The channel that checks all the right boxes, contains the relevant information that I need, provides insightful ideas that inspire me, and brightens my day! ... It's about racecars, right? Music? You know what, let me watch again and see if I can figure it out.
Another safety device worth mentioning: WhamBam's The Cloud. It's a little hockey puck fire extinguisher you place over your 3D printer/laser cutter that bursts & spreads extinguisher powder if it is exposed to flame... no, it won't burst if it sniffs smoke from the laser, it's just a passive device with an !explosive! charge. $29 USD
Ah, great recommendation!!! I hadn't seen this, although I loved Wham Bam's original PEI plates! This looks brilliant, I might get some for my 3d printers! They look more like a 'last resort' fire safety device - ie 3 seconds of burning to trigger. I've got xTool's fire safety set which is a smarter version - ie quicker trigger, refillable, multi canister that extinguishes before any damage, so I'd definitely keep these for more expensive devices - but love the tip! www.xtool.com/products/fire-safety-set?ref=zsciqxhf&
Just been browsing Wham Bam's other stuff, they've really come along as a firm - I like the look of the Mutant too!! Could bring my Prusa MK3S back to life in a new guise!!
I appreciate an easygoing and open wardrobe selection as much as the next guy, but all the leering and harassment in the comments is getting wearisome. Yes, there's plenty of good visuals, we all know. She isn't too worried about it, so why should we be? Some real good tech quality info, and from a knowledgeable, articulate, engaging, and classy lady. Stop licking the icing, and enjoy the whole cake.
I suspect those that live in Delhi or Lahore would pay 10x the price for one of these. 600x what the UN recommends is quite an incentive. Perhaps not, but houses alongside the main city arterial routes and inner city areas in places like London would surely consider installing one of these in their main living areas and upgrading to Passivhaus standards? Perhaps I'm harking back to the old combustion engine forms of transport and traffic jams in winter on the A40 and things are way better now? I'd try it... much more frequent filter replacement could be well worth while
A few things. Before you buy one of these, buy an air quality sensor with a wide range "particulate matter" sensor. Graph it over a month. You might find, living in the UK, that unless you live need a "dust" hazard or a very busy road, it will be near to 0 for all of them until you turn the cooker on to fry some chops. However, you will probably also find, that whether you have that big filter running or not, makes little to no difference to the air quality in the house anyway. The reason is basically to do with circulation. The little filters do not move enough air or have a large enough sphere of influence to not simply re-inhale the same air over and over again. If you have an issue with VOC, PM or any unfavourable atmosphere... if it's inside, use an extractor to pull it out. If it's outside, phone your local council and environmental agencies. Shut your windows, use an air inlet fan with a filter.
Love these points!! Highly recommend an air filter, indeed covered this here: ua-cam.com/video/dQhwOuFlFWo/v-deo.html On the other points - to be clear, this is a device designed for dust, smoke, VOCs produced by devices (eg laser cutters, 3d printers etc) - so definitely not designed for just ambient filtering of room or even improving outdoor air quality as you say!
even with my cheap Ikea dust filter i can notice when ive had it on how lighter the air feels. I'd say it's placebo but i shake out the filter weekly and its full of dust every time.
You're right actually, I find the same with robot vacuums - because they so easy, you just set them to run all the time, but it's amazing how much they collect every time!!
@@handsonkatie Fair enough. True to style for me... I bought an AirGradientOne for my office/lab. I take the 2.5ug/m3 data and trigger an extractor based off it. So, if I start SMD soldering, it will start the extractor. I have seen it get triggered by "pouring grains for beer" in the kitchen ... on a different floor, but it seen the "malt flour dust" upstairs! As to how well it works, pretty prompt. I test it half a dozen times a day when I smoke a cigarette. I see the spike in the PM, the extractor comes on and it then drops faster than if it wasnt on. Downside is, it has to draw (usually colder) air in from outside somewhere.
There are two things that i really want to know ... 1) what is the cost of spare filters? 2) waht is the ratio of cut-out videomaterial of you, where your clothes accidentally reveals too much for youtube? :D
1) Depends on the filter and your location, but they start at £15 and top out around £30, so pretty good value (esp. as they last so much longer) - uk.xtool.com/collections/accessory/products/filters-for-safetypro-ap2). Naturally how quickly they clog depends on the type of material you're cutting and how often! 2) How cheeky! 🤣
It sounds amazing on paper, I really wonder if an independent testing lab comes to the same conclusion as they did and how long those filters will last. Most filtration systems require new filters every 6-12 months or so which seem to cost about 36+36+45+27+18=162 euro. Unless it has really advanced sensors you can't easily tell how clogged the lower filters are, so you'll have to replace them periodically to be safe. Still... an amazing deal for a filter that does all this, I might just buy this...
Well I wouldn't consider myself a testing lab, but I did have both the Apollo Air and Airgradient sensors monitoring all of this, so it certainly stood up to them - as I say, the air quality actually marginally increased after I'd been laser cutting! (no doubt it's pulling dust and the like through the filter from the room). Yes, the app has a sensor gauge for each filter, I 'assume' this is based on standard time/usage measurements, but I'll check that with them - they'd be on a new level of cool if it could actually measure it - though I can't even grasp how they could do this! It really is pretty impressive what they've achieved though!
@@handsonkatieThank you for the reply, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks to your recommendation I actually bought an Apollo Air-1 (and a few Apollo MTR-1) sensors several months ago and I'm really happy with them. But I did find out that the Apollo Air sensor "fakes" some of the air quality values. Nothing nefarious mind you, but the PM4 and PM10 are calculated values based on the other values by the SEN55 sensor. Air quality is notoriously difficult to measure correctly however, especially at low volumes so it's hard to analyse it properly. It's definitely a very impressive device!
@@handsonkatie I know! I wasn't going to say anything, but at one point in your video, there were these huge chunks of white stuff falling outside your window! Who knows what you were cutting... :D
One of the first companies I worked for had a technical area where they were formerly using freon gas (if I remember correctly) for dry-joint detection and cleaning, the CFC ban led them to have to switch over to Isopropyl Alcohol - the problem was the techie's nose kept bleeding constantly from the fumes. They had to install a rather expensive air extractor; rather than filter the air they simply exhausted the gases and particles outside the building, an expensive alteration as it needed to have a hole put in the outer core of the building (which cost about $3k). On that basis - would it not be more practical in a home/workshop configuration to simply exhaust the affected area outside instead? I get a desire to maintain heat in the home, etc. but wouldn't it be potentially more practical in a home setting? My Mum had a vacuum cleaner called a "Rainbow", a SAVAGELY expensive but wildly effective barrel unit on castors sold through multi-level marketing which cost about $5k in the late 80s; it was unique in that it took intake air and pushed it through water using a fin array to pulverise the air coming in, they claimed a remarkable dust uptake that was so good you could turn it on for 30 minutes a day without its hoses in to clean air in the house. I wonder if such a concept would be useful here? It wouldn't cater for gases of course, only some particulates.
Great comment and yes of course, I'll exhaust where possible - so you're quite right, but there's lots of occasions where this breaks. As these devices are becoming more 'home sized', they are literally entering the home - so I can't be drilling holes in all the walls. Plus in Scottish winters, this would kill the insulation of the house! I also find, even in the garage when I'm venting through the window, the wrong direction of wind can end up blowing lots of nasties back in - so I'd definitely vent where possible, it just isn't always that feasible! The Rainbow sounds amazing, it sounds a little like my big workshop dust extractor - as you say it's amazing at taking out large chunks of dust, but much more limited at tiny particles and naturally no good a fumes/VOCs at all. This is what really amazed me about this device, it's ability to do the 'full stack' is something I've never seen before!
@@handsonkatie the rainbow's fin design is their big claim to fame - it was intended to collect dirt primarily and when she first used it on her carpets she was HORRIFIED at the dirt that came off, the water chamber was quite literally mud; she had to run it through several times just to get the resulting water to be merely dirty, it seemed to do that bit extremely well at least. As for venting blowback - there are ways to cater for that, you can simply put a wind guard around the outside, I've seen that done before. In a practical sense - how often would you have this running though? I mean we mere mortal normies of course, you've got enough 3D printer gear to build a house per week so there's that... This gizmo really is damn impressive though, the multi-filter is wonderfully over the top. Sort of thing Elon would want aboard his Starship rocket indeed.
Ok, you got me thinking about buying one, even with existing user discount it's still in my opinion expensive. We already vent out a window with adapter made and 3D printed so back of X1 to window is only a few cms. Even so still smell fumes in room.
If you're just using a single 3d printer, then it might be overkill - although are you printing with more than PLA/PETG? If using nastier stuff, then I'd certainly look at one, doesn't need to be this one, but think of health. I also find my garage window venting isn't great as the wind seems to blow it back in anyway, so if you're smelling fumes, then that almost certainly isn't great. Have you got an air quality sensor? They're usually good measures - that could be a first step, check my site for the ones I like if not. I really can't speak more highly about this device though - xTool didn't actually expect me to cover it/feed in anything, I really was amazed. I've never actually seen a device that can take out even smells of things like acrylic (and 3d printer fumes).
@@handsonkatie well here is the thing, I have a X1C down in our basement, that is vented with open window, 95% of time its PLA, I am going to order up sensor. My wife has the laser Xtool in one of our bedrooms which is vented out window directly. The fume smell on both is low but when she burns you can smell the wood smell. She does have thousands of Xtool points so maybe she can use that to get filter, she is going to ask question, she does a lot of the tutorial videos that you will see on their website.
Oh if you're using a laser, then definitely - this nails that smell completely and I know exactly what you mean, venting always seems to let the smell back in again!! Definitely look up the points - as an xTool user she'll get the super discount, plus if she can get points of on top, it starts to look pretty compelling!!
Heheh! Most definitely - it's more designed for 'point emitters' - eg tools or devices giving off lots of smoke, VOCs, and more. But if xTool were to release a household air purifier, it'd certainly be interesting!!
Duct fans are pretty cheap, but a bit of a piece of string you can use anyone, start around £50 for decent airflow and xTool's new smart one, Bluetooth, app connected mini one is about £140. Filters are are from free for the reusable first stage cyclone and £10-30 for the progressively fine ones. If you look up the tiny 3m masks you get for your face, you'll see this is pretty good value (plus the prefiltering means it lasts much longer)
Great video as usual 🙂 I’m wondering if it can be used as a general room air purifier? What are your thoughts? Did you try it with non xtool equipment too? It looks cool. Anyway, keep up the awesome work! Morgs from Australia 😊
Thanks Morgs! I terms of a general room purifier, I don't know - obviously this depends on the room size. Ultimately, it sucks air in, filters it to a bonkers level and spits it out, so there's no problem with the theory, I just couldn't vouch for how long it'd take, max volumes and more. I'm building a whole range of converters and adapters to allow easy use with every device I can think of - it's become my instant go-to for resin printers, FDM printers and more. Hence I'm redesigning my workshop layouts to accommodate this as I mentioned! I'm thinking a nice range of parametric magnetic duct mounts would let people easily adapt for their own devices!
If it's from xtool the safest thing to do is protect the wallet and don't buy outrageously over priced crap. Someone else will have something just as good for less than half the price.
I'd LOVE to see the evidence of a device for half the price with the same featureset, please do share!! £250 for a six stage filter @ 55dB and bluetooth integrations would be amazing.... but I suspect I'll be waiting some time...🤣 Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence 🤣
.... so still no example of this 'someone else' at half the price and just as good? I'm genuinely interested if there's any examples of this, but if you're just making up your statement out of ideology then enjoy whatever bargain basement lung protector you do like! Each to their own!
This felt far too infomercial-y with no real world data presented, just the company's statistics. Also, how close to the laser cutter do you have this device? To be as effective as possible, and to breathe the least amount of harmful contaminants in the air you would want it as close as possible to the device creating the emissions. So you have to move this device around to wherever your emissions creating device is (or buy one per device but that gets expensive fast). When soldering, you want a fume extractor that sucks the smoke away at close range. I don't see how this could be used for soldering unless maybe you somehow attach a hose to it but then what is the airflow rate of this device? I might be wrong but I don't think that stat was mentioned. I would think going through 6 filters the airflow couldn't be that great. It would have been handy to have a real world test of smoke coming from different distances to get a gauge of airflow. Also, for the people commenting wanting to use this as a general air purifier, this is not it. The filters range between 100 hours to 600 hours runtime. That's 4.17 to 25 days. In no way is this a general purpose air purifier unless you want to spend a fortune replacing filters all of the time.
Hey - yes, I actually had air testers running, but they were a flat line - really nothing comes out! (indeed a slight improvement of air quality beyond the laser being off) - I used Apollo Air and Airgradient sensors, so was a bit of a dud stat in that sense. Likewise, I don't think the smoke would be relevant as you've misunderstood the connection - it's worth checking out the company's site as I think you'll see how it operates, it duct connects directly to the outlets on their devices, so proximity to the device is irrelevant - it just directly intakes all the fumes. Your point on soldering is likewise - ie it's the duct that you'd have near the device. The airflow naturally depends a bit on the device being used as they have different fans to contribute (eg the P2 has a more powerful one), but the set up I was using had ~1300Pa intake which is waaay more than you need for soldering. But you're definitely right, this isn't intended to be some passive air filter, it's a device-focused air filter - hence I covered laser cutters, FDM, resin, soldering as examples - if you're looking for some general air quality conditioner, definitely look elsewhere!
@@handsonkatie Thank you for the explanation. I had ended up looking up other reviews of this device to figure out exactly how it worked and once I realized how it works, realize how it could be used for other things. I don't think this video went into enough detail about how it operates, specifically that it connects directly to the laser cutter outlet, not that it's just a standalone device filtering the air. That may be why other people asked if it could be used as a general room air purifier. Proximity to the device isn't quite irrelevant though as you'd need quite the ductwork infrastructure if you wanted it to filter multiple devices at once, or have all of your devices fairly close together to swap the hose out when you want to use a different device. Oh and from other reviews I've seen, the filter lifetime gauge is a simple countdown based on hours used. There are no sensors to detect so it's not actual filter life. It's pretty much just a revenue generator as these filters aren't all going to be used in the same capacity all of the time. It's like inkjet printer waste full "sensors". I've taken apart many inkjet printers to see and every time the waste ink pad/reservoir wasn't even close to being full. There's no actual sensor, it's just a cash grab.
Yes, although I can (and do) just move the device rather than this complicated ductworking you're describing! Likewise in terms of filter capacity, I can't possibly conceptualise how they could monitor six different stages with a singular airflow to measure individual capacity in each?! Can you?? So if it's not possible, then it's hardly a cash grab, so the inkjet analogy is unfair as they CAN easily monitor, but choose to over measure (sorry, inkjets hold a special place of anger for me, so I'd never use them in vain! 😂) Pricing is £10-30 depending on filter and without discounts, so hardly price gouging. Certainly not a bargain basement device, but look up the cost of even tiny 3m filters for face masks (£20+) and you're really not a long way off.. for a single filter that obviously clogs up much faster!
@@handsonkatie It would likely be possible to monitor filter capacity via sensors, but that would be an extra cost. I do know that companies make the bulk of their profit from consumables, not from the sale of the device itself though, so having an arbitrary counter not based on any sort of valid data is very misleading. It really is the same as an inkjet reporting "waste full" when it's not. Take for example, I used to repair printers from one of the major manufacturers (laser printers thankfully). We had to maintain our training any time a new printer came out. We'd completely tear down a new printer, rebuild it and test. The instructor for said classes admitted that they'd be willing to give away printers for free if the clients promised to buy all consumables from them. That's why they also implemented technology to prevent third party toners from working on their printers. And they also implemented technology to make the printer stop working when an arbitrary page count was reached. If the toner was good for 5000 pages and that's what it hit, it would stop working, even if say most of the pages printed had less coverage and there was still toner left in the cartridge. The same with photoconductor units. It was annoying because many of the printers were at hospitals that needed them to be up and running all of the time. Just because a photoconductor hit the arbitrary page count, the printer would just stop working completely, even though it was perfectly fine to use until we were able to get a new one installed. Their bread and butter is in the consumables. It's the same with consumer inkjet printers. They give you a tiny capacity starter cartridge and then you have to buy their expensive ink, because consumables is where the money is. I'm sure it's no different with xTool. Without the proper data, they can't definitively say that one pre-filter will last for 100 hours. Depending on contaminant levels in the actual use case scenario, it could last for 200 hours. They're likely calculating all of their numbers based on what is most advantageous to their bottom line.
You're quite right, this is something I'm not good at - I rarely have 'dedicated days' to painting, making, rather dashing between feeding kids, painting, bedtime stories, sanding and so on!
I watched the whole video even though I don't own a laser cutter.
I wonder why....
The channel that checks all the right boxes, contains the relevant information that I need, provides insightful ideas that inspire me, and brightens my day!
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It's about racecars, right? Music?
You know what, let me watch again and see if I can figure it out.
Another safety device worth mentioning: WhamBam's The Cloud. It's a little hockey puck fire extinguisher you place over your 3D printer/laser cutter that bursts & spreads extinguisher powder if it is exposed to flame... no, it won't burst if it sniffs smoke from the laser, it's just a passive device with an !explosive! charge. $29 USD
Ah, great recommendation!!! I hadn't seen this, although I loved Wham Bam's original PEI plates! This looks brilliant, I might get some for my 3d printers! They look more like a 'last resort' fire safety device - ie 3 seconds of burning to trigger.
I've got xTool's fire safety set which is a smarter version - ie quicker trigger, refillable, multi canister that extinguishes before any damage, so I'd definitely keep these for more expensive devices - but love the tip!
www.xtool.com/products/fire-safety-set?ref=zsciqxhf&
Just been browsing Wham Bam's other stuff, they've really come along as a firm - I like the look of the Mutant too!! Could bring my Prusa MK3S back to life in a new guise!!
I appreciate an easygoing and open wardrobe selection as much as the next guy, but all the leering and harassment in the comments is getting wearisome. Yes, there's plenty of good visuals, we all know. She isn't too worried about it, so why should we be?
Some real good tech quality info, and from a knowledgeable, articulate, engaging, and classy lady.
Stop licking the icing, and enjoy the whole cake.
I suspect those that live in Delhi or Lahore would pay 10x the price for one of these. 600x what the UN recommends is quite an incentive. Perhaps not, but houses alongside the main city arterial routes and inner city areas in places like London would surely consider installing one of these in their main living areas and upgrading to Passivhaus standards? Perhaps I'm harking back to the old combustion engine forms of transport and traffic jams in winter on the A40 and things are way better now?
I'd try it... much more frequent filter replacement could be well worth while
A few things. Before you buy one of these, buy an air quality sensor with a wide range "particulate matter" sensor. Graph it over a month.
You might find, living in the UK, that unless you live need a "dust" hazard or a very busy road, it will be near to 0 for all of them until you turn the cooker on to fry some chops.
However, you will probably also find, that whether you have that big filter running or not, makes little to no difference to the air quality in the house anyway.
The reason is basically to do with circulation. The little filters do not move enough air or have a large enough sphere of influence to not simply re-inhale the same air over and over again.
If you have an issue with VOC, PM or any unfavourable atmosphere... if it's inside, use an extractor to pull it out. If it's outside, phone your local council and environmental agencies. Shut your windows, use an air inlet fan with a filter.
Love these points!! Highly recommend an air filter, indeed covered this here:
ua-cam.com/video/dQhwOuFlFWo/v-deo.html
On the other points - to be clear, this is a device designed for dust, smoke, VOCs produced by devices (eg laser cutters, 3d printers etc) - so definitely not designed for just ambient filtering of room or even improving outdoor air quality as you say!
even with my cheap Ikea dust filter i can notice when ive had it on how lighter the air feels. I'd say it's placebo but i shake out the filter weekly and its full of dust every time.
You're right actually, I find the same with robot vacuums - because they so easy, you just set them to run all the time, but it's amazing how much they collect every time!!
good idea, will look at one of these.
@@handsonkatie Fair enough.
True to style for me... I bought an AirGradientOne for my office/lab. I take the 2.5ug/m3 data and trigger an extractor based off it.
So, if I start SMD soldering, it will start the extractor. I have seen it get triggered by "pouring grains for beer" in the kitchen ... on a different floor, but it seen the "malt flour dust" upstairs!
As to how well it works, pretty prompt. I test it half a dozen times a day when I smoke a cigarette. I see the spike in the PM, the extractor comes on and it then drops faster than if it wasnt on.
Downside is, it has to draw (usually colder) air in from outside somewhere.
There are two things that i really want to know ...
1) what is the cost of spare filters?
2) waht is the ratio of cut-out videomaterial of you, where your clothes accidentally reveals too much for youtube? :D
1) Depends on the filter and your location, but they start at £15 and top out around £30, so pretty good value (esp. as they last so much longer) - uk.xtool.com/collections/accessory/products/filters-for-safetypro-ap2). Naturally how quickly they clog depends on the type of material you're cutting and how often!
2) How cheeky! 🤣
It sounds amazing on paper, I really wonder if an independent testing lab comes to the same conclusion as they did and how long those filters will last. Most filtration systems require new filters every 6-12 months or so which seem to cost about 36+36+45+27+18=162 euro. Unless it has really advanced sensors you can't easily tell how clogged the lower filters are, so you'll have to replace them periodically to be safe. Still... an amazing deal for a filter that does all this, I might just buy this...
Well I wouldn't consider myself a testing lab, but I did have both the Apollo Air and Airgradient sensors monitoring all of this, so it certainly stood up to them - as I say, the air quality actually marginally increased after I'd been laser cutting! (no doubt it's pulling dust and the like through the filter from the room).
Yes, the app has a sensor gauge for each filter, I 'assume' this is based on standard time/usage measurements, but I'll check that with them - they'd be on a new level of cool if it could actually measure it - though I can't even grasp how they could do this!
It really is pretty impressive what they've achieved though!
@@handsonkatieThank you for the reply, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks to your recommendation I actually bought an Apollo Air-1 (and a few Apollo MTR-1) sensors several months ago and I'm really happy with them. But I did find out that the Apollo Air sensor "fakes" some of the air quality values. Nothing nefarious mind you, but the PM4 and PM10 are calculated values based on the other values by the SEN55 sensor. Air quality is notoriously difficult to measure correctly however, especially at low volumes so it's hard to analyse it properly.
It's definitely a very impressive device!
I'm chuffed to bits! Welcome back! God bless!
Another video coming this evening Mark, know you've been missing them - but there's FOUR coming this week, so get yourself ready!!
I'm ordering one right away.
Nevermind the workshop, I want one for my house! :)
Ah Chris, I think it might be that my house is just one big workshop, so I fail to see the distinction as clearly!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@handsonkatie I know! I wasn't going to say anything, but at one point in your video, there were these huge chunks of white stuff falling outside your window! Who knows what you were cutting... :D
One of the first companies I worked for had a technical area where they were formerly using freon gas (if I remember correctly) for dry-joint detection and cleaning, the CFC ban led them to have to switch over to Isopropyl Alcohol - the problem was the techie's nose kept bleeding constantly from the fumes. They had to install a rather expensive air extractor; rather than filter the air they simply exhausted the gases and particles outside the building, an expensive alteration as it needed to have a hole put in the outer core of the building (which cost about $3k).
On that basis - would it not be more practical in a home/workshop configuration to simply exhaust the affected area outside instead? I get a desire to maintain heat in the home, etc. but wouldn't it be potentially more practical in a home setting?
My Mum had a vacuum cleaner called a "Rainbow", a SAVAGELY expensive but wildly effective barrel unit on castors sold through multi-level marketing which cost about $5k in the late 80s; it was unique in that it took intake air and pushed it through water using a fin array to pulverise the air coming in, they claimed a remarkable dust uptake that was so good you could turn it on for 30 minutes a day without its hoses in to clean air in the house. I wonder if such a concept would be useful here? It wouldn't cater for gases of course, only some particulates.
Great comment and yes of course, I'll exhaust where possible - so you're quite right, but there's lots of occasions where this breaks. As these devices are becoming more 'home sized', they are literally entering the home - so I can't be drilling holes in all the walls. Plus in Scottish winters, this would kill the insulation of the house! I also find, even in the garage when I'm venting through the window, the wrong direction of wind can end up blowing lots of nasties back in - so I'd definitely vent where possible, it just isn't always that feasible!
The Rainbow sounds amazing, it sounds a little like my big workshop dust extractor - as you say it's amazing at taking out large chunks of dust, but much more limited at tiny particles and naturally no good a fumes/VOCs at all. This is what really amazed me about this device, it's ability to do the 'full stack' is something I've never seen before!
@@davocc2405 don't overthink
@@handsonkatie the rainbow's fin design is their big claim to fame - it was intended to collect dirt primarily and when she first used it on her carpets she was HORRIFIED at the dirt that came off, the water chamber was quite literally mud; she had to run it through several times just to get the resulting water to be merely dirty, it seemed to do that bit extremely well at least.
As for venting blowback - there are ways to cater for that, you can simply put a wind guard around the outside, I've seen that done before. In a practical sense - how often would you have this running though? I mean we mere mortal normies of course, you've got enough 3D printer gear to build a house per week so there's that... This gizmo really is damn impressive though, the multi-filter is wonderfully over the top. Sort of thing Elon would want aboard his Starship rocket indeed.
@@seanoconnor8843 Given that I've seen personally the impact of poor ventilation on this basis - I think it's perfectly valid to examine that.
@davocc2405 I wouldn't pay for it
Ok, you got me thinking about buying one, even with existing user discount it's still in my opinion expensive. We already vent out a window with adapter made and 3D printed so back of X1 to window is only a few cms. Even so still smell fumes in room.
If you're just using a single 3d printer, then it might be overkill - although are you printing with more than PLA/PETG? If using nastier stuff, then I'd certainly look at one, doesn't need to be this one, but think of health. I also find my garage window venting isn't great as the wind seems to blow it back in anyway, so if you're smelling fumes, then that almost certainly isn't great. Have you got an air quality sensor? They're usually good measures - that could be a first step, check my site for the ones I like if not.
I really can't speak more highly about this device though - xTool didn't actually expect me to cover it/feed in anything, I really was amazed. I've never actually seen a device that can take out even smells of things like acrylic (and 3d printer fumes).
@@handsonkatie well here is the thing, I have a X1C down in our basement, that is vented with open window, 95% of time its PLA, I am going to order up sensor. My wife has the laser Xtool in one of our bedrooms which is vented out window directly. The fume smell on both is low but when she burns you can smell the wood smell. She does have thousands of Xtool points so maybe she can use that to get filter, she is going to ask question, she does a lot of the tutorial videos that you will see on their website.
Oh if you're using a laser, then definitely - this nails that smell completely and I know exactly what you mean, venting always seems to let the smell back in again!! Definitely look up the points - as an xTool user she'll get the super discount, plus if she can get points of on top, it starts to look pretty compelling!!
@@handsonkatie She has asked the question :-)
Great video Katie, thank you. I may have to get my "Hands on" one of these. Cheers.
Points for puns!!
@@handsonkatie Yes!!! LOL, sweet
I would love one for my kitchen and my whole home for that matter! I would imagine I would need a lot of them though
Heheh! Most definitely - it's more designed for 'point emitters' - eg tools or devices giving off lots of smoke, VOCs, and more. But if xTool were to release a household air purifier, it'd certainly be interesting!!
Awesome episode.
Another brilliant video Katie and really useful information… Love your videos…
Thanks Mike - glad you found useful, and first comment points to you!!
The audio sounds a bit off today. Loved the video. :)
Sorry about that! Still learning!!
How much for some filters and a fan?
Duct fans are pretty cheap, but a bit of a piece of string you can use anyone, start around £50 for decent airflow and xTool's new smart one, Bluetooth, app connected mini one is about £140. Filters are are from free for the reusable first stage cyclone and £10-30 for the progressively fine ones. If you look up the tiny 3m masks you get for your face, you'll see this is pretty good value (plus the prefiltering means it lasts much longer)
Great video as usual 🙂 I’m wondering if it can be used as a general room air purifier? What are your thoughts? Did you try it with non xtool equipment too? It looks cool. Anyway, keep up the awesome work! Morgs from Australia 😊
Thanks Morgs! I terms of a general room purifier, I don't know - obviously this depends on the room size. Ultimately, it sucks air in, filters it to a bonkers level and spits it out, so there's no problem with the theory, I just couldn't vouch for how long it'd take, max volumes and more.
I'm building a whole range of converters and adapters to allow easy use with every device I can think of - it's become my instant go-to for resin printers, FDM printers and more. Hence I'm redesigning my workshop layouts to accommodate this as I mentioned! I'm thinking a nice range of parametric magnetic duct mounts would let people easily adapt for their own devices!
@ yeah nice! Will be interesting to see the adapters you create. Thanks for the vid 🙂
Always good production - getting a bit heavy handed with the dialogue noise reduction on this one though...
Oh you're right, I need to get better at this - I does my head in with all my cockups!!!
If I could only afford all these things. Oh well.
Shame we have to let air into room to breathe. :-)
If it's from xtool the safest thing to do is protect the wallet and don't buy outrageously over priced crap. Someone else will have something just as good for less than half the price.
I'd LOVE to see the evidence of a device for half the price with the same featureset, please do share!! £250 for a six stage filter @ 55dB and bluetooth integrations would be amazing.... but I suspect I'll be waiting some time...🤣
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence 🤣
@@handsonkatie EVERYTHING xtool makes is idiotically overpriced. If you like it that much be an idiot and spend your money on it.
.... so still no example of this 'someone else' at half the price and just as good?
I'm genuinely interested if there's any examples of this, but if you're just making up your statement out of ideology then enjoy whatever bargain basement lung protector you do like! Each to their own!
This felt far too infomercial-y with no real world data presented, just the company's statistics. Also, how close to the laser cutter do you have this device? To be as effective as possible, and to breathe the least amount of harmful contaminants in the air you would want it as close as possible to the device creating the emissions. So you have to move this device around to wherever your emissions creating device is (or buy one per device but that gets expensive fast). When soldering, you want a fume extractor that sucks the smoke away at close range. I don't see how this could be used for soldering unless maybe you somehow attach a hose to it but then what is the airflow rate of this device? I might be wrong but I don't think that stat was mentioned. I would think going through 6 filters the airflow couldn't be that great. It would have been handy to have a real world test of smoke coming from different distances to get a gauge of airflow.
Also, for the people commenting wanting to use this as a general air purifier, this is not it. The filters range between 100 hours to 600 hours runtime. That's 4.17 to 25 days. In no way is this a general purpose air purifier unless you want to spend a fortune replacing filters all of the time.
Hey - yes, I actually had air testers running, but they were a flat line - really nothing comes out! (indeed a slight improvement of air quality beyond the laser being off) - I used Apollo Air and Airgradient sensors, so was a bit of a dud stat in that sense. Likewise, I don't think the smoke would be relevant as you've misunderstood the connection - it's worth checking out the company's site as I think you'll see how it operates, it duct connects directly to the outlets on their devices, so proximity to the device is irrelevant - it just directly intakes all the fumes. Your point on soldering is likewise - ie it's the duct that you'd have near the device. The airflow naturally depends a bit on the device being used as they have different fans to contribute (eg the P2 has a more powerful one), but the set up I was using had ~1300Pa intake which is waaay more than you need for soldering.
But you're definitely right, this isn't intended to be some passive air filter, it's a device-focused air filter - hence I covered laser cutters, FDM, resin, soldering as examples - if you're looking for some general air quality conditioner, definitely look elsewhere!
@@handsonkatie Thank you for the explanation. I had ended up looking up other reviews of this device to figure out exactly how it worked and once I realized how it works, realize how it could be used for other things. I don't think this video went into enough detail about how it operates, specifically that it connects directly to the laser cutter outlet, not that it's just a standalone device filtering the air. That may be why other people asked if it could be used as a general room air purifier. Proximity to the device isn't quite irrelevant though as you'd need quite the ductwork infrastructure if you wanted it to filter multiple devices at once, or have all of your devices fairly close together to swap the hose out when you want to use a different device.
Oh and from other reviews I've seen, the filter lifetime gauge is a simple countdown based on hours used. There are no sensors to detect so it's not actual filter life. It's pretty much just a revenue generator as these filters aren't all going to be used in the same capacity all of the time. It's like inkjet printer waste full "sensors". I've taken apart many inkjet printers to see and every time the waste ink pad/reservoir wasn't even close to being full. There's no actual sensor, it's just a cash grab.
Yes, although I can (and do) just move the device rather than this complicated ductworking you're describing!
Likewise in terms of filter capacity, I can't possibly conceptualise how they could monitor six different stages with a singular airflow to measure individual capacity in each?! Can you?? So if it's not possible, then it's hardly a cash grab, so the inkjet analogy is unfair as they CAN easily monitor, but choose to over measure (sorry, inkjets hold a special place of anger for me, so I'd never use them in vain! 😂)
Pricing is £10-30 depending on filter and without discounts, so hardly price gouging. Certainly not a bargain basement device, but look up the cost of even tiny 3m filters for face masks (£20+) and you're really not a long way off.. for a single filter that obviously clogs up much faster!
@@handsonkatie It would likely be possible to monitor filter capacity via sensors, but that would be an extra cost. I do know that companies make the bulk of their profit from consumables, not from the sale of the device itself though, so having an arbitrary counter not based on any sort of valid data is very misleading. It really is the same as an inkjet reporting "waste full" when it's not.
Take for example, I used to repair printers from one of the major manufacturers (laser printers thankfully). We had to maintain our training any time a new printer came out. We'd completely tear down a new printer, rebuild it and test. The instructor for said classes admitted that they'd be willing to give away printers for free if the clients promised to buy all consumables from them. That's why they also implemented technology to prevent third party toners from working on their printers. And they also implemented technology to make the printer stop working when an arbitrary page count was reached. If the toner was good for 5000 pages and that's what it hit, it would stop working, even if say most of the pages printed had less coverage and there was still toner left in the cartridge. The same with photoconductor units. It was annoying because many of the printers were at hospitals that needed them to be up and running all of the time. Just because a photoconductor hit the arbitrary page count, the printer would just stop working completely, even though it was perfectly fine to use until we were able to get a new one installed. Their bread and butter is in the consumables. It's the same with consumer inkjet printers. They give you a tiny capacity starter cartridge and then you have to buy their expensive ink, because consumables is where the money is.
I'm sure it's no different with xTool. Without the proper data, they can't definitively say that one pre-filter will last for 100 hours. Depending on contaminant levels in the actual use case scenario, it could last for 200 hours. They're likely calculating all of their numbers based on what is most advantageous to their bottom line.
would love to get my hands on katie
You should wear overalls
You're quite right, this is something I'm not good at - I rarely have 'dedicated days' to painting, making, rather dashing between feeding kids, painting, bedtime stories, sanding and so on!
Laser beams FTW! _(= For The Workshop - which Katie is building 💪🧰 🛠 )_ 😉
Oh yes, it's going to be fun building the Laser Zone!!!
@handsonkatie "Laser Zone" sounds like a theme park, or carnival or indoor playground, area. 😁
Well it's my sort of playground!!!