch can are typically not an issue until after the car is out of the warranty period. In the case of Direct Injection vehicles, some manufacturers are utilizing other methods to stem a part of this problem (typically carbon build-up on the valves in particular).
Thanks for the replies TMM and stephen commando. These sound like valid reasons why a manufacturer might not fit one, even though they are beneficial. Just trying to disentangle the marketing from the facts in this video.
What would happen if you did an egr blockoff and installed a catch can?
Doesn't stop all oil though even the best catch can's. But ob
viously reducing the bulk of it will make a big difference
Mate I would lick the return hose after 100k use. You sir need to experience a mann provent 200. Np300 nav 11000km fitted on first day of ownership. 375ml of blow by + what was absorbed in media filter
@@brettheath3182 dude I don't own a plastic fantastic 4wd lol I have a 1HD-T 4.2L cruiser.....you can keep you r modern 4b. When you have clicked over a half a million ks talk to me
Gezz the droplets coming out of my 4gj2 are about 1mil to 2mils in size. That paper filter would last a week
Will adding a catch can void my warranty on a new isuzu
Egr delete !! They do it in big rigs !!!!
Actually no they don't oh you have a handful that do it but they are prohibited from traveling through or into certain states due to their deleting emissions equipment and if they get caught they get put out of service and hit with big fines.
Ram Ecodiesel people do it all the time 🤷🏼♂️
@@ramecodiesel8271 we do egr and dpf deletes all the time on trucks/semis/tractors at the shop i work at
I have a 1994 70 series with a 1KZ-T engine. I guess i don't have to worry aboit this
Would this happen on a 2010 Subaru diesel
Catch cans don't help this situation lol it just makes the soot dry making it harder to clean.
EGR block is the way to go
Less soot builds up when there is no oil
It would be good if you lot wouldn't think that a plastic container doesn't cost $ hundreds and think its gold plated.
Hence I've removed the EGR from my car to save it's engine. F the climate change brigade. It clogged my intake so much, it almost destroyed the engine. Less than half a 5 cent piece.
What I dont understand is why is the crank case overpressure fed back after the catch-can into the motor and not just off into the air...?
Is there any point if my car has 250 000 km or is it to late?
Just bought my first diesel..
Is it worth installing a catch can on a motor with 260 000 K,s.. ??
Assuming its a common rail, if you're mechanically minded, pull the intake manifold, soak in degreaser, clean properly and reinstall with a catch can and you'll notice a power difference for sure. Make sure you get the workshop manual for your vehicle.
Is this catch can you're talking about is the same as the oil and water separator? PCV valve?
Well this is interesting product didn't know it exist. But does the installing of catch can ruin the guarantee of a new car? And can it be mounted in diesel hatchback not just big 4x4
Easy way is to ask vehicle manufacturers service department. Yes will need custom kit for hoses. Don't buy a fake provent get German made mann hummel provent 200
Where / who do we get this brand off ?
Why did Toyota not design the engine with a catchcan? Or upgraded it?
Great video and very well explained the problem. Do I get trouble if I install this ProVent Germany? Do I need it get checked by TÜV?
I’m worried about losing my insurance.
Very informative....intriguing video
How does the catch can affect your new vehicle warranty and why does the new vehicle not come standard with one fitted?