Prime Flair was on a different level than everyone else. The fact that Joseph can be like 'yeah, Flair had no one to work with and he was clearly half-assing it' and still put him in the top 10 is next level shit.
Prime Flair has two eras 70's and 80's. 1978 Flair vs Steamboat over US title is quicker paced then Flair vs Steamboat 1989. IMO Flair's top opponents Steamboat, Windham, Terry Funk, Rhodes and Race. All different matches, all good, all famous, all drew money. Id challenge anyone to have a better run than Ric Flair from 1984 to 1985 as the traveling NWA champion. The schedule alone would impair most talent. Working 60 minutes almost every night from May 24 1984 to July 14th? 1986. How did he avoid injury? Flair to my recollection spent very little time on injury list.
I love your mature approach to wrestling - few people on the web talk about wrestling in depth way and after studying it. Great video and I hope to see many more as well! 😃
I feel like the no-selling of kendo sticks works because it's not fake. It's not like no selling worked punches or a finishing move, she is really getting whacked with kendo sticks and acting like it don't hurt.
God I love Bull Nakano more & more! And just for her taking kendo stick shots like a BOSS confirms more why! Love the video my friend absolutely brilliant definitely some matches I'll need to check out. 😊
Honestly, it was cool to see you do this and it was nice that people like Aja and Bull got a mention, too, honestly, if you ever finish the Walking The King's Road series, maybe you could do something on the rise of Bull Nakano from just a simple thug palling around with Dump Matsumoto to an out of control monster heel feuding with Aja Kong and such. Also, I'll always pop for praise for Fuichi, that man might be the most underrated puro wrestler of all time.
This is an amazing video, i was very surprise and to see El Dandy and El Satanico so high in the list, i'm currently a student of El Satanico and it´s so great to see that around the world he is well known
Update: I have now officially been let into PWO. (If this were Twitter, imagine that I illustrated this by attaching the clip of Ishingun storming the AJPW ring after Funks vs Hansen/Brody, 12/8/1984.) I promise not to oversaturate future years in this project of yours with hitherto unadded match topics, though I make no promises about the Cagematch matchguide.
Some other matches from 1990 that I enjoyed thoroughly: - Harley Saito vs. Shinobu Kandori (JWP 7/19/1990) - Atsushi Onita & Tarzan Goto vs. Masanobu Kurisu & Kendo Nagasaki (FMW 4/1/90) - Gran Hamada vs. Blue Panther (Hamadas UWF) - Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs. Nobuhiko Takada (UWF 2/27/1990) - Tenryu vs. George Takano, SWS 10/19/90 - Finlay & Marty Jones vs. Mile Zrno & Franz Schuhmann, Vienna 8/3/1990 - Miss A & Harley Saito vs. Shinobu Kandori & Rumi Kazama (JWP 10/10/90) - Mogur vs. Pierroth Jr. (EMLLL 1/12/1990)
Fujiwara vs Takada usually is the best match-up narrative wise in that era of shoot style. I prefer the Maeda v Takada matches but there is a lack of a clear narrative if I'm honest. Fujiwara is so entertaining to watch.
I recently saw some of the matches on your Top 20 list. The 6 man from May 26 is a hell of a gem. The 6 man from October 19 is amazing. I prefer the FAD 91 match more but still amazing for a match under 30 minutes. Vader/Choshu was a pretty kickass 10 minute title match. I even checked out Hokuto vs Toyota from the Grand Prix and christ that knee had to have been in pain but god damnit I admire her grit in wanting to continue. Definetly wanna watch some AJW and EMLL from this year.
You know, since I discovered your walking the king's road series via the UA-cam algorithm, I have been GORGING myself on your channel and you compose incredible, focused, digestible and compelling stories about wrestling and specifically NON AMERICAN wrestling that I am just ELECTRIFIED by. Your use of slang and vernacular is well played and your punctuative style of narration is like EAR CANDY to me. But I've got to say, my favorite moment so far was when you said what you said at 24:48. Having built up watching DOZENS of your videos, I was NOT ready for how sincerely you delivered that line and how VERY quickly I'm going to go watch that match XD Goddamn Joseph. Keep up the INCREDIBLE content as I sit back and watch your subscriber count climb to the stratospheric heights it DESERVES. Bravo!
Great video! I am going to watch all of these matches. You should do 1994! Although WWF and WCW dip(I assume), it would be awesome to see what else is there to watch.
I'm back to dish on a "fun" fact about your #7: when the Fantastics hit that Doomsday Device on Kikuchi where Rogers fell with it, the back of his head slammed into Kikuchi's groin and ruptured a testicle. That's why he's nowhere to be seen in October.
Was born in 06 and I like warrior vs Hogan quite a bit. It's no masterpiece but watching two wrestling mega stars trade moves while the entire sky dome goes ballistic is a fun watch
If you're gonna do more years are you planning on doing them randomly or in chronological order starting from 1990? If your answer is the former, how about 2005?
Started watching and reading wrestling magazines in 86/87 the late 80z was golden..i remember when The Great Muta hit the scene and Flair vs Steamboat then Terry Funk piledrived Flair on the table which started the feud. Flair Sting Muta Luger Nikita Andre Ted Dibase Macho Man Stan Hanson just to name a few..WWF/E NWA WCW WCCW USWA AWA ACW PWF IWGP WWC ECW STAMPEDE OVW RIP GREAT PROMOTIONS GREAT MATCHES GREAT WRESTLERS GREAT ERA....Hogan Vs Andre was a wicked hype i remember tryn to watch and listen at my aunts because she had cable 📺 and we was poor with regular tv and i was tryn to listen thru the static because she had the channel but didnt get the pay perview and the magazines kept me up to date i really do miss those years. The 90z was great also then 2000 it kinda started to suck..now days its trash in my opinion. I think ROH AEW are a goid alternative to the Lame WWE. And also didnt mean to offend any fans performers or promotions. I love n loved old school wrestling. Flair n Hogan will go down in history along with Lou Theuz Nick Bockwinkle Bruno Samartino Bob Backlund etc lil before my time wrestlers Hogan Flair is my Era. Good Video and references. Thanks for uploading. Whos your fav wrestler? I think mine was crap so many no order..Muta Sabu Van Dam Kabuki Flair Laparka Ultimo Dragon Harley Race Crusher Baron von Rashke. Tag team Demolition Road Warriors Powers of Pain Terry Gordy n Dr Death Midnite Express. Groups Four Horseman Nwo Heenan Family. Fav Managers was Bobby the Brain Slick Jim Conette JjDillon Gary Hart.
By virtue of Mitsuharu Misawa’s victory over Jumbo Tsuruta, Misawa is on his way to make it to the top of the All Japan food chain and he became brand new star that the company could rely on to lead them to greatness in the unforeseeable future
Id challenge anyone to find another resume like Flair's! Who else has faced Race, Steamboat, Piper, Dusty, both Funks, every great in peak AJPW, plus Inoki & Muta in NJPW, Colon in WWC, all the Von Erichs, then Hogan, Taker, Austin, HHH, Cena, pretty much all of this list was in career peak and I didnt even include his Nitro era! NO ONE has this resume. It bridges eras of the business.
Absolutely incredible video! Seeing 90s Minoru Suzuki is eye-opening. I have no idea how hot this take is but can a case be made that Suzuki is the greatest of all time? His longevity (Going on four decades), quality of in-ring work, and character are amazing.
Well Suzuki didn't wrestle for most of the 90s, going into MMA. He really only started wrestling full-time again in 2004. So in reality, it's only 16 years with an asterisk attached.
@M C I feel like that adds to his legacy as well. Was great in professional wrestling. Helped pioneer MMA in Japan and was successful in that world. Then came back to professional wrestling and became one of the greats in a 15+ year career. Daniel Bryan and Shawn Michaels had to retire for multiple years in the middle of their careers and they are still considered to be the GOATs.
Yay! More homework! But unlike school work this is something I have an interest in. Also, my tweet about how the thumbnail screams "Full of Color" again is kind of proven accurate. Puro, Lucha, Joshi, Old School N.A. and now shoot-style.
With all due respect, but 50 (?) commercial breaks during a 60 minute video are just too much. I stopped after 10 minutes because it was so annoying. Don't overdo it. Sorry, man.
There are too much but the video is awesome and there is a lot of work in it to not watch it because of that. Edit: also now I only see less than 20 so I think is more than fair
Hogan and Warrior is still so much fun all these years later. I was born in 84 and started watching wrestling in 1988. I feel bad for newer fans who didn’t watch at that time because it truly was the golden era that you just can’t understand or appreciate unless you lived in that moment.
Joseph I was wondering if you were going to cover the current ROH Pure Tournament that's been going or just your thoughts on ROH bringing back The Pure Title and the Pure Stipulation in general. Also also if you could some 90's New Japan as well. Also this video was insane nearly as long as your Jay White Collab video with Forrest.
I know people don't like to copy other people style and their way to go about producing things...well that's not entirely true, but I digress. Anyways you should take a page outta OSW's playbook and do their style with some Japanese and L.L matches. Just have the match play on the screen and give some facts and info about the wrestlers, the match, ect, ect... I think you'd turn more people on to the two companies and styles .
Preferred Fujiwara vs Yamazaki from 4/15 to the Takada match, but I appreciated the escalation when both Fujiwara and Takada were down to their last legs in their match. That, Kong/Kimura vs Bull Iwamoto, and Dandy vs Satanico apuesta are an easy top 3 for 1990. I'd say 96-97 have 90 beat out as overall years, largely for the sheer volume from Japan and Mexico (Santo vs Casas, Kobashi vs Misawa, most of the available RINGS & Battlarts from these years). Funaki >>>> Suzuki though, the Suzuki d-riding is pea-brained behavior.
I think people need to come to terms that wrestling will never regain the popularity it held during the 20th century. It might teeter a little up and down but mainly the most likely scenario is that it will slowly decrease in viewers every year
On you point about your lack of nostalgia for the time period affecting your view on Hogan/Warrior at WMVI (Haven’t seen the SS match so I can’t speak for that one), I was born in 2002, and sat down in the dying days of the Network and watched this match and I had a good time with it. It felt like a clash between two titans of equal strength, and is one of Warrior’s better matches. I will concede that it’s about a ***1/4 at best though. I might enjoy it just because I’m a sucker for Hulk’s repetitive cartoony schtick though. Hell, I looooove Hogan/André at WM3 (I will admit though, in a vacuum, no backstory, no Hogan sell job (his best attribute), no hotter-than-the-sun crowd, that match is godawful), so maybe I’m just dumb.
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Thank you. This is awesome.
Prime Flair was on a different level than everyone else. The fact that Joseph can be like 'yeah, Flair had no one to work with and he was clearly half-assing it' and still put him in the top 10 is next level shit.
Prime Flair has two eras 70's and 80's. 1978 Flair vs Steamboat over US title is quicker paced then Flair vs Steamboat 1989. IMO Flair's top opponents Steamboat, Windham, Terry Funk, Rhodes and Race. All different matches, all good, all famous, all drew money. Id challenge anyone to have a better run than Ric Flair from 1984 to 1985 as the traveling NWA champion. The schedule alone would impair most talent. Working 60 minutes almost every night from May 24 1984 to July 14th? 1986. How did he avoid injury? Flair to my recollection spent very little time on injury list.
Your joy when talking about the top 20 lists is infectious, chicken soup for the wrestling soul
I love your mature approach to wrestling - few people on the web talk about wrestling in depth way and after studying it. Great video and I hope to see many more as well! 😃
Just the shot of Bull Nakano no selling the cane shots solidified her place as a badass.
I feel like the no-selling of kendo sticks works because it's not fake. It's not like no selling worked punches or a finishing move, she is really getting whacked with kendo sticks and acting like it don't hurt.
"That all you got?"
As a great man once said, who are you to doubt El Dandy?:
God I love Bull Nakano more & more! And just for her taking kendo stick shots like a BOSS confirms more why! Love the video my friend absolutely brilliant definitely some matches I'll need to check out. 😊
I will repeat this dream match again:
Fuchi vs Suzuki: Battle of the mean old men
Honestly, it was cool to see you do this and it was nice that people like Aja and Bull got a mention, too, honestly, if you ever finish the Walking The King's Road series, maybe you could do something on the rise of Bull Nakano from just a simple thug palling around with Dump Matsumoto to an out of control monster heel feuding with Aja Kong and such. Also, I'll always pop for praise for Fuichi, that man might be the most underrated puro wrestler of all time.
This is an amazing video, i was very surprise and to see El Dandy and El Satanico so high in the list, i'm currently a student of El Satanico and it´s so great to see that around the world he is well known
Man, and I thought I was original for lurking PWO to look for matches to watch.
Update: I have now officially been let into PWO. (If this were Twitter, imagine that I illustrated this by attaching the clip of Ishingun storming the AJPW ring after Funks vs Hansen/Brody, 12/8/1984.) I promise not to oversaturate future years in this project of yours with hitherto unadded match topics, though I make no promises about the Cagematch matchguide.
IQ wrestler plus Joseph Montecillo, I feel like the wrestling world is a little more united now.
Some other matches from 1990 that I enjoyed thoroughly:
- Harley Saito vs. Shinobu Kandori (JWP 7/19/1990)
- Atsushi Onita & Tarzan Goto vs. Masanobu Kurisu & Kendo Nagasaki (FMW 4/1/90)
- Gran Hamada vs. Blue Panther (Hamadas UWF)
- Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs. Nobuhiko Takada (UWF 2/27/1990)
- Tenryu vs. George Takano, SWS 10/19/90
- Finlay & Marty Jones vs. Mile Zrno & Franz Schuhmann, Vienna 8/3/1990
- Miss A & Harley Saito vs. Shinobu Kandori & Rumi Kazama (JWP 10/10/90)
- Mogur vs. Pierroth Jr. (EMLLL 1/12/1990)
Fujiwara vs Takada usually is the best match-up narrative wise in that era of shoot style. I prefer the Maeda v Takada matches but there is a lack of a clear narrative if I'm honest. Fujiwara is so entertaining to watch.
24:48 is maybe a perfect distillation of the persuasive power of direct language.
I recently saw some of the matches on your Top 20 list. The 6 man from May 26 is a hell of a gem. The 6 man from October 19 is amazing. I prefer the FAD 91 match more but still amazing for a match under 30 minutes. Vader/Choshu was a pretty kickass 10 minute title match. I even checked out Hokuto vs Toyota from the Grand Prix and christ that knee had to have been in pain but god damnit I admire her grit in wanting to continue. Definetly wanna watch some AJW and EMLL from this year.
OMG this video is absolutely amazing , you are the best wrestling youtuber ever.
You know, since I discovered your walking the king's road series via the UA-cam algorithm, I have been GORGING myself on your channel and you compose incredible, focused, digestible and compelling stories about wrestling and specifically NON AMERICAN wrestling that I am just ELECTRIFIED by. Your use of slang and vernacular is well played and your punctuative style of narration is like EAR CANDY to me. But I've got to say, my favorite moment so far was when you said what you said at 24:48. Having built up watching DOZENS of your videos, I was NOT ready for how sincerely you delivered that line and how VERY quickly I'm going to go watch that match XD Goddamn Joseph. Keep up the INCREDIBLE content as I sit back and watch your subscriber count climb to the stratospheric heights it DESERVES. Bravo!
Great video! I am going to watch all of these matches. You should do 1994! Although WWF and WCW dip(I assume), it would be awesome to see what else is there to watch.
Loved this video ! I hope to see this return for other years !
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I'm back to dish on a "fun" fact about your #7: when the Fantastics hit that Doomsday Device on Kikuchi where Rogers fell with it, the back of his head slammed into Kikuchi's groin and ruptured a testicle. That's why he's nowhere to be seen in October.
Holy shit Well done! I might have to watch it in parts
Was born in 06 and I like warrior vs Hogan quite a bit. It's no masterpiece but watching two wrestling mega stars trade moves while the entire sky dome goes ballistic is a fun watch
This Was amazing , thank you!!!!!
If you're gonna do more years are you planning on doing them randomly or in chronological order starting from 1990? If your answer is the former, how about 2005?
Absolutely love the video can't wait for you to do more videos like this 4 wrestling years
I don’t know what became of that Suzuki fella. but I know one thing for sure, there’s no way he’d still be stealing the show 30 years later.
Started watching and reading wrestling magazines in 86/87 the late 80z was golden..i remember when The Great Muta hit the scene and Flair vs Steamboat then Terry Funk piledrived Flair on the table which started the feud. Flair Sting Muta Luger Nikita Andre Ted Dibase Macho Man Stan Hanson just to name a few..WWF/E NWA WCW WCCW USWA AWA ACW PWF IWGP WWC ECW STAMPEDE OVW RIP GREAT PROMOTIONS GREAT MATCHES GREAT WRESTLERS GREAT ERA....Hogan Vs Andre was a wicked hype i remember tryn to watch and listen at my aunts because she had cable 📺 and we was poor with regular tv and i was tryn to listen thru the static because she had the channel but didnt get the pay perview and the magazines kept me up to date i really do miss those years. The 90z was great also then 2000 it kinda started to suck..now days its trash in my opinion. I think ROH AEW are a goid alternative to the Lame WWE. And also didnt mean to offend any fans performers or promotions. I love n loved old school wrestling. Flair n Hogan will go down in history along with Lou Theuz Nick Bockwinkle Bruno Samartino Bob Backlund etc lil before my time wrestlers Hogan Flair is my Era. Good Video and references. Thanks for uploading. Whos your fav wrestler? I think mine was crap so many no order..Muta Sabu Van Dam Kabuki Flair Laparka Ultimo Dragon Harley Race Crusher Baron von Rashke. Tag team Demolition Road Warriors Powers of Pain Terry Gordy n Dr Death Midnite Express. Groups Four Horseman Nwo Heenan Family. Fav Managers was Bobby the Brain Slick Jim Conette JjDillon Gary Hart.
This is A1 content keep doing what your doing your really good!
By virtue of Mitsuharu Misawa’s victory over Jumbo Tsuruta, Misawa is on his way to make it to the top of the All Japan food chain and he became brand new star that the company could rely on to lead them to greatness in the unforeseeable future
I love this video i would love to see you do a video on 1991
Hmm
Much respect for this!
Thank you, sir!
44:16 mark, truer words never spoken. Bull Nakano fucking rules.
And of course to top it off, Undertaker debuted in 1990
this is quality content
TSURUTA-OH!
Id challenge anyone to find another resume like Flair's! Who else has faced Race, Steamboat, Piper, Dusty, both Funks, every great in peak AJPW, plus Inoki & Muta in NJPW, Colon in WWC, all the Von Erichs, then Hogan, Taker, Austin, HHH, Cena, pretty much all of this list was in career peak and I didnt even include his Nitro era! NO ONE has this resume. It bridges eras of the business.
Absolutely incredible video! Seeing 90s Minoru Suzuki is eye-opening. I have no idea how hot this take is but can a case be made that Suzuki is the greatest of all time? His longevity (Going on four decades), quality of in-ring work, and character are amazing.
Well Suzuki didn't wrestle for most of the 90s, going into MMA. He really only started wrestling full-time again in 2004. So in reality, it's only 16 years with an asterisk attached.
@M C I feel like that adds to his legacy as well. Was great in professional wrestling. Helped pioneer MMA in Japan and was successful in that world. Then came back to professional wrestling and became one of the greats in a 15+ year career. Daniel Bryan and Shawn Michaels had to retire for multiple years in the middle of their careers and they are still considered to be the GOATs.
@@MrBonzeMedal I think you should seperate his MMA career and his wrestling career though.
Yay! More homework! But unlike school work this is something I have an interest in. Also, my tweet about how the thumbnail screams "Full of Color" again is kind of proven accurate. Puro, Lucha, Joshi, Old School N.A. and now shoot-style.
Well that like came in quick. 35 seconds. Damn shon.
Dude young Suzuki was such a hunk
Facts only
Is there anywhere we can access that 200 match watchlist?
With all due respect, but 50 (?) commercial breaks during a 60 minute video are just too much. I stopped after 10 minutes because it was so annoying. Don't overdo it. Sorry, man.
@@kingfathersuperstillhatesk7349 Me too, but not on my phone.
There are too much but the video is awesome and there is a lot of work in it to not watch it because of that.
Edit: also now I only see less than 20 so I think is more than fair
I didn't get any commercials...
I turned them off.
Joseph Montecillo did you see what happened to Tyler ken Williams? Glad he has his channel back
Cool. Coolie cool cool. Just be that charming and well spoken and knowledgeable and good at writing things. That's fine.... I'm fine
Can we get more lists for other years of wrestling like the rest of the 90s?
Yes
@@JosephMontecilloYT Cool. Thanks for responding.
I don’t think that Suzuki guy really has a long career in him I think he’s just a flash in the pan.
He’s so upset that he never made it to the big leagues that he started beating up rookies due to mounting frustrations regarding his career
And what's this MMA thing he invented? Real fights? Who wants to pay to see that crap? He's gonna get his ass kicked, anyways!
16:50 you say you talk about no selling in other videos, and after quickly looking I cant find which of those videos that is
I mention it in relation to fighting spirit and a bunch of the King's Road stuff.
1989 was the best by a mile
Terry Gordy suffered a drug overdose on a airplane that effected his brain sometime in 1990. Before that he was probably the best big man in wrestling
Hogan and Warrior is still so much fun all these years later. I was born in 84 and started watching wrestling in 1988. I feel bad for newer fans who didn’t watch at that time because it truly was the golden era that you just can’t understand or appreciate unless you lived in that moment.
1990 best year
Then came 2022
Joseph I was wondering if you were going to cover the current ROH Pure Tournament that's been going or just your thoughts on ROH bringing back The Pure Title and the Pure Stipulation in general.
Also also if you could some 90's New Japan as well.
Also this video was insane nearly as long as your Jay White Collab video with Forrest.
You better but some respect on the man called Sting.
Why?
@@SSVCloud Did you not watch the video?? He pretty much crap on Sting.
@@ThrashAD720 no, I mean why put respect on Sting's name
I know people don't like to copy other people style and their way to go about producing things...well that's not entirely true, but I digress. Anyways you should take a page outta OSW's playbook and do their style with some Japanese and L.L matches. Just have the match play on the screen and give some facts and info about the wrestlers, the match, ect, ect... I think you'd turn more people on to the two companies and styles .
how about 1991 The Year's Best in Wrestling
So... when is 1991s list?
Sometime next year probably
@@JosephMontecilloYT Can't wait this list was excellent
Preferred Fujiwara vs Yamazaki from 4/15 to the Takada match, but I appreciated the escalation when both Fujiwara and Takada were down to their last legs in their match. That, Kong/Kimura vs Bull Iwamoto, and Dandy vs Satanico apuesta are an easy top 3 for 1990. I'd say 96-97 have 90 beat out as overall years, largely for the sheer volume from Japan and Mexico (Santo vs Casas, Kobashi vs Misawa, most of the available RINGS & Battlarts from these years).
Funaki >>>> Suzuki though, the Suzuki d-riding is pea-brained behavior.
I think people need to come to terms that wrestling will never regain the popularity it held during the 20th century. It might teeter a little up and down but mainly the most likely scenario is that it will slowly decrease in viewers every year
On you point about your lack of nostalgia for the time period affecting your view on Hogan/Warrior at WMVI (Haven’t seen the SS match so I can’t speak for that one), I was born in 2002, and sat down in the dying days of the Network and watched this match and I had a good time with it. It felt like a clash between two titans of equal strength, and is one of Warrior’s better matches. I will concede that it’s about a ***1/4 at best though. I might enjoy it just because I’m a sucker for Hulk’s repetitive cartoony schtick though. Hell, I looooove Hogan/André at WM3 (I will admit though, in a vacuum, no backstory, no Hogan sell job (his best attribute), no hotter-than-the-sun crowd, that match is godawful), so maybe I’m just dumb.
Let’s be real, Hulk Hogan was the best wrestler of 1990
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