Former meat, dairy and egg head here. I switched aged 40 when i realised the SUFFERING animals go through. Vegan 12 years. Best years of my life so far. When you think of the VICTIMS and not YOURSELF, it is EASY. I can't bear people who make excuses.
I'm not making excuses, I'm making observations and I Di find that when I try to talk to ppl about how and why it's wrong, if I lose my composure they switch off?!
Go get a blood test and find out what you are missing. Then find the plants that you need to balance your nutrition. That lady acts like she is a victim while ignoring the tiny things she could do to solve any deficiency she may have had. I doubt she is a healthy eater.
@@PreciousLuna1988 The entire supplement industry was created to supplement the nutritional deficiencies in flesh eaters. The most common person to have deficiencies are flesh eaters. There is nothing "precious" about somebody who is as violent as you.
@@PreciousLuna1988 Violent people are not precious. The entire supplement industry was created to supplement flesh eaters. The vast majority of people who lack nutrients are flesh eaters. Facts matter.
The lady made it sound like you can't be Vegan if you're a parent... Vegan parents/families do exist! I'm a busy Mum to 3 children and that hasn't stopped me being Vegan, it actually gives me even more reason to be Vegan to teach my children about kindness and compassion 🥰 She also got very personal towards you making assumptions about your life... You handled it very well, keep up your amazing work Mel 🌱💚
why do we need excuses to use phones lmao@@roylewis2708 . you NEED TO justify eating other animals because there is a VICTIM involved in your choice to buy their dead carcass and excretions. Phones aren't someones they're THINGS and we can use THINGS - that's The point. animals are NOT things they are BEINGS wtf, I can't believe I have to fucking explain this lmao. like who are you. NEVER had an animal friend before? completely heartless?
@@VeganStonerLady So who decides what is necessary or unnecessary ? It becomes purely subjective and defining a line to stand on impossible. Talking of lines, look up the building project "The Line". When completed hundreds of thousands of migratory birds will die crashing into it. Necessary deaths so that someone has a place to live ? Reality is far more complicated than what is seen as a simple choice because all our choices have ramifications, such as using a mobile phone and supporting an industry which harms animals on many levels. Saying it is necessary is another form of excuse.
@@Usurpus616 It's a moral issue. If you're determined to stop something so evil, you would stop contributing to it straight away. It's easy if you care and are a good person.
@PTruth-md6xx I don't have a problem if a person wants to be vegan. Its their choice and I respect it. But don't shove your views down my throat and act like you've got the monopoly on morality. Being vegan alone doesn't make you a moral person.
@@Usurpus616 It isn't 'views' it's facts and everyone needs to know to stop this. Yes it's a moral issue. If you know and don't go vegan, you're evil. We're caring and good, you're evil.
Your work is so much appreciated. I can't imagine dealing with bullshit excuses over and over without whacking them with a stick. Thank you for your patience. She was a liar. She just wanted to be special and have special excuses. Well done.
Honestly the whole confrontation could have been avoided if you were more personal and answered her questions. She’s not going to walk away now feeling inspired to change. It doesn’t sound like she understands nutrition which isn’t your problem, but giving her small guidances wouldn’t have hurt anything
@@Untillallarefree never said she was a victim, I said she’s not going to walk away from that conversation feeling inspired to change. All she’s going to remember is that Mel yelled at her and didn’t answer her questions
@@ReadySetSkateFilms no she will remember she was called out for her pathetic excuses, that she tried to victimise herself and that actually if she did care about the animals she would have googled her questions… she is full of 💩
Presumably the 'dizzy' woman has a GP, Mel mentioned Challenge 22. That woman was talking crap, excuses and thought she was the only person in the world with kids and a busy life. Mel is there for the animals not for her.
I went veggie at 50 for ethical reasons ignorant of the dairy, egg, and all the other cruel and exploiting animal industries there are, but as soon as i became aware of the cruel and barbaric animal industries there are, i became vegan at the age of 57. I am now at my fittest and healthiest at nearly 69. I was conditioned at an early age and kept ignorant for a very long time. When we know better and different we can become better and different. Thanks to the exposers and truth tellers of this world we can change this world for a better and kinder one.
Both my (ex) wife and I went vegan overnight **30** yrs ago (pre internet and barely any choice, unlike today) and we had 2 children shortly after. Neither of us have had any health issues - in fact we're both very healthy. I'm still building muscle and I'm nearly 60! It's just people lacking empathy looking for excuses for abusing and exploiting animals 💪🌱
Good for you but doesn't always work for everyone. Everyone ain't the same and bodies aren't. I am guessing you grow your own food then as you said excuses for abusing and exploiting animals at the end?
Vegan 10 years former slaughterhouse inspector unfortunately prior. The odds against me. But when I learned there’s a chance I changed. Remove the human centric view, stop using excuses, stop playing the victim card that’s gas lighting. Classic narcissism. Live vegan!
She DOES agree with you. She is just a hypocrite and should admit it. You also should have helped her a little more with the nutrition stuff early on... would have saved a long pointless argument.
Wow reading comments like all of you are saying about this women just because she has an apion is disgusting. But I am not suprise because this is how vegans react to people trying to attack the person by trying to insult them. Well done to you all sad really you all are
Interesting how she says she’s an educator but isn’t willing to educate herself more on how to be healthy. Dairy causes a lot of health issues, so I wouldn’t doubt that’s where some of her health issues probably stem from, because they did for me. Her excuses are most likely a matter of her not wanting to change because of taste and convenience like most people. Good for you though Mel for holding her accountable.
Mel lacks empathy how dare she shout at her like that shes supposed to be helping her if you want us to become vegan help us if you care so much that we go vegan not shout at us that kind of behaviour does not make me want to go vegan it makes me want to eat meat more
@@nickda1 Mel lacks empathy, "What" if you've watch the video from the beginning, you'll find they both were having a civil conversation, This women was coming with all the excuses she could think of, to ex-cuse her reasons for going back on dairy after she says she was vegan for a year 🤔... Mel asked her what she was lacking that she can't get from plants. She could not answer. Mel then slightly raised her tone ..not so to affend but to clarify the cruelty she's paying for in her laziness to research a healthy vegan diet. Mel offered her a card where she could get help and advice but she then kept talking over mel and repeating that the vegan option does not work for her. This is a lame excuse from a grown women and she says she's a educator!😲 .. so I think she needs to start with herself. Mel is very passionate about her activisem and from what I've seen of majority of her and Steve's videos there always calm and polite to people they speak to. You say if we vegans want you meat eating people to be vegan we should talk nicely. Then you meat eating people should also stop being aggressive and rude towards vegans. Your an adult I think? Then watch Pignorant on Prime and Dominion on UA-cam and educate yourself! Mel and all vegan activist should not need to educate grown adults.Mel & Steve are out to help animals not solve adults problems stop making vegans out to be wrong!
@@harjicoren7628 was i aggressive? i dont have an aggressive bone in my body dont get me wrong i usually like Mels approach but i didnt in this one and her latest video the one where she was in M&s i defended her after she was attacked you all have your views and i respect them
"the whole world has to change first, only then will I be able to be vegan." 🤡🤡🤡 This woman never put in the effort, it is NOT hard to be vegan. Can't believe she blames her kids. Kids should be even more reason to be vegan and not a mother teaching her kids actively funding animal abuse is fine. Kids should inspire you even more to be kind to those who are weak and defenseless. Kids should inspire you to be stewards and not tyrants to animals and the natural world. It's your duty and obligation to the animals AND to your kids!
IKR?!? Disgusting. The fact that Vegans EXIST not even to mention win bodybuilding contests, races and triathlons debunks this to its face, and having children LEAD Veganism in many households, not even to mention Vegan parents EXIST is enough to shut her selfish face
This woman was, of course, most likely making excuses. That said, one thing, Mel, that I would've responded when she mentioned the bit about her being a mum and getting up at 5am, etc. is that there are vegan mums with that exact life. She was making it seem as if vegans aren't just normal, busy people like her, with kids, who work 60-hour weeks, who have jobs that require travel, who have 15 animals in their care, who hardly have time to scratch their a***. It'd have been good to see how she'd have responded if you'd had said that there were busy mums present there at the event, which of course there will have been. Good job anyhow!
only Americans don't have time to scratch their ass, and think this is okay for middle class. or first world! second or third world all have time to sleep and party AND make enough to live comfortably. this is sO wrong
It wouldn't matter how much education was handed to her on a gold plated platter, there will always be a reason why she can't do it being thrown back. It's not about the lack of education, it's simply that she doesn't want to make the change enough to take responsibility for it
It just shows veganism isn’t as practical and easy as so many people say, you have to sacrifice a lot. It’s basically a religion, so if you can’t commit then you need let it go we all have lots of problems veganism just ain’t worth the risk to a persons comfort.
Great job, Mel!! Bravo!! She’s is not the victim here. Typical selfish and self centered vegetarian, “ex-vegan”. Making excuses. Great job holding her accountable. 👏🏼👏🏼
Mel & Steve out there advocating for Veganism and animal rights, doing more than most people. Don't let someone else tell you that you are doing this for selfish reasons. That lady was cringe.
She’s making excuses.. it’s not difficult to go Vegan. Let the children know what they’re eating. They would choose not to eat the animals. 🌱 leave the animals alone.
@@logicalanswer3529if you’re not ill, why go to a doctor? I’ve been vegan for 17 years and haven’t eaten animals for 20. I haven’t even had a cold since 2003.
@@AdamJohnsey look into science I guess ? And stop following animal abusers. If you will keep thinking of dead animal body parts as food you will just confuse yourself and others. And btw fqk these so called "carnivores" .
Plenty of vegan parents around. I became vegan 30 years ago and it was not difficult for me then. Many others became vegan historically, long before the name existed. The vegan society was founded in 1944 during rationing. This lady is pretty defensive and entrenched.
Dizziness needs to be looked into. Did her doctor mislead her? Health professionals get virtually no training re nutrition (ex nurse and midwife here).
I feel like she was just looking for you to validate her decision to give up veganism, and got upset because you were real with her and didn't tell her what she wanted to hear.
I think she is very emotionally dependent on getting confirmation that her excuses to abuse animals were reasonable justifications for supporting animal abuse. Unfortunately they were not and you were not comfortable lying to her and pretending like they were. Good conversation, you didn't deserve such heat.
Well done Mel, Agree with everything you said, She was a out right hypocrite! She was using her kids has a excuse...Keep up the great work 👊💚both you and Steve are great at what you are doing speaking up for the innocent animals.Dont change a thing the way you put your activisem across🤛 Been vegan 10yrs now and going strong Love you both.
@@Itsmelandsteve Thank you for your reply .. I keep up with all yours and Steve's videos, don't change a thing about the way you both do your activisem. These people are all followers not leaders that's why they say the same words and use all the same excuses . I'm a leader. When I made the decision to become vegan when I listen to Gary's speech I got educated it was a big eye opener. My heart sank at the disgusting industries😤🤬
The thing is, every thing Mel said was correct, yet when dealing with certain people, to get the desired result it is better to use other strategies rather than pure reason.
@religion-free in my opinion, I think the conversation started great. This lady wanted some reassurance that the journey she was on was a great one, that you can always find a health solution with the right balance vegan diet and encouraged to keep going. Some gentle nudging and reinforcement of her credit would have been the icing on the cake. I could see the point where Mel had lost this lady, when Mel started talking over the lady and raising her voice, then implying she had no excuse to not be vegan was not helpful. We cannot force people into something by acting like we are better and they are bad. It will never work. Be humble.
@religion-free it is true but just because it is, doesn't mean you can't show kindness and guidance. It's true when people say vegans are angry. I've never known such an angry, narrow minded bunch.
I'd say I'd like to know who she is so I could shame her on her own page. But that would be petty and give her more for the algorithm to direct traffic her way. The fact that she was already vegan and gave it up then decided to engage you, she deserves no less considering she knows the harm she's inflicting. She was wasting your time. The first thing that would come up on a search engine when saying "I'm passing out on a vegan diet, what can I do" would be, make sure you're eating enough both in quantity and variety because it sounds like you're starving yourself.
Wtf? 😂 Did you not see the way that non vegan woman was behaving? We meet people where they’re at. She was making excuses and then acted like Mel was there for life advice. We travel a long sometimes to raise awareness about what’s happening to the animals and we do it for them, not to give therapy to people who are making excuses for paying for animal abuse.
@@MasterMoron ‘The slave owner wasn’t giving excuses about why it’s difficult for him to liberate his slaves. He was giving legitimate reasons, learn to have empathy.’
@@Imcarolinekbut, the person in the video isn't doing anything to the animals themselves. That's like blaming people who bought cotton clothing for the slaves that picked the cotton.
@@MasterMoron The only reason why these industries exist is because of the consumer. When you pay for an animal product you have a role to play in everything that happened to that individual in their life. The only reason why the animals are enslaved, tortured and eventually violently murdered is because there’s a consumer demand for their flesh and secretions. The consumer has a level of accountability and a role to play in the suffering of these animals, which is why we go out with screens showing people what they’re paying for.
I think a better response to her health concerns would have been to ask her what kinds of foods she was eating when she was vegan. Wholefoods or Junk foods? Does she know where to get vegan protein sources? Was she taking a supplement? Was it just for B12 or was it a multivitamin supplement that covers an array of nutrients? When she brings up a concern such as dizziness and you respond with something along the lines of "So what if you're dizzy? It's worse for the animals." it comes across as though dizziness is a normal and accepted thing for vegans, and its just something you deal with in exchange for not hurting animals. Assuring her that with some research and knowhow she can avoid dizziness and maintain a vegan diet would've gone a long way. Was she using her kids as a get out of jail free card? I suppose it's possible, but I always think we should assume the best in people, unless they're just trolling. I didn't get that impression from her to be honest.
Na not at all!! She is a grown capable women who is clearly intelligent enough to be able to research into dizziness rather than go back to consuming cheese, dairy and eggs. She’s don’t this for taste pleasure and then tried to make up some BS to justify it! Mel done great at keeping the focus where it should be on the animals! Don’t be an apologist vegan and don’t fall for people like her when they are victimising themselves!!
@@Untillallarefree I'm literally not being an apologist, if you want to counter what she said about dizziness in the best way possible then those are the points you need to raise. All I'm recommending here is more tactfulness. Check out Clif Grant if you want a great example of an activist who is happy to calm peoples concerns about putting veganism into practice whilst still being firm on the fact that not being vegan is not okay.
@@Argon-Matt she’s got Google…… if she was genuine she would have worked out her dizziness herself. Don’t waste time on convincing people HOW they can be vegan stay focused on WHY and then they will go vegan and stay vegan…. She fell away from being vegan because her WHY wasn’t in place
Mel, you did fantastic holding that woman accountable. You just said the facts and were so clear. You even repeated back to her that you heard her make the excuse over and over and over again that she "gets dizzy" and never backed up what was causing her dizziness. Not that it mattered as you made clear, not your problem to figure out the 'HOW', it's the 'WHY' that matters. Well done 👏 🔥🔥🔥 Go Vegan for the animals if you aren't already. The animals don't need your excuses. They need your actions to stop exploiting them. 🌱
She did an atrocious job. I'm a Joey Carbstrong fan, so I'm not someone who opposes being combative, but Mel actually treated this woman in a cruel manner. She literally tried to publicly humiliate her at the end, which is something I've never seen an activist do to someone...I can almost guarantee that she will never go vegan. All that this video has achieved is to give some vegans a dopamine hit; any non vegan who sees it will be appalled, and extremely put off veganism. You should at least be honest with yourself about that.
Mel may have done an atrocious "job" to get this lady to go@@mmhmm9271 Vegan again but since that's NOT her job, and she's here for The animals not to pander to hypocrites, she did okay 👍🏼
@@VeganStonerLady I'm glad you feel confident talking to your family about it, and yes, she's usually very good. But in this video, she is clearly nothing more than a bully who's pushing someone away from veganism.
I’ve been vegan since 1982 , it was a lot harder then! , my daughter has been vegan all her life since 1989, neither of us have any health problems, it gets easier and easier all the time to be vegan,so many more people know about the health benefits of being vegan and the cruelty in animal farming, but the animal suffering keeps getting worse
So theres an after video with Joey Carbstrong with this same woman. I came across Joey's video first and now I've watched this one. This lady gave Mel a really hard time. Mel isn't a nutritionist or a doctor who can do blood tests, which is clearly what this lady needs. Lifestyle factors can also affect how we feel and is wrongly blamed on a plant-based diet. So many factors can be at play and this lady just kept victimising herself. Check out the video with Joey because the lady appeared to calm down and reflect more on her actions ✌🏼
Yeah the one with Joey is better. The blonde with the mic is abrasive just to be abrasive. She'll probably chalk it up to "being passionate!" and the sheeple will agree. Typical.
Mel looks the picture of health. The other woman doesn’t. Her health argument is nonsense and using her motherhood as an excuse is just plain ridiculous.
Vegetarians....say no more . Cognitive dissonance and defence mechanism . They don't want to accept that they've still contributing to animal cruelty and exploitation, ok some lack the appropriate info , i know because i was once a vegetarian . Becoming vegan was one of the best things i've done , 9 years now .
I would suggest that lady to talk with a doctor/nutritionist that how can she have a healthy balanced diet without suggesting her a lot of supplements and maybe give her a meal plan or something, and she could check her blood test every 6 months maybe to see if everything is in check and have B12 supplemented once every week or so, every vegan doesn't need to do this because this is a lot but since her health detroiting she prolly need to do this all and do challenge 22 where she can more info. Follow vegan food pages and look for vegan recipes and watch vegan health documentaries especially Game Changers. Then she'll be good. We don't need dairy we need calcium and plants have calcium. She needs to educate herself more on nutrition and then it'll be easier for her to be a forever vegan.
@@Rescue127 not necessarily, as the conversation didn't go in that direction, thanks to Mel, in large part. she did, however, repeatedly underline her desire to remain vegan, but she didn't succeed in that. perhaps it included consultations as well.
This woman has watched videos of the cruelty that goes on in this industry 🫤 If she'd put the energy she had arguing with you, and making excuses for why she's not vegan now, into getting the advice she needed back then...🤔... I don't think she cares enough. I admire and understand your passion for the animals, although I got a bit dizzy watching 😵💫... 🌱🕊💚💪
So she needs cheese and eggs, the unhealthiest "foods" out there to be healthy and have no brain fog. And she doesn't realize, it's just excuses. Too sad to be funny I guess...
@@PreciousLuna1988I would say most meats are worse but they aren’t great. Cheese is bad for cholesterol and it’s illegal for eggs to be advertised as healthy
@@MasterMoron then why do you feel the need to tell us this? If you truly felt what you were doing was right then you wouldn't need to be on a vegan platform. It makes me wonder what your true motivation is. The bottom line is meat and dairy products are not necessary to survive. If it's not necessary to kill animals then why do people still do it? Eating plant-based food only is a win-win for the animals the planet and our health.
Great video! So good to see an activist not being apologetic and holding these excusetarians that make themselves out to be the victim accountable 🙏🏼🌱👊🏼💚
Some of the excuses she uses here: Claim: "My health was bad as a vegan" Response: Unless you can name what was wrong with your health, and how it applied to a vegan diet, I call BS on this point. I don't blindly trust people making statements that go against peer reviewed research. I mean, come on! Cheese was the missing corner stone in the diet? What exactly was the magical ingredient in cheese that saved your health? Claim: "I was dizzy when I was vegan" Response: More calories could be what's needed. I get dizzy when I eat too few calories. Eating more fatty foods does the trick of stopping dizziness, and that fatty food surely doesn't have to be cheese. Claim: "It was difficult to get protein" Response: No, it's not, even if you aim at very high levels. When I went vegan I was worried, so I counted, and I ate 140 grams a day, as a new vegan, without the knowledge and without trying. Today I consume 160 grams, because I'm currently weighing 95 kgs, building muscles for the summer season. Claim: "It's hard being vegan as a parent" Response: Who makes the rules in your house? Parents sometimes need to set up boundaries. And in this particular case you could always discuss this with your children and tell them about food production. Many children are less indoctrinated by meat industry propaganda than their parents, so by telling or showing them about the horrors of animal agriculture, maybe they're all for eating vegan. Claim: "Vegan (processed) food is unhealthy" Response: Compared to what? The Beyond Burger is more heart healthy than beef burger made from grass fed cows. Stop parroting BS from the Joe Rogan podcast and read the science! Some vegan products are really new, so more research is needed, but the research that has been done seem to be in favor of the vegan foods. And I know that Chris Gardner who conducted the study to compare beyond meat to beef burger also said that they used the absolute healthiest beef meat they could find on the market. Claim: "it's really difficult to eat balanced as a vegan." Response: No, it isn't. And most people aren't even health conscious as meat eaters, and eat all kinds of crap, yet no one ever talks about health problems. But all of a sudden, as fiber, fruits, veggies and micronutrients increase, then all of a sudden people claim to have these very abstract symptoms that could potentially be nocebo or come from literally anything, or even be psychosomatic.
Go to a doctor if you feel dizzy, do some bloodwork, consult a nutritionist, google it, talk to other vegans, don't just go directly to abusing animals.. like what?! From the start.. you were honest, direct and straight forward about the consequences of her choices. She took it personally and started victimising herself.. Ugh..
Ask yourself, if you were in the gas chambers, would you want me to hand out leaflets educating people? This woman doesn't get the seriousness of the situation.
"health", "I've got kids", "it's so difficult" etc... excuses.... Animals are being gassed, stabbed etc! If she so strongly disagrees with animal oppression/murder industries, why find all these excuses to support them?... I think she thinks that she's NOT doing that, purely because she's already given herself the label of "vegan"... Unfortunately, she clashed with you Mel. It's not your fault. You set up her conversation with Joey, really well, even if she thought otherwise!
The dizzy lady feels like this is clickbait because she's challanged on her lip service. Gimme a break! Either she cares about these animals or she doesn't, can't have it both ways.
Malzoan: Fallacy, is countered with logic & reason & emotion & responsibilty, pivots to another fallacy, countered, pivots. Where's the logical fallacy checklist? That poor lady is drowning in cognitive dissonance & poor animals that are from the ripple effects from refusing to just choose something else & given free resources. Everyone else's responsibilty but the one causing unnecassary harm. This video is amazing you did so well & didn't give her an excuse for abuse! When she resulted to Ad Hominems it was over. Then it resulted into 'white lady tears' & that Malzoan is seeking things to please themselves & you didn't give them something pleasing that isn't pleasing. always the victim.❤ I hope she changes for the better & embraces empathy so the animal's lives can change for the better too! 💚🌱💚 I hope more people see this so they can see what they defend when they can't see past their noses & those that have started introspecting can relate to those fallacious arguments & see right through it all! Free resources for information, facts - not fallacies, lower cost for plant based diet, affordablility, steps in switching one thing for another. No excuse for abuse ❤ I'm Autistic, disabled, very low income/disability, dyslexic, ADHD, celiac, & other things so with it I have chronic pain issues, texture issues, change issues, time management issues, reading ingredients issues, everything has to be gluten-free like people have to be aware of peanuts or other auto-immune/allergy issues, money issues, IBS, IBD, malabsorbtion issues, etc... etc... etc... Even things actually out of my control I can speak up about a vegan option & even if they didn't know before they now know they can do it cruelty free... I don't forget the victim of my choices. I'm not dying. I am in a state of survival, but not in a survival state. I still don't have an excuse not to be vegan. & added bounus, I'm happier & healthier, mentally, emotionally & physically, than I've ever been & ever thought possible, especially with all my chronic issues! 💚🌱💚
I get so annoyed by people who just want validation from a vegan that it's "difficult" to be vegan in order to justify them NOT being vegan. Respect to Mel for not giving that validation. First the person says it's difficult to be vegan and then says you eat too many processed (i.e. CONVENIENT) foods as a vegan. Which one is it?????
Not just excuse, excuse, excuse about why she refuses to go veg💚n. It's also yawn, yawn, yawn. I'm sick and tired of hearing about how hard it is to have kids. Kids are a lifestyle choice, they don't just happen to you. If it's so hard being a parent, don't breed. It's that simple. Just because you have working reproductive organs, it's not compulsory to use them. The world is overpopulated with people.
Humans make so many excuses to justify eating animals I had been vegatarian for 40 years vegan 5 years now never ate healthy never had health problems I'm fit work out every day I do now eat healthy there is no excuse for eating animals vegan for the animals 🔥💯👍
i dont think you handled this situation well. You were unnecessarily combative. You missed an opportunity to offer her strategies to pick up vegan strategies.
@@religion-free I think your response compliments the same error in the video. She doesn’t deserve to have strategies as to how to go vegan explained to her? Really? Ok even if she doesn’t deserve it, perhaps the animals might deserve it? The animals which she might not eat if some practical strategies are offered? She might not go 100% vegan but she might try a strategy if it is explained clearly. Just saying “Challenge 22” isn’t explaining a strategy. That’s nothing to someone who isn’t knowledgeable already.
@@jackmichaelpeter Mel GAVE HER CHALLENGE 22 already. she is trying to use Mel as a FREE dietician and/or nutritionist. she's a FREELOADER and you're feeding her entitlement mentality. sO you're going to strip animals of their very souls unless Mel gives you what you demand? you're BULLIES. Disgusting 🤮
disgusting.@@fagelsinnet it means you identify with The excuse-making Carnist instead of The Vegan. You are a future ex-Vegan if not still a Carnist right now 👎🏼
I would like to live in a vegan world but kind of agree with the other woman in the sense that you were too combative. I would have liked to hear more about what she had to say and see if you could find ways to persuade her to be more vigilant. Yet you just started yelling she was an animal abuser and baby killer when she already told you she’s vegetarian, doesn’t buy milk, and was full vegan for a year. Meanwhile 95% of the people walking by are full on meat eaters. Still, you choose to grill and shame the one person who was sympathetic to the cause and wanted to stop and talk to you. I know you’re trying to get content to spread a message for the greater good but this was poorly executed. Unless it’s a skit then bravo. You fooled me. Although it still may be counterproductive.
100% agree with you. Mel is giving Vegans a bad name and needs to learn how to do her job. She could learn something from Joey Carbstrong, he's great with people and meeting them where they're at.
This is the best comment I have seen well said. I think you are right I think they attack people to much when they have an opinion. This is one of reasons people get put off by becoming vegan. Well said and a comment that isn't insulting the other women either as seen so many
@blackdovejanuarygrl Joey's getting more and more aggressive I've noticed. He got so triggered he threatened to punch a man in the face. I dont think he's completely left his former life behind.
I support every video you have put up before this, this isn’t effective. This is creating devision. I think there could have been a better conversation had for the animals 🌱🙏🏼
Part of me wanted to sympathize with her, just because I myself am not a parent and know I could never possibly handle it. Kudos to people who can do it at all, vegan or not, without messing up their kids in the process. It seems like the issue is just patching up any holes in nutrition that might cause a problem right? I'm poor AF, but canned veggies & soups seem to get me through well enough. Sometimes I make the rookie mistake of not balancing it and the hunger hits like a truck lol.
She said you are the reason why she's dizzy and you don't care about humas..🤔 She is the reason I'm depressed because she is paying for innocent animals to be abused and killed..She doesn't care about animals and human beings.. And then at the end she's trying to be the victim.. Is it's so hard to not abuse animals.. Please There's No Excuse For Animal Abuse. 🙏
She healed her health issues and protein deficiency with cheese only? What vitamins did she find in cheese? And how much cheese she eats daily just for protein? There is a certain point that too much cheese is simply unhealthy...
yes let us see its ("her" 🙄) face. and Mel kept The microphone on it, er, "her". waY TOO kind! it oop "she" kept cutting Mel off! & Mel was being ATTACKED. If I'd been there I woulda protected Mel waY better than what had been done. Be careful out there Vegans xoxo
Great job Mel on making this woman accountable. This woman was what they would call a book of excuses. After I seen the images I have seen about what these meat and dairy Industries do to animals was enough to convince me so I can't imagine somebody seeing these documentaries and not feeling anything. If anything people should be angry at the meat and dairy Industries for all the lies they told about how we have to eat meat to survive because it's not true. Shame on those Industries and I hope someday they will be held accountable for their actions.
@@andreiandrei2826 or she may realize that people like you are steering her the wrong way and that going plant-based eating is the best way to go for the animals the planet and her health.
This is a perfect example of what I’ve been saying in comments on this channel, is since the JC ‘celebrity’ worship came along the outreach has become combative!. Mel & Steve you were much better animal advocate outreach activists before this Pignorant pushing thing started. You would of been much more understanding & not judgemental towards that woman before! 🌻🌎✊🏽
I love how she try to be nice at the start and then really goes in on her when the women has an opinion. This is what happens when you hang around with Joey to much but hey all of them turn out like that at the end
@@Untillallarefree ‘’Dynamic’’ in pushing a person away and making sure not to engage with them in a constructive way, previous Mel would have had a much more positive effect with that woman!. 🌻🌎✊🏽
Wow Mel!!!! So sorry you had to have that 'to and fro' (I can't call it an adult conversation) with her. It's such a shame that like so many others, her cognitive dissonance and emotional hypocrisy are clearly winning out over her underlying moral values. But the good thing about this video is it so clearly gets to the real crux of the matter. Every time you pointed to the screens and said "IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU FEELING DIZZY, IT'S ABOUT THEM BEING MURDERED IN GAS CHAMBERS" you were very clearly voicing the unarguable reasoning behind veganism/sentientism. All sentient beings deserve basic negative rights. And you and Steve are doing such a wonderful job of offering that truth to people. I was a mentor for Challenge 22 for a while, so I know they would try to help her, and they have qualified dietitians who could talk with her about her dizziness and help her find possible solutions to the cause of those. I can't thank you enough for what you are doing. Know that you are greatly valued.
Its interesting she didnt run away so she could try to make mel understand her point so she can then move on and feel better that she confronted vegans about why she isn't vegan. Fairplay Mel, didn't let her have that haha
Watched mels brilliant video again! This women is just a she's complete joke.Wow! the endless excuses she's making! ..MEL I AGREE WITH THE WAY YOU HANDLED HER👊👏👏👏👏👏 But now I'm very worried did she say she's a educator! 🥺😱 Plus now we have another innocent child brought in with ignorance by a mother who can't educate her self. This is very worrying. All these dare i say it, ''Mothers'' now and fathers in todays to these poor innocent young children brought in to the world through ignorance first of all to immature parents who don't want to grow up. And sadly there are so many. Im a vegan mother,..when you choose to become a mother you also become a teacher at the same time. For your child to be healthy in mind and body it's a parents responsibility to feed them with lovely prepared nutritious meal, you make time! Its a sacrifice you take. A good parent makes time to cook for there child. She says she a single parent, So! You choose to be one. Now 😳 so what's the next excuse! There's a lot of brilliant vegan mums out there who work very hard to take care of more then one child and don't use there children for an excuse because they can't do something! Be a women! Animal mothers could also teach you a thing about parenting! ..Mel when you ever do become a mum, Your going to be great parent! 😇🥰
This is impossible to listen to when they keep talking at the same time! Then they start rushing to get a word in edgewise and they don’t even have time to think
Wow. Super reactionary and insecure attitude from pretty much the outset, just arguing with you for not just accepting her excuses, then accusing you of attacking her when you raise your voice to her level. If she'd felt dizzy after cutting humans out of her diet, she'd look into how to get the nutrients she was missing from plants and supplements. 'Veganism makes me ill' is an excuse that belongs back in 2005; we know better than to fall for that now. Just be honest and say you can't be bothered to look into it.
I don't think this is the right strategy to deal with the public. I would sooner build a rapport, discuss her health issues, get Steve, because of his size, to go into details concerning her protein concerns, then move onto Animal Rights.
Same! What the hell is she going on about🥱🤯 she's making me dizzy 😵 listening to her. I'm so worried about these kind of women has parents for the future 🤯🥺
People stumble, seemed like she was on that path though had issues. Her health is the most important to her and most of us. Not many would risk it for others, she is at least vegetarian, though never good enough. Though I imagine being so passionate about a subject in a world that has no interest in Changing is quite frustrating.
So was she saying the little bit of dairy she was eating was the difference between having and not having dizziness and brain fog. I find that highly implausible, I can't think of any thing in dairy in a sufficient quantity that can't be easily obtained on a vegan diet.
@@MasterMoron Well, it depends on their particular anecdote and its plausibility. But it's not just a matter of lying; people can simply be mistaken. Humans are prone to confusing correlation with causation. Consider how many things can cause one to feel non-specific symptoms such as dizziness, brain fog, or fatigue - from transient lifestyle factors to sleep disturbances, viruses, or stress/mental health issues. When such symptoms occur what many people then do is jump to something that is different or prominent in the psyche and assume it's the cause. Consider how many people exclaim they feel better after their first meal following a return to an old diet, as if a single meal has the ability to fix nutritional deficiencies or allow time to recover from allergies or intolerances.
@@darryldempsey7273the fact that a single meal makes them feel better makes it that much clearer that the lack of that item was the reason for their health problems.
@@MasterMoron It depends on what kind of former Vegans, most of the ones I've seen were "Raw Food Vegans", on a calorie restricted diet, which they abandon, go nback to animal products, and blame Veganism for their health issues.
@@OmegaPointZenthat's because nothing is good enough for vegans. Hell, the woman on the video is a vegetarian and the vegan is still attacking her. Even being vegan isn't enough for some vegans and people feel compelled to become raw vegans or fruitarians. It's better just to not listen to vegan propaganda and eat what's healthy.
Agree! I loved Mels every fire back with this women every excuse to keep abusing animals for her selfish ignorant and using her kids has her reasons. Example of bad parents, and parenting.
She wasn’t a vegan 🌱. Just love the lifestyle off a traditional person. It is easier to be a Mear eater. I know meat eater have the excuse oh but tradition , vegan nuggets, burgers etc are so bad for you. Oh I work to much
Former meat, dairy and egg head here. I switched aged 40 when i realised the SUFFERING animals go through. Vegan 12 years. Best years of my life so far. When you think of the VICTIMS and not YOURSELF, it is EASY. I can't bear people who make excuses.
Well donyour home work you vegans are hypothetical, the death that goes into crops is unthinkable and vegan diet is poor so poor for your health.
I'm not making excuses, I'm making observations and I Di find that when I try to talk to ppl about how and why it's wrong, if I lose my composure they switch off?!
"it's hard wah wah wah" = "me me me" 🙄
Tit🤢milk/cheese, cancer
TiiiiitMilk/cheeseCancer%320
What is she on about? I'm a dad and was in my mid forties when I went vegan. It was a decision. That's it!!
Go get a blood test and find out what you are missing. Then find the plants that you need to balance your nutrition. That lady acts like she is a victim while ignoring the tiny things she could do to solve any deficiency she may have had. I doubt she is a healthy eater.
Or just eat meat
@@PreciousLuna1988 The entire supplement industry was created to supplement the nutritional deficiencies in flesh eaters. The most common person to have deficiencies are flesh eaters. There is nothing "precious" about somebody who is as violent as you.
@@PreciousLuna1988 The entire supplement industry was created to supplement flesh eaters. You do not have to be violent. Violence is not prescious.
@@PreciousLuna1988 Violent people are not precious. The entire supplement industry was created to supplement flesh eaters. The vast majority of people who lack nutrients are flesh eaters. Facts matter.
@@PreciousLuna1988still trolling vegan size I see. Your life must be very lonely.
The lady made it sound like you can't be Vegan if you're a parent... Vegan parents/families do exist! I'm a busy Mum to 3 children and that hasn't stopped me being Vegan, it actually gives me even more reason to be Vegan to teach my children about kindness and compassion 🥰 She also got very personal towards you making assumptions about your life... You handled it very well, keep up your amazing work Mel 🌱💚
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Only excuses. You are right Mel! 👍♥️
What excuse do you use to continue using your mobile phone ? We all have excuses yet we all support harm to animals.
@@roylewis2708is about stopping unnecessary actions that exploit or harm others.
why do we need excuses to use phones
lmao@@roylewis2708 . you NEED TO
justify eating other animals because
there is a VICTIM involved in your choice
to buy their dead carcass and excretions.
Phones aren't someones they're THINGS
and we can use THINGS - that's The point.
animals are NOT things they are BEINGS
wtf, I can't believe I have to fucking explain
this lmao. like who are you. NEVER had an
animal friend before? completely heartless?
@@VeganStonerLady So who decides what is necessary or unnecessary ? It becomes purely subjective and defining a line to stand on impossible. Talking of lines, look up the building project "The Line". When completed hundreds of thousands of migratory birds will die crashing into it. Necessary deaths so that someone has a place to live ? Reality is far more complicated than what is seen as a simple choice because all our choices have ramifications, such as using a mobile phone and supporting an industry which harms animals on many levels. Saying it is necessary is another form of excuse.
@@VeganStonerLady do you support other things that go on in the world about humans and animals iswell not just farm animals?
No, when you see and know what's happening to these innocent animals, you can change with the flick of a light switch as I did.
If it was so simple, everyone would have done it by now. The truth is not everyone can go on a vegan diet.
@@Usurpus616 It's a moral issue. If you're determined to stop something so evil, you would stop contributing to it straight away. It's easy if you care and are a good person.
@@Usurpus616 What is magical about eating innocent, defenseless animals?
@PTruth-md6xx I don't have a problem if a person wants to be vegan. Its their choice and I respect it. But don't shove your views down my throat and act like you've got the monopoly on morality. Being vegan alone doesn't make you a moral person.
@@Usurpus616 It isn't 'views' it's facts and everyone needs to know to stop this. Yes it's a moral issue. If you know and don't go vegan, you're evil. We're caring and good, you're evil.
Your work is so much appreciated. I can't imagine dealing with bullshit excuses over and over without whacking them with a stick.
Thank you for your patience.
She was a liar. She just wanted to be special and have special excuses. Well done.
I went vegan at 40 years old, now 48 .... age is no excuse
soo ?
Precisely!
Well said. I can't believe this excuse.... "maybe if I was younger." No, maybe if you had a heart.
Honestly the whole confrontation could have been avoided if you were more personal and answered her questions. She’s not going to walk away now feeling inspired to change.
It doesn’t sound like she understands nutrition which isn’t your problem, but giving her small guidances wouldn’t have hurt anything
You apologist shame on you for letting the animals down. SHE IS NOT THE VICTIM!!!!
@@Untillallarefree never said she was a victim, I said she’s not going to walk away from that conversation feeling inspired to change. All she’s going to remember is that Mel yelled at her and didn’t answer her questions
@@ReadySetSkateFilms no she will remember she was called out for her pathetic excuses, that she tried to victimise herself and that actually if she did care about the animals she would have googled her questions… she is full of 💩
@@Untillallarefree do you understand psychology? Have you read any of Dr Melanie Joy’s books?
Presumably the 'dizzy' woman has a GP, Mel mentioned Challenge 22. That woman was talking crap, excuses and thought she was the only person in the world with kids and a busy life. Mel is there for the animals not for her.
I went veggie at 50 for ethical reasons ignorant of the dairy, egg, and all the other cruel and exploiting animal industries there are, but as soon as i became aware of the cruel and barbaric animal industries there are, i became vegan at the age of 57. I am now at my fittest and healthiest at nearly 69. I was conditioned at an early age and kept ignorant for a very long time. When we know better and different we can become better and different. Thanks to the exposers and truth tellers of this world we can change this world for a better and kinder one.
The only victim she was keeping at the front of her mind ...was herself.
👍👍👍
But she's not even a victim, she's an oppressor.
Both my (ex) wife and I went vegan overnight **30** yrs ago (pre internet and barely any choice, unlike today) and we had 2 children shortly after. Neither of us have had any health issues - in fact we're both very healthy. I'm still building muscle and I'm nearly 60! It's just people lacking empathy looking for excuses for abusing and exploiting animals 💪🌱
Good for you but doesn't always work for everyone. Everyone ain't the same and bodies aren't. I am guessing you grow your own food then as you said excuses for abusing and exploiting animals at the end?
Amazing! Anyone can do it, she's a liar, manipulator, greedy and selfish with a victim complex.
Vegan 10 years former slaughterhouse inspector unfortunately prior. The odds against me. But when I learned there’s a chance I changed.
Remove the human centric view, stop using excuses, stop playing the victim card that’s gas lighting. Classic narcissism.
Live vegan!
She DOES agree with you. She is just a hypocrite and should admit it. You also should have helped her a little more with the nutrition stuff early on... would have saved a long pointless argument.
Yeah, the conversation was poorly handled and most likely pushed away a person who would have otherwise given veganism another shot.
It's not Mel's job to teach her about nutrition
@GrantH2606 Fully agree. This lady was wanting conversation. She was on a right path. She shouldn't have been spoke to like this.
I'm a parent, went vegan practically overnight after 44 years of consuming animal products. It's not that hard.
Exactly!!!!!! Me too!!! 👏🏻
Your a legend especially with kids
@@fortcastlevgn2368 how?
Me too. I’m a mother to two young kids . I transitioned into veganism 5 years ago and never looked back.
How do you know your experience is universal?
I am a long term vegan. Ive never had brain fog.
Same here. It's just a nonsense excuse. There is no valid argument against veganism.
this girl havent stop talking for 1 second and she wants a proper convo. its starts by listening
She was expecting you to be like "God bless you for 'trying' veganism for a year and all the best with raising your children" 🤣🤣🤣
Eat enough food, get enoigh protein. Not difficult, she didnt look like she needs extra protein from being an athlete
The victims-advocate actually looks like an
athlete - The lady looks nothing athletic 🤷🏻♀
let me guess 🥴it's 🥴The 🥴kid's fault🥴
@@religion-freevictims advocate? You mean the person advocating vegan propaganda?
Wow reading comments like all of you are saying about this women just because she has an apion is disgusting. But I am not suprise because this is how vegans react to people trying to attack the person by trying to insult them. Well done to you all sad really you all are
Wow these comments are reason why I am glad I ain't a vegan disgusting the lot of you are attacking someone but hey no suprise
@@religion-free glad I ain't you
Way to keep the focus on animal's lives, so sick of the excuses. And call bullshit on being vegan for a year.
Interesting how she says she’s an educator but isn’t willing to educate herself more on how to be healthy. Dairy causes a lot of health issues, so I wouldn’t doubt that’s where some of her health issues probably stem from, because they did for me. Her excuses are most likely a matter of her not wanting to change because of taste and convenience like most people. Good for you though Mel for holding her accountable.
Exactly everything you said. Agree!
Mel lacks empathy how dare she shout at her like that shes supposed to be helping her if you want us to become vegan help us if you care so much that we go vegan not shout at us that kind of behaviour does not make me want to go vegan it makes me want to eat meat more
@nickda1 go watch dominion on UA-cam
@@nickda1 Mel lacks empathy, "What" if you've watch the video from the beginning, you'll find they both were having a civil conversation, This women was coming with all the excuses she could think of, to ex-cuse her reasons for going back on dairy after she says she was vegan for a year 🤔... Mel asked her what she was lacking that she can't get from plants. She could not answer. Mel then slightly raised her tone ..not so to affend but to clarify the cruelty she's paying for in her laziness to research a healthy vegan diet. Mel offered her a card where she could get help and advice but she then kept talking over mel and repeating that the vegan option does not work for her. This is a lame excuse from a grown women and she says she's a educator!😲 .. so I think she needs to start with herself. Mel is very passionate about her activisem and from what I've seen of majority of her and Steve's videos there always calm and polite to people they speak to. You say if we vegans want you meat eating people to be vegan we should talk nicely. Then you meat eating people should also stop being aggressive and rude towards vegans. Your an adult I think? Then watch Pignorant on Prime and Dominion on UA-cam and educate yourself! Mel and all vegan activist should not need to educate grown adults.Mel & Steve are out to help animals not solve adults problems stop making vegans out to be wrong!
@@harjicoren7628 was i aggressive? i dont have an aggressive bone in my body dont get me wrong i usually like Mels approach but i didnt in this one and her latest video the one where she was in M&s i defended her after she was attacked you all have your views and i respect them
She needs more strength in her convictions.
Vegan overnight, two and a half years ago! Propyl think it’s hard. What’s hard about leaving cruelty off your plate?!!! Good job Mel!!! 🙌🏻
"the whole world has to change first, only then will I be able to be vegan." 🤡🤡🤡 This woman never put in the effort, it is NOT hard to be vegan. Can't believe she blames her kids. Kids should be even more reason to be vegan and not a mother teaching her kids actively funding animal abuse is fine. Kids should inspire you even more to be kind to those who are weak and defenseless. Kids should inspire you to be stewards and not tyrants to animals and the natural world. It's your duty and obligation to the animals AND to your kids!
Lol your funny
IKR?!? Disgusting. The fact
that Vegans EXIST not even
to mention win bodybuilding
contests, races and triathlons
debunks this to its face, and
having children LEAD Veganism
in many households, not even to
mention Vegan parents EXIST is
enough to shut her selfish face
Lazzzzy and self serving. The worst of humanity to know and still choose to partake.
Forcing your kids to be vegan is child abuse. Parents have been put in prison for forcing their kids to be vegan.
Why aren't my replies appearing?
This woman was, of course, most likely making excuses. That said, one thing, Mel, that I would've responded when she mentioned the bit about her being a mum and getting up at 5am, etc. is that there are vegan mums with that exact life. She was making it seem as if vegans aren't just normal, busy people like her, with kids, who work 60-hour weeks, who have jobs that require travel, who have 15 animals in their care, who hardly have time to scratch their a***.
It'd have been good to see how she'd have responded if you'd had said that there were busy mums present there at the event, which of course there will have been.
Good job anyhow!
only Americans don't have time to scratch
their ass, and think this is okay for middle
class. or first world! second or third world
all have time to sleep and party AND make
enough to live comfortably. this is sO wrong
Big shout out to you, vegan mama. Love vegan mums! 👏👊👊
OMG -- I love you -- thank-you for standing your ground and being an inspiration!
There are many vegans who have children, work long hours etc. Excuse after excuse. Well done Mel
This lady wants to have A Meal plan handed to her. She wants all the answers handed to her. She’s expecting OTHERS to educate her.
It wouldn't matter how much education was handed to her on a gold plated platter, there will always be a reason why she can't do it being thrown back. It's not about the lack of education, it's simply that she doesn't want to make the change enough to take responsibility for it
It just shows veganism isn’t as practical and easy as so many people say, you have to sacrifice a lot. It’s basically a religion, so if you can’t commit then you need let it go we all have lots of problems veganism just ain’t worth the risk to a persons comfort.
@@keithmutamba1395 says the person who isn’t putting themselves in the animal’s place.
Great job, Mel!! Bravo!! She’s is not the victim here. Typical selfish and self centered vegetarian, “ex-vegan”. Making excuses. Great job holding her accountable. 👏🏼👏🏼
That's why it's better to be selfish and not care at all.
In this way, no one has anything to criticize you for, because you don't care.
@@andreiandrei2826 what you just described is a psychopath.
@@Chiquitavegana2007 do you have a degree in psychiatry? I'm guessing not so you are not qualified to make a diagnosis on a person's mental state.
Mel & Steve out there advocating for Veganism and animal rights, doing more than most people. Don't let someone else tell you that you are doing this for selfish reasons. That lady was cringe.
She’s making excuses.. it’s not difficult to go Vegan. Let the children know what they’re eating. They would choose not to eat the animals. 🌱 leave the animals alone.
On average, most people are getting twice as much protein and only half as much fiber that we need.
Been vegan 20 yrs & haven't been to a doctor since.
#Vegan4Life💚🌱
All that proves is that you refuse to go to a doctor.
@@logicalanswer3529if you’re not ill, why go to a doctor? I’ve been vegan for 17 years and haven’t eaten animals for 20. I haven’t even had a cold since 2003.
@@mildredhubble6848 Do you have two accounts?
@@mildredhubble6848 good for you and the carnivores say the same. How can we know you are telling the truth lol
@@AdamJohnsey look into science I guess ? And stop following animal abusers. If you will keep thinking of dead animal body parts as food you will just confuse yourself and others. And btw fqk these so called "carnivores" .
Plenty of vegan parents around. I became vegan 30 years ago and it was not difficult for me then. Many others became vegan historically, long before the name existed. The vegan society was founded in 1944 during rationing. This lady is pretty defensive and entrenched.
Dizziness needs to be looked into. Did her doctor mislead her? Health professionals get virtually no training re nutrition (ex nurse and midwife here).
I feel like she was just looking for you to validate her decision to give up veganism, and got upset because you were real with her and didn't tell her what she wanted to hear.
Totally agree 🌱
I think she is very emotionally dependent on getting confirmation that her excuses to abuse animals were reasonable justifications for supporting animal abuse. Unfortunately they were not and you were not comfortable lying to her and pretending like they were. Good conversation, you didn't deserve such heat.
i have a child and weve been vegan for 6 years, shes now 9- sorry what exactly is so strenuous about cutting out pus, blood and flesh from your diet?
Well done Mel, Agree with everything you said, She was a out right hypocrite! She was using her kids has a excuse...Keep up the great work 👊💚both you and Steve are great at what you are doing speaking up for the innocent animals.Dont change a thing the way you put your activisem across🤛 Been vegan 10yrs now and going strong Love you both.
Thank you so much
Your words means a lot to us both thank you 🙏 wow 10 years that’s awesome! 💚💚
@@Itsmelandsteve Thank you for your reply .. I keep up with all yours and Steve's videos, don't change a thing about the way you both do your activisem. These people are all followers not leaders that's why they say the same words and use all the same excuses . I'm a leader. When I made the decision to become vegan when I listen to Gary's speech I got educated it was a big eye opener. My heart sank at the disgusting industries😤🤬
Thinks she's the only one that's raised children. Well done Mel, she deserved no quarter. She is not the victim
The thing is, every thing Mel said was correct, yet when dealing with certain people, to get the desired result it is better to use other strategies rather than pure reason.
agreed@@OmegaPointZen . what
would you have used? I think Mel
was just too disgusted. And I don't
blame her one iota. suggestions?
@religion-free in my opinion, I think the conversation started great. This lady wanted some reassurance that the journey she was on was a great one, that you can always find a health solution with the right balance vegan diet and encouraged to keep going. Some gentle nudging and reinforcement of her credit would have been the icing on the cake. I could see the point where Mel had lost this lady, when Mel started talking over the lady and raising her voice, then implying she had no excuse to not be vegan was not helpful. We cannot force people into something by acting like we are better and they are bad. It will never work. Be humble.
@@lifeontheround implying?!?
she outright said it and it is
true. there is nO excuse. go
figure out your health issues.
leave other animals out of it
@religion-free it is true but just because it is, doesn't mean you can't show kindness and guidance. It's true when people say vegans are angry. I've never known such an angry, narrow minded bunch.
What a painful list of excuses to listen to. If she found it so easy to fail then she really wasn’t onboard in the first place.
Completely agree 🌱
I'd say I'd like to know who she is so I could shame her on her own page. But that would be petty and give her more for the algorithm to direct traffic her way.
The fact that she was already vegan and gave it up then decided to engage you, she deserves no less considering she knows the harm she's inflicting. She was wasting your time.
The first thing that would come up on a search engine when saying "I'm passing out on a vegan diet, what can I do" would be,
make sure you're eating enough both in quantity and variety because it sounds like you're starving yourself.
This is why vegans get a bad name
Wtf? 😂 Did you not see the way that non vegan woman was behaving? We meet people where they’re at. She was making excuses and then acted like Mel was there for life advice. We travel a long sometimes to raise awareness about what’s happening to the animals and we do it for them, not to give therapy to people who are making excuses for paying for animal abuse.
she wasn't making excuses. She was giving legitimate reasons for not being vegan. Learn to have empathy.
@@MasterMoron ‘The slave owner wasn’t giving excuses about why it’s difficult for him to liberate his slaves. He was giving legitimate reasons, learn to have empathy.’
@@Imcarolinekbut, the person in the video isn't doing anything to the animals themselves. That's like blaming people who bought cotton clothing for the slaves that picked the cotton.
@@MasterMoron The only reason why these industries exist is because of the consumer. When you pay for an animal product you have a role to play in everything that happened to that individual in their life. The only reason why the animals are enslaved, tortured and eventually violently murdered is because there’s a consumer demand for their flesh and secretions. The consumer has a level of accountability and a role to play in the suffering of these animals, which is why we go out with screens showing people what they’re paying for.
I think a better response to her health concerns would have been to ask her what kinds of foods she was eating when she was vegan. Wholefoods or Junk foods? Does she know where to get vegan protein sources? Was she taking a supplement? Was it just for B12 or was it a multivitamin supplement that covers an array of nutrients?
When she brings up a concern such as dizziness and you respond with something along the lines of "So what if you're dizzy? It's worse for the animals." it comes across as though dizziness is a normal and accepted thing for vegans, and its just something you deal with in exchange for not hurting animals. Assuring her that with some research and knowhow she can avoid dizziness and maintain a vegan diet would've gone a long way.
Was she using her kids as a get out of jail free card? I suppose it's possible, but I always think we should assume the best in people, unless they're just trolling. I didn't get that impression from her to be honest.
Na not at all!! She is a grown capable women who is clearly intelligent enough to be able to research into dizziness rather than go back to consuming cheese, dairy and eggs. She’s don’t this for taste pleasure and then tried to make up some BS to justify it!
Mel done great at keeping the focus where it should be on the animals! Don’t be an apologist vegan and don’t fall for people like her when they are victimising themselves!!
@@Untillallarefree I'm literally not being an apologist, if you want to counter what she said about dizziness in the best way possible then those are the points you need to raise. All I'm recommending here is more tactfulness.
Check out Clif Grant if you want a great example of an activist who is happy to calm peoples concerns about putting veganism into practice whilst still being firm on the fact that not being vegan is not okay.
@@Argon-Matt she’s got Google…… if she was genuine she would have worked out her dizziness herself. Don’t waste time on convincing people HOW they can be vegan stay focused on WHY and then they will go vegan and stay vegan…. She fell away from being vegan because her WHY wasn’t in place
Mel, you did fantastic holding that woman accountable. You just said the facts and were so clear. You even repeated back to her that you heard her make the excuse over and over and over again that she "gets dizzy" and never backed up what was causing her dizziness. Not that it mattered as you made clear, not your problem to figure out the 'HOW', it's the 'WHY' that matters. Well done 👏 🔥🔥🔥
Go Vegan for the animals if you aren't already. The animals don't need your excuses. They need your actions to stop exploiting them. 🌱
She did an atrocious job. I'm a Joey Carbstrong fan, so I'm not someone who opposes being combative, but Mel actually treated this woman in a cruel manner. She literally tried to publicly humiliate her at the end, which is something I've never seen an activist do to someone...I can almost guarantee that she will never go vegan.
All that this video has achieved is to give some vegans a dopamine hit; any non vegan who sees it will be appalled, and extremely put off veganism. You should at least be honest with yourself about that.
Mel may have done an atrocious "job"
to get this lady to go@@mmhmm9271
Vegan again but since that's NOT her
job, and she's here for The animals not
to pander to hypocrites, she did okay 👍🏼
@@mmhmm9271 Mel was so amazing that I was inspired to actually talk to my family about veganism. Mel is a rock star ❤️♥️❤️♥️❤️♥️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@VeganStonerLady I'm glad you feel confident talking to your family about it, and yes, she's usually very good. But in this video, she is clearly nothing more than a bully who's pushing someone away from veganism.
@@mmhmm9271talking to someone isn’t cruel 🤦🏻♀️. That fat woman is torturing and murdering animals. Have some perspective.
I’ve been vegan since 1982 , it was a lot harder then! , my daughter has been vegan all her life since 1989, neither of us have any health problems, it gets easier and easier all the time to be vegan,so many more people know about the health benefits of being vegan and the cruelty in animal farming, but the animal suffering keeps getting worse
I respect people like you sooooo much. Leader! Not a follower.
❤
So theres an after video with Joey Carbstrong with this same woman. I came across Joey's video first and now I've watched this one. This lady gave Mel a really hard time. Mel isn't a nutritionist or a doctor who can do blood tests, which is clearly what this lady needs. Lifestyle factors can also affect how we feel and is wrongly blamed on a plant-based diet. So many factors can be at play and this lady just kept victimising herself. Check out the video with Joey because the lady appeared to calm down and reflect more on her actions ✌🏼
Yeah the one with Joey is better.
The blonde with the mic is abrasive just to be abrasive.
She'll probably chalk it up to "being passionate!" and the sheeple will agree.
Typical.
Mel looks the picture of health. The other woman doesn’t. Her health argument is nonsense and using her motherhood as an excuse is just plain ridiculous.
Exactly what I thought, Agree.
Vegetarians....say no more .
Cognitive dissonance and defence mechanism . They don't want to accept that they've still contributing to animal cruelty and exploitation, ok some lack the appropriate info , i know because i was once a vegetarian .
Becoming vegan was one of the best things i've done , 9 years now .
I would suggest that lady to talk with a doctor/nutritionist that how can she have a healthy balanced diet without suggesting her a lot of supplements and maybe give her a meal plan or something, and she could check her blood test every 6 months maybe to see if everything is in check and have B12 supplemented once every week or so, every vegan doesn't need to do this because this is a lot but since her health detroiting she prolly need to do this all and do challenge 22 where she can more info. Follow vegan food pages and look for vegan recipes and watch vegan health documentaries especially Game Changers. Then she'll be good. We don't need dairy we need calcium and plants have calcium. She needs to educate herself more on nutrition and then it'll be easier for her to be a forever vegan.
Most doctors don't know anything about nutrition
why do vegans always give such advice? why do you assume she hasn't already consulted a doctor or nutritionist?
@@v.a.n.e.because if she did see a nutritionist she would have said that or indicated it to try to make her view plausible.
@@Rescue127 not necessarily, as the conversation didn't go in that direction, thanks to Mel, in large part. she did, however, repeatedly underline her desire to remain vegan, but she didn't succeed in that. perhaps it included consultations as well.
@@v.a.n.e. for as much as that woman raised her voice to Mel she could have gotten that information in there.
This woman has watched videos of the cruelty that goes on in this industry 🫤 If she'd put the energy she had arguing with you, and making excuses for why she's not vegan now, into getting the advice she needed back then...🤔...
I don't think she cares enough. I admire and understand your passion for the animals, although I got a bit dizzy watching 😵💫... 🌱🕊💚💪
So she needs cheese and eggs, the unhealthiest "foods" out there to be healthy and have no brain fog. And she doesn't realize, it's just excuses. Too sad to be funny I guess...
How are cheese and eggs unhealthy. Lmfao
@@PreciousLuna1988I would say most meats are worse but they aren’t great. Cheese is bad for cholesterol and it’s illegal for eggs to be advertised as healthy
@@PreciousLuna1988still trolling vegan sites I see again. Do you not have anything better to do?
You don't need an excuse to eat eggs and cheese.
@@MasterMoron then why do you feel the need to tell us this? If you truly felt what you were doing was right then you wouldn't need to be on a vegan platform. It makes me wonder what your true motivation is. The bottom line is meat and dairy products are not necessary to survive. If it's not necessary to kill animals then why do people still do it? Eating plant-based food only is a win-win for the animals the planet and our health.
Great video! So good to see an activist not being apologetic and holding these excusetarians that make themselves out to be the victim accountable 🙏🏼🌱👊🏼💚
Some of the excuses she uses here:
Claim: "My health was bad as a vegan" Response: Unless you can name what was wrong with your health, and how it applied to a vegan diet, I call BS on this point. I don't blindly trust people making statements that go against peer reviewed research. I mean, come on! Cheese was the missing corner stone in the diet? What exactly was the magical ingredient in cheese that saved your health?
Claim: "I was dizzy when I was vegan" Response: More calories could be what's needed. I get dizzy when I eat too few calories. Eating more fatty foods does the trick of stopping dizziness, and that fatty food surely doesn't have to be cheese.
Claim: "It was difficult to get protein" Response: No, it's not, even if you aim at very high levels. When I went vegan I was worried, so I counted, and I ate 140 grams a day, as a new vegan, without the knowledge and without trying. Today I consume 160 grams, because I'm currently weighing 95 kgs, building muscles for the summer season.
Claim: "It's hard being vegan as a parent" Response: Who makes the rules in your house? Parents sometimes need to set up boundaries. And in this particular case you could always discuss this with your children and tell them about food production. Many children are less indoctrinated by meat industry propaganda than their parents, so by telling or showing them about the horrors of animal agriculture, maybe they're all for eating vegan.
Claim: "Vegan (processed) food is unhealthy" Response: Compared to what? The Beyond Burger is more heart healthy than beef burger made from grass fed cows. Stop parroting BS from the Joe Rogan podcast and read the science! Some vegan products are really new, so more research is needed, but the research that has been done seem to be in favor of the vegan foods. And I know that Chris Gardner who conducted the study to compare beyond meat to beef burger also said that they used the absolute healthiest beef meat they could find on the market.
Claim: "it's really difficult to eat balanced as a vegan." Response: No, it isn't. And most people aren't even health conscious as meat eaters, and eat all kinds of crap, yet no one ever talks about health problems. But all of a sudden, as fiber, fruits, veggies and micronutrients increase, then all of a sudden people claim to have these very abstract symptoms that could potentially be nocebo or come from literally anything, or even be psychosomatic.
Well said and explained 👏👏 Very intelligent answer, response 👌
Go to a doctor if you feel dizzy, do some bloodwork, consult a nutritionist, google it, talk to other vegans, don't just go directly to abusing animals.. like what?!
From the start.. you were honest, direct and straight forward about the consequences of her choices. She took it personally and started victimising herself.. Ugh..
Agree. Has Mel kept telling. Selfish, excuses, excuses. Me, me, me.
Ask yourself, if you were in the gas chambers, would you want me to hand out leaflets educating people? This woman doesn't get the seriousness of the situation.
"health", "I've got kids", "it's so difficult" etc... excuses.... Animals are being gassed, stabbed etc!
If she so strongly disagrees with animal oppression/murder industries, why find all these excuses to support them?... I think she thinks that she's NOT doing that, purely because she's already given herself the label of "vegan"...
Unfortunately, she clashed with you Mel. It's not your fault. You set up her conversation with Joey, really well, even if she thought otherwise!
The dizzy lady feels like this is clickbait because she's challanged on her lip service. Gimme a break! Either she cares about these animals or she doesn't, can't have it both ways.
For F sakes, I'm the victim blah blah blah, it's all about me. Why not be honest and say that you can't be bothered, it's all bs excuses
Malzoan: Fallacy, is countered with logic & reason & emotion & responsibilty, pivots to another fallacy, countered, pivots. Where's the logical fallacy checklist? That poor lady is drowning in cognitive dissonance & poor animals that are from the ripple effects from refusing to just choose something else & given free resources. Everyone else's responsibilty but the one causing unnecassary harm.
This video is amazing you did so well & didn't give her an excuse for abuse! When she resulted to Ad Hominems it was over. Then it resulted into 'white lady tears' & that Malzoan is seeking things to please themselves & you didn't give them something pleasing that isn't pleasing. always the victim.❤ I hope she changes for the better & embraces empathy so the animal's lives can change for the better too! 💚🌱💚
I hope more people see this so they can see what they defend when they can't see past their noses & those that have started introspecting can relate to those fallacious arguments & see right through it all! Free resources for information, facts - not fallacies, lower cost for plant based diet, affordablility, steps in switching one thing for another.
No excuse for abuse ❤ I'm Autistic, disabled, very low income/disability, dyslexic, ADHD, celiac, & other things so with it I have chronic pain issues, texture issues, change issues, time management issues, reading ingredients issues, everything has to be gluten-free like people have to be aware of peanuts or other auto-immune/allergy issues, money issues, IBS, IBD, malabsorbtion issues, etc... etc... etc... Even things actually out of my control I can speak up about a vegan option & even if they didn't know before they now know they can do it cruelty free... I don't forget the victim of my choices. I'm not dying. I am in a state of survival, but not in a survival state. I still don't have an excuse not to be vegan. & added bounus, I'm happier & healthier, mentally, emotionally & physically, than I've ever been & ever thought possible, especially with all my chronic issues! 💚🌱💚
I get so annoyed by people who just want validation from a vegan that it's "difficult" to be vegan in order to justify them NOT being vegan. Respect to Mel for not giving that validation. First the person says it's difficult to be vegan and then says you eat too many processed (i.e. CONVENIENT) foods as a vegan. Which one is it?????
Not just excuse, excuse, excuse about why she refuses to go veg💚n. It's also yawn, yawn, yawn. I'm sick and tired of hearing about how hard it is to have kids. Kids are a lifestyle choice, they don't just happen to you. If it's so hard being a parent, don't breed. It's that simple. Just because you have working reproductive organs, it's not compulsory to use them. The world is overpopulated with people.
Great answer. Agree!
Humans make so many excuses to justify eating animals I had been vegatarian for 40 years vegan 5 years now never ate healthy never had health problems I'm fit work out every day I do now eat healthy there is no excuse for eating animals vegan for the animals 🔥💯👍
Great work, Mel! Strong and firm advocacy! 🌱
i dont think you handled this situation well. You were unnecessarily combative. You missed an opportunity to offer her strategies to pick up vegan strategies.
she doesn't deserve it.
she can be respectful
to get strategies, not
be demanding not to
mention insulting AF
@@religion-free open your eyes for once
@@religion-free I think your response compliments the same error in the video. She doesn’t deserve to have strategies as to how to go vegan explained to her? Really? Ok even if she doesn’t deserve it, perhaps the animals might deserve it? The animals which she might not eat if some practical strategies are offered? She might not go 100% vegan but she might try a strategy if it is explained clearly. Just saying “Challenge 22” isn’t explaining a strategy. That’s nothing to someone who isn’t knowledgeable already.
@@jackmichaelpeter Mel GAVE HER
CHALLENGE 22 already. she is trying
to use Mel as a FREE dietician and/or
nutritionist. she's a FREELOADER and
you're feeding her entitlement mentality.
sO you're going to strip animals of their
very souls unless Mel gives you what you
demand? you're BULLIES. Disgusting 🤮
disgusting.@@fagelsinnet
it means you identify with
The excuse-making Carnist
instead of The Vegan. You
are a future ex-Vegan if not
still a Carnist right now 👎🏼
I would like to live in a vegan world but kind of agree with the other woman in the sense that you were too combative. I would have liked to hear more about what she had to say and see if you could find ways to persuade her to be more vigilant. Yet you just started yelling she was an animal abuser and baby killer when she already told you she’s vegetarian, doesn’t buy milk, and was full vegan for a year. Meanwhile 95% of the people walking by are full on meat eaters. Still, you choose to grill and shame the one person who was sympathetic to the cause and wanted to stop and talk to you. I know you’re trying to get content to spread a message for the greater good but this was poorly executed. Unless it’s a skit then bravo. You fooled me. Although it still may be counterproductive.
100% agree with you. Mel is giving Vegans a bad name and needs to learn how to do her job. She could learn something from Joey Carbstrong, he's great with people and meeting them where they're at.
This is the best comment I have seen well said. I think you are right I think they attack people to much when they have an opinion. This is one of reasons people get put off by becoming vegan. Well said and a comment that isn't insulting the other women either as seen so many
@blackdovejanuarygrl Joey's getting more and more aggressive I've noticed. He got so triggered he threatened to punch a man in the face. I dont think he's completely left his former life behind.
@@Usurpus616 joey will never leave where he was. Be funny if I talked to him and these people that follow him
@@blackdovejanuarygrlPeople should look to Ed Winters or Clif Grant for how to have vegan discussions with the public.
I support every video you have put up before this, this isn’t effective. This is creating devision. I think there could have been a better conversation had for the animals 🌱🙏🏼
I agree
Purely selfish. Well done Mel. You did well 👏
Part of me wanted to sympathize with her, just because I myself am not a parent and know I could never possibly handle it. Kudos to people who can do it at all, vegan or not, without messing up their kids in the process. It seems like the issue is just patching up any holes in nutrition that might cause a problem right?
I'm poor AF, but canned veggies & soups seem to get me through well enough. Sometimes I make the rookie mistake of not balancing it and the hunger hits like a truck lol.
She said you are the reason why she's dizzy and you don't care about humas..🤔 She is the reason I'm depressed because she is paying for innocent animals to be abused and killed..She doesn't care about animals and human beings.. And then at the end she's trying to be the victim.. Is it's so hard to not abuse animals.. Please There's No Excuse For Animal Abuse. 🙏
She's the reason you are depressed. Why wonder your depressed with such a stupid assumption
that's why! it's disgusting!
she's disgusting 🤢🤮😷
She healed her health issues and protein deficiency with cheese only? What vitamins did she find in cheese? And how much cheese she eats daily just for protein? There is a certain point that too much cheese is simply unhealthy...
Thanks Mel, I love your ‘I’m dizzy unless I eat your children?! comeback.
Why doesn't she feed her kids enough that they have to get up at 5.30 for something to eat? Mine never did. Change your routine silly woman.
You should have asked if her iced latte had cows milk in it. Her response probably would have been "I was dizzy"
Joey Carbstrong did a follow-on conversation after this one, she told him it was soy in her drink.
Ooooo I have never seen Mel get HEATED. Lets GOOOOOOO! 🔥 🍿
Also, why blur her face out of all the people you guys interview?
yes let us see its ("her" 🙄) face.
and Mel kept The microphone on
it, er, "her". waY TOO kind! it oop
"she" kept cutting Mel off! & Mel
was being ATTACKED. If I'd been
there I woulda protected Mel waY
better than what had been done.
Be careful out there Vegans xoxo
When she kept saying she gets dizzy or her health was poor I would have just said eat healthier vegan food. What an excuse she was making
Not everyone can do veganism. You know this, everyone knows this. Stop lying to yourself
you are making excuses
to abuse@@asdf1991asdf
animals you disgustingO
There’s thousands of vegan parents, this woman is using excuses cause she doesn’t understand nutrition
Poor excuses
Great job Mel on making this woman accountable. This woman was what they would call a book of excuses. After I seen the images I have seen about what these meat and dairy Industries do to animals was enough to convince me so I can't imagine somebody seeing these documentaries and not feeling anything. If anything people should be angry at the meat and dairy Industries for all the lies they told about how we have to eat meat to survive because it's not true. Shame on those Industries and I hope someday they will be held accountable for their actions.
You don't need an excuse for eating animal eggs and cheese.
Yes, maybe after this conversation she will understand that you don't need an excuse to eat meat. You simply do it.
@@andreiandrei2826 or she may realize that people like you are steering her the wrong way and that going plant-based eating is the best way to go for the animals the planet and her health.
@@Rescue127 You can be healthy and also eat meat
@@Rescue127 And i am not teling her to do anything, just that she can do it
This is a perfect example of what I’ve been saying in comments on this channel, is since the JC ‘celebrity’ worship came along the outreach has become combative!. Mel & Steve you were much better animal advocate outreach activists before this Pignorant pushing thing started. You would of been much more understanding & not judgemental towards that woman before! 🌻🌎✊🏽
I love how she try to be nice at the start and then really goes in on her when the women has an opinion. This is what happens when you hang around with Joey to much but hey all of them turn out like that at the end
This was a great example of dynamic activism being able to go hard when you come across animal abuser like her! GREAT JOB MEL!! 💚🌱
@@Untillallarefree lol
@AdamJohnsey Yeah I noticed that as well. They're definitely two of Armstrong's top minions. Them and David Ramms.
@@Untillallarefree ‘’Dynamic’’ in pushing a person away and making sure not to engage with them in a constructive way, previous Mel would have had a much more positive effect with that woman!. 🌻🌎✊🏽
Arguing with vegans is similar to arguing with a trans person who believes a man can be a woman. They attempt to change facts to suit their rhetoric.
Wow Mel!!!!
So sorry you had to have that 'to and fro' (I can't call it an adult conversation) with her.
It's such a shame that like so many others, her cognitive dissonance and emotional hypocrisy are clearly winning out over her underlying moral values.
But the good thing about this video is it so clearly gets to the real crux of the matter.
Every time you pointed to the screens and said "IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU FEELING DIZZY, IT'S ABOUT THEM BEING MURDERED IN GAS CHAMBERS" you were very clearly voicing the unarguable reasoning behind veganism/sentientism.
All sentient beings deserve basic negative rights.
And you and Steve are doing such a wonderful job of offering that truth to people.
I was a mentor for Challenge 22 for a while, so I know they would try to help her, and they have qualified dietitians who could talk with her about her dizziness and help her find possible solutions to the cause of those.
I can't thank you enough for what you are doing.
Know that you are greatly valued.
She's a bully and it's people like her that turn people away from veganism
Its interesting she didnt run away so she could try to make mel understand her point so she can then move on and feel better that she confronted vegans about why she isn't vegan. Fairplay Mel, didn't let her have that haha
When people mention protein as an issue, you know they didn't know how to eat properly... (Unless they have a medical condition etc.)
Amazing response! Don't fall for their mental gymnastics when you only have so much time to be talking to someone who actually cares
Excuses on excuse 😮😮😮 pathetic...
I’m a father of two sons and was 48 when I when I became vegan.
Protein is overrated
Vegan parents exist lady. Vegan for life. ❤
Watched mels brilliant video again! This women is just a she's complete joke.Wow! the endless excuses she's making! ..MEL I AGREE WITH THE WAY YOU HANDLED HER👊👏👏👏👏👏 But now I'm very worried did she say she's a educator! 🥺😱 Plus now we have another innocent child brought in with ignorance by a mother who can't educate her self. This is very worrying. All these dare i say it, ''Mothers'' now and fathers in todays to these poor innocent young children brought in to the world through ignorance first of all to immature parents who don't want to grow up. And sadly there are so many. Im a vegan mother,..when you choose to become a mother you also become a teacher at the same time. For your child to be healthy in mind and body it's a parents responsibility to feed them with lovely prepared nutritious meal, you make time! Its a sacrifice you take. A good parent makes time to cook for there child. She says she a single parent, So! You choose to be one. Now 😳 so what's the next excuse! There's a lot of brilliant vegan mums out there who work very hard to take care of more then one child and don't use there children for an excuse because they can't do something! Be a women! Animal mothers could also teach you a thing about parenting! ..Mel when you ever do become a mum, Your going to be great parent! 😇🥰
2 working parents,2 kids house hold , went vegan over night , no problems , whole family doing great with it
🙏🏼🌱💚 So good to hear!!
This is impossible to listen to when they keep talking at the same time! Then they start rushing to get a word in edgewise and they don’t even have time to think
Nice work Mel, she wanted you to pat her on the back and tell her how good she was for being vegetarian but you didn’t!
Wow. Super reactionary and insecure attitude from pretty much the outset, just arguing with you for not just accepting her excuses, then accusing you of attacking her when you raise your voice to her level. If she'd felt dizzy after cutting humans out of her diet, she'd look into how to get the nutrients she was missing from plants and supplements. 'Veganism makes me ill' is an excuse that belongs back in 2005; we know better than to fall for that now. Just be honest and say you can't be bothered to look into it.
I don't think this is the right strategy to deal with the public. I would sooner build a rapport, discuss her health issues, get Steve, because of his size, to go into details concerning her protein concerns, then move onto Animal Rights.
yeh her guy coulda been
waY more helpful here...
it is as if she has nO guy
I know many vegan parents with vegan kids, what is Ms Dizzy on about?
Same! What the hell is she going on about🥱🤯 she's making me dizzy 😵 listening to her. I'm so worried about these kind of women has parents for the future 🤯🥺
People stumble, seemed like she was on that path though had issues. Her health is the most important to her and most of us. Not many would risk it for others, she is at least vegetarian, though never good enough. Though I imagine being so passionate about a subject in a world that has no interest in Changing is quite frustrating.
nOpe it's fine.
@@religion-free glad to hear it, if you are happy in your life thats all that matters.
I am@@TheShockedboy happy
to not fucking murder animals
thanks. bc I'm nO cruel psycho
So was she saying the little bit of dairy she was eating was the difference between having and not having dizziness and brain fog.
I find that highly implausible, I can't think of any thing in dairy in a sufficient quantity that can't be easily obtained on a vegan diet.
And yet former vegans report similar stories whenever they start eating animal products again. They can't all be lying.
@@MasterMoron Well, it depends on their particular anecdote and its plausibility. But it's not just a matter of lying; people can simply be mistaken.
Humans are prone to confusing correlation with causation. Consider how many things can cause one to feel non-specific symptoms such as dizziness, brain fog, or fatigue - from transient lifestyle factors to sleep disturbances, viruses, or stress/mental health issues.
When such symptoms occur what many people then do is jump to something that is different or prominent in the psyche and assume it's the cause.
Consider how many people exclaim they feel better after their first meal following a return to an old diet, as if a single meal has the ability to fix nutritional deficiencies or allow time to recover from allergies or intolerances.
@@darryldempsey7273the fact that a single meal makes them feel better makes it that much clearer that the lack of that item was the reason for their health problems.
@@MasterMoron It depends on what kind of former Vegans, most of the ones I've seen were "Raw Food Vegans", on a calorie restricted diet, which they abandon, go nback to animal products, and blame Veganism for their health issues.
@@OmegaPointZenthat's because nothing is good enough for vegans. Hell, the woman on the video is a vegetarian and the vegan is still attacking her. Even being vegan isn't enough for some vegans and people feel compelled to become raw vegans or fruitarians. It's better just to not listen to vegan propaganda and eat what's healthy.
Mel I believe you handled this person perfectly. There was nothing you could say that she wouldn't have an excuse or a what about this response.
Lol
AWESOME VIDEO!!!! 💪🏽🌱💪🏽👊🏼
Agree! I loved Mels every fire back with this women every excuse to keep abusing animals for her selfish ignorant and using her kids has her reasons. Example of bad parents, and parenting.
Thanks!
Thank you so much that’s really kind of you 💚💚
She wasn’t a vegan 🌱. Just love the lifestyle off a traditional person. It is easier to be a Mear eater. I know meat eater have the excuse oh but tradition , vegan nuggets, burgers etc are so bad for you. Oh I work to much