In the end, Oswald story end up parallel his fairy tale counterpart. In the Wizard of Oz, Oz was revealed to not be someone powerful, but just an ordinary man who used deceit and trickery to maintain the myth, just like Oswald who manipulated the Central Government into wiping the slate clean for the Grimm models in order to maintain their narrative as humanity’s hope. Despite his shady action, Oz always did his best to assist Dorothy and her companions however he can. My theory is that Oswald prevented the Goddess squad from entering the Ark because he knows that the Central Government is going to experiment on them to try and create another “Lilliweiss”. That what he was hinting at when he mention that humanity have lost the Goddess of Victory herself. Like many other have already speculate, there a high chance that he was also the person that preach about the Goddesses till his death that Poli mention to Dorothy, which is why Poli conveniently does not know his name.
Exactly. I also think the decision to not allow them into the ark could also have to do with not wanting the blame of losing the surface to the raptures be on them. If the narrative that the central govt told people was that the goddess squad died protecting humanity they would be seen as hero’s but only in “death”. If they were in the ark I’m sure people would say something g along the lines of “how could the goddess fail us, you let this happen, etc, etc.” The goddess squad being left out could have saved them from that resentment and ridicule.
@@adamkohut252 eh, she’s pretty annoying (and a bit of a home wrecker) but she’s not that bad compared to these two. And tbh, pretty sure a good bit of the bs she’s been doing is due to the fact sixo is blackmailing her or smth
@@eoha9583 Of course, that much is pretty apparent actually. But people still absolutely hate her guts for it and some even find her to be worse then Crow, you can find many people claiming she's the worst throughout the Nikke community. I personally don't think she's THAT bad either but yeah, what can you do. She's definitely not worse then Red Shoes, that's for sure.
Oswald is the mvp of the event ngl. He always believed and the only time he called her Anachiro, he forced himself to. He was the reason Red made it to the fight against Anachiro, the reason Old Tale squad survive by repairing them, and he seems to be the old man mentioned in story or relics that kept the idea of the Goddesses alive in the Ark by preaching stories of their missions until his death. 🫡
Imagine the pain this man felt when his last interaction with his heroes was to lock them out permanently and bitterly. Working in the government to help them indirectly and working in the shadows to help them directly, only to be told "Keep their hopes up before we section them off for good." at the very end and he couldn't do anything about it because he didn't have the influence nor the authority to riot against his higher-ups.
Oswald telling Cindy that she is an individual in an anonymous blob makes her the target of humanities rage, also describes himself. He is the face of the C.G. and took all the blame from Doro and the audience. I say that Abe has Engineertism, my own term for the specific archetype of autism that engineers often have. Really good at problem solving but suffer with social stuff. They come off to others cold and prickly, But really do care deeply about others and try to help in their own way. I'm trying to keep this part short because I can go on forever about this. But I think that Snow-White is also a good example, and for a character outside of Nikke Frieren.
Yeah even in overzone I was like ok he's just a messenger, he's getting all the hate acting as a scapegoat this is sad, what can he do really, the central government has proven itself to be more that distrustful, and this event just conforted my feeling on that matter
I just recently got back into Nikke. Which events should I watch chronologically? I specifically mean the events related to the Goddess Squad in the past, such as Red Ash, Overzone, and Old Tales. If there are other events that tie in to this, it would be greatly appreciated if you could include those in the ordering as well.
@@thatonecanadianguy6523 It's better to watch OverZone, Redash and Old tales so you can feel what players feel during their respected releases. although chronologically Red Ash happened first then old Tales then Red ash.
What's painful is that at the beginning stages NIMPH was already a natural defense against the corruption. Then Red Shoes just had to go on and upgrade it then send it back for the raptures to improve on top of that.
The added timestamps are really appreciated! I can only watch part of your streams, so it’s nice that you put in the extra effort to make it easier to catch up
Not Red Hood as you can tell the difference in her corruption, when she succumbed to it she just passed out for many years. No turn, no hatred for humanity, just knocked out. If you think about it Red Hood had the original corruption code that was only dangerous in that it incapacitated nikke and that is a death sentence IN COMBAT, and was stated by Red Shoes to only be temporary (even with her original modification before corrupting Cinderella). The squad and Red Hood probably got the wrong idea about her corruption due to running into Anachiro and expected Red Hood to end up like her,
Red Hood got corrupted before it was refined and became the “current” corruption, so not really. That’s why she was able to hold on for so long. Maybe the early-beta-early access version of “relevant” version, but I feel like we aren’t getting that question answered
Not just that, but every other heritic is also a daughter of her projects. All the damage of nihilister, indivilia, liberalio, the 4 beasts, and who knows how many others still out there? All a product of her meddling.
But marian corruption is from AI and chatterbox negotiation. Chatterbox know ark location, so the rapture agree not to attack the ark if ark send nikke to them.
It is established that the corruption only paralyzed and shortly after the Nikke was working again. Red Hood's corruption works the same as the improved version after Red Shoes put his data in the code, i mean Red Hood was about to die just as Red Shoes says happened with the new code, If it were the old code, Red Hood wouldn't be corrupt for so long.
Oswald and Dorothy have turned out to be my favorite characters in the game. Both the most layered characters in Nikke, and different sides of the same coin. A man who loved the Goddesses and a Goddess who wants to be loved. A vilified government agent who works in the shadows to support the Goddesses, and a worshipped Goddess who secretly plans to take revenge on the Central Government. All with the hopes of saving humanity from the Raptures in the end, despite what the latter's words may suggest. Alas, if they had known each other from start they would have been the staunchest allies, but circumstances would put them on opposing sides.
The track that plays on the final field when everything is shattered is so beautiful. Promised Dream, a version of First Page. I literally cannot listen to the track without feeling the weight of this event. What a trip we were taken on.
I totally missed your stream and I hate that I did. You are by far my favourite Nikke streamer and argh. Love you for all you do though and thank you for uploading this to youtube so quickly too.
Many stories told back then that were told to kids were basically cautionary tales of what happens when they misbehave. Red Shoes' story for example teaches kids to never let vanity get in the way of what is important.
Ever since Liliweiss was introduced, I always keep 200 golden tickets in reserve if she ever gets released. With Goddess Squad Rapunzel being released, there's only one more member to complete the squad so I'm still holding on to hope. That said, I wasn't expecting the cutscene to have her and her final moments. That one shot gut punched me in the feels.
You know, I just realized something, up until now, the highest classe rapture we have fought was the tyrant class, but here they talk about guardian class, and I remember an interview with the devs for the 1.5 anniversary where he was thinking about fighting a kaiju size rapture where we would have to attack it from several locations on the map, maybe this is a hint for a future boss fight
Abe: "my child is broken..... time to get the super glue...." Also for an added kick in the feels: read the item descriptions for the event stamina and currency if you haven't already And the lyricist for the song that plays during abe's pep talk posted a translation of the lyics in the comments of the official video on cosmograph's UA-cam channel
Am I the only one who felt like the Queen was almost trying to embrace Cindy? Like she likely could sense where Cindy was, and the two blast at the elevator only eliminated her squad. Her actions before Cindy attacked could be seen as simply reaching out for her. The Queen basically opened the doors, leading Cindy to her.
@Killgravios kinda spoilery below 🔽 Nihilistor, Indiv, Chatterbox, and Liberallio are called the Offspring by the Four Beast (Behemoth, Leviathan, Ziz, and Bahamut)
@@dettlaffvandereretein4251 I'm not so sure if Chatterbox is considered a Heretic, but since he is a rapture he could be seen as a children to the Queen too, also Bahamut says they are considered failures because they don't have a transformation BUT Cindy stated she can transformers but will never do it because it's not beautiful, if she knows about this ability since the Old tales event them she could be seen as a full flagged "Offspring" by the Queen too.
Omg this was, PEAK!!!!!! From the drama of Cinderella coming back, the escape, her friends being scared & weary of her. And learning that Red Shoes was a delusional traitor that basically thought joining with the Raptures means safety.....and not expect them to just kill them regardless of what her twisted plan was. (Whose worst now, Crow or Red Shoes?) Side note: Red Shoes looks like she could be from Nier Automata based on her outfit, and it's color scheme. She'll just need blindfolds & she's golden. and we finally saw the Rapture Queen! and she looks dope. And Oswald proved to be one of the best characters! I knew there was WAY more to this man than what ShiftUp showed initially, but even raises more questions.....dude was able to repair & revive the 2nd Gen G.M....does that mean he's a researcher as well? Also Yessenia you look so cute in that new outfit, is it supposed to be like Cinderella's dress outfit?
Man can’t wait for hard mode now! I will say I really like that they show how much Cinderella has no remorse for Red Shoes to the point where Red Shoes is no longer on the map and Cinderella wants her existence to disappear completely, but I also appreciate that she doesn’t want to cause more pain to the rest of her team by not telling them Red Shoes last words.
2:16:07 this entire section was so heartbreaking, definitely wasn't expecting such a dark turn, Abe coming to the rescue and her intervention-talk. Both Cindy, Abe and their interactions were the highlight of the event
Imagine getting hugged by hansel and gretel. not sure if they are gonna able to wrap their arms around you fully (especially Gretel) but hey....Imagine
1:52:07 looking back at this, and her eyes changing from amber to red before all of this, even to when she went 1 on 1 with Anachiro, I think she also gave herself the corruption code, experimented on herself. I feel this explains the question to Cinderella with hearing voices or something. Red Shoes was a researcher, yeah, but I wouldn't doubt it if the corruption code began to slowly further fuel her desire, her hunger, for power and "unity". Which in this instance, it may have kept the legs moving. At this point, those legs were becoming a Rapture of their own. Not to mention, a lot of people were like GYATT and what not because we're just looking at a still where we see Red Shoes' butt. However, when you actually get the mental image of it, it's terrifying to look (at least in my mind) at a pair of legs contorting, twisting around with the feet like if they're snake heads, attaking you, while a dying Red Shoes has no control over them. Judging from the image, I wouldn't put it past it if the sentient boots were using Red's hands as feet to keep itself up until Cinderella cut them off.
Small detail I don't think MANY people realised; Throught the event, whenever you walked, Cinderella spoke based on the current stage, but upon completion, there is litearlly 0 voicelines. Ever. Which is understandable, she died and her story concluded, but that was the biggest thing that got me through the event, as it's just SUCH a small detail, but the fact they gave it thought, and actually went through with it, was the biggest impact I've felt in a long-time, hands down. Might be just because this event made me a softie.
I just imagine like asking Abe for permission to marry Cinderella isn't too bad, but imagine asking Grave is way scarier. I guess also doesn't help that Grave communicates like the Undertaker.
Haha I’m glad I’m not the only one who was seething during the big reveal. It’s insane how Red Shoes was the origin of every single event of corruption in the game and she gets an easy death. Hell no, I would love for her to have Yuni’s punishment. I’m super curious as to the scene with Lilith. Maybe her body and the Queen have some kind of Voodoo type connection where one gets hurt and the other does too. Which is why Lilith’s body was Nihilister’s supposed solution for taking down the queen.
Shift up: Who's ready to rage and cry at the same time!? Players: YES PLEASE!! TWT also SCREW RED SHOES!! ALL OF THIS IS HER FAULT!!! rather than this she should've made a corruption that made the raptures side with the humans!
Great VOD so far, not through it all yet but I know it will be good! Fantastic event, I always liked Oswald and this further proves he's not a bad guy after all, and only wants best for everyone.
Story was so peak, i play like 5-6 gachas atm and nothing is comparable to Nikke not even genshin or HSR which are carried by their story. Can't wait for the hard mode of story 2, they'll definetly show something at the end of it. I NEED to know what happened to Siren and the twins tho i think what they'll show is Abe finding Cindarella in her coma and put her in the Grave she will carry her in.
Ngl the Nikke story makes the FGO and Blue Archive story jealous. Yeah, I said it. Nikke and Reverse 1999 story is PEAK it turns into a cinematic marvel. Anime when?
4:23:47 when all hope is lost and it seems like you can’t win, you’re right! give up, you can’t win, plea for mercy, accept defeat and bow down to the goddess of death, the end to all hope, 💀The Rapture Queen💀 This event was a 10/10 I’ve never been so in love with a anime girl until Cinderella arrived, she’s definitely my first Waifu.
You know This is a excelente story and writing when they move your emotions like This. By far this is my Favorite game whit Zelda. I know you can speak spanish, I speak a little whit you in Twitter, and the only thing I want to say about this awesome event are: "Vas a caer, Red Shoes"
Dude... I just finished Old Tales. I play with Korean voicing, and Abe is really blunt and rough. The scene where Abe calls Cinderella "A pathetic fool" is actually kid friendly. In Korean, Abe calls Cinderella "A whiny bitch" It's even censored 😂
So… Rapture queen has the widest forehead, canonically. Notes. Sorry Eunhwa. Jokes aside, it’s kinda hard to truly hate the science team at the research lab, nor the government (if we were to forget our sympathy for Cinderella for a moment and look at things from the humanity’s side). Also, Oswald is mvp, always has been.
God I love this story. I unfortunately missed most the stream so I’m looking forward to seeing your reactions. I love how Shiftup stil pulled a surprise even though it was expected red shoes corrupted Cindy, I didn’t expect her to be kind of the mother of corruption
They need to give Oswald at least one other face I never know if he’s honest😂 Also Abe is one of the best “moms” I think I’ve seen, the hell she’s been through for her Cinderella
Very good event and answered a lot of questions , but at the same time gave us more questions I'm sad that Red Shoes is dead (favorite yandere) , but atleast we will see her again as a rapture boss in union raids , but still sad for her (we don't know what they did with the body , so maybe maybe something can happen in the future related to this)
If not for Red Shoes all corruption would do is make a Nikke freeze up for a few minutes in combat..... she is the one responsible for almost every major tragedy in the story, mankind maybe on the winning foot in the current timeline if not for her.
Not gonna lie, I could've waited for UA-cam instead of watching straight up from the Vods on twitch 😅 But yeah this is PEAK Oswald cleaning the slate by removing both squads (not sure what happened to him during sealing of ark) in the history within the Ark, while new generations rise and slowly forgetting such memory
As a random Humanity First lurker, I'm slowly losing my mind watching every single streamer hating on the UFH/VTC/Central Government, in the event where they are the least dubious so far. It's like the notion that people need to take hard decisions regarding the named characters goes out the window because hot women/main character hot. Especially when half the problems Old Tales faced are actually Abe's fault. It practically feels like Abe is Baldy writer's representation of all the players who default to humanity/government bad. Just from Old Tales alone we have: 1) Central Government sending agents/Oswald to secure Old tales after Cinderella was corrupted is entirely understandable, and their suspicions at the time are not unfounded, especially considering Abe trying to hell and back to entirely cut off the Central Government off. 2) Early Mind scans. While I'm entirely comfortable with believing the early mind scans could be dangerous compared to the ones in the present/main campaign, the only one we hear speak of any danger from mind scans is Red Shoes, casting her assertions completely in doubt. 3) With how shady Abe was in the creation of Old Tales, there's a very large likelihood that it was her, and not VTC+UFH fighting over ownership, stopping Old tales from being deployed. especially with how happy they seemed to be to throw Goddess Squad into the fray as soon as each of them were completed. If anything it feels like Abe was delaying until she could ensure there was no possibility of anyone spotting Hansel and Gretel when sending anyone else from Old Tales out for missions, she has every reason to lie to Cinderella and the others about it too, seeing as she actually immediately lied to them when they asked if they could actually get help from the Central Government. 4) HQ/Higher up Officers in charge and the rebranding of Cinderella to Anachiro: What else do you want them to do? There is an entirely new person wrecking the defense forces over and over, speeding up the collapse of the remaining armed forces of the planet. Cinderella may be hot and cute, but if she's killing practically everyone she comes into contact with and no one can reason with her, what other option do the higher ups have? Have them go "Oh well, she's killing every single one of us, but she's hot, ergo, we must not change our approach to her and continue letting our forces operate under the assumption that she's still an ally"? It'd be entirely evil and callous of anyone in the higher echelons to not address the situation and inform the rest of the troops/the rest of humanity about it. 5) The Central Government demonstrating they're actually useful/ to be trusted, from Abe's words alone: Oswald (and whoever he had with him) stepped in and helped not only revive but also repair Abe, Little Mermaid, Red Shoes, and Hansel and Gretel after they got beat by Cinderella the second time (the fight at the end of part 1), apparently with no questions asked seeing as they didn't even use the opportunity to do a brain scan on the downed Nikkes which would have allowed them to sus out Red Shoes earlier than they did. In other words the Central Government/Oswald trusted Abe so much that they didn't press their suspicions even though they were still well within their right and had not yet discarded the possibility that any of Old Tales could have corrupted Cinderella. 6) The researchers studying/"torturing" Cinderella. Is it evil that they were trying to find how to kill her? No, they had no way of knowing if Cinderella was actually cured of corruption and even worse, they saw with their own eyes that she regenerated from the wounds inflicted by Red Hood. They had every right to try and find out in the case she was still corrupted and ended up freeing herself, with the hopes they could find a way or weapon for the rest of humanity to defend themselves with if Cinderella resumed attacking. "She was begging them to stop torturing her", this does not refute the possibility of the worst case scenario, and the many messages in the minigame transition loading screens hint that Anachiro may have done more than just immediately killing anyone, including lying, questioning and torturing Nikkes and humans during her rampage. Even if this is not actually the case, the researchers have only one clue as to how to identify the corruption at that point, the red eyes, and Cinderella unfortunately didn't lose that color. For all they knew, Cinderella was still Anachiro and was attempting to fool them. 7) Crybaby researcher's fate. It's not ridiculous at all for the dude to have been as desperate as he was in that situation to the point of applying lead directly to the forehead. The unfortunate reality is that Cinderella still did all she did as Anachiro, even if you want to separate "them", there's no getting around the fact that the rest of humanity saw Cinderella do it. This unfortunate sap, stuck trying to find a way to kill Fairy Tale model Nikke, with the pain of knowing she killed his family, and with the surreal duty of having to find a weapon or some manner of ability to actually hurt and kill Cinderella and any other possible repeat by a different Nikke, suddenly has to contend with his remorse hearing the poor girl crying in pain halfway through. The gamut of thoughts in his head include that he failed to develop a way to stop Anachiro, trying to convince himself that the person in front of him crying in pain is the same monster that killed thousands of humans, and Nikkes, the rage that his family was amongst those murdered by Anachiro. And probably, the realization that he probably also doesn't deserve to live if Cinderella was indeed cured and all he did was torture her. Kinda really feel sorry for this dude. 8) Abe screwing Cinderella and Old Tales further, from her visit to the heretic lab and taking Cinderella into hiding. DESPITE THE FACT THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPAIRED FREE OF CHARGE AND WERE NOT JAILED BY THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT, she still decides to run away from the place, not even contact Oswald and the rest of the people that already literally revived her and the rest of Old Tales, instead of possibly fighting the raptures off and argue their case that Cinderella is back. 9) From the various messages in the overworld and in the minigames, we still learn that someone else from the central government, if not Oswald himself, find Red Sus' lab, and basically helps clear Cinderella's motives on killing Red Sus for the rest of her team. During all this time, Abe could still have tried to argue their case to Oswald. I'll hammer this fact home: Every single past action taken by Oswald and the people around him, presumably sanctioned by the Central Government until this point, was made while they still didn't know who in Old Tales screwed Cinderella over and turned her into Anachiro. They helped Abe and the others, to the point of actually reviving them and not keeping them jailed for a brain scan, and even allowed her to go see Cinderella at the heretic lab, when the central government had not yet cleared Abe of suspicions that it could have been her that turned Cinderella. And incidentally, unless Oswald is lying at the very end, the order to wipe the information on the Fairy tale models does not come from him, he is just relaying it to an underlying. So the ones making the information black out is the Central Government, which does line up with what they've been doing through the main campaign if you think about it. Speaking for myself personally, Abe actually soured my desire to get Grave a little after watching the event.
I will admit I am one of those people who dissed nikke but the universe was not having it so every time I opened the app store or was on UA-cam the universe said have you considered playing nikke goddess of victory then I played it and got slapped with good story and trauma and in this event hurt me more than the main story so far and any other event story
Yeah and everyone complains that when they threaten to kill a character that they never go through with it. Glad to see a character die, and stay dead. Good riddance.
Like tf red shoes was thinking that was gonna happened by telling Cinderella that she corrupt her. She was shattered, her dreams crumbled to dust, everyone harbored a deep hatred to her including the goddess squad she so idolised, she felt isolated because noone wanted to lend an ear. AND YOU COME OUT AND SAID "YEAH IM THE CAUSE OF ALL OF THAT AND MORE". And also she knew how powerful cinderella was at the time so im even more baffled that she didnt even considered the chance that she could get obliterated in the spot by her because she clearly didnt enjoy being a rapture/nikke hybrid.
What if red shoes was also corrupted sincer her eyes change from orange to red even more so since the shoes went to raptures upon her death. I also cant help but like her for some reason and feel a little sorry for her. Maybe i just liked her design and onee san vibes idk i feel she wanted to do good but did it the wrong way also is abe a mom or did she call cindy her child?
From a certain pov, red shoes is right. Even with the goddess squad and the 2nd gen grimms, there was no guarantee humanity would have survived. At the end, the queen was strong enough to beat an enhanced cindy, so one can guess she could beat all them. Sure with her plan all of humanity probably still dies but hey, the beautiful nikkes stay alive right
36:55 Seems like a misinterpretation on the EN VAs part. In Japanese and Korean version, it was a sarcastic remark. Abe has a minor sarcastic/satirical yet monotone way of speaking but doesn't mask her kindness. In fact, a few parts of EN VA didn't portray the situation correct for this event. I'm not saying the VA is lacking or untalented. I think it wasn't directed properly on the intention of the script, some delivery could use improvements.
whats wrong with EN dub? a lot of the NPC voice are just terrible, it doesnt show the context of the scene I play in JP dub and easily realized that "Mommy" call was the NPC call for cries before suicide
Red Hood's corruption was different. If it had been the upgraded version, she would have turned immediately. But yes, Red Shoes is definitely responsible for Cindy, Marian, and Pinne's corruptions. She's the main reason why Doro went insane in OverZone, and how she fell out of the Goddess Squad. She is responsible for the start of the game.
the English VA on Red shoes was lacking in emotions in my opinion, if you listen to the JP VA she sounds like a complete psycho religious zealot when she's explaining all the things to the point that its terrifying.
True, then again, the strike is currently still on. We still don't know if Red Shoes VA was the intended one originally. Many Nikkes VA are temporary atm until everything settles down with the AI strikes.
I'm pissed af it feels like they forced the role of the villain to Red Shoes. They need to explain why and how exactly Red Shoes came to the idea of making peace with the Raptures when she was still human. The game feels just saying: Oh hey guys here is the villain Red Shoes. Yeah look at her it's so clear as day she will be antagonist, right? Oh don't worry about her background tho lol she is just there as antagonist anyway~ I love Red Shoes she is so beautiful and I'm pissed they made her just to be treated like that.
Not really forced And she said it already, it s realization she came on her own And a lot of the relics start to explain why she got interested in corruption, seeing that it was a way that affected nikkes againt their will Seems that, instead of fighting againt a overwhelming thing, she rather joined the winning team We still missing some relics so we don't have the whole picture yet
The thing that buggs me is Cinderella’s initial corruption scene. Like, if she knew what was coming, why did she stayed so close? How could she predicted that Cinderella wouldn’t just kill them on the spot? And during the second attempt to take Cindy down, RS didn’t hesitate. So…. Yeah.
@MoltenKnight28 The first attempt, she couldn't, after all, Cindy was the first true test of how she would react, that's why she asks so many questions about how ir feels beinf a heretic, it's the first real test of her nre corruption As for the fight againt her...tbh, i personally think she was holding back, fighting but not wanting to kill Cindy, her face seems to be enjoying the fight, more than beimg serious like all the others
@@fabriziocossio first time - maybe (even though I think she would’ve tested that before applying it to Cindy. She IS a researcher, after all.). But second time? Not plausible. But hey, that’s my opinion. It can be wrong. Like the whole “oooh, tea is evil” thing)
@MoltenKnight28 She had tested the corruption and had evolved it..bit as far as we know so far, Cindy was the start of the REAL corruption test As for the fight, I don't know, that's the vibe I'm getting, that she was holding back We probably going to get more info about her, and the experiments
In the end, Oswald story end up parallel his fairy tale counterpart. In the Wizard of Oz, Oz was revealed to not be someone powerful, but just an ordinary man who used deceit and trickery to maintain the myth, just like Oswald who manipulated the Central Government into wiping the slate clean for the Grimm models in order to maintain their narrative as humanity’s hope. Despite his shady action, Oz always did his best to assist Dorothy and her companions however he can. My theory is that Oswald prevented the Goddess squad from entering the Ark because he knows that the Central Government is going to experiment on them to try and create another “Lilliweiss”. That what he was hinting at when he mention that humanity have lost the Goddess of Victory herself. Like many other have already speculate, there a high chance that he was also the person that preach about the Goddesses till his death that Poli mention to Dorothy, which is why Poli conveniently does not know his name.
And literally the person who created the Goddess statue (directly or indirectly)
Exactly. I also think the decision to not allow them into the ark could also have to do with not wanting the blame of losing the surface to the raptures be on them. If the narrative that the central govt told people was that the goddess squad died protecting humanity they would be seen as hero’s but only in “death”. If they were in the ark I’m sure people would say something g along the lines of “how could the goddess fail us, you let this happen, etc, etc.” The goddess squad being left out could have saved them from that resentment and ridicule.
I somehow never connected Oswald with Oz… Great catch!
I don't know why, but he reminds me of 8man from the snafu anime. Maybe because he was playing the role of a bad guy just for the good guys.
@@GhostStump I agree
Crow : I'm the most hated nikke
Red shoes : Hold my Doro Tea
Like, I never thought shift up would introduce a Nikke worse than crow, but here we are 😅
Liveryn: "Amateurs, let me show you how it's done."
@@adamkohut252 eh, she’s pretty annoying (and a bit of a home wrecker) but she’s not that bad compared to these two. And tbh, pretty sure a good bit of the bs she’s been doing is due to the fact sixo is blackmailing her or smth
@@eoha9583 Of course, that much is pretty apparent actually. But people still absolutely hate her guts for it and some even find her to be worse then Crow, you can find many people claiming she's the worst throughout the Nikke community. I personally don't think she's THAT bad either but yeah, what can you do. She's definitely not worse then Red Shoes, that's for sure.
@@adamkohut252fs. Also liveryn being said to be worse than crow is wild but yea, what can you do?
Oswald is the mvp of the event ngl. He always believed and the only time he called her Anachiro, he forced himself to. He was the reason Red made it to the fight against Anachiro, the reason Old Tale squad survive by repairing them, and he seems to be the old man mentioned in story or relics that kept the idea of the Goddesses alive in the Ark by preaching stories of their missions until his death. 🫡
Imagine the pain this man felt when his last interaction with his heroes was to lock them out permanently and bitterly. Working in the government to help them indirectly and working in the shadows to help them directly, only to be told "Keep their hopes up before we section them off for good." at the very end and he couldn't do anything about it because he didn't have the influence nor the authority to riot against his higher-ups.
Oswald telling Cindy that she is an individual in an anonymous blob makes her the target of humanities rage, also describes himself. He is the face of the C.G. and took all the blame from Doro and the audience.
I say that Abe has Engineertism, my own term for the specific archetype of autism that engineers often have. Really good at problem solving but suffer with social stuff. They come off to others cold and prickly, But really do care deeply about others and try to help in their own way. I'm trying to keep this part short because I can go on forever about this. But I think that Snow-White is also a good example, and for a character outside of Nikke Frieren.
Another Peak story writing from shift up.
I'm so Glad I never Doubted you Oswald, ever since Overzone.
Yeah even in overzone I was like ok he's just a messenger, he's getting all the hate acting as a scapegoat this is sad, what can he do really, the central government has proven itself to be more that distrustful, and this event just conforted my feeling on that matter
Yeah I had a feeling there was more to him.
I just recently got back into Nikke. Which events should I watch chronologically? I specifically mean the events related to the Goddess Squad in the past, such as Red Ash, Overzone, and Old Tales. If there are other events that tie in to this, it would be greatly appreciated if you could include those in the ordering as well.
@thatonecanadianguy6523 You can also watch New Year New Sword.
To me the ideal order would be:
Overzone>New Year New Sword>Red Ash>Old Tales
@@thatonecanadianguy6523 It's better to watch OverZone, Redash and Old tales so you can feel what players feel during their respected releases. although chronologically Red Ash happened first then old Tales then Red ash.
OSWALD AND TEA ARE OWED APOLOGIES
also the double punch of "here is Cindy failing at beating the queen, also have a side of dead Lilith"
Tbh it was either tea or maintenance for me. And tbh tea is a weird way to induce corruption so maintenance made more sense.
DoroTea wants an apology
What's painful is that at the beginning stages NIMPH was already a natural defense against the corruption. Then Red Shoes just had to go on and upgrade it then send it back for the raptures to improve on top of that.
The added timestamps are really appreciated! I can only watch part of your streams, so it’s nice that you put in the extra effort to make it easier to catch up
So this means Red Shoes is responsible not only for Cinderella's corruption but Marian, Pinne, Red Hood (maybe) and Matis as well
Not Red Hood as you can tell the difference in her corruption, when she succumbed to it she just passed out for many years. No turn, no hatred for humanity, just knocked out. If you think about it Red Hood had the original corruption code that was only dangerous in that it incapacitated nikke and that is a death sentence IN COMBAT, and was stated by Red Shoes to only be temporary (even with her original modification before corrupting Cinderella). The squad and Red Hood probably got the wrong idea about her corruption due to running into Anachiro and expected Red Hood to end up like her,
Red Hood got corrupted before it was refined and became the “current” corruption, so not really. That’s why she was able to hold on for so long. Maybe the early-beta-early access version of “relevant” version, but I feel like we aren’t getting that question answered
Not just that, but every other heritic is also a daughter of her projects. All the damage of nihilister, indivilia, liberalio, the 4 beasts, and who knows how many others still out there? All a product of her meddling.
But marian corruption is from AI and chatterbox negotiation.
Chatterbox know ark location, so the rapture agree not to attack the ark if ark send nikke to them.
It is established that the corruption only paralyzed and shortly after the Nikke was working again. Red Hood's corruption works the same as the improved version after Red Shoes put his data in the code, i mean Red Hood was about to die just as Red Shoes says happened with the new code, If it were the old code, Red Hood wouldn't be corrupt for so long.
Oswald and Dorothy have turned out to be my favorite characters in the game. Both the most layered characters in Nikke, and different sides of the same coin. A man who loved the Goddesses and a Goddess who wants to be loved. A vilified government agent who works in the shadows to support the Goddesses, and a worshipped Goddess who secretly plans to take revenge on the Central Government. All with the hopes of saving humanity from the Raptures in the end, despite what the latter's words may suggest. Alas, if they had known each other from start they would have been the staunchest allies, but circumstances would put them on opposing sides.
10/10 writing as always SU 👏👏👏
The track that plays on the final field when everything is shattered is so beautiful. Promised Dream, a version of First Page. I literally cannot listen to the track without feeling the weight of this event. What a trip we were taken on.
I totally missed your stream and I hate that I did. You are by far my favourite Nikke streamer and argh. Love you for all you do though and thank you for uploading this to youtube so quickly too.
Many stories told back then that were told to kids were basically cautionary tales of what happens when they misbehave. Red Shoes' story for example teaches kids to never let vanity get in the way of what is important.
Ever since Liliweiss was introduced, I always keep 200 golden tickets in reserve if she ever gets released. With Goddess Squad Rapunzel being released, there's only one more member to complete the squad so I'm still holding on to hope. That said, I wasn't expecting the cutscene to have her and her final moments. That one shot gut punched me in the feels.
I was already sobbing, one I saw her I broke
You know, I just realized something, up until now, the highest classe rapture we have fought was the tyrant class, but here they talk about guardian class, and I remember an interview with the devs for the 1.5 anniversary where he was thinking about fighting a kaiju size rapture where we would have to attack it from several locations on the map, maybe this is a hint for a future boss fight
Abe: "my child is broken..... time to get the super glue...."
Also for an added kick in the feels: read the item descriptions for the event stamina and currency if you haven't already
And the lyricist for the song that plays during abe's pep talk posted a translation of the lyics in the comments of the official video on cosmograph's UA-cam channel
That shooting star who passed Liliweiss is definitely Cinderella falling down from the space.
Am I the only one who felt like the Queen was almost trying to embrace Cindy? Like she likely could sense where Cindy was, and the two blast at the elevator only eliminated her squad. Her actions before Cindy attacked could be seen as simply reaching out for her. The Queen basically opened the doors, leading Cindy to her.
Maybe she sees a Heretic as one of her children? That is why she was trying to embrace her like a mother saying "welcome back".
@Killgravios kinda spoilery below 🔽
Nihilistor, Indiv, Chatterbox, and Liberallio are called the Offspring by the Four Beast (Behemoth, Leviathan, Ziz, and Bahamut)
@@dettlaffvandereretein4251 I'm not so sure if Chatterbox is considered a Heretic, but since he is a rapture he could be seen as a children to the Queen too, also Bahamut says they are considered failures because they don't have a transformation BUT Cindy stated she can transformers but will never do it because it's not beautiful, if she knows about this ability since the Old tales event them she could be seen as a full flagged "Offspring" by the Queen too.
when she said "I can't see anything, I'm starstruck" I had to take a 5 minute break to compose myself.
Oswald is the goat. He is a good guy that has to do bad things but he still tries to help out in other ways
The thought of Red Shoes potentially being proven right in the end through Marian scares me.
Omg this was, PEAK!!!!!! From the drama of Cinderella coming back, the escape, her friends being scared & weary of her. And learning that Red Shoes was a delusional traitor that basically thought joining with the Raptures means safety.....and not expect them to just kill them regardless of what her twisted plan was. (Whose worst now, Crow or Red Shoes?)
Side note: Red Shoes looks like she could be from Nier Automata based on her outfit, and it's color scheme. She'll just need blindfolds & she's golden.
and we finally saw the Rapture Queen! and she looks dope.
And Oswald proved to be one of the best characters! I knew there was WAY more to this man than what ShiftUp showed initially, but even raises more questions.....dude was able to repair & revive the 2nd Gen G.M....does that mean he's a researcher as well?
Also Yessenia you look so cute in that new outfit, is it supposed to be like Cinderella's dress outfit?
Man can’t wait for hard mode now! I will say I really like that they show how much Cinderella has no remorse for Red Shoes to the point where Red Shoes is no longer on the map and Cinderella wants her existence to disappear completely, but I also appreciate that she doesn’t want to cause more pain to the rest of her team by not telling them Red Shoes last words.
I love that Hansel and Gretel only have like two moods, bloodthirsty and innocent as a puppy
I was so deep in the story, I didn't even realise that when Abe was wiping Glass Slippers, they forgot to draw her hand's reflection in it...
2:16:07 this entire section was so heartbreaking, definitely wasn't expecting such a dark turn, Abe coming to the rescue and her intervention-talk. Both Cindy, Abe and their interactions were the highlight of the event
Agreed! I love their dynamic so much
1:33:50 I've waited to hear those words.
I like her logic but with that logic she could have refine corruption to use against raptures so they can fight for humanity.
Imagine getting hugged by hansel and gretel. not sure if they are gonna able to wrap their arms around you fully (especially Gretel) but hey....Imagine
1:52:07 looking back at this, and her eyes changing from amber to red before all of this, even to when she went 1 on 1 with Anachiro, I think she also gave herself the corruption code, experimented on herself. I feel this explains the question to Cinderella with hearing voices or something.
Red Shoes was a researcher, yeah, but I wouldn't doubt it if the corruption code began to slowly further fuel her desire, her hunger, for power and "unity".
Which in this instance, it may have kept the legs moving. At this point, those legs were becoming a Rapture of their own.
Not to mention, a lot of people were like GYATT and what not because we're just looking at a still where we see Red Shoes' butt. However, when you actually get the mental image of it, it's terrifying to look (at least in my mind) at a pair of legs contorting, twisting around with the feet like if they're snake heads, attaking you, while a dying Red Shoes has no control over them. Judging from the image, I wouldn't put it past it if the sentient boots were using Red's hands as feet to keep itself up until Cinderella cut them off.
Small detail I don't think MANY people realised; Throught the event, whenever you walked, Cinderella spoke based on the current stage, but upon completion, there is litearlly 0 voicelines. Ever. Which is understandable, she died and her story concluded, but that was the biggest thing that got me through the event, as it's just SUCH a small detail, but the fact they gave it thought, and actually went through with it, was the biggest impact I've felt in a long-time, hands down. Might be just because this event made me a softie.
I just imagine like asking Abe for permission to marry Cinderella isn't too bad, but imagine asking Grave is way scarier. I guess also doesn't help that Grave communicates like the Undertaker.
Ngl, Red Shoes became the Otto Apocalypse of Nikke.
Haha I’m glad I’m not the only one who was seething during the big reveal. It’s insane how Red Shoes was the origin of every single event of corruption in the game and she gets an easy death. Hell no, I would love for her to have Yuni’s punishment.
I’m super curious as to the scene with Lilith. Maybe her body and the Queen have some kind of Voodoo type connection where one gets hurt and the other does too. Which is why Lilith’s body was Nihilister’s supposed solution for taking down the queen.
Shift up: Who's ready to rage and cry at the same time!?
Players: YES PLEASE!! TWT
also SCREW RED SHOES!! ALL OF THIS IS HER FAULT!!! rather than this she should've made a corruption that made the raptures side with the humans!
Great VOD so far, not through it all yet but I know it will be good!
Fantastic event, I always liked Oswald and this further proves he's not a bad guy after all, and only wants best for everyone.
Story was so peak, i play like 5-6 gachas atm and nothing is comparable to Nikke not even genshin or HSR which are carried by their story. Can't wait for the hard mode of story 2, they'll definetly show something at the end of it. I NEED to know what happened to Siren and the twins tho i think what they'll show is Abe finding Cindarella in her coma and put her in the Grave she will carry her in.
Ngl the Nikke story makes the FGO and Blue Archive story jealous.
Yeah, I said it.
Nikke and Reverse 1999 story is PEAK it turns into a cinematic marvel.
Anime when?
You need to see that scene of the desperate researcher in JP, I got chills and had to stop for a second...
4:23:47 when all hope is lost and it seems like you can’t win, you’re right! give up, you can’t win, plea for mercy, accept defeat and bow down to the goddess of death, the end to all hope, 💀The Rapture Queen💀
This event was a 10/10 I’ve never been so in love with a anime girl until Cinderella arrived, she’s definitely my first Waifu.
You know This is a excelente story and writing when they move your emotions like This. By far this is my Favorite game whit Zelda.
I know you can speak spanish, I speak a little whit you in Twitter, and the only thing I want to say about this awesome event are: "Vas a caer, Red Shoes"
Dude... I just finished Old Tales. I play with Korean voicing, and Abe is really blunt and rough. The scene where Abe calls Cinderella "A pathetic fool" is actually kid friendly. In Korean, Abe calls Cinderella "A whiny bitch" It's even censored 😂
So… Rapture queen has the widest forehead, canonically. Notes. Sorry Eunhwa.
Jokes aside, it’s kinda hard to truly hate the science team at the research lab, nor the government (if we were to forget our sympathy for Cinderella for a moment and look at things from the humanity’s side).
Also, Oswald is mvp, always has been.
God I love this story. I unfortunately missed most the stream so I’m looking forward to seeing your reactions. I love how Shiftup stil pulled a surprise even though it was expected red shoes corrupted Cindy, I didn’t expect her to be kind of the mother of corruption
They need to give Oswald at least one other face I never know if he’s honest😂 Also Abe is one of the best “moms” I think I’ve seen, the hell she’s been through for her Cinderella
Very good event and answered a lot of questions , but at the same time gave us more questions
I'm sad that Red Shoes is dead (favorite yandere) , but atleast we will see her again as a rapture boss in union raids , but still sad for her (we don't know what they did with the body , so maybe maybe something can happen in the future related to this)
If not for Red Shoes all corruption would do is make a Nikke freeze up for a few minutes in combat..... she is the one responsible for almost every major tragedy in the story, mankind maybe on the winning foot in the current timeline if not for her.
Ooooooo Yesserella outfit!! /chefskiss
Not gonna lie, I could've waited for UA-cam instead of watching straight up from the Vods on twitch 😅
But yeah this is PEAK
Oswald cleaning the slate by removing both squads (not sure what happened to him during sealing of ark) in the history within the Ark, while new generations rise and slowly forgetting such memory
As a random Humanity First lurker, I'm slowly losing my mind watching every single streamer hating on the UFH/VTC/Central Government, in the event where they are the least dubious so far. It's like the notion that people need to take hard decisions regarding the named characters goes out the window because hot women/main character hot. Especially when half the problems Old Tales faced are actually Abe's fault.
It practically feels like Abe is Baldy writer's representation of all the players who default to humanity/government bad. Just from Old Tales alone we have:
1) Central Government sending agents/Oswald to secure Old tales after Cinderella was corrupted is entirely understandable, and their suspicions at the time are not unfounded, especially considering Abe trying to hell and back to entirely cut off the Central Government off.
2) Early Mind scans. While I'm entirely comfortable with believing the early mind scans could be dangerous compared to the ones in the present/main campaign, the only one we hear speak of any danger from mind scans is Red Shoes, casting her assertions completely in doubt.
3) With how shady Abe was in the creation of Old Tales, there's a very large likelihood that it was her, and not VTC+UFH fighting over ownership, stopping Old tales from being deployed. especially with how happy they seemed to be to throw Goddess Squad into the fray as soon as each of them were completed. If anything it feels like Abe was delaying until she could ensure there was no possibility of anyone spotting Hansel and Gretel when sending anyone else from Old Tales out for missions, she has every reason to lie to Cinderella and the others about it too, seeing as she actually immediately lied to them when they asked if they could actually get help from the Central Government.
4) HQ/Higher up Officers in charge and the rebranding of Cinderella to Anachiro: What else do you want them to do? There is an entirely new person wrecking the defense forces over and over, speeding up the collapse of the remaining armed forces of the planet. Cinderella may be hot and cute, but if she's killing practically everyone she comes into contact with and no one can reason with her, what other option do the higher ups have? Have them go "Oh well, she's killing every single one of us, but she's hot, ergo, we must not change our approach to her and continue letting our forces operate under the assumption that she's still an ally"? It'd be entirely evil and callous of anyone in the higher echelons to not address the situation and inform the rest of the troops/the rest of humanity about it.
5) The Central Government demonstrating they're actually useful/ to be trusted, from Abe's words alone: Oswald (and whoever he had with him) stepped in and helped not only revive but also repair Abe, Little Mermaid, Red Shoes, and Hansel and Gretel after they got beat by Cinderella the second time (the fight at the end of part 1), apparently with no questions asked seeing as they didn't even use the opportunity to do a brain scan on the downed Nikkes which would have allowed them to sus out Red Shoes earlier than they did. In other words the Central Government/Oswald trusted Abe so much that they didn't press their suspicions even though they were still well within their right and had not yet discarded the possibility that any of Old Tales could have corrupted Cinderella.
6) The researchers studying/"torturing" Cinderella. Is it evil that they were trying to find how to kill her? No, they had no way of knowing if Cinderella was actually cured of corruption and even worse, they saw with their own eyes that she regenerated from the wounds inflicted by Red Hood. They had every right to try and find out in the case she was still corrupted and ended up freeing herself, with the hopes they could find a way or weapon for the rest of humanity to defend themselves with if Cinderella resumed attacking. "She was begging them to stop torturing her", this does not refute the possibility of the worst case scenario, and the many messages in the minigame transition loading screens hint that Anachiro may have done more than just immediately killing anyone, including lying, questioning and torturing Nikkes and humans during her rampage. Even if this is not actually the case, the researchers have only one clue as to how to identify the corruption at that point, the red eyes, and Cinderella unfortunately didn't lose that color. For all they knew, Cinderella was still Anachiro and was attempting to fool them.
7) Crybaby researcher's fate. It's not ridiculous at all for the dude to have been as desperate as he was in that situation to the point of applying lead directly to the forehead. The unfortunate reality is that Cinderella still did all she did as Anachiro, even if you want to separate "them", there's no getting around the fact that the rest of humanity saw Cinderella do it. This unfortunate sap, stuck trying to find a way to kill Fairy Tale model Nikke, with the pain of knowing she killed his family, and with the surreal duty of having to find a weapon or some manner of ability to actually hurt and kill Cinderella and any other possible repeat by a different Nikke, suddenly has to contend with his remorse hearing the poor girl crying in pain halfway through.
The gamut of thoughts in his head include that he failed to develop a way to stop Anachiro, trying to convince himself that the person in front of him crying in pain is the same monster that killed thousands of humans, and Nikkes, the rage that his family was amongst those murdered by Anachiro. And probably, the realization that he probably also doesn't deserve to live if Cinderella was indeed cured and all he did was torture her. Kinda really feel sorry for this dude.
8) Abe screwing Cinderella and Old Tales further, from her visit to the heretic lab and taking Cinderella into hiding. DESPITE THE FACT THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPAIRED FREE OF CHARGE AND WERE NOT JAILED BY THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT, she still decides to run away from the place, not even contact Oswald and the rest of the people that already literally revived her and the rest of Old Tales, instead of possibly fighting the raptures off and argue their case that Cinderella is back.
9) From the various messages in the overworld and in the minigames, we still learn that someone else from the central government, if not Oswald himself, find Red Sus' lab, and basically helps clear Cinderella's motives on killing Red Sus for the rest of her team. During all this time, Abe could still have tried to argue their case to Oswald.
I'll hammer this fact home: Every single past action taken by Oswald and the people around him, presumably sanctioned by the Central Government until this point, was made while they still didn't know who in Old Tales screwed Cinderella over and turned her into Anachiro. They helped Abe and the others, to the point of actually reviving them and not keeping them jailed for a brain scan, and even allowed her to go see Cinderella at the heretic lab, when the central government had not yet cleared Abe of suspicions that it could have been her that turned Cinderella.
And incidentally, unless Oswald is lying at the very end, the order to wipe the information on the Fairy tale models does not come from him, he is just relaying it to an underlying. So the ones making the information black out is the Central Government, which does line up with what they've been doing through the main campaign if you think about it.
Speaking for myself personally, Abe actually soured my desire to get Grave a little after watching the event.
I will admit I am one of those people who dissed nikke but the universe was not having it so every time I opened the app store or was on UA-cam the universe said have you considered playing nikke goddess of victory then I played it and got slapped with good story and trauma and in this event hurt me more than the main story so far and any other event story
Yessenia: Sorry if you hear hammering.
Me: HAMMERING IS ALIVE!?
STAHP CUS I KNEW THE MOMENT I SAID THAT SOMEONE WAS GOING TO SAY IT LMFAO
I really hope that the rest of Old Tales weren't made victims of what I like to call "The Cleanup Job".
im actually glad they... um... got rid of the dirty shoes.
if Red Shoes were playable i'd hate her more than Crow
Yeah and everyone complains that when they threaten to kill a character that they never go through with it. Glad to see a character die, and stay dead. Good riddance.
I almost forgot to ask, Yessenia, you are close to have enough combat power to try the new story chapters? They are soooo good!!!!
Like tf red shoes was thinking that was gonna happened by telling Cinderella that she corrupt her. She was shattered, her dreams crumbled to dust, everyone harbored a deep hatred to her including the goddess squad she so idolised, she felt isolated because noone wanted to lend an ear. AND YOU COME OUT AND SAID "YEAH IM THE CAUSE OF ALL OF THAT AND MORE". And also she knew how powerful cinderella was at the time so im even more baffled that she didnt even considered the chance that she could get obliterated in the spot by her because she clearly didnt enjoy being a rapture/nikke hybrid.
That "Nah b**ch" was from the heart 😂😂
What if red shoes was also corrupted sincer her eyes change from orange to red even more so since the shoes went to raptures upon her death. I also cant help but like her for some reason and feel a little sorry for her. Maybe i just liked her design and onee san vibes idk i feel she wanted to do good but did it the wrong way also is abe a mom or did she call cindy her child?
Nikke is about to start charging you a water tax with all these tears Yessenia 😆
LMAO
Marian is 02?
From a certain pov, red shoes is right. Even with the goddess squad and the 2nd gen grimms, there was no guarantee humanity would have survived. At the end, the queen was strong enough to beat an enhanced cindy, so one can guess she could beat all them. Sure with her plan all of humanity probably still dies but hey, the beautiful nikkes stay alive right
No
Una gran historia un 10 le doy
Red Shoes is worse than Crow
Crow is a bitch just to be a bitch while red shoes is crazy
so there still a third grimm generation?
No?
There are theories, but nothing is confirmed or true. A lot of people theorize that Alice might be a secret Pilgrim.
red sus and syuens sister :x
Oswald always being the GOAT
36:55 Seems like a misinterpretation on the EN VAs part. In Japanese and Korean version, it was a sarcastic remark. Abe has a minor sarcastic/satirical yet monotone way of speaking but doesn't mask her kindness. In fact, a few parts of EN VA didn't portray the situation correct for this event. I'm not saying the VA is lacking or untalented. I think it wasn't directed properly on the intention of the script, some delivery could use improvements.
Wife
whats wrong with EN dub? a lot of the NPC voice are just terrible, it doesnt show the context of the scene
I play in JP dub and easily realized that "Mommy" call was the NPC call for cries before suicide
You Bastard! You did it!
You corrupted Red Hood too, didn't you!
You killed my wife! Destroyed my family!
Red Hood's corruption was different. If it had been the upgraded version, she would have turned immediately.
But yes, Red Shoes is definitely responsible for Cindy, Marian, and Pinne's corruptions. She's the main reason why Doro went insane in OverZone, and how she fell out of the Goddess Squad. She is responsible for the start of the game.
the English VA on Red shoes was lacking in emotions in my opinion, if you listen to the JP VA she sounds like a complete psycho religious zealot when she's explaining all the things to the point that its terrifying.
True, then again, the strike is currently still on. We still don't know if Red Shoes VA was the intended one originally. Many Nikkes VA are temporary atm until everything settles down with the AI strikes.
0ㅁ0 흠~~~
I'm pissed af it feels like they forced the role of the villain to Red Shoes. They need to explain why and how exactly Red Shoes came to the idea of making peace with the Raptures when she was still human.
The game feels just saying: Oh hey guys here is the villain Red Shoes. Yeah look at her it's so clear as day she will be antagonist, right? Oh don't worry about her background tho lol she is just there as antagonist anyway~
I love Red Shoes she is so beautiful and I'm pissed they made her just to be treated like that.
Not really forced
And she said it already, it s realization she came on her own
And a lot of the relics start to explain why she got interested in corruption, seeing that it was a way that affected nikkes againt their will
Seems that, instead of fighting againt a overwhelming thing, she rather joined the winning team
We still missing some relics so we don't have the whole picture yet
The thing that buggs me is Cinderella’s initial corruption scene. Like, if she knew what was coming, why did she stayed so close? How could she predicted that Cinderella wouldn’t just kill them on the spot? And during the second attempt to take Cindy down, RS didn’t hesitate. So…. Yeah.
@MoltenKnight28
The first attempt, she couldn't, after all, Cindy was the first true test of how she would react, that's why she asks so many questions about how ir feels beinf a heretic, it's the first real test of her nre corruption
As for the fight againt her...tbh, i personally think she was holding back, fighting but not wanting to kill Cindy, her face seems to be enjoying the fight, more than beimg serious like all the others
@@fabriziocossio first time - maybe (even though I think she would’ve tested that before applying it to Cindy. She IS a researcher, after all.). But second time? Not plausible. But hey, that’s my opinion. It can be wrong. Like the whole “oooh, tea is evil” thing)
@MoltenKnight28
She had tested the corruption and had evolved it..bit as far as we know so far, Cindy was the start of the REAL corruption test
As for the fight, I don't know, that's the vibe I'm getting, that she was holding back
We probably going to get more info about her, and the experiments