NEW HELJAN CLASS 33 - SOUND, DETAIL & WEATHERING
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2020
- NEW HELJAN CLASS 33 - SOUND, DETAIL & WEATHERING
Discover the all new Heljan class 33 up close and personal, how it runs out of the box through to a sound fitted, weathered model.
In this video I:
- Display the raw model straight from the box showing the stunning finish and new detailing.
- Demonstrate the model on a basic loop and we see it run straight out of the box on 12v DC control.
- Demonstrate how to remove the body.
- Demonstrate how to fit the sound decoder from Youchoos.
- Demonstrate how to program the loco using the Z21 system and input functions.
- Demonstrate detailing the model, modifying livery details and fitting extra parts.
- Demonstrate the weather procedure.
- Showcase the model, detail and sound functions.
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Fabulous review John on the heljan 33 I have the earlier mainline version. Just to let you know just for a bit of weathering I used kiwi liquid shoe polish in a bottle in brown and black it works absolutely fabulously and you can wash your brushes in water but when dry it becomes waterproof and only costs about £2.50 from asda. Don't tell sc Johnson!!
Great weathering on the loco and the sound is great well done mate.
Another quality video John. Thanks.
Thank you Chris, I’m glad you liked it
Hi John, A fine running Diesel, slow speed is superb and your detailing & weathering is well done! Sounds nice too. Happy model railroading! Greetings Filip
Hi John
Loving the new class 33 - fits in beautifly with this layout!
also love the detailing you have put in so far with tent on fire and the weathering. I also felt your pain with trying to do the signals
also loving the changes you are making over on the N guage as well!
Cheers for now,
Derek.
Thank you Derek, haven’t heard from you for a while, been ok?
Sounds like you been on a Piccadilly binge lol keep it coming
I had the Lima 33 back in the 80s bought detailing kit for it and name plates Earl Mountbatten Burma Star . This is a fantastic detailed out the box loco great job on the weathering.
Hi Vaughan, yes I had one too, but today’s Heljan model is in another league or even universe. With all the details it looks so real. With the sound fitted too I love it lol
Hello John, beautiful new loco. You did a great job on the “light” weathering. She now looks as great as she sounds. See ya next time.
Thanks Norman
Really enjoyed this video! I have a z21 sat in a box itching to be used so really find that side useful along with the programming. I also have a ton of locos to weather so really nice seeing yours done. Great Job! keep them coming :)
Bless you thanks. Sounds like you are talking yourself into building a layout. Lol. Have fun with it, that what it’s all about.
Just started of my channel a couple of weeks ago, got 2 layouts on the go both in N-gauge, currently using a Zimo system and a Digitrax pr3 for programming on jmri but loved the look of the z21, just need to get my arse into gear and give it a try LOL!
Very nice indeed! Regards Stephen.
Hi John - Very good review and a great job on the weathering. I have not long got the BR Blue weathered version it am very pleased with it......Cheers Kev
Thanks Kev, me too few minor issues developing nothing much though. They’ve used grain of wheat bulb not LEDs meaning they could blow, one of my is fading fast after 2 days. I’ll just convert it to LEDs looks easy job and fit red lights too as the same time. Slightly more complex as very simplistic light lens is used. Might have to use fibre optics.
Beautiful loco John, great find, can fully understand why you had to have it! Beautiful loco. Thanks for sharing, all the best, Paul
Thanks Paul, yes definitely a beauty. Weirdly never been a 33 fan, as they are mostly known as southern locos, never north out of st pancras. Just the livery did it for me
Thanks John, yes fantastic model, can’t not go fo something as good as that, have it on a Northern special! All the best, Paul
thank you very help full i will see how i get on when the 33 turns up. Regards Ron.
No worries Ron, always happy to help.
Hi John, I have just got myself 1 of the new Heljan class 33 & was looking to fit a chip so this was invaluable to me. Thanks.
Fantastic, I love it when a plan comes together. What do you think of it?
Very impressed. It certainly looks the part. I have gone for a pre-weathered version but your weathering techniques can obviously applied to all sorts of rolling stock.
Thank you, yes definitely. Many perhaps many say it should never be done with a brush but if careful dabbing not sideways brushing. (Except for vertical streaking) it can yield convincing results.
it looks stunning! if i had the money i wuld probably get myself the EWS one or a departmental one - cheers adam
Thank you very kind of you to say. Maybe one day soon you might be able to, who knows what’s around the corner.
ive seen that 33 in real life, once at Bristol Parkway then Bristol Temple Meads , it is an amazing train in real life, if i knew you wanted clips of the 33 i would of happily let you steal one of my clips haha,
i really love the details and weathering you do, its so neat yet looks so real at the sametime without all the mess about
Thankyou, I was looking very closely at the real 33 (D6515) in a class 33 video, and only wanted to refer to images of the real loco so people could see the details I was talking about. But will bear that in mind for the future. If I showed an image you would be happy for me to show it on my channel too?
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 if i have it i would be more than willing to let you borrow a clip :)
Much appreciated I’ll remember than for the future as I do like watching your clips
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 thank you 😁😁
Hi John, Class 33's were max 85 mph, but were later dropped to 60 mph. I've got 2 of these Heljan locos & love them both.
Hi Boa, yes I believe they were. I cannot run locos fast on this layout anyhow. What do you think to your 33s?
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 I find them to very controllable. I use Loksound V5's in mine. One is 33008 Eastleigh, the other is 33119 that I use with my 4TC set.
Brilliant, I agree, few minor issues but easily sorted
Great video, John. It is a gorgeous Loco/Unit. Nice tutorial on adding the decoder and adjusting CV values. and the other touches you've added. Less is More is so important to understand. Anyhow, you probably already know, but "Motorola" (from the famous company) is also known as "MM" (Märklin Motorola") and it is the programming protocol for my trains (Märklin) and only Märklin uses it. Companies like Roco used to license MM protocols to put on their AC trains for the Märklin systems (3 Rail track/AC run), but now all controllers have read both DCC and MM for years. Technically MM is no longer used by Märklin, as they have upgraded all their decoders to MFx and now MFx+. Eventually the Z21 and z21 will upgrade to the "MM" symbol, the ECoS did about 3 years ago. It's all the same- Motorola/MM/Mfx- and used by just the one company to program their decoders. (Apologies if I am stating the obvious or the already known).
Thank you for your kind words Anthony. I obviously knew of Motorola, but not really any idea what it’s like. I don’t think any manufacturers of U.K. stock use it, as you said
just Marklin and by the sound of it they’ve moved from it too. Thank you Anthony we learn something every day
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445Indeed. MFx is still MM (think WIndows 10 vs. Windows 8) lol
Ok fair enough
Lovely model made by Heljan. Where did you buy yours because I’m trying to find them for sale but can’t seam to find any! The weathering come up good and I really enjoyed your details on programming the dcc chip. She sounds lovely! Very envious of you having this. All the best Clint
Thanks Clint I got it from Rails of Shef but I guess I looked at the right time, they do have others with different liveries
Wow listen to that
Thanks Sam, I love it. Some sounds are bit baffling but the overall effect from Youchoos brings it to life
Brilliant John. Now can you do a tutorial on digitrax lol. Great job on the weathering I think you're so brave to do it to a new loco. I still daren't even have a go at my old locos. It looks a really nice loco, I just prefer the class 25 just my personal preference. Excellent video all the best Andy
Ahhh thx Andy, it was the livery that did it for me, otherwise the 33 isn’t a fav. It’s just white windows, yellow panel for me just looks the business. I do love 25s too but would want one with windows same height. Don’t know why but most model have connecting door. I never saw those, always other version in my town. Love 25 engine sound, that would be awesome.
Many may say I’m mad weathering my locos and perhaps Ive ruined them but for me it makes them more believable esp with sound. I just think if we don’t try we won’t know if it works for us. I fully understand the idea, leave well alone.
fabulous model john only one problem there are so many to choose from on rails fo Sheffield 😁 may have to remortgage but think will go for the west coast one to start off with
no were near as competent as you on the weathering so will have to send them off to roads and rails have a great Sunday all the best al 😊👍👍👍🙋♂️
Bless u Al thx, yes there are a lot, moderately priced at £126, great model excellent detail but features are sadly lacking, ie rear lights (on mine anyway) cab lights, driver etc. west coast is gorgeous choice
Hi Matt got my 33 today and the yochoss Chip i can not get the light to work but everything else is working is there a CV to change. sound is good . had a problem getting the body of but got there in the end body when back on no problem Ron
Hi Ron, sounds like you may have the decoder in the wrong way. Try turning it around 180*, see if that helps. Youchoos told me that wouldn’t harm the decoder, but the lights wouldn’t work.
If necessary we can always do video call through messenger tomorrow afternoon possibly so I can see. Btw depending on the loco you have there may not be any tail lights just front lights. I had one bulb start to die on me, so I swapped them for LEDs been fine since.
Regarding CVs Youchoos do set up the decoders very nicely so it’s not really necessary to change it, have a play see how it runs, think on your layout the 33 can out the taps a bit as I think you layout is a loop layout is that right, hoping I’m not confusing you with someone else. Think I’m right in saying youve been doing a lot of work on platforms recently, is that yourself?
By the way I’m John lol, seemed to be getting called all sorts of names this week, you the fourth ha ha ha
HI Matt yes i think that may be the problem i will turn it round later to day and let you know if it has sort it out thank Ron.@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445
IM STILL JOHN, HELLO Ha ha ha..
Give it a go see how you get on, I’ll do my best to help if needed.
i have the one on it way to me and the youchoos sound , how easy is it to get the roof back on i have the ice cub speaker as John from youchoos say this is the best one for this class 33 . is that what is on yours. nice video Regards Ron. Spensley Junction Stanbridge Ford Garden Railway.
Hi Ron, sounds like you’ve got exactly same as me. I put speaker long ways 90* to what’s in vid. The decoder on angle next to speaker and stay alive just over the bogie near the DCC socket held by bit of tape.
Once I got body right way round it went on easy, the lugs don’t line up the other way. The fan end goes above the DCC socket. Just bit tight getting speaker and decoder seated, as there is a plastic bit sticking out inside, speaker has to sit beside this.
Hoping that makes sense. Any questions drop me a line, happy to help where I can.
Youchoos have insulation guide too which was v helpful even though it’s previous model shown.
Hi John I now have two of these locos, fitted with Hunt close couplings and as there thin there was no need to remove any details and it goes round my 2nd and 3rd radius curves no trouble
Cheers Peter
Brilliant, thankyou for telling, my only previous experience of buffer beam detail was on the N gauge 68, where I had to cut most of it off to allow the coupling to move. So that is good news. I had to swap out my grain of wheat bulbs for LEDs I had one fail after 4 days, but easy fix
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 Yes was surprised to see bulbs used instead of LEDs. These are my first Heljans models
Mine too, did you fit red lights or did your models come fitted? I did fit red lights, they work, but... I have a red high intensity light too lol. Any thoughts how to correct it? I did try slipping in bit of insulating tape but that didnt work. The red lights are quite dim so in daylight you wouldnt notice.
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 olivias trains did the mod for me, what they do is fit a white led for the main light then protect it from any other light source. the small lights and head codes still get there feed from the original bulb. a red led is fitted behind there plastic tunnels which when lit light the head codes and the small side lights which is wrong as only the head code should be alight but its imposable to alter that with the plastic light tunnels thats fitted
Great loco, and your weathering is excellent.
How did you pluck up the courage to weather a brand new loco I do not know.
Alex
Ha ha ha Ive never been scared to do things, and many have wrecked, you live and learn. Think by keeping things light not too heavy there’s always a possibility of return to some degree.
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 Good advice John, thanks.
Does the warranty of the locomotive not expire if you weather it John? Very nice video and a stunning loco indeed. Cheers Onno.
Maybe and probably Onno. My experience with model train manufacturers is that once the train is bought you’re on your own. I did test it first, and it arrived in very good condition. So if there’s a problem I can sort it. Personally I’d rather had a loco that fits than someone that stands out as if it’s has thorough spruce up. Still got peckets, Ruston and 66 to do mind
Can't get lights working on my 012..New decoder purchased , still no joy.. Any obvious faults I've missed? Otherwise there's something wrong with the lighting circuit.. How disappointing.. :-(
Hi Mark, Im sorry to read you had issues, but it sounds like you put the decoder in upside down. Give it a try, and hopefully that will sort it. However heljan have used grain of wheat bulbs which are really not great. In fact I had one blow after 4 days, so I switched it for LEDs. Please let me know how you get on, Im happy to help further if necessary
Hi Matt yep all good now i have working light i see there no red light on the loco but that not a problem . thank for your help will be a test run on garden railway i will put a video up but it rain hard so no test run out side today. regards Ron.
RON PLEASE IM JOHN!
Sorry John where Did i get Matt From. not much running the railway had power cuts today. but the 33 sound good. and run well at lest i got it run in before the power when of. Regards Ron.
Least you got it working thats the main thing. Im sure the power will be back on soon.
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 Hi John yep powers on now but N Power have said it my go off as we lost power 2 time today been of for 4 hours . Regards Ron.
Oh blimey, lets hope they sort it before dark. Maybe time to find some candles just in case.
Great video! The class 33’s never had any proper tail lights they only ever had the red blinds in the middle!
Hi, thank you, i know what you’re saying especially back in the day, but my loco is currently running on preserved lines. Watched a video of it and red lights are clearly seen. Sorry to be contrary.
So I will have a go at fitting some. The same lights alernate from white to red with, as you said, the window blind going red too.
Thank you for taking the time to comment.
Hi John, many thanks for excellent video. I have the identical class 33 awaiting its decoder. Could you please describe the decoder and speaker you purchased from Youchoos?
Hi Nick, may I suggest just phone them tell what you’ve got they’ll sort it for you. That’s all I do. I don’t actually know which decoder and speaker they sent. I see it as they are they experts and trust their judgement. My fitting guide is as suggested also on the Youchoos website. Hope that helps
Thanks again. I will call Youchoos as you suggest.
Where did you put the speaker?
Hi Mark the complete installation is on the video if youd like to take a look, thx
where do all the detail parts go.. nothing in the instructions?
Hi thx for your question, I look at pics of the real loco work it out from there. Hoping that helps
Not of much benefit to me John, with running analogue, but a great loco and a great video all the same .
Cheers
Geoff
Thanks Geoff, this loco was sold as DC / analogue. I converted it by fitting the sound decoder. I did notice during my weathering process that the sound does operate on DC albeit in a very limited way. Obviously your choice if you want one.
Shame Heljan got the colour wrong around the cab windows and on the body stripe, it's cream and not white, quite a glaring livery error completely missed by everyone.
Thank you for taking the time to comment. Yes you are right, but to be honest I did mention the white should have been cream. But... Im more than happy, I corrected the green bit behind the cab, thats all Im doing on that front. Every model produced has compromises, inaccuracies or poorly formed / applied parts and thats where design and manufacture to a cost is at the moment. I saw a 1:20 scale model of a rolls royce, perfect in every way. Came in a £17,500.00 I wouldnt pay anything close for a model.