WE SECRETLY STRUNG COACH ANDREWS TENNIS RACKET AT 24LBS / 11KG LIKE MANNARINO... SEE WHAT HAPPENS
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- We strung Coach Andrew Gu's tennis racket at 24lbs / 11kg. How does it feel to string Adrian Mannarino's tension?
Thank you Coach Andrew for letting me experiment on your racket.
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I’m starting to like where this channel is going, pranks 😂
Mannarino also is known for previously being like 22 in the world and played on tour with only one racket and had no tennis racket sponsor so he went on Twitter and asked people to give him their aero drives.
He will never break strings at that tension so why carry more than 1 racket I guess
I believe it wasn't that he didn't have a sponsor, but that Babolat didn't make his preferred racquet anymore; not even for him; nor did they have it in stock anymore.
_"Mannarino quite famously asked his Twitter followers if any company still had stock of his racquet of choice, the Babolat Aero Pro Drive 2013 edition._
_According to the Babolat rep on TW Forums, Mannarino they tried to make him switch to the Babolat Pure Aero or get him to use a paint job, but he didn’t like it for some reason. Even the Babolat stock of the Aero Pro Drive was nonexistent. Quite a curious situation for a player ranked in the top 30!"_
Had two racquets with him for matches.
@@Cynnik911 he mentioned that due to the low tension the quality of the stringbed is gone quite fast so that´s why he needed more of them 🙂
@@Cynnik911 not true, i break strings every 30 min with real hitting at these tensions. the string is looser and moves more because of it.
You should have said in the intro
"Welcome to tennis spin, where we put my spin on Andrew's racket" 😆
It's Mannarino's spin.
Good stuff. Should be more ‘reviews’ featuring tension not just strings and racquets. I’ve gradually gone down from 55 to 40 in Prince txt tour 100p with full poly. loving it.
fun idea: try other strings on 25lbs and see if the feel/power for the strings differ from standard tension
I guess this is good for serving too. Plus, if you get used to it, I think you’ll get more speed out of it. I used to be at 27 kilos too. I’m down to 16 now. It works great. No control issues at all.
24lbs is 10kg
Bravo great episode; love guys like Manrino!! I think ill try this tension too!!!
Love this video and can't wait to hear the follow up. Interesting that the balls seem less heavy for coach because I recall Nadal mentioning that Manarino's shots are actually quite heavy in his recent post match interview. I have been asking my shop to lower tension on each restring and this last time the stringer said that he has seen warranty claims declined in cases where racquet was strung below recommended range (I use Extreme MP with 52-62 lbs range). I had him string at 52 but would like to explore lower unless his warranty statement holds true.
I'm calling bs on your stringer's statement that warranty claims have been declined due to stringing below the minimum recommended tension. Stringing over the recommended tension and putting too much stress on the frame, I can see, but below the recommended tension? 🐂💩
@@JW-bw8nj Smelled funny to me as well but I figured I would double check with another shop to see if they have ever experienced this.
@@JW-bw8nj Agreed! It would be just the opposite. I have to believe 55 lbs., right in the middle of most recommended tensions, would put more stress on the frame than 30 or 40 something.
@@payamirani5298 I used to work in a tennis shop for 10 years and have personally sent many Head, Wilson, Prince, Babolat, etc rackets in for warranty claims. Not sure why, but your stringer was trying to pull one over on you. 🤷🏽♂️
@@JW-bw8nj I appreciate the insight. Then I will continue reducing tension gradually each restring to see how it feels and see where I end up.
Awesome! I've never been bold enough to go way, way down in tension like Mannarino, even though I string my own racquets. I've gone down as low as 44 lbs and found that while I have decent feel and normal shots are very easy, whenever I wanted to put some extra oomph on the ball it usually went out or I put too much top on it and it landed short with not a lot of speed. For some reason (just like Harry) my optimal tension (for polys) seems to be 48 lbs.
Yup I have hyper-g at 48lbs on all my sticks
Agree. Mine is also with hyper g 48 lbs. I tried once at 38lbs and it played fine till it reach maybe 33 lbs and i felt at that moment that i needed to swing bigger to get more power. My guess is that lower tension = more power to a certain point. After that when there is almost no tension anymore , it is the opposite effect
Just my opinion: I think the reason why you're not feeling more power as you expected, is because at a certain tension threshold the strings are probably absorbing more of the ball energy, hence less power then expected.. Not sure thought :)
This is almost certainly the case. If you have ever seen freeze frame of a pro right at the moment of impact the ball is practically flat as a pancake and all that energy is transferred in the ball as opposed to absorbed in the string.
I have been stringing sub 40 pounds for 10 years since i was on talk tennis warehouse forums, in hs i strung at 27 pounds right now i string at 35 in the ezone 108
more spin more power, really shows you what equipment can do for you as you get comfortable with your swing and your tweaks
Very interesting. Looking forward to the follow up
That was fun. Thanks!
Loved this video!!
If you look at the tennis warehouse university stats for strings you actually find that the higher the tension the more energy return. Most people think it's the other way around 😊. What happens when you have lower tension is that you have a higher launch angle but lose power and it's more arm friendly. Which will explain why you were losing power.
people think it's more power cause it goes deeper... woah
I’ll be trying it soon! 👍🏻
Jack Sock strings his racket between 35 and 40. It’s interesting that both he and Mannarino use very stiff rackets (Babolot). I’m sure that has a big affect on the ball as well. That Wilson racket probably has a much lower RA rating
It makes sense for a lower tension to have a slower ball come off of it. If you think of a making a bed, the tighter you pull the bed sheets the higher a quarter will bounce off it. But if the bed sheet is loose, then if you drop a quarter on it then it will barely bounce.
Think like a Bow. The more u pull the faster the arrow. Higher tension give more energy return BUT. With this low tension, the power comes from the elastic properties of the string itself, not from the tension. In fact u can string so low and have good results only if u use a very hard and stiff string that does not bend that much on impact.
Didn't John McEnroe string his early Dunlop graphite rackets at an extremely low tension?
40lbs
Blows my mind that a pro tennis coach does not know who Mannarino is.. years long top 50 player who recently played a good match against Nadal in Australia...
My thoughts exactly. How can he NOT know Mannarino ??
Do you know every player if I mention any?
Great idea. Keep up the interesting stringing videos!
The ball came slower because he shortens his swing, so he doesn't go full on striking like he can do with the 60 lbs, because he feels that it’s not his natural swing and his affraid of making errors!
it's less powerful because the strings can't snapback fast enough without sufficient tension to pull it straight before the ball leaves the string - also with less tension the ball doesn't deform into the strings and stays more round, so less bite for spin
Andy Murray said that string tension affects distance, not power, after all of his experiments. Want more distance? Lower your tension and vice versa. Studies have shown the power difference between 40 & 60 lbs is only 2%. The feel is mostly down to your nervous system and why everyone is different. Now you know 👍
Source from Andy?
@@youngsuit Former coach on TV. Think it may have been Miles McLagan
4G @ 60 sounds painful.
It isn’t at all when you can hit the sweet spot every time. That’s the key.
A couple yrs ago i found out about Mannarino 24 lbs tension. So i strung my 18x20 pure strike that way and have been using it like that ever since
I strung tour bite in the low 30s and the spin was insane, spin like a spaghetti racket. Problem was it just felt so hard to put the ball away when you had to take a big cut.
I think you need a fairly stiff string for this low tension.
Looks like my favorite stringing machine there. :)
I find it weird that a tennis pro has never heard of Mannarino.
Same here. Almost fell out of my chair :)
How has a tennis coach not heard of Adrian Mannarino?
hes an actor
Jiri Vesely is also a notoriusly low tension user, i recall him being at 28 pounds at some point in the past
And he bludgeons the holy hell out of the ball
I am always amazed at what tension non professional players want to string their racquets. The standard 60lbs-64lbs is very common. Years of this habit makes it difficult for them to believe a tension drop is possible and control can be kept. Most touring pros are in the mid to high 50's (pounds), Big 6'10" John Isner is 34lbs, Former world number 1 LLeyton Hewitt is now down to 32 lbs. (i remember when he was all natural gut 60lbs). The introduction of poly's created the biggest reduction in string tension. You still have the rare anomaly with players, Ulrikke Eikeri had 90lbs recently. When I was younger and ALU first came out i was 73/72lbs now I am all Yonex PT Fire 125 at 38lbs. I look back and wonder just how much more I could have saved my body with looser tension, if not for "tension ego" :) I think your experiment today Harry was terrific and hopefully a lot of your viewers will have a think about their tensions.
i think the other thing that equates is if your an attacking or defensive kind of player. i myself am brutal with the racket whereas other player in my club are more gentle swingers and just put the ball back in play. so i am going to try 25lbs and see where i get with it. ive always admired Mannarino.s relaxed style where he just seems to push the ball to where he wants it. now pushing 70yrs of age need to have a bit of help.😄
That's exactly what happened to me when I accidentally got a bad string job, string bed was oddly loose but felt awesome. I felt my shots crossed effortlessly, but my friend told me that my shots were so slow!! annoyingly bland, he described.
Gu's arm must be infused with Tony Stark tech to handle full 4G @ 60lbs.. my arm and elbow started hurting when he told us Gu's desired specs with that string.
I suspect Coach Gu was holding back b/c it felt like the ball would hit the fence. If he was a bit more confident/comfortable w/ the setup he may have had his usual heavy shot.
What I believe happens is that, for most reasonable players, when you get a new racket or new string job (or even just every day stepping on court) after the very first hit your brain will re-calibrate what is required to get the ball in. Hence Mr Gu will have instantly dropped down power (swing-speed) to ensure the ball is in the court, just as he would if you gave him a powerful 110sqi beginners racket. Not only is this the natural adjustment required to control the ball, but also regarding timing, the added dwell time has to be allowed for so you have to swing slower. If Mr Gu had swung at his normal speed for 60lb tension each ball would probably go long and probably to the left as the ball remains on the bed a fraction of a second longer than usual. Hence, Mr Gu perfectly offsets the added power that the loose strings provide, by hitting a softer ball. The question he should ask is does he still get the control he wants for different types of shot, or do these loose strings only allow him to hit one kind of shot.
+Oliver deSouza I mean if Mannarino can be a top 50 player in the world with it obviously 24 lbs is fine for the control you want for different types of shots... no need to even ask that
@@eyeofhorus1301 True, but just because a pro can control with loose tension doesn't mean us mere mortals can do it too.
Outstanding video. I've always wondered how low you could go with poly strings. Interesting that there seemed to be less power with the lower tension.
I noticed that also when I tried to go down to 33 lbs. I feel that I had to swing harder for the ball to fly faster. I guess low tension = more power to a certain degree only. How low did you go?
@@phd_le I usually string polys in the mid to high 40s depending on the size of the head. I string smaller racquets at a lower tension than the larger ones. My PS85 gives me a sore wrist when strung with poly around 45 lbs. I've since switched to using a multi for this racquet. I'm wondering if I should try a poly again and string it in the 30s.
Can you do 5 or 10# increment up step by step until it proves or disproves popular belief that "low tension more power"? If so, you are above TW university. I personally can't figure out the mechanic why low tension more power, high tension more control concept. I think that was way oversimplified concept. My old days sweet spot on synthetic was ~56#, up-to-date on poly is ~52#
How could Andrew test it properly if he has to constantly go easy on Harry and the shots coming back are so soft!?
Lower tension more control does that pertain to all strings or just poly? Could I get my racquet strung with synthetic at lower tension?
Hoping for a good season for Coach JT.
Question: How old is coach Andrew? He seems like he could be 15 or 25 lol
hes 10
Here is a question for you. Coach Andrew mentioned that by using lower tension string, the balls were not as heavy. There seems to be a connection between string tension and heavy balls, higher tension means heavy balls, correct? Djokovic strung at high tension at low 60s and we know how other player struggles returning
he said he felt lower ball speed and that they jumped more, lower string tension means more string movement and more spin especially with added pocketing, higher tensions dont mean heavier balls.
Djokovic also has historically used rackets with 380+ swingweights
What is it like on volleys at such a low tension?
I'd love to see the follow up video...
Interesting 🤔 thanks guys
No wonder Gu has had arm problems. 60lbs in a super stiff string like 16g 4G is crazy
Yep. There no reason to string polys that high. It's not like gut or even syn gut.
Poly drops tension so quick that I often string that high so when it drops the standard poly 40% then it is in a sweet spot.
@@tysonhabein8655 4G takes forever to drop tension...
@@eyeofhorus1301 I got 6 pounds of loss from 60# in the first 8 hrs of play. That's 3 days for me so pretty significant if I don't want to go broke
@@tysonhabein8655 Not sure how many hours I played it but my 50 lb 4G felt just as tight in the end as in the beginning so I cut it out and restrung it at 40 lbs cause it felt like it'd stay tight forever, for months at least
Regarding the low spin generated, just curious how a gauge 19 kevlar string will behave at the same tension.
Coach Gu said it did not fly in grounstrokes. Had less power... How did this low tension feel on volleys?
Which low tension range is the best?
How can you not tell when you racket tension went from 60 to 24 lbs? Tight tension gives you a ting sound and loose tension gives you a poof sound when you hit the ball..
Hey, is it ok to hybrid strings that have different gauges ? Will it damage the racket ? Will the string break faster ?
Yes, it is common. Tension of crosses is usually set 2-4 pounds lower than the mains.
@@alanb76 my question was more about the gauge because I know that the weight can be changeable on crosses than main
@@alexandrebFRUS Gauges don't have to match. The racket frame doesn't "feel" string gauge, only tension. Look on the stringing forums, lots of hybrid suggestions tested and used.
@@alanb76 thank you !
if lower string tension means more power with less effort then why don't we all lose lower tension?
Reason why the ball wasn't coming off with a lot of bite was not because the coach's strokes...Adrian M is able to play with that tension on the atp tour because he is hitting against world class tennis pros..their pace is different. If Coach Gu hits against someone with his level the ball would come off way different!
All the results and observations are completely counter intuitive. Lower tension should have less feel (pocketing) as the strings trampoline rather than compress the ball. Also it should give more ball speed, not less. Andrew is a good experienced player so it's very interesting.
desde que vi este video, ahora juego con 15 kilos
Curious how it holds up and if an option for players that place a premium on string durability. In other words how long does it remain playable versus recommended string tensions? Interesting vid….thanks for sharing!
Of course Mannarino will have his rackets restrung every session. Obviously as a percentage it won’t lose as much total tension as a racket in the normal range but even so it will drop quickly to around 21lbs;if we consider 10% loss typical in the first hour or two. Personally I string my clash at 40 and am playing with it mostly around 34-36lbs
"The strings reminded me of a current version Pure Drive mixed with the previous generation Pure Drive." - Coach Gu
Coach sounded like he was drunk that night
which string does he use? or hybrid setup ?
Wow 4G at 60 seems insane. 4g is a great string but atb60?? Everytime i go below 46 i feel my arm hurt after a hit or 2.
Do the strings move, this is one of the problems with low tension, does this bother anybody else?
is this a pro stock blade?
1.5 speed is where it's at
Any update?
I string mine ps at 18lb
It's only weird if you don't understand the Science and Technology of Tennis .... of course, little sign of any understanding in this channel. But if you're interested, just research it on TWU.
You still lean backwards when striking the ball.. loosing all ur power :) I might wanna try a 15kg and 18kg tension setting
The difference comes when you have a professional hitting100+ MPH ground strokes at you. (let alone a 140MPH serve). It also matters type of swing and racket. (tension isn't as huge of a difference as most think). Natural gut down to other materials as well (cow gut). and the thickness. It would also be quite inconsistent because of string movement after every point. (annoying to constantly move strings). Again, durability. always plays a part and arm health. For one match, the pros have 9 rackets and don't care about cost or anything but, short term. They are in much better shape than the average player and have much more arm muacle. After I took off for 6 monthss , due to injur, the racket flew out of my hand on the first hit. You don't realize muscle fitness and atrophy. My forearms were so built up, the surgeons had trouble moving my nerve and finding a proper area to go in. Double the muscle fibers of a normal patient. Since, having not played in years, string tension would be a guessing game. If one has the means, testing a plethora of strings and tensions from 24-62 would be paramount. It would differ from every player, racket and string. You play and say, "Need more spin, Need more control, Need more power.". Its like dialing in a race car with thousands of parameters to meet the driver to get the best setup. You average player isn't going to try 100s of rackets and strings with millions of different combinationa. Nobody is.
Professionals are not hitting 100 mph ground strokes. There is a big difference in 100 mph racket speed and 100 mph ball speed. In a match they average around 70+ mph
@@williamdean9326 They are in some cases. Thank you for being the normal human animal and reading an entire soliloquy and cherry picking what you want to make a point about. Go read War and Peace and say on page 183, they forgot a comma. It gets tiring. The modern carbon copy humans. The 70+ vs 100 mph ground strokes was the important takeaway of subject matter. Just don't. These clowns.
@@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO What a stupid reply because professionals only hit 3 to 4 100 mph ground strokes in a match so stop being so dramatic and butt hurt.
@@williamdean9326 By the way Medvedev, just in this match had hit 4 plus 100mph ground strokes. Sock hit one 116mph in just this Indian Wells tournament. So, it means you are incorrect and should state that. All the time professionals hit 100 plus mph ground strokes
@@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO 4 out of how many? Again you missed the point they are NOT constantly hitting 100 mph shots.
luxilon 4g is absolutely wrong choise for low pounds
60lbs with 4G 16G in an 18x20 string pattern is stupid.
Andrew uses 16 x 19. Not sure that helps any
it's very tough on your arms, but he's a coach with a good technique. i'm sure he can handle the set up.
@@robindale9319 its a 16x19 in the blade pro which has a higher swingweight so it’s a bit like the normal 18x20
great PRANK !!!
He’s not very good is he. What was his highest ranking?
How the hell mannarino's serve is not terrible with those strings...when you start squezzing the strings easy i was like hell no🤣🤣🤣
Harry's fh though...
what a troll lolz
Wow. Badminton tension in a tennis racket 🤣
Gu is the worst at describing anything. Dude can play though
no power cos there's no tension.
looks like the stringer needs some coaching and the coach needs some stringing
Here is the original video about Mannarino's string tension. Worth watching: ua-cam.com/video/7Gud_lKH5Xk/v-deo.html
Lol, that ended up being false it was 24kg
The machine read 24 lbs
I hope coach dosent get too angry at you and leaves the channel because you sabotage him 😧
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