They need to bring up as many items as possible from the Titanic. Even the people that passed wouldnt want the whole ship to disappear. Once its gone their memory is gone without the saved items.
For anyone who wants to experience the Titanic without ever getting the chance to really visit her get a PlayStation 4 and a VR and Titanic VR. It is excellent and it's really immersive. It's like being there
I have bought it, but I doubt if everything is really accurate in this game... For example, on the real wreck there is a door of the hull on D deck which is missing. But this door is not missing on the game Titanic VR... Although it's a huge detail for each real Titanic fan... That's why I doubt a little of this game... Cannot wait to see Titanic Honnor and glory... Does anybody know when it will be released???
Safe what you can safe from Titanic ..so that the children in the future can see the Art effects....and remember the hero's and the people on Titanic who lost their lives ..not of a human fault but God's nature!! a lesson for everyone who think he or she is better than God!!
It crazy to think that some things like plates, clocks, and objects are just perfectly in place even tho the ship did face up straight up in the air for a short period of time before breaking and sinking
The stern was the half that wasn't submerged and went straight up. It pancaked when it hit the bottom, so the stuff you're seeing here is all in the bow, which was submerged & flooded gradually before going down.
I think as much as possible should be brought up, including any remains of people, even if all that remains are their shoes. Those that drowned deserve to be brought home. I'm sure that is what they would want.
Many of the survivors, most of whom had lost family in the tragedy, expressed their desire that the wreckage was left alone as a sign of respect, since they consider it the resting place of their late relatives.
Concordo con voi amico buttano tanti soldi a cazzo e non pensano ai resti di quelle persone che schifo pensano solo a quel pezzo di ferro arrugginito che schifo l' umanità 😢😡
The safe might be located too deep within the ship to be retrieved. Archeologists have tried to no touch or damage anything on the wreck . Most artifacts that have been recovered are from the debris field.
I've been a Titanic fanatic since Ballard discovered the wreck in '85, and not because of the James Cameron film! I've remained interested ever since the discovery and I had strong reservations related to taking items from the debris field and certainly not from the ships interior. Older, I still agree with that logic on whether or not they should remove artifacts from the site. I mean, it is a grave site overall, but now knowing the ship will one day be a rust stain on the ocean floor, I've weighted other options and beginning to think, it might not be such a bad idea.
I've always been against the idea of salvaging objects but with the Titanic becoming more fragile I've done a 360. I've also hypothesized the theory of raising the bow or at least move it to a more shallow area so we can preserve it
My thoughts to on it have changed over the years but the ship would have bin hear longer if the subs didn't keep hitting it or landing on the top they are doing more damage than the ocean is but yes now the can is open they need to do something
What they shows as Straus' suite, (B51-53-55) was belonged to Mr & Mrs Cardeza. The Strauses were in the C55-57, one deck below. Even the underwater and the archive photos shows the C55 room.
That's right! I don't know how an error of this magnitude could have gotten by in a documentary like this. I think Bruce Ismay occupied the other parlor suite, B52-54-56.
galoon I agree. What I think is that they are confusing the Strauss suite with the movie Titanic. In the movie the design of the Strauss suite sitting room was used as Rose and Cal's sitting room on B deck. So the movie is false in that sense, because in real life the promenade suite would have looked very different than the movie. Yet here in this documentary they are showing the correct archive photos yet showing it in the movie location on the computerized deck plan. Quite a glaring error!
galoon also In the movie, when Lovejoy tells the dock steward what room their luggage should be delivered to, he says "The parlor suite B52-54-56." So the movie definitely plays around with facts in that regard. Both promenade suites were occupied, so Rose,Cal and the mother could not have been in those rooms. As a side note, the first class corridors in the movie are based on Mauritania. Titanic's were very different with no wall lights, and no carpet as shown in the movie. Yet at Titanic exhibitions they always show recreations of the movie sets and try to pass it off as replicas of what Titanic looked like. So they are very false and inaccurate.
This glass from Titanic and everything from the Turkish bath including the glazed ceramic tiles. It will all fall and break as soon as the ship starts to fall apart.
I must admit I think it would be exciting to go down to the wreck, but I am torn between my sence of ethical respect for the people who died that night, and my curiosity🙁 And then I am also too afraid of the deep water😅
Have you ever been at a cemetery? Looked at a grave, or at a mausoleum? Did you think it was disrespectful? Then what the hell would be the problem of going down to the wreck to look since you also consider it a "grave"?
Absolutely save everything you can while you still can. I don’t think there is anyone alive who was involved, so what is the problem? This ”You can’t touch anything, it’s a memorial” -attitude is completely insane. Superstitious bullshit.
At 11:52 the speaker talks about the need for society to learn not to be arrogant and then she goes on to talk about humans not being above other organisms such as bacteria. She got it right concerning arrogance, but what she missed was the general mentality of the time. Practicaly every wealthy home had staues of greco-roman gods, while a news article about the new Totanic stated that "not even G_d H_mself could sink......". Forget about bacteria, any society that beleives that it is above G_d is doomed, and that is the lesson we would be wise to learn.
Nothing should ever have been brought up except photographs, video and scientific data. It’s a grave. There is nothing of archaeological value on the ship, nor in the debris field. We know who was on the ship, we know what was on the ship, we know what caused it to sink. We already lost the ship and everything on it. None of us were even alive when the ship went down and the grieving relatives are all dead too. Dimebag Darrell was buried with one of Eddie Van Halen’s iconic guitars. Now Eddie Van Halen has died too. Should we open Dimebag’s grave and rescue that guitar before it rots away with his body? What if we restored the guitar so that future generations could enjoy it? What if we returned the guitar to Eddie Van Halen’s grieving family? Titanic is a grave.
Your argument is illogical, selfish and driven by false sentiment and emotion. By your view, we should never recover artifacts from any Spanish Galleon, battle field, Egyptian pyramids, Pompeii etc... Selling recovered artifacts is one thing, but we owe it to the future generations to provide them with whatever we can so they can also study and learn history. I don't get this idiotic self-back padding argument that this should be left alone because people died blah blah. People died in all of the above mentioned places and yet we visit them and build countless museums. If your logic was applied to all other archaeological finds, then all of our history would be on paper. Senseless. I don't know what it is with the nutty Titanic crowd which has developed this cheesy, self serving sentiment that the ship is not to be touched because it's a grave. What part of historical finds are NOT a grave?? Archaeology is pretty much grave digging isn't it? That's how we learn our past. So please, as much as you like to elevate your morals above other's, let future generations have a chance to learn also.
British archaeologists have dug up tombs, and the mummies are in museums instead of in their final resting places but now we can't bring up artifacts from the Titanic? It's plates and forks they want to bring up, not corpses! If the Titanic was not a British ship, they would have brought artifacts out from it because "we must preserve history" but because it's British ie "a civilized country", everyone goes "oh no, no, we can't disturb the grave site"
Some of the main issues would be potential damage if recovery is not done properly. Another factor would be costs. Even if you remove an artifact, it can take years and decades of treatment to stabilize it. Metal and wood would need treatment to remove salt from them . Wood would need to be quickly treated to ensure no shrinkage happens as water evaporates on the surface. The last issue is how to ensure the artifacts remain together with their prominence. Recently, Titanic inc. (owners of the wreck salvage rights and artifacts) filed for bankruptcy and was told by a judge that they needed to auction off assets . Had the artifacts gone to auction individually, they could have been lost to time . If a person bought an artifact ,yet when they die their kids don't know the true value of it,it could be thrown away or worse. Luckily for us the company was bought by another and the artifacts were spared from the auction.
Sorry But this seeking for artefacts is deplorable in my opinion. Its a tomb. She is dead. Leave her alone to rust in peace ! Seriously !!! It was a tragedy of human errors. Stop glorifying it !!!
To the lady at 11:50: I beg to differ big time from you. We are not above God, or his design of Mothernature, or how she works, and breaks things down. Everything ends up breaking down one way or the other. That is where you are wrong!!!! Who are we to go down there and grave rob the wreck of Titanic, and try to salvage and preserve things that don’t even belong to anyone, except for the people, or next of Kin to those that boarded that ship. ...and no judge or any member of any government should be able to make or lay claims to anything down there; and yet that is exactly what’s happening.
They need to bring up as many items as possible from the Titanic. Even the people that passed wouldnt want the whole ship to disappear. Once its gone their memory is gone without the saved items.
The majority of valuables are already gone! They were like pirates..basically cleared out the loot.
For anyone who wants to experience the Titanic without ever getting the chance to really visit her get a PlayStation 4 and a VR and Titanic VR. It is excellent and it's really immersive. It's like being there
Or wait until Titanic honor and glory is finished within the next couple of years.
I have bought it, but I doubt if everything is really accurate in this game...
For example, on the real wreck there is a door of the hull on D deck which is missing. But this door is not missing on the game Titanic VR...
Although it's a huge detail for each real Titanic fan...
That's why I doubt a little of this game...
Cannot wait to see Titanic Honnor and glory... Does anybody know when it will be released???
@@fitzcaraldozitohow can you be a “fan” of a ship wreck that killed 1,500+ people? Weirdo.
@@TreyParkersBitch I'm fascinated by the story of Titanic, that's what I meaned and I'm not the only one I think..
Keep weirdo for yourself
Safe what you can safe from Titanic ..so that the children in the future can see the Art effects....and remember the hero's and the people on Titanic who lost their lives ..not of a human fault but God's nature!! a lesson for everyone who think he or she is better than God!!
Amazing that the tiles are in good condition
Хорошо клали. Качественно.
It crazy to think that some things like plates, clocks, and objects are just perfectly in place even tho the ship did face up straight up in the air for a short period of time before breaking and sinking
The stern was the half that wasn't submerged and went straight up. It pancaked when it hit the bottom, so the stuff you're seeing here is all in the bow, which was submerged & flooded gradually before going down.
I think as much as possible should be brought up, including any remains of people, even if all that remains are their shoes. Those that drowned deserve to be brought home. I'm sure that is what they would want.
I agree especially since most of the Titanic will be gone in 50ish years
Bodies don't exist down there. They got eaten away after about 5 years.
Many of the survivors, most of whom had lost family in the tragedy, expressed their desire that the wreckage was left alone as a sign of respect, since they consider it the resting place of their late relatives.
@@NightmareXXOO it doesnt work like that
Concordo con voi amico buttano tanti soldi a cazzo e non pensano ai resti di quelle persone che schifo pensano solo a quel pezzo di ferro arrugginito che schifo l' umanità 😢😡
Aww man just imagine what's in that first class safe. I'm surprised some a****** hasn't put it in his collection yet.
The safe might be located too deep within the ship to be retrieved. Archeologists have tried to no touch or damage anything on the wreck . Most artifacts that have been recovered are from the debris field.
I've been a Titanic fanatic since Ballard discovered the wreck in '85, and not because of the James Cameron film! I've remained interested ever since the discovery and I had strong reservations related to taking items from the debris field and certainly not from the ships interior. Older, I still agree with that logic on whether or not they should remove artifacts from the site. I mean, it is a grave site overall, but now knowing the ship will one day be a rust stain on the ocean floor, I've weighted other options and beginning to think, it might not be such a bad idea.
I've always been against the idea of salvaging objects but with the Titanic becoming more fragile I've done a 360. I've also hypothesized the theory of raising the bow or at least move it to a more shallow area so we can preserve it
My thoughts to on it have changed over the years but the ship would have bin hear longer if the subs didn't keep hitting it or landing on the top they are doing more damage than the ocean is but yes now the can is open they need to do something
Unlikely outcome.
Jsmes Camerons version was a love story essentially.
Very projected.
Most of what we have in museums were from grave sites
What they shows as Straus' suite, (B51-53-55) was belonged to Mr & Mrs Cardeza. The Strauses were in the C55-57, one deck below. Even the underwater and the archive photos shows the C55 room.
That's right! I don't know how an error of this magnitude could have gotten by in a documentary like this. I think Bruce Ismay occupied the other parlor suite, B52-54-56.
galoon I agree. What I think is that they are confusing the Strauss suite with the movie Titanic. In the movie the design of the Strauss suite sitting room was used as Rose and Cal's sitting room on B deck. So the movie is false in that sense, because in real life the promenade suite would have looked very different than the movie. Yet here in this documentary they are showing the correct archive photos yet showing it in the movie location on the computerized deck plan. Quite a glaring error!
galoon also In the movie, when Lovejoy tells the dock steward what room their luggage should be delivered to, he says "The parlor suite B52-54-56." So the movie definitely plays around with facts in that regard. Both promenade suites were occupied, so Rose,Cal and the mother could not have been in those rooms. As a side note, the first class corridors in the movie are based on Mauritania. Titanic's were very different with no wall lights, and no carpet as shown in the movie. Yet at Titanic exhibitions they always show recreations of the movie sets and try to pass it off as replicas of what Titanic looked like. So they are very false and inaccurate.
I have seen the movie Titanic many times yet i am ashamed for never to have noticed that part.
Love Tony!
I understand that but if you think about this,you would be able to keep their memories alive
I misread the titled as Tony Robin’s Titanic. I was honestly repaired to hear him narrate the wreck of the Titanic.
Should be recovered as much as possible
Leave the pairs of shoes but everything else should be brought up and preserved
They've already recovered over 6,000 objects. Just how much more do YOU want?
10-15000 tops.
I think this is great I am looking at this .I just wait until they get ready.safe
I don't know why my stomach is in knots.
Психосоматика.
This glass from Titanic and everything from the Turkish bath including the glazed ceramic tiles. It will all fall and break as soon as the ship starts to fall apart.
I must admit I think it would be exciting to go down to the wreck, but I am torn between my sence of ethical respect for the people who died that night, and my curiosity🙁 And then I am also too afraid of the deep water😅
Have you ever been at a cemetery? Looked at a grave, or at a mausoleum? Did you think it was disrespectful? Then what the hell would be the problem of going down to the wreck to look since you also consider it a "grave"?
I guess there is some O2 down there, there are many fish living 12000 ft below the sea.
They absorb dissolved oxygen through their gills
@RAJSTA81 Well that is a good question.........I don't remember.
@RAJSTA81 O wait i do. The part where the woman says, we have been together for 40 years and she walks away from the boat.
Absolutely save everything you can while you still can. I don’t think there is anyone alive who was involved, so what is the problem? This ”You can’t touch anything, it’s a memorial” -attitude is completely insane. Superstitious bullshit.
They've recovered over 6,000 objects, so there is no need.
At 11:52 the speaker talks about the need for society to learn not to be arrogant and then she goes on to talk about humans not being above other organisms such as bacteria. She got it right concerning arrogance, but what she missed was the general mentality of the time. Practicaly every wealthy home had staues of greco-roman gods, while a news article about the new Totanic stated that "not even G_d H_mself could sink......". Forget about bacteria, any society that beleives that it is above G_d is doomed, and that is the lesson we would be wise to learn.
What's a staues and What's Totanic? 😮
Nothing should ever have been brought up except photographs, video and scientific data.
It’s a grave.
There is nothing of archaeological value on the ship, nor in the debris field. We know who was on the ship, we know what was on the ship, we know what caused it to sink.
We already lost the ship and everything on it. None of us were even alive when the ship went down and the grieving relatives are all dead too.
Dimebag Darrell was buried with one of Eddie Van Halen’s iconic guitars. Now Eddie Van Halen has died too.
Should we open Dimebag’s grave and rescue that guitar before it rots away with his body? What if we restored the guitar so that future generations could enjoy it? What if we returned the guitar to Eddie Van Halen’s grieving family?
Titanic is a grave.
Your argument is illogical, selfish and driven by false sentiment and emotion. By your view, we should never recover artifacts from any Spanish Galleon, battle field, Egyptian pyramids, Pompeii etc... Selling recovered artifacts is one thing, but we owe it to the future generations to provide them with whatever we can so they can also study and learn history. I don't get this idiotic self-back padding argument that this should be left alone because people died blah blah. People died in all of the above mentioned places and yet we visit them and build countless museums. If your logic was applied to all other archaeological finds, then all of our history would be on paper. Senseless.
I don't know what it is with the nutty Titanic crowd which has developed this cheesy, self serving sentiment that the ship is not to be touched because it's a grave. What part of historical finds are NOT a grave?? Archaeology is pretty much grave digging isn't it? That's how we learn our past. So please, as much as you like to elevate your morals above other's, let future generations have a chance to learn also.
10:13 because the teak wood collected from our india (from kerala state)💪🇮🇳😊
Great viewing
did you see the robe draped over the bed frame at 11:14 to 11:18
Wasn’t there a swimming pool on the Titanic
Yes
Matter of fact, it's the only part of the ship still in operation.
@@robotbjorn4952 okay..fair enough😉
There is now
Was that Ken Marshall at 6:45?
Sure is.
Seems like a bad design... sending a sub into the dark without a light?
That theak wood from Kerala in southern india
British archaeologists have dug up tombs, and the mummies are in museums instead of in their final resting places but now we can't bring up artifacts from the Titanic? It's plates and forks they want to bring up, not corpses! If the Titanic was not a British ship, they would have brought artifacts out from it because "we must preserve history" but because it's British ie "a civilized country", everyone goes "oh no, no, we can't disturb the grave site"
Some of the main issues would be potential damage if recovery is not done properly. Another factor would be costs. Even if you remove an artifact, it can take years and decades of treatment to stabilize it. Metal and wood would need treatment to remove salt from them . Wood would need to be quickly treated to ensure no shrinkage happens as water evaporates on the surface. The last issue is how to ensure the artifacts remain together with their prominence. Recently, Titanic inc. (owners of the wreck salvage rights and artifacts) filed for bankruptcy and was told by a judge that they needed to auction off assets . Had the artifacts gone to auction individually, they could have been lost to time . If a person bought an artifact ,yet when they die their kids don't know the true value of it,it could be thrown away or worse. Luckily for us the company was bought by another and the artifacts were spared from the auction.
EXACTLY!!!
If we hadn't dug anything up we'd have learned nothing ever
She is one cute archeologist!
At the bottom of the seabed is a hotel for the fish
Sorry But this seeking for artefacts is deplorable in my opinion. Its a tomb.
She is dead. Leave her alone to rust in peace !
Seriously !!!
It was a tragedy of human errors. Stop glorifying it !!!
To the lady at 11:50: I beg to differ big time from you. We are not above God, or his design of Mothernature, or how she works, and breaks things down. Everything ends up breaking down one way or the other. That is where you are wrong!!!! Who are we to go down there and grave rob the wreck of Titanic, and try to salvage and preserve things that don’t even belong to anyone, except for the people, or next of Kin to those that boarded that ship. ...and no judge or any member of any government should be able to make or lay claims to anything down there; and yet that is exactly what’s happening.
Can't stand James Cameron only after artefacts and he did damage to the poor old ship
What did he do?
He may have destroyed much of the ship, but he went down into the depths of the wreck like no other.