Saber: The Strongest Character EVER
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Why Saber Is Pretty Much The Strongest Character in Fiction - • How Strong is Saber? (...
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30:20 That “laser” is basically the embodiment of humanity’s victory against an opponent. Excalibur is called the “Sword of Promised Victory” for a very good reason.
Bro…..what!???? Sounds like an instant win, why doesn’t she just pull that out every fight she’s in?
What’s the downside?
@@KhunShawn The downsides are that it can take a while to charge, she needs to stand still to use it, can only use it with both hands and some Servants’ ultimate attacks, like Gilgamesh’s, can overwhelm it.
So like a spirit bomb
@@KhunShawn Pretty much
@@KhunShawn she cant use its full power it can only be used at 100% against invading threats against the world
The laser mentioned at the end is pretty much the concept of victory, the will of every soldier and Warrior from the past present and future all focused on her target. There are conditions that must be met to unleash its full power but yeah in the right conditions it's pretty much promised victory
6:48 Saber is just a class name. Artoria is the most well know servant in the show. So i think you mean her. But her real identity is that of Arthur Pendragon. She was born as a female in the Fate universe. (there is a male version too) the "red saber" is Nero Claudius but female.
the original plan was to make him male but they ended up making him female
You seem kind of confused about the naming so. Saber, Lancer, Archer, Assassin, Beserker, Caster and Rider are just classes. Where characters from mythology/history are summoned in to so a saber is not always the same character for exaple Julius Caesar and King Arthur are both Sabers.
The blue saber is named Artoria Pendragon the king of knights(basically King Arthur) and red saber is Nero Claudius the Roman emperor that was blamed for the great fire that destroyed Rome
Saber with the Tsubame Gaeshit feat isnt just above the concpet of speed, but getting hit by an attack that trancends concepts and dimensions is outerversal. Outerversal is when a character is beyond infinite dimensions or just above the concept itself. So basically it isnt just Irrelevant Speed possesed by the strongest characters in fiction, wich is basically the fastest level of speed you can have, its also Outerversl wich is on some DC comics high-tier shit.
DC with its strongest characters is only around Outerveral and at most "high Outerversal".
And what Seth doesnt mention is that in Fate/Grand Order a character named Musashi fought Kyoujiro (Tsubame Gaeshi guy) and it is again described with Outerversal terms like beyond concepts etc., so its actually pretty consistent in the show.
And Saber and everything in the verse is below "The Root" or "Blank" like Seth mentioned and there is a character named Ryougi Shiki who is the embodiment of The Root wich is beyond something that already trancends concepts (Outerversal), so The Root could be argued to be high-Outerversal because it completely trancends Outerversal level things.
So Nasuverse/Fate slams most of fiction including maybe most if not all of DC comics.
How is there ever a threat in this show/manga if the protagonist has the weapons of basically conception???
It’s so crazy that it’s down right entertaining.
@@KhunShawn And the thing is Tsubame Gaeshi is beyond the concept of time/speed so Sabers Intuition ability wich allows her to basically see the future and act on it, didnt percieve the attack and she still dodged that Irrelevant speed Attack.
Causality reversal Like Gae Bolg has would be able to kill Most characters in anime Like Gold Expierence Requiem, wich Goku wouldnt be able to even hit.
Its because the Counter force restricts the servants from destroying their Environment that the fights seem so average.
Servants also have luck stats etc wich allow them to counteract fate and average servants can destroy concepts Like Demon God Pillars.
There are many characters that can be argued to be stronger than Saber Like Gilgamesh, Arcueid or Beast class etc.
Arcueid is the Ultimate One of earth/the moon. Ultimate Ones Just like beast class or Divine spirits do Not posess the concept of death.
Ultimate Ones are basically the strongest thing from that planet and are connceted to the Counter Force or basically are its embodiment.
Arcueid is prob the second strongest in the verse next to Ryougi Shiki, but there are "primordial demons" like basically on some Cthulu shit and they are still Not counted as the strongest in the verse.
@@bennogb5069 she didnt dodge the full attack she exploited a chink in the sword that caused the slash to be off if that chink wasnt their shed be dead as hell even her dodging cu gae bolg is pure plot convenience as saber should not have that high luck in any capacity
@@durrangodsgrief6503 in the Anime it wasnt included and Nasu approves of it, so I dont know what Ur point is.
@@durrangodsgrief6503 and who are you to head-canon Plot convience when clearly luck stat is supposed to be that busted
Something extra. Arturia is a semi-homunculus created by Merlin since the King of Britain could not have kid due to a curse, so Merlin with his Magic used the Red Dragon Essence from the land to get the Queen pregnant.
When Arthoria was born she did not have a Magic Circuit in her body (on Fate is explained that all humans have magic circuit that helps them to use magic and magecraft), but a Magic Core like a Dragon (Dragons are the Pinnacle of all Magical beings, like the Vampires on the Paranormal World) this allows her to reach even higher Tier magic than no human could ever archived.
So even since a little kid, she was insanely strong.
There are several things he got wrong
The first and big one being that servants while yes they are heavily restricted could never destroy the world regardless of wat they do they simply don’t have the fire power to do so.
2: he never talks about what is the reasons a servant is truly restricted which is the division in their power through the use of the class system
Think of a full on heroic spirit having access to their full build while the class system divides that build into specific parameters. Artoria has far more than just Excalibur and she even has marmyados which is Heracles sword and is confirmed to be stronger than Excalibur but since she’s heavily associated with Excalibur she will always have that.
3: Servants can’t even go light speed without destroying a normal saint graph. If they got a strong enough saint graph MAYBE but without one they physically can’t without burning themselves out.
4: Even in the nasuverse there’s still stronger beings than artoria and those beings becoming servants are far weaker that as servants due to how much of their power they have to discard and trying to use more than allowed will kill that servant version.
5: he blatantly is ignoring the fact that kojiro sword is bent even though this still remains consistent even in the anime and denies the claim in his comment thread.
5: in extella tamamo and Nero aren’t anywhere near as strong as they were in fate extra ccc and only get a mild power boost for the majority of extella due to not having the full regalia and only having a third of it respectively. He also completely ignores that tamamo says that Amaterasu is STRONGER than sefar but forgets that sefar high tier anti magic is wat shafted her and in the LB5 timeline the Greek pantheon combined together to beat sefar something artoria never did.
bb, EA, enukidus enuma eilish. those 3 are the ones i can think of with enough fire power, thats ignoring the ones that could technically destroy it given the right conditions and the fact that solomon exists alongside the other beast class ppl, other than that we have everyones favorite bow man; Orion. And other than that, amakusa shirous noble phantasm spawns a black hole, quin shi huangs, controls it, and i could go on but this comment is long enough
@@FateAbridger_Ppg except again none of those can destroy the world.
If enkidu tried to destroy the world with his enuma elish he’d immediately lose access to the counterforce which is where his power truly comes from
Gil is like every other servant in that their restricted same as BB who’s basically powerless outside of the mooncell.
Solomon has never really shown anything that’s prove he could do it.
Amakusa can’t due to the fact that his np won’t have enough power to do so and I’m not sure how super Orion is doing this.
Moth mans np isn’t controlling the world just launching his satellites and monitoring it like in lb3
So my point still stands
@@amari7782 while that is true, his power wouldnt be restricted on any battle thingy on say... the space wars meaning shit like enkidu and gilgamesh wouldnt be restrained, as for solomon... Just watch a vid on his phantasm. As for amakusas black hole not having enough power, thats just false due to the same reason as for enkidu and gil as for orion, him shooting paris with the achilles bow was enough to take down artemis, meaning he could propably destroy an earth if he had the bow, the arrow, and ect. BB while yes, they are basically powerless under normal circumstances, ur forgetting that the mooncell can manipulate reality, as for moth man, i did get that wrong (didnt read too much in the lost belt)
oh also buddha is a servant so do with that information as you please
@@FateAbridger_Ppg what are you talking about soace wars?
@@FateAbridger_Ppg you do realize that he can’t do that np normally and the entire scene outright says that’s a lot of prep work just for making it work and even then that wouldn’t that strong enough to destroy the world.
Bruh I’m aware that the Buddha is a servant but again that doesn’t mean he can destroy the world same as bb
Excalibur her sword the beam attack is called the sword of promise victory meaning artoria wins no matter what except going against Gilgamesh EA
The Fate series is the perfect example of a creator making something, and then it growing out of control at a pace too rapid to stop or fix.
the laser is just a big ass blast that gets stronger with the level of the threat
About destroying armies even nappa could do that lmao
The good ol days
@@KhunShawn yea like hell even artoria could get damage from a bullet even radith could capture a bullet using his finger and the person telling me that artoria is the strongest character in fiction?what a joke
In fate extra the servants beat BB and kiara only because of plot armor Not other else other than that(like hell they even beat shiki and arcuied that suppose to be impossible to beat even for gilgamesh lmao plot armor power)
And about destroying the world 99% of Z fighters could destroy multiple motherpucking planet yo if not destroying galaxies on their daily basic if they wanted to
@@ligeringspirit1133 you completely misunderstood the narrative of fate extra 😭, also shiki and arc were defeated on their servant forms which is very limited to what they can do so shiki’s third personality or her true form akasha which is basically the embodiment of the verse and Archetype:Earth could just one tap every character in fate extra.
@@kxryyn yes but arcuied hobby is breaking the world with only that 30% power bro
And shiki have that mystic eye even in that form she still could bring all of hakuno's servant down and yes even gilgamesh
If based on lore shiki and arc has the same power level
So there is not freaking way 1 of the hakuno servant could bring them down other than plot armor protecting them
@@ligeringspirit1133 I do not think that arc is equal to shiki but ye they both do beat any of hakuno's servants
Red Saber is just pretty much a rip-off of the original Blue Saber Artoria
Yeah she was just a way to troll audience in thinking that Artoria will be in Fate/extra in order to boost the sells (but it was the moment that started the chain of creation of so-called saberface characters)
wait so the creater ripped himself off
Every talking about how saber would slam goku super man and saitama but would she slam super tengon toppa gurren lagann which is 11 dimensional bigger than the multiverse and manipulate probability survive a really dense lake made of millions of species who are universal or higher and can destroy hundreds of multiverses and recreate them can somehow survive in space even in human form and box with a 11 dimensional god who can copy anyone form or powers being able to be on the same level as Saber or higher and super tengon toppa gurren lagann defeated that god and can survive 11 dimensional mental attacks that breaks the laws of past present and future and puts you in hypnosis for eternity and he broke out of it and survived using his will power oh and combine with other lagann to make himself stronger so technically due to spiral power he has infinite potential so he can probably get a form stronger than super tengon toppa gurren lagann if he wanted too but he already defeated the strongest god in fiction. So the question is does saber still slam since she has the concept of victory on her side with is smaller than a planet and her being above the concept of speed but super tengon toppa gurrrn lagann can manipulate probability to make it where his attacks always land by just spawning trillions of the same attack at every angle possible and even puts attacks in past future and present to attack hidden enemies and can make it where enemies can never hit him which is probability superior than saber luck attack and if you want to argue that saber can heal all of the damage she can’t since super tengon toppa gurren lagann would obliterate her and the multiverse in one attack oh and he can throw universes at you and remember he is 11 dimensional so saber probably won’t be able to comprehend what he is get near him out speed him or be able to damage him unless the plot says so and also since we don’t know the extent of the universe or multiverse his size is incomprehensible since the multiverse could be infinite so low ball is 11-12 dimensional high ball is infinite scale infinite speed infinite durability infinite strength since the multiverse would be beyond the universe which probably has no end and since there’s a theory the universe and multiverse infinitely expands and than contracts and explodes making a new universe we can say that super tengon toppa gurren lagann power might be infinitely growing and might be beyond infinite or maybe infinite+++ and you got his mega drill which is 1 octillion times bigger than his body and since his size is technically infinite his mega drill is 1 octillion times bigger than infinite and than destroys hundreds of multiverse and recreating them and also that’s another power he can just create and destroy multiverses meaning he is a literal god and can just poof you if he wants to so he has probably overcome the concepts of size, probability, speed, strength, creation, destruction. Which is way more concepts than saber has overcame she has only overcame one concept and has a weapon that is the concept of victory which still wouldn’t make her win and her healing wouldn’t matter and in human form he can make a drill out of his own blood which killed the 11 dimensional god in human form by the way human form. So reply to this comment and try to reason how saber could ever possibly win even with plot armor on her side and the power of friendship because that’s the only chance she has
Excalibur is the strongest noble phantasm and she should also be as strong as Proto Arthur who one shots Whore of Babylon which is one of the strongest Beasts and defeating a single beast alone is a way way better feat than any feat seth listed on artoria
Dang that’s crazy, thank you for sharing.
Giorno: I'm gonna IGNORE that
Gets clapped by weaker Servants already😂
Filthy secondaries scaling fate characters with out of context statements. Kinda ridiculous if I ask me.
Go check the video comments mana is getting blasted and he doubles downs on his kojiro points
@@amari7782 that just only proves that he only knows th surface lvl of the series while acting confident that he know the deep shitss bout the series
@@jeyvel5301 he deadass tried to say that artoria>sefar>ccc servants>~bb( other than Gil)(saber>sefar>Amaterasu=regalia>arcuied>Buddha=kiara> mythological mystic code>bb
@@amari7782 The fact that he disregard that Excalibur's 13 seal can only be released against alien entity already says alot. He also said that ccc servants are stronger that BB while it takes a mmc and school building resources just to negate her 10 crown, and the fact that he says Amaterasu > BB is so ridiculous lmao
@@jeyvel5301 Except he ignores Excalibur almost entirely lol.
believe it or not there are still a lot of verses that would clap saber and her entire verse
Bobobo for sure
Name one?
@@chuckthecuck4414 scp verse
@chuckthecuck4414 World of darkness, DC, MARVEL, twin peaks, SMT, Madaverse, dark tower, SCP, Elder scrolls, VampirehunterD, transformers (comics), World of warcraft. All of these would be in the discussion where it would be a fight. And a few others no doubt
@@yuwannaknownodrip5079 though I agree with some of those and disagree with others, its all just a coping mechanism it seems, not in an offensive way of course, its just that, no one denied that there are other fictions/verses/characters that can beat fate, people are just setting up this strawman argument to knock down when the statement "saber solos fiction" isn't inherently a negation to other fictional characters that could solo fiction too, and saber isn't even the strongest in her verse no less.
When i see titles like this, I'm not sure weither to be disappointed or question their intelligence, like "strongest character ever", let's see She beats Wukong the monkey king that holds all of existence in the palm of his hands and is a boundless entity, she beats TDK who transcends even the events of Final crisis where the plot literally makes it so no one can win against the villain and he scales above that, Saber beating him?, oh don't forget Xeno goku the man that's restricted to base form cuz if he goes any higher he'll threaten to destroy beyond infinite Time, and scales above sealas who can reset everything including the real world which would make him 2 layers into boundless, not to mention he has statements of being the "Win condition" like when bro pulls up u automatically win, he slammed stage 3 demigra in base who was going to destroy the realm world, he's equal and higher than Fu who went to the charisma world which views even the real world as fiction meaning this can be interpreted as either 3 layers into boundless or infinite layers into boundless, did I forget to mention he has hax such as boundary manipulation, reality manipulation, probability, concept, time, he can create or destroy perfect miracles, hax don't work on him, magic don't work on him, bro I hate when people don't know wat they talkin bout and I ain't even talk bout the strongest 1s, for reference Xeno goku the strongest 1 I talked bout here gets breathed out of existence by GFG 🤦♂️ and u got people stating Saber who scales 8D at best who isn't even beating dbs Goku cuz either u take the low ball argument which would mean goku slaps or u take the Outerversal arguments in which goku slaps their whole Timeline silly
Not to mention even in her own anime and manga she's not stronger than Gilgamesh 💀
Sht side not she ain't a bad wife so I apologise for cooking u saber even though u should be doing that but u can't
Seth is just blabbering to make himself relevant again
thanks for contributing? I guess? hope you feel better after getting that off your chest.
crazy thing is goku still solos
nah im just kidding but it wouldnt be powerscaling video without a comment like this
@@animoments8969 No your right Servants literally cant destroy a Planet Goku can in his base form now just so you know this is coming from who has watched all of fate and played a few of its games.
@@animoments8969 Also Gokus Feats are beyond Sabers.
@@ANTI_ATHEISTbro y’all do understand that celestial bodies in most verses
@@ANTI_ATHEIST First, Earth in the Nasuverse is it's own weird type of reality thing that is far more than just a planet, and second, yes, there are multiple servants with the firepower to completely destroy all of Earth, but if they tried as servants Alaya or Gaia (2 separate Counterforces) would step in and either drain them of energy, erase them entirely, and if they tried while alive the Counterforces would just send buffed Counter-guardians or Divine beasts after them.
Gil's Ea, Alteras Photon Ray, and so many more could easily destroy Earth if it weren't for the Counterforce (Though Artoria Saber likely wouldn't, since Excalibur was literally forged by Earth to act as it's defence mechanism, so if she tried it would probably just turn off, though Artoria Lancer might be able to with Rhongomyniad.)
I'm certain most, if not all, the Dragon Ball characters would get nuked out of existence if they tried messing with Earth in Fate, the Counterforces don't play any games.