I saw jim gibbinson do this test with a beach rod and a fly rod at a carp group meeting in bexley....the fly rod totally exploded!! His face was a picture!! Fuckin hilarious never forgot it!
Very informative video, all the people complaining that the results are invalid need to realise that once the stretch of the mono has been taken up by the rod it will deliver the same amount of force as the braid on the same rod, c'mon chaps engage your brains.... DUH
Missing the point here: the stretch in mono makes no difference to the force applied once the rod is bent to any particular degree - it merely delays the speed with which it takes effect. If you don't believe that, try this test: hang a weight (say a pound) from the hook on your spring balance or dial scales, and see what the scales say - they should read one pound if they're accurate. Now tie a rubber band to the weight, slip the band over the hook on the scales and take another reading. It will still be one pound - the stretch in the band does not reduce the force applied. The only difference will be how far below the scales the weight hangs, depending on how much stretch is in the rubber band. Mono line is exactly the same - as you tighten up to a fish the line gives, reducing the bend in the rod, so you must keep tightening up some more to put the rod back to the same amount of bend. Once the stretch is taken up, the bend will maintain its position, and whatever force you are applying will be exactly the same as if you used a non-stretch braided line. The reason the softer rod puts more pressure on is simple physics; the more the rod bends under a given load, the shorter the effective length of the lever. You can apply more force with a six foot lever than a twelve foot one, or - to put it another way - the longer the lever the more force is applied at the fulcrum (which, in fishing rods, is where you are holding it).
Graeme Hodges , hence why big game boat rods are so short. Thank you for being the only person with a brain, it's only a shame the presenters missed the opportunity to teach people that higher test curve rods a purely designed for casting heavier things further.
What people are often not aware of especially with better quality rods, is that they will have different effective test curves and curve shapes from their casting to playing action.
A softer rod will always apply more pressure than a faster rod purely because of the physics of leverage. A softer rod under compression is effectively shorter that a faster rod under compression and hence less leverage from the fish, more from the angler. However, a compound rod "can" cast further than a fast taper as "tip recovery" plays a part in this. A higher modulus, lower resin blank can recover faster than a lower modulus one, so tip speed is increased and thus the lead flies further. A powerful rod that is not being fully compressed on a cast will cast less than a lighter rod that is fully compressed. I have seen very few casters that can compress a 3.5tc rod. I have seen plenty of casters than can compress a 2.75 tc rod :) The more rings on a given blank, the more power can be converted as the line will follow the full curve of the rod. One last thing, on a proper rig used for testing blanks in a factory, we managed to get over 10lbs of pull from a 2.75tc Mk1 Century Armalite. On the same rig a 3.5tc Century FMJ manages 3.75lbs. For a laugh we tried a very old 1.25 glass fibre rod from North Western. This also pulled 3.75lbs! We also got over 3lbs of pull from a 8'6" trout fly rod designed for dry fly fishing!! It really is a very fascinating world to work in :)
Kann mir bitte jemand sagen, wie das Lied heißt was bei 5:29 anfängt? Can someone help me to find out which song begins at 5:29? Sorry for my bad english :-)
Aside from the rather unscientific test there is some good advice here, heavy rods aren't always best. They really should have measured the force applied to the rod too to gain any real insight, sure braid converts energy more directly but if one guy pulls harder then more pressure is guaranteed to register on the scales.
I wouldnt rethink mate, IMO perfect tc for all venues really. Plus google mark tunley rod myth or leverage. there should be an article against soft rods being better.
Quite interesting, although I use 3lb TC rods for all the waters I visit and find them really good. The only problem with the clip, is the fact they were using different line and that DOES make a heck of a difference, simply because one line has no stretch and the other does!! Still, we got the idea, thanks....
My favourite rods are still my old Daiwa 2 1/4 WKN`s. You can`t seem to buy 2 1/4 TC rods any more. It seems anglers have dictated what rod companies produce through machismo mentality as opposed to what is really necessary!
iv'e just bought the sonik sks 3lb rods and they are super slim,they look like a 2.50lb TC rod! and the action is more parabolic, more of a through action, but very powerful for how slim they are! high molulus carbon and amazing finish for the price! i aid £39 each brand new, £60 usually! absolute bargain.
BumpyBrown unfortunately they do not stay like that long. My sks4 3lb test were great rods for the first couple of years then started to deteriorate. Now I struggle to cast them as they twist on the cast and have lost a lot of their recovery. I'm saving up for some free spirit ctx proper rods that will stand the test of time.
Sorry but using braid will allow you to put more pressure on the fish because the lack of stretch and not because a smallier test curve. Most carp fisheries have banned braid in the uk because the lack of stretch can damaged the carps mouth with nasty hook pulls. Using mono it's surprising how much less pulling power you have so using a more powerful rod does have it's benefits when your fishing big wind swept gravel pits. If your looking at casting up to or past 140 yards then a 3 3/4 lb rod is the way to go. It's important to match the rods and reels you buy to the lakes or situations you will be fishing, small lakes = small test curves whereas big lake and distance fishing = larger test curves. Also for longer distance fishing rods you should also consider getting a 13ft rod as this will help make the rod feel softer when playing a carp under the rods tips!! Looking for new rods, try looking at Cotswold Rods. I have brought my day to day carp fishing rods for the smaller lakes from them and my distance rods for when i need to hit 130 + yards, they stock all the best rods blanks that are on the market and custom make them to your specifications.
I am using Sonik sk4 XTRs in 3 1/4 lbs TC and at the same time I got mine my m8 got the same rods in 3 1/2 lbs tc. I can cast my 3 1/4 lbs TC rods a good distance but struggle with my m8s 3 1/2 lbs TC rod as I can not compress it as much. We also did a test to see how far we could both cast and found there was only 3-5 yards in it.
Its funny . I've watched countless vids looking for advice on my first carp rod . and this is the first vid that gives real sound advice , and its actually in contradiction to all those muppets that are embracing that stupid american bigger better mentally . I would have wasted a lot of money , enjoyed my fishing less , and caught less fish . it really does scare me how money ruins so much good in this world . wake up folks .. . and thanks for the info . : )
this is invalid do it with the same line. i don't know why you would do this comparison without controlled variables. Try banging out a pva bag with that 2.5.
This video isn’t worth a carrot! If you want to do a proper scientific test, only change 1 variable. By having one on braid and one on mono, all you’ve shown is mono exerts less pressure (due to elasticity) at the business end. Waste of everyone’s time.
I saw jim gibbinson do this test with a beach rod and a fly rod at a carp group meeting in bexley....the fly rod totally exploded!! His face was a picture!! Fuckin hilarious never forgot it!
The good old 2 3/4 still seem to be the best all rounder for all but the largest of waters.
Very informative video, all the people complaining that the results are invalid need to realise that once the stretch of the mono has been taken up by the rod it will deliver the same amount of force as the braid on the same rod, c'mon chaps engage your brains.... DUH
Amazing, wouldn't have guessed
Missing the point here: the stretch in mono makes no difference to the force applied once the rod is bent to any particular degree - it merely delays the speed with which it takes effect. If you don't believe that, try this test: hang a weight (say a pound) from the hook on your spring balance or dial scales, and see what the scales say - they should read one pound if they're accurate. Now tie a rubber band to the weight, slip the band over the hook on the scales and take another reading. It will still be one pound - the stretch in the band does not reduce the force applied. The only difference will be how far below the scales the weight hangs, depending on how much stretch is in the rubber band. Mono line is exactly the same - as you tighten up to a fish the line gives, reducing the bend in the rod, so you must keep tightening up some more to put the rod back to the same amount of bend. Once the stretch is taken up, the bend will maintain its position, and whatever force you are applying will be exactly the same as if you used a non-stretch braided line.
The reason the softer rod puts more pressure on is simple physics; the more the rod bends under a given load, the shorter the effective length of the lever. You can apply more force with a six foot lever than a twelve foot one, or - to put it another way - the longer the lever the more force is applied at the fulcrum (which, in fishing rods, is where you are holding it).
Graeme Hodges , hence why big game boat rods are so short. Thank you for being the only person with a brain, it's only a shame the presenters missed the opportunity to teach people that higher test curve rods a purely designed for casting heavier things further.
What people are often not aware of especially with better quality rods, is that they will have different effective test curves and curve shapes from their casting to playing action.
The only thing that is "mad" is you three, use the same line.
A softer rod will always apply more pressure than a faster rod purely because of the physics of leverage. A softer rod under compression is effectively shorter that a faster rod under compression and hence less leverage from the fish, more from the angler.
However, a compound rod "can" cast further than a fast taper as "tip recovery" plays a part in this. A higher modulus, lower resin blank can recover faster than a lower modulus one, so tip speed is increased and thus the lead flies further.
A powerful rod that is not being fully compressed on a cast will cast less than a lighter rod that is fully compressed. I have seen very few casters that can compress a 3.5tc rod. I have seen plenty of casters than can compress a 2.75 tc rod :)
The more rings on a given blank, the more power can be converted as the line will follow the full curve of the rod.
One last thing, on a proper rig used for testing blanks in a factory, we managed to get over 10lbs of pull from a 2.75tc Mk1 Century Armalite. On the same rig a 3.5tc Century FMJ manages 3.75lbs. For a laugh we tried a very old 1.25 glass fibre rod from North Western. This also pulled 3.75lbs! We also got over 3lbs of pull from a 8'6" trout fly rod designed for dry fly fishing!!
It really is a very fascinating world to work in :)
If i could have a session with 4 Carp anglers
1 x Lee Jackson
2 x Frank Warwick
3 x Gary Bayes
4 x Ian Russell ( arranged in April )
but dosent every manufacturer have different blanks? so a diawa blank feel will be different than a fox or free spirit???
Kann mir bitte jemand sagen, wie das Lied heißt was bei 5:29 anfängt? Can someone help me to find out which song begins at 5:29? Sorry for my bad english :-)
Fire Breathers - Party Fire
Aside from the rather unscientific test there is some good advice here, heavy rods aren't always best. They really should have measured the force applied to the rod too to gain any real insight, sure braid converts energy more directly but if one guy pulls harder then more pressure is guaranteed to register on the scales.
Just a question Witch lead is Lee using
Great video Was thinking of buying 3,5 3,75 lb rods but this made me rethink about it
I wouldnt rethink mate, IMO perfect tc for all venues really. Plus google mark tunley rod myth or leverage. there should be an article against soft rods being better.
Quite interesting, although I use 3lb TC rods for all the waters I visit and find them really good.
The only problem with the clip, is the fact they were using different line and that DOES make a heck of a difference, simply because one line has no stretch and the other does!!
Still, we got the idea, thanks....
I've just bought 2 2.25 lb test curve rods.
Are they too heavy and stiff for tench and bream fishing???
TheEssexSpurs bream are gash thumbs up if u agree
TheEssexSpurs and no the rods you have will do for bream and tench
different line... come on what a waste of everybody time...
Exactly, if they didnt have the same line, they might aswell of swapped the reels over there and then
what lead has lee got there?
BumpyBrown shit ones🤣🤣
My favourite rods are still my old Daiwa 2 1/4 WKN`s. You can`t seem to buy 2 1/4 TC rods any more. It seems anglers have dictated what rod companies produce through machismo mentality as opposed to what is really necessary!
so what u saying then is go for a 2 3/4 lb test curve in all conditions
iv'e just bought the sonik sks 3lb rods and they are super slim,they look like a 2.50lb TC rod! and the action is more parabolic, more of a through action, but very powerful for how slim they are! high molulus carbon and amazing finish for the price! i aid £39 each brand new, £60 usually! absolute bargain.
BumpyBrown unfortunately they do not stay like that long. My sks4 3lb test were great rods for the first couple of years then started to deteriorate. Now I struggle to cast them as they twist on the cast and have lost a lot of their recovery. I'm saving up for some free spirit ctx proper rods that will stand the test of time.
Jim Mozart I've just started again I went for the tx5 Shimano rods 3.5 intensity so far good
So I was wrong to buy 3 and half test curve rods then
I also bought a 3.5 test curve rod. I thought it casts further though?
Sorry but using braid will allow you to put more pressure on the fish because the lack of stretch and not because a smallier test curve. Most carp fisheries have banned braid in the uk because the lack of stretch can damaged the carps mouth with nasty hook pulls.
Using mono it's surprising how much less pulling power you have so using a more powerful rod does have it's benefits when your fishing big wind swept gravel pits. If your looking at casting up to or past 140 yards then a 3 3/4 lb rod is the way to go.
It's important to match the rods and reels you buy to the lakes or situations you will be fishing, small lakes = small test curves whereas big lake and distance fishing = larger test curves. Also for longer distance fishing rods you should also consider getting a 13ft rod as this will help make the rod feel softer when playing a carp under the rods tips!!
Looking for new rods, try looking at Cotswold Rods. I have brought my day to day carp fishing rods for the smaller lakes from them and my distance rods for when i need to hit 130 + yards, they stock all the best rods blanks that are on the market and custom make them to your specifications.
I am using Sonik sk4 XTRs in 3 1/4 lbs TC and at the same time I got mine my m8 got the same rods in 3 1/2 lbs tc. I can cast my 3 1/4 lbs TC rods a good distance but struggle with my m8s 3 1/2 lbs TC rod as I can not compress it as much. We also did a test to see how far we could both cast and found there was only 3-5 yards in it.
Jesus , I've just read the comments . I think maybe one or two was actually accurate all the way through .
The point was a bit lost because they were using different lines.
have them three lost the plot and if you brought a rod from argos for a fiver with braid it would still pull more than a boat rod with mono
Victoria Williams did you buy a rod from Argos
Its funny . I've watched countless vids looking for advice on my first carp rod . and this is the first vid that gives real sound advice , and its actually in contradiction to all those muppets that are embracing that stupid american bigger better mentally . I would have wasted a lot of money , enjoyed my fishing less , and caught less fish . it really does scare me how money ruins so much good in this world . wake up folks .. . and thanks for the info . : )
thats not 90 degrees did these guys not go to school
this is invalid
do it with the same line.
i don't know why you would do this comparison without controlled variables. Try banging out a pva bag with that 2.5.
John Calafati 😂😂😂 he's rod would snap I've seen it happen lol
there was no point in this test. get the same line and then do it again, shame really they went to all this trouble for nothing
Have to agree with you
I thought same mate unfair test really
Oh and locked up is locked up ffs!
Completely pointless if not using same line what would the 3 3/4 be pulling on braid
Say summat al
QI
is this a prank,what a waste of time
Bunch of old noddies
Not the same main line= totally invalid test results. Pointless exercise
Completely pointless exercise is it's not an even test!
Did i just laugh??? lols pointless.
This video isn’t worth a carrot! If you want to do a proper scientific test, only change 1 variable. By having one on braid and one on mono, all you’ve shown is mono exerts less pressure (due to elasticity) at the business end. Waste of everyone’s time.
How can this be a test mono vs braid. Get your act together lads embarrassing