This helps a lot, thank you Robert. There is surprisingly little content on GR vs GT86 on YT and the little there is really isn't half nearly as detailed as your vid. Better stability control system on the new one is really tempting.
Different between GR86 and GT86 is night and day. New GR is overall next level. It's more comfortable, no more torque dip, more powerful, better new interior, lot stiffer, better on track, better on country roads, better in city driving. And it looks lot better and adult, not like hot wheels car for kid's... That's a reality, only 1 thing is better in GT86, and that is steering feel
Just picking up on your comment about the 86 not having gas struts for the bonnet. The stay seems to work OK, is there any advantage in having gas struts (that will eventually fail) beyond convienience? I'm a fan of 'simple that works'.
I suppose not as the struts would be heavier too. But I like them as cars like that have their bonnet opened more frequently, so the convience helps a little.
I've always favoured Subaru over the Toyota. The new BRZ is available too, any chance you can have a test run with the BRZ to see if there are any differences besides the badge Robert?
Unlikely - from what I've seen there are more differences than in the previous gen, but I don't imagine they'd play out in massively significant ways driving. I'd go the BRZ on price and availability!
Hi thanks for this test, very useful can you advise on the following: I plan to buy old model GT86 for mainly trackday use Should something be changed or is stock OK ? I am reading about oil cooling issues ? Would buy the second gen. Rgs
Change the pads to track/street and the fluid to high performance. Get a second set of wheels and fit track street tyres such as A052s see my review on them. Then have fun!
@@cayman9815 20 min break, 20 min. race, 4x times in a day max. No handbrake when resting. No coilover added. Engine and brakes are stock. 78000 km, well maintained car.
Robert, still not clear to me if the old GT86 needs an oil cooler for track day use ? Does your GT86 have one ? Reading the Internet, most say it does need an oil cooler & other engine oil pls advise
This helps a lot, thank you Robert. There is surprisingly little content on GR vs GT86 on YT and the little there is really isn't half nearly as detailed as your vid. Better stability control system on the new one is really tempting.
Glad it was helpful! Please share 👍
Different between GR86 and GT86 is night and day. New GR is overall next level. It's more comfortable, no more torque dip, more powerful, better new interior, lot stiffer, better on track, better on country roads, better in city driving. And it looks lot better and adult, not like hot wheels car for kid's... That's a reality, only 1 thing is better in GT86, and that is steering feel
I subbed that was entertaining!
Other reviewers have said the 1st gen has better steering.
I don't agree
Driven both, I agree that the 1st Gen has better steering feel. It does have a more raw driving feel, although it is slower.
Love the gt86
Especially when it rains 😈
Just picking up on your comment about the 86 not having gas struts for the bonnet. The stay seems to work OK, is there any advantage in having gas struts (that will eventually fail) beyond convienience?
I'm a fan of 'simple that works'.
I suppose not as the struts would be heavier too. But I like them as cars like that have their bonnet opened more frequently, so the convience helps a little.
Bravo!! My friend!! BRAVO!!!
Good video mate
Thanks 👍
I've always favoured Subaru over the Toyota. The new BRZ is available too, any chance you can have a test run with the BRZ to see if there are any differences besides the badge Robert?
Unlikely - from what I've seen there are more differences than in the previous gen, but I don't imagine they'd play out in massively significant ways driving. I'd go the BRZ on price and availability!
I prefer the gt86
Idk if its the accent, but i think this guy knows what he's talking about
First time ever anyone has complimented my accent!
Fun, but I get tired in the city traffic and speed bumps 😅
That Toyota logo in the steering wheel is a little bit too much for me. I love the 86 badge on my catfish.
I have an important question, what kinda animal makes that sound at 1:53?
Drop bear
Do I understand correctly that you are comparing a 2012 model with brand new model?
You understand correctly.
Hi
thanks for this test, very useful
can you advise on the following:
I plan to buy old model GT86 for mainly trackday use
Should something be changed or is stock OK ?
I am reading about oil cooling issues ?
Would buy the second gen.
Rgs
Change the pads to track/street and the fluid to high performance. Get a second set of wheels and fit track street tyres such as A052s see my review on them. Then have fun!
Stock GT86 is fine. Never had any problem with it on track days. Rest the engine and brakes every 20 min.
@@jbalgo
thx
how much time you rest the car after 20min tracktime ?
and how many repetitions a day ?
so no extra oil cooler needed?
rgs
@@cayman9815 20 min break, 20 min. race, 4x times in a day max. No handbrake when resting. No coilover added. Engine and brakes are stock. 78000 km, well maintained car.
I don't find the stock brakes can handle that duty cycle!
Robert,
still not clear to me if the old GT86 needs an oil cooler for track day use ?
Does your GT86 have one ?
Reading the Internet, most say it does need an oil cooler & other engine oil
pls advise
I never needed one in my car. Just regular changes. However I kept my car stock.
@@L2SFBC
and you drive on track?
how often?
Yes I did a lot of Track days with the 86 maybe 70 over ten years.
@@L2SFBC
and this with standard car and no issues ?
great news
how about the cabin noise?. Is the GR86 has improve the cabin noise over gt86?
Yes
Unfortunately, they still use watercolor for paint as most Japanese makers do.
The gt86 is a 2 the gr86 is a 7 and if you supercharge it its a 9 out of 10. So more fun then virtually anything
The gt86 is a “2”? That’s a major exaggeration…
Are u dumb
If you are thinking the GR86 needs supercharger, you absolutely don't understand that car... If you want power and grip, buy Porsche
They are NOT Prius tires for the flock's sake!!!! These were HP tires.
Comparing a Mustang to a sports car? Really?
People do compare the two and if you just want a cruise car you may choose either. But as I said...it' won't have the dynamics.