We compare $1000 Wiawis limbs to WNS Premium limbs $180. We shoot through a chrono to compare speed and we compare the draw of both limbs. www.archeryshop.com.au
Enjoyed your video. Just upgraded my Hoyt 840 Carbon limbs with a set of Wiawis-NS carbon limbs. They look beautiful and shoot well. Since I'm 60 yrs old, I don't know how many good yrs I have left so I'm going to enjoy my Olympic Recurve passion.
As an intermediate archer from the UK, I can honestly say that my starter wood/fibreglass SF Axiom limbs were loud and hard to draw. My Petron wood/carbons are smooth and easy to hold, despite having a higher draw weight. It was like a night and day difference.
true, ive but SF Axiom 70/38 and Hoyt 900cx 68/40, SF make me pain at shoulder muscles, but hoyt not make it, really gone. And not a question why i can hold 5-10 second full draw with my hoyt.
Mr Joe Average archer will probably never reach the standard where the limitations of the cheaper limbs will show. If you like what you are using, you will shoot better with it.
@@RichardBragg when I posted my comment... When I said cheaper limbs.. I wasn't talking about the super cheap 'club bow' limbs. Mr average archer doesn't use the nasty no name club limbs.
Currently I use limbs from Mybo. Budget limbs at £65 compared to their carbon limbs for £200 maybe when I reach my optimum poundage I might decide to splash out on the more expensive. I can imagine it's with most things. The more you spend the higher the quality. But for the level I'm at. I'll stick with the "budget" limbs.
@@chrish6734 to be honest with Covid, archery clubs were shut down and I haven't been able use my bow for over a year. I still used the Mybo Limbs on my Mybo Elite, but I bought a RCX Black, the complete kit shortly after and used that as my main bow. Could tell the difference in quality but not as forgiving when you make a mistake.
The cheaper Limbs sounded louder, and almost rattely. There was definitely another sound, a vibration or rattle. If I heard it at the local range I'd assume you had screw in tips and they were lose. It was that kind of sound.
Try doing a more valid comparison cheap carbon vs expensive carbon. Glass is heavier so will shoot a little slower than carbon fibre ..... Don't blame the wood .. My wiawis one wood core are as fast trough the chrono as yours . ps wood cores are NOT more likely to twist ! or vary with weather .. apart from anything else they are encpasulated in epoxy resin and lacquer! Ask Border Archery they make wood and carbon core and they perform within 2 fps and the difference is purely weight of the limb . Some of us prefer the draw and feel of wood core .. and 2 fps is neither here nor there
Also loved the fact that you said........looks play a big part in archery........hate to admit it but let's face it everybody loves to stand on the line with a super cool lookin bow..........of course looks don't make it shoot better but ........it is cool ☺
Hi Steven, I have been shooting since the 1970s off and on, and have always had good equipment, Starting in the 1980s with a Yamaha, then moving to a Greenhorn, and a Stylist, I now have a WNS elite alpha and due to serious medical issues, I can only shoot 20lbs! I am hoping to restore my strength, so until I get to the level I am happy with, I will stick to the premium limbs! Then when I get there I will reward myself with that beautiful Fivics EX! For all the bows I have had, I have never noticed any shooting difference other than with wood limbs, when the light goes down, you have to click the sight down!
Thanks - I have changed diet about 5 months ago. Dropped weight, I am off Asthma medication, I still have a long way to go to learn about health. Tomorrow I am trying Fasting. I dropped 2-3" from my waist.
I have to make a point here. You compare limbs that have been shot in over two years, to brand new out of the box limbs, that have NOT been shot in. You do make a fine point that the difference in speed is next to none, leaving the conclusion (for me at least), that you get very little, for the last 850 dollars.
Isn't the draw feel difference coming from the difference in core? Every foam core Limb I've tried has had that solid feel from the beginning, whilst the wood cores have that gradual build up. Might be interesting to test high end wood for limbs and see if they follow this trend
From what I've read that, expensive limbs are just more linear in terms of draw weight and don't stack. So yes if you are shooting thousands of arrows a week it might be more comfortable to use the more linear limbs
I shot cheap limbs when I started and now shoot hoyt carbon x tours. Honestly I noticed a huge difference in stacking. I think if your draw is in the 28" range the difference would not be big but mine being almost 31" it has made a big difference in how I shoot.
is stacking mean more draw = more pain / more weight? I've shoot SF Axiom wood/fiber and now hoyt 900cx, it really high different at 28 Draw Length. With SF i cant hold it 5 secs but with hoyt i can hold it 10secs up
At the end of the day, the expensive limbs won't make you hit that bullseye. What we're hoping for is to have more consistent groupings. That you WILL get with better limbs IF your issue is that your limbs are messing you up.. how often is that the case? 🤔
Great review. The clickerzone is crucial. I got the premiums and a pair of fibre/foam. Both are stacking up in the zone at 28" marked 36#. Draw curve on both are like bananas in the end reaching 48# at 33" draw. It realy shows money matters to get a nice feeling in clickerzone.
As you are able, I would be interested in you doing a review on WNS Motive C5 Limbs. I would be very interested in your analysis of what you find in your review. I am using a set - Long & 30# @ 28", with a 25" Riser (WiaWis Winex)
if your draw cycle is not consitant the chrono is more likely giving you a reading of your inconsistancy which is affecting the arrow speed not the difference in the limb performance
Hi Steven, I enjoy your video reviews very much, so thanks for taking the time and making the effort! I notice that when you release the string your fingers look to "flick" open, almost as if it`s a deliberate movement rather than just relaxing them to allow the string to pass through them which shouldn`t result in them straightening out. Do you feel your release needs some adjustment or are you happy with it?
Hello. I'd still like to ask. How big of a difference there is between fiber/wood limbs vs. carbon/wood limbs? I'm torn between WNS AXIOM Alpha Fibers vs. WNS 2018 Alpha Carbons. I defininitely can't afford foam libms right now but if the carbons would be worth it I'd be willing to spend bit more. Thanks in advance.
Could you test the win&win wiawis cx7 limbs and riser it would be very intresting to see how good are cheap carbon things. Thanks and I love your videos
I broke two of this. The first was rated 40lbs broke the lower limb. Seller replace it with 42lbs but after a 100+ shots broke the upper limb. It has durability issues
I no longer buy wood core fiber limbs, since I started using bamboo core fiber limbs and unidirectional carbon bamboo core, I feel comfortable, as we know the soft flexible nature of bamboo, no stacking when draw and it is faster than wood core limbs . I use limbs from wns explore B1 and CB1 carbon bamboo..
Yes I accept that the limbs will perform better than cheap ones, but let me tell you I compete at my club and I use the cheapest limbs going, and still out shoot most others, and I shoot bare bow. no matter what limbs you use, if you can get a good group on the gold then there is no difference in performance, I suggest you stick to a mid range limb with lateral stabiliser in it to stop any twisting, spend no more as you just doo not need to.
I don't really agree. I've never had problems with less expensive wood core limbs. In fact, I have old one piece wood core limbs from the seventies, mostly Bear, and they are the most consistent and smoothest shooters and still going strong. Of course they weren't made in China. Which may be the difference.
Waltham1892 On the mental side, looks will affect your shooting performance for example you have a very good looking bow that you handpicked and think it is the best bow for you it will give you big confidence which is a part of your performance
@@mocknugget my point is, yes, your mental game does have to include confidence in your equipment, but, it's better to have that confidence based on its performance and knowing how to get the most out of it.
Some people might not like apples after spending lots of money on them and would like the inputs of someone who has pears to know if pears might suit their taste before they invest in buying a pears farm. 😂
I love your videos, but I've got to draw attention to 6:14. After I noticed the mark on your arm that wasn't there in the beginning, I had to rewind it to see if you recorded the arm hit. I've done it plenty of times myself, but I couldn't help laugh at your facial expression when your arm got slapped. That had to have stung, but you held yourself together :)
your bow needs to be tuned properly it sounds awful i dont understand how you can draw your conclusions based on the shots i have seen you make you are not shooting well enough to conclude anything regarding bow limb performance i think it would be better if you said nothing about limb performance you need to decide if you are going to shoot recurve or compound as from what i have seen you cant shoot recurve well enough to make any decisions on the quality of the equipment you are using
He sells them for a living dude.. I guarantee a 2k bow didn't actually cost him 2k. And he obviously has a very keen interest in bows, so while he's out there running a successful business he may or may not have time to practise enough to be a better than average shooter. He could be a total shit shot (doubt it) and he still has more reason than most people to own a nice bow. Dick
I know this is an old comment, but it is real because sport is also about sport psychology. Anything you can afford to improve your psychological state, or to allay even the slightest doubt, is an advantage, even if that's the "look" of your equipment. Of course, some people are less affected by this, and some people are more affected by this. Source: myself. Shot competitively in my regional circuit for about 7 years and won about 70+ medals in that time.
"Looks play a big part with archery." Blimey how vain are some people. To me it doesn't matter what the bow looks like, it's how well the archer shoots with it. Nothing worse than seeing a novice with all the top expensive gear who can't shoot the barn door. It's the way a bow feels in the hand and to shoot not what it looks like. Going on looks alone you will have no chance. 🏹
PLEASE DO NOT MAKE A REVIEW IF YOU CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIGHER QUALITY LIMBS COMPARED TO LOWER QUALITY LIMB,FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE MAKING A VIDEO.
Thank you! My left ear thou thoroughly enjoyed that.
7.1 headset didn't notice
Enjoyed your video. Just upgraded my Hoyt 840 Carbon limbs with a set of Wiawis-NS carbon limbs. They look beautiful and shoot
well. Since I'm 60 yrs old, I don't know how many good yrs I have left so I'm going to enjoy my Olympic Recurve passion.
As an intermediate archer from the UK, I can honestly say that my starter wood/fibreglass SF Axiom limbs were loud and hard to draw. My Petron wood/carbons are smooth and easy to hold, despite having a higher draw weight. It was like a night and day difference.
true, ive but SF Axiom 70/38 and Hoyt 900cx 68/40, SF make me pain at shoulder muscles, but hoyt not make it, really gone. And not a question why i can hold 5-10 second full draw with my hoyt.
Mr Joe Average archer will probably never reach the standard where the limitations of the cheaper limbs will show.
If you like what you are using, you will shoot better with it.
You may be surprised. A nice mid-price set of limbs feels much nicer than the cheap ones, but I can't justify the top end.
@@RichardBragg when I posted my comment...
When I said cheaper limbs.. I wasn't talking about the super cheap 'club bow' limbs.
Mr average archer doesn't use the nasty no name club limbs.
Currently I use limbs from Mybo. Budget limbs at £65 compared to their carbon limbs for £200 maybe when I reach my optimum poundage I might decide to splash out on the more expensive.
I can imagine it's with most things. The more you spend the higher the quality. But for the level I'm at. I'll stick with the "budget" limbs.
Did you ever change the mybo limbs for something better?
@@chrish6734 to be honest with Covid, archery clubs were shut down and I haven't been able use my bow for over a year. I still used the Mybo Limbs on my Mybo Elite, but I bought a RCX Black, the complete kit shortly after and used that as my main bow. Could tell the difference in quality but not as forgiving when you make a mistake.
The cheaper Limbs sounded louder, and almost rattely. There was definitely another sound, a vibration or rattle. If I heard it at the local range I'd assume you had screw in tips and they were lose. It was that kind of sound.
Sounded hideous
Appreciate the breakdown of each set of limbs! Probably the most straightforward and understandable comparison I've seen about target recurve limbs.
Try doing a more valid comparison cheap carbon vs expensive carbon. Glass is heavier so will shoot a little slower than carbon fibre ..... Don't blame the wood .. My wiawis one wood core are as fast trough the chrono as yours . ps wood cores are NOT more likely to twist ! or vary with weather .. apart from anything else they are encpasulated in epoxy resin and lacquer! Ask Border Archery they make wood and carbon core and they perform within 2 fps and the difference is purely weight of the limb . Some of us prefer the draw and feel of wood core .. and 2 fps is neither here nor there
Also loved the fact that you said........looks play a big part in archery........hate to admit it but let's face it everybody loves to stand on the line with a super cool lookin bow..........of course looks don't make it shoot better but ........it is cool ☺
Hi Steven, I have been shooting since the 1970s off and on, and have always had good equipment, Starting in the 1980s with a Yamaha, then moving to a Greenhorn, and a Stylist, I now have a WNS elite alpha and due to serious medical issues, I can only shoot 20lbs! I am hoping to restore my strength, so until I get to the level I am happy with, I will stick to the premium limbs! Then when I get there I will reward myself with that beautiful Fivics EX!
For all the bows I have had, I have never noticed any shooting difference other than with wood limbs, when the light goes down, you have to click the sight down!
I know a guy in my club that shoots with cheap Galaxy limbs but he’s schooling most guys with the Hoyt limbs. Just saying.
Cheers bud…definitely helpful…👊👍
Love your videos and reviews of all the different products........
Thanks, about what I expected. I will never afford the expensive one. Maybe Lancaster will let me try their best limbs just to give a thrill.
I don't even shoot recurve and I still found this video to be interesting and informative.
No improvement in your shooting , that’s the key ! I’ll walk around with $850.00 in my pocket just fine !
Tank you for testing the limbs! That is a good comparison.
Personaly I' m interested in the new Wiawis ns-g !!!
You are doing a good job!
Looking good Steven. Looks like youve been working out. Looking big
Thanks - I have changed diet about 5 months ago. Dropped weight, I am off Asthma medication, I still have a long way to go to learn about health. Tomorrow I am trying Fasting. I dropped 2-3" from my waist.
I have to make a point here. You compare limbs that have been shot in over two years, to brand new out of the box limbs, that have NOT been shot in. You do make a fine point that the difference in speed is next to none, leaving the conclusion (for me at least), that you get very little, for the last 850 dollars.
so about $150 for every foot/s gained. Deal of the century.
Isn't the draw feel difference coming from the difference in core? Every foam core Limb I've tried has had that solid feel from the beginning, whilst the wood cores have that gradual build up. Might be interesting to test high end wood for limbs and see if they follow this trend
From what I've read that, expensive limbs are just more linear in terms of draw weight and don't stack. So yes if you are shooting thousands of arrows a week it might be more comfortable to use the more linear limbs
Any difference in accuracy? That, for me, is the real determinant. 🤔🤔
I shot cheap limbs when I started and now shoot hoyt carbon x tours. Honestly I noticed a huge difference in stacking. I think if your draw is in the 28" range the difference would not be big but mine being almost 31" it has made a big difference in how I shoot.
is stacking mean more draw = more pain / more weight? I've shoot SF Axiom wood/fiber and now hoyt 900cx, it really high different at 28 Draw Length. With SF i cant hold it 5 secs but with hoyt i can hold it 10secs up
At the end of the day, the expensive limbs won't make you hit that bullseye. What we're hoping for is to have more consistent groupings. That you WILL get with better limbs IF your issue is that your limbs are messing you up.. how often is that the case? 🤔
Great review. The clickerzone is crucial. I got the premiums and a pair of fibre/foam. Both are stacking up in the zone at 28" marked 36#. Draw curve on both are like bananas in the end reaching 48# at 33" draw. It realy shows money matters to get a nice feeling in clickerzone.
As you are able, I would be interested in you doing a review on WNS Motive C5 Limbs. I would be very interested in your analysis of what you find in your review. I am using a set - Long & 30# @ 28", with a 25" Riser (WiaWis Winex)
Good to know. Thank you.
How about wns CB1, unidirectional carbon bamboo core than wns premium fiberglass wood core.?
I now shoot the same limbs as you. They are very nice, but expensive!!!
I saw a pure carbon fiber limb very expensive will they produce higher speeds? It obviously going to be stiff and light.
I would prefer limbs that has comfortable draw. Is that a thing for recurve limbs?
if your draw cycle is not consitant the chrono is more likely giving you a reading of your inconsistancy which is affecting the arrow speed not the difference in the limb performance
So like $800 more for an extra 10fps?
I use Hoyt 840 42lb carbon limbs, very pleased at $440 Cdn dollars.
Hi Steven, I enjoy your video reviews very much, so thanks for taking the time and making the effort! I notice that when you release the string your fingers look to "flick" open, almost as if it`s a deliberate movement rather than just relaxing them to allow the string to pass through them which shouldn`t result in them straightening out. Do you feel your release needs some adjustment or are you happy with it?
Great video I love your setup can you link below the entire bow setup I would like to purchase that same setup. Thanks.
Great idea.... Would be great to start with the entry level wns limbs you refered to.
I use Hoyt 840 Carbon Limbs, I love them. Just returned to Olympic Recurve this yr after a 25 yr break.
recurve #1 !
😁
Hi I like your store and video and I have a ? For you I both a samick ideal riser and some 38# limbs do you think I can hunt whit them ???
No, far far tooo shiny
and reflective.
Kind of disappointed. No graphene W&W bow or limbs. We so need a review of them.
I have more limbs to test, but I thought start simple.
Hello. I'd still like to ask. How big of a difference there is between fiber/wood limbs vs. carbon/wood limbs? I'm torn between WNS AXIOM Alpha Fibers vs. WNS 2018 Alpha Carbons. I defininitely can't afford foam libms right now but if the carbons would be worth it I'd be willing to spend bit more. Thanks in advance.
Something sounds loose on that bow?
Could you test the win&win wiawis cx7 limbs and riser it would be very intresting to see how good are cheap carbon things.
Thanks and I love your videos
I broke two of this. The first was rated 40lbs broke the lower limb. Seller replace it with 42lbs but after a 100+ shots broke the upper limb. It has durability issues
I no longer buy wood core fiber limbs, since I started using bamboo core fiber limbs and unidirectional carbon bamboo core, I feel comfortable, as we know the soft flexible nature of bamboo, no stacking when draw and it is faster than wood core limbs . I use limbs from wns explore B1 and CB1 carbon bamboo..
Yes I accept that the limbs will perform better than cheap ones, but let me tell you I compete at my club and I use the cheapest limbs going, and still out shoot most others, and I shoot bare bow. no matter what limbs you use, if you can get a good group on the gold then there is no difference in performance, I suggest you stick to a mid range limb with lateral stabiliser in it to stop any twisting, spend no more as you just doo not need to.
I don't really agree. I've never had problems with less expensive wood core limbs. In fact, I have old one piece wood core limbs from the seventies, mostly Bear, and they are the most consistent and smoothest shooters and still going strong. Of course they weren't made in China. Which may be the difference.
"looks play a big part in archery..."
Only on the retail side, on the shooting side, not so much.
Waltham1892 On the mental side, looks will affect your shooting performance for example you have a very good looking bow that you handpicked and think it is the best bow for you it will give you big confidence which is a part of your performance
@@mocknugget painting racing stripes on my Chevette didn't make it go faster...
Waltham1892 well I didn’t say looks can make your limbs go faster, I don’t get you
@@mocknugget my point is, yes, your mental game does have to include confidence in your equipment, but, it's better to have that confidence based on its performance and knowing how to get the most out of it.
@@mocknugget
· touché 🗡
Have you done more comparison videos yet?
Bowtech Reckoning , are you going to do a review ,,,
why not compare to WNS carbon/foam limbs instead of fiber/wood, it seems like you are comparing apples and pears???
Flemming Vestergaard that was kinda the point?
He does have a vid comparing $200 carbon foam limbs against top end limbs though.
Some people might not like apples after spending lots of money on them and would like the inputs of someone who has pears to know if pears might suit their taste before they invest in buying a pears farm. 😂
nice cameo by your dog
I love your videos, but I've got to draw attention to 6:14. After I noticed the mark on your arm that wasn't there in the beginning, I had to rewind it to see if you recorded the arm hit. I've done it plenty of times myself, but I couldn't help laugh at your facial expression when your arm got slapped. That had to have stung, but you held yourself together :)
Could you please share low rateRecurve bow. I am a beginner. I am in india
Can I request a review vid for Junxing M108 compound bow? :) Cause you do sell Junxing right?
That has only just been released, they are going to send me some.
Please put the plastic limb cover down. Unnecessary noise.
Great video!
Truth be told if there are accuracy problems it's probably you as an archer not the bow.
Sounds yuck lol. My old Damon Howatt sound so clean in comparison. Not hating just saying :)
your shoulders are open to the target you are holding the weight on your arms not your back you are concentrating on the video and not your form
make a video showing how it's done then pro
Debbie Lim you don’t need to be a professional to see that he’s form is complete shit
i must say it's a good review but man u need to work on your shooting form... you"ll achieve inconsistency in long distance shooting..
He likes to look cool
Man... that bow sounds like shit 😱
The hard truth is that any riser limb combination will shoot a better score than you can with it!😨
Something sounds loose on your riser, and can we have a video on the proper use of a clicker?
@@garyhiggins3575
There are quite literally
dozens and more
videos on proper clicker use.
the most expensive limbs avalible are hoyt limbs with bamboo cores and hoyt has gone to bamboo cores on all their limbs and bamboo =wood lol
Bamboo is technically a grass
Yeah,
bamboo belongs to the
grass family, not the tree family
your bow needs to be tuned properly it sounds awful i dont understand how you can draw your conclusions based on the shots i have seen you make you are not shooting well enough to conclude anything regarding bow limb performance i think it would be better if you said nothing about limb performance you need to decide if you are going to shoot recurve or compound as from what i have seen you cant shoot recurve well enough to make any decisions on the quality of the equipment you are using
I hope you're shooting close to 600 if you're spending 2k on a setup.
I was hoping to win the Olympics. But the amount of work required. It is nice to have a cool looking bow though.
He sells them for a living dude.. I guarantee a 2k bow didn't actually cost him 2k. And he obviously has a very keen interest in bows, so while he's out there running a successful business he may or may not have time to practise enough to be a better than average shooter.
He could be a total shit shot (doubt it) and he still has more reason than most people to own a nice bow.
Dick
should compare hoyt velos with some shit brand limbs
ouch my forearm...man put an armguard
😂
I'd spend the money on lessons from a reputable teacher. The best equipment mean nothing if you develop bad form and bad habits.
Appearance is a big part of archery? Seriously? Get Real.
Yeah, REALLY !
I know this is an old comment, but it is real because sport is also about sport psychology. Anything you can afford to improve your psychological state, or to allay even the slightest doubt, is an advantage, even if that's the "look" of your equipment. Of course, some people are less affected by this, and some people are more affected by this.
Source: myself. Shot competitively in my regional circuit for about 7 years and won about 70+ medals in that time.
Woodprix plans are amazing!
"Looks play a big part with archery." Blimey how vain are some people. To me it doesn't matter what the bow looks like, it's how well the archer shoots with it. Nothing worse than seeing a novice with all the top expensive gear who can't shoot the barn door. It's the way a bow feels in the hand and to shoot not what it looks like. Going on looks alone you will have no chance. 🏹
PLEASE DO NOT MAKE A REVIEW IF YOU CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIGHER QUALITY LIMBS COMPARED TO LOWER QUALITY LIMB,FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE MAKING A VIDEO.